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SUNDAY AM: This weekend's movie gross showed that Hollywood couldn't revive the slumping box office during spring break even though 30% of students are out of school. No. 1 is Sony Pictures's PG-rated based-on-a-true-story 21, which opened to a solid $8.6 million Friday and $9.6 million Saturday from 2,648 theaters. With Sunday estimates, that makes a better than expected $23.7M for the moderately budgeted pic (sources tell me it cost $35M). The casino card-counting caper suddenly came on strong tracking-wise these past two weeks to surprise everyone but the studio execs. A shocker was how weak the reviews were: only 22% positive among top critics on Rotten Tomatoes. But audiences craved the escapism. As a rival marketer gushed to me, "It is wish fulfilment in the truest sense of the phrase, this notion of a real person being able to beat the system, get the girl and live the life. The pic tapped into that really nicely." I'm told the audience was broad based, drawing from all 4 quadrants -- older and younger men and women, with 53% male and 47% female with 53% under the age of 25.
In its 3rd weekend in release, Fox's Horton Hears A Who! continued playing strong in 3,826 dates for $5.2 million Friday and $7.3 million thanks to Saturday kiddie matinees to surge well past the all-important $100 million mark. It's new cume is $117.2M after this weekend's extra $17.4M because there was little else at the cineplex aimed at tots.
In 3rd place is The Weinstein Co's Dimension/MGM spoof Superhero Movie which was a superdud. Despite playing wide in 2,960 venues, the newcomer finished Friday virtually stillborn with only $3.4 million and Saturday with $3.8 million. That meant a $9.5 million weekend which is 33% less than its studios were hoping and the experts were predicting. Frankly, it's unthinkable since this pic had a big 75% awareness equally divided among males and females. Gee, Bob Weinstein's Dimension banner used to be the best at making this genre of light satires when it was based at Disney. But maybe audiences are tired of seeing the same old shtick. However, some analysts astutely foresaw a problem with Superhero going after the same PG-13 audience as 21. A Superhero insider told me over the weekend: "We played young because of Drake Bell. 
We were doing well during the day but fell off at night. 21 ended up with the audience we needed. It seems they got the teens and did better than expected with them."
No. 4 was Tyler Perry's Meet The Browns which scored $7.7M this weekend from 2,016 runs for Lionsgate starting its 2nd week in release. Its new cume is $32.8M. Two holdovers, Paramount's Drillbit Taylor (3,061 dates) and Fox's Shutter (2,756 plays) duked it out for 5th place. The Owen Wilson starrer from Judd Apatow and Seth Rogen won with a $5.8M weekend (and new $20.5M cume) while the horror flick finished 6th with a $5.3M weekend (and new $19.1M cume).
Friday's No. 7 Stop-Loss fell a spot to 8th after it opened to only $1.7 million Friday and Saturday from a limited 1,291 plays. It eked out a $4.5M weekend. Although the drama from MTV Films was the best-reviewed movie opening this weekend, Paramount wasn't expecting much because no Iraq war-themed movie has yet to perform at the box office. "It's not looking good," a studio source told me before the weekend. "No one wants to see Iraq war movies. No matter what we put out there in terms of great cast or trailers, people were completely turned off. It's a function of the marketplace not being ready to address this conflict in a dramatic way because the war itself is something that's unresolved yet. It's a shame because it's a good movie that's just ahead of its time."
Finishing out the Top 10: Warner Bros' 10,000 BC was #7 with a $4.8M weekend and still anemic new cume of $84.9M from 3,055 theaters; what a bad sign that, starting its 4th week in release, this expensive CGI-bloated pic still hasn't broken the $100M barrier. Disney's College Road Trip held onto 9th with $3.5M for its 4th weekend in release at 2,270 dates. And No. 10 was Lionsgate's The Bank Job, hanging in for a $2.8M weekend from 1,869 venues.
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The reason no Iraq war movie has done well is because they have all been anti-American themed, with the exception of The Kingdom (which tried to be somewhat neutral).
Hollywood will never get it. The average American doesn’t think like they do. If they would make an Iraq war movie that was actually positive and showed a real American hero, it would do very well (assuming it was a well made movie of course) but that won’t happen. They can’t even imagine such things.
Maybe if Hollywood made an Iraq war movie that wasn’t so set on making the U.S. out to be the bad guy, America would go see it.
When will Hollywood reaslize that they are out-of-touch with the majority of America and making movies against a war most people support will flop. It isn’t rocket science. I would bet a great deal of money that a positive, pro-soldier, pro-America movie would make millions for them instead of these out-of-touch, anti-war, anti-America films.
I anticipate a string of excuses as to why it failed…but lets face facts…it failed because people don’t like a movie that insults or belittles their country, their president (Democrat controlled Congress has a lower approval rating), or the men and women that VOLUNTEER to defend it. Soldiers are not a combination of red-neck dunces from Texas and poor people that have no choice if they want to stay in this country. I quick survey would find that the vast mojority of soldiers (wait..this may stun some Hollywood Leftists) WANT to be soldiers!
Just pathetic…if that is how the people that make these movies feel…I am of the mind-set they they can take their attitude, policies and socialist mind-set and move to a place more fitting for them….maybe Venezuela….Maybe Cuba….it would be paradise for you guys!
A Soldier
Folks stop loss isnt being anti american.its a fact that our military is being pulled too thin. I know someone that had this happen to them and as a viet vet if I was told i had to go back to vietnam after my contractual obligation was up I would have headed to canada. either the COUNTRY has to support the war or get the troops the hell out of there. all americans MUST serve if this is a real war and or if america isnt behind it then bring them home for gods sake. and no I am not some hippie anti war nut. but this is becoming vietnam part 2. back the war which means backing the troops all the way or get them all the wya home. we cannot be for the war as a country then have a very select few fight it for us. this isnt WW2 in as much as the WW2 generation wants to beleive it and for those who have never served then you need to either put your money where your mouths are or admit this isnt a World Wide conflict and bring our troops home. We confess to supporting on one hand then do the absolute oposite with the other.
saw Stop-loss last night. excellent film. President Bush should be ashamed of himself.
Hollywood has just become an extentiion to the anti-american left.
I live next door to several veterans of the Iraq war who argue and fight about who had more fun while serving in the middle east and who is gonna re-enlist first. Maybe the general public would enjoy a war movie written by an actual soldier or even someone who has stepped foot in Iraq within the last 5 years. Movies made by clueless actors detached from the real world will never be taken seriously. Directors like Oliver Stone and Michael Moore had better pay attention.
Stop Loss did poorly because it is based on a lie. Anyone knows in the military the terms of service. You can and will be called back. Sometimes immediately even after being told otherwise.
No one tells you “You’ve been stoplossed”. That’s more Hollywood B.S.
Maybe if Hollywood made a movie where soldiers were not portrayed as victims or murderes or overall failures then people would go to see it.
Reality is a popular theme these days. Iraq War films that are anti-American to their core and based on non-reality will always do poorly.
Some people will always hate America and the military. They just won’t pay $10.
I’m burned out completely on any movie set in the screwed up middle east
Stop Loss is a loser because the rest of America is not as anti-America as Hollywood or B. Hussein Obama.
When will they learn that socilism destroys creativity and individual expression. Go to a socialist or communist country and see how grey, drab and lifeless they are – and how sad the people are. Wake up Hollywood
debra- stupid liberals should be ashamed of themselves, for being stupid and for being liberal, you stupid liberal.
There wasn’t much to the 21 advertising campaign. Just that horrible line “Don’t call me Dude.” What the hell does that have to do with anything.
I guess perhaps people have finally gotten tired of the spoof movie genre. Though that doesn’t explain Meet the Spartans doing very well for some inexcplicable reason. Another beef I have with movie commercials is the tired cliche of lines that utter profanity being stopped by another shocked character. Like in Superhero Movie, the Invisible Bitch line, cuts to another character being shocked. That’s perhaps the worst cliche in comedy commercials today. Which probably will never go away.
Stop Loss is a loser because the rest of America is not as anti-America as Hollywood or B. Hussein Obama.
When will they learn that socilism destroys creativity and individual expression. Go to a socialist or communist country and see how grey, drab and lifeless they are – and how sad the people are. Wake up Hollywood
WHEN IS THE MEDIA AND HOLLYWOOD GOING TO FIGURE OUT THAT THE ONLY PEOPLE AGAINST THE WAR ON TERROR,ARE THE MEDIA AND HOLLYWOOD.MAKE ONE MOVIE SUPPORTING THE TROOPS AND IT WILL BE A BLOCKBUSTER.JOHN WAYNE IS ROLLING IN HIS GRAVE.
I think that Super Hero Movie would have done better if Epic Movie wasn’t such a flop.
Stop Loss is a loser because the rest of America is not as anti-America as Hollywood or B. Hussein Obama.
When will they learn that socilism destroys creativity and individual expression. Go to a socialist or communist country and see how grey, drab and lifeless they are – and how sad the people are. Wake up Hollywood
The anti-American bias of Hollyweird elites will not sell outside the tiny cocoons of the two left coasts. It’s like the old AA saying, Hollywood keeps doing the same thing again and again with the same bad results.
Ideologues never learn.
With all the movie-goers staying home, Hollywood needs a “Stoploss” of it’s own.
The problem with Iraq themed movies is not that they are “anti-american” or “anti-military” but that they are not escapist. Everyone goes to see ‘21′ because it’s a fun fantasy and makes you feel good. If I want to be depressed about the state of the world, I’ll just stay home and watch the news.
The premise of Stop-Loss is that the military recruits are all stupid and don’t know what they signed on for.
The reverse is true…. and Hollywood is stupid.
The following is my favorite part of the article.
‘Paramount on behalf of MTV Films wasn’t expecting much because no Iraq war-themed movie has yet to perform at the box office’
This is the definition of LIBERALISM. FORCE YOUR VIEWS ON EVERYBODY ELSE.
They knew it wasn’t going to make money….but b/c the MESSAGE is so important….make the film anyway.
Typical Hollywood. I love how pill-popping, botox- injecting liberals think they need to educate the public about the war in Iraq.
How would they know? Can anybody name any modern actor/actress that has served in the military?
Hollywood sucks as bad as the movies it makes. They just don’t get it.
At the risk of sounding redundant, it would take real courage on behalf of Hollywood to make a balanced, dare I say – even positive Iraq war movie. As a Middle East doctoral student, I am floored by the disconnect between Hollywood/Media/Entertainment elites blind to the money potential for even a “balanced” movie about Iraq. Everyone else on the planet knows that Northern Iraq is growing by 10% per year since 2004 and the economic/financial players are scrambling to benefit from the Kurdish “Dubai” experience. As for here. No. There’s only negative reporting ad nauseum. Make a movie with some positives, based on the facts, and Hollywood will be awash in money…
Hollywood continues their slide into oblivion.
There are better video games, with better stories than any movie. And the video games aren’t trying to “educate” me with some PC message. Also, the box office numbers are grossly inaccurate, nor do they include advertising or promotions costs. The money lost by Hollywood at this point is staggering.
I don’t think they get that there is a total re-alignment in “media land” at the moment. Also, note to Hollywood, you make movies no one wants to watch.
The difference between today’s “war” movies, and those of generations past is that the “classics” give the audience something to cheer for…THE AMERICANS.
There was a sense of PRIDE in one’s county, and it’s mission…Halting oppression, tyranny, the spread of communism.
Today, you’ve got so many opinions regarding what the US role, as the last remaining superpower should be in the global theatre. Too many people are quick to laud the HUGO CHAVEZs of the world as “leaders” when in fact they are tyrants.
The KINGDOM was a fantastic movie because instead of trying to indoctrinate the audience with the producers political opinion, it laid out a storyline that led to an action sequence that had you on the edge of your seat cheering for the safe return of their comrade. It was ENTERTAINMENT not PROPOGANDA
“The reason no Iraq war movie has done well is because they have all been anti-American themed, with the exception of The Kingdom (which tried to be somewhat neutral).”
What do you people mean by such statements? If the movie weren’t factual it would do well?
Continuing to put forth that this is a good work seems more like a Doctor Seuss movie to me.
There is a difference between anti-American and honest.
I believe Vantage Point is doing pretty well, and is an Iraq-themed movie that doesn’t portray America as the real terrorists or soldiers as victims/murderers. Hmm…
Thanks Nikki for letting these non-liberal comments get posted.
Hollywood is so out of touch that they are teetering on self destruction. Not only is America against the culture corruption that Hollywood tries to mainstream but the anti-American attitude of their Iraq propaganda war films is sure to choke them. With the exception of the Hollywood creatures, Americans by and large love America. Want to make a blockbuster film on the Iraq war? Try focusing on the liberation of 25 million people form the oppression they’ve suffered for 30 years. This liberation made possible only because of the incredible US armed forces. Try portraying the remarkable progress and success of this endeavor. And yes, the Iraq war has been and continues to be an awesome and selfless accomplishment for our great country. Wake up Hollywood while you still have the chance.
We’re so bombarded by the media about the Iraq war that the last thing I want to do is take 2 hours out of my weekend to submit myself to more. And besides, I’m not dumb enough to believe that Hollywood can come close to the truth of any story.
I have a great title for a new Hollywood Iraq war based Film:
1) “Dead Failures”
A movie about news reporting on soldiers. The news editing board room is a place where the only soldier that makes news is a soldier that dies or “screws up”.
2) “Mission Not-Accomplished”
A movie about how soldiers where given a mission in Iraq and succeeded with less casualties than any other war ever, but people who pretend to care about them call their mission a failure because they hate President Bush.
3) “Hopeless Poor Moron”
A movie about how the only people willing to join the military are uneducated near homeless people desperate to make ends meet.
Overall, Hollywood is Dr. Evil:
“Why make billions, when you can make … millions?”
The Hollywood idiots did it again. He would want to go see a movie about the alleged army imperfections? I would rather see a movie of how we kicked bottom and took names in our ‘SHock and Awe’ campaign. Talk about a thriller. I mean seriously who did the producers think would come see this movie? The only anti-military people is Hollywood and the media left. A minority of people.
All you have to do is hang out at a few Hollywood parties as I have and listen to the ill-informed ranting and bizarre histrionics to understand where this stuff comes from. It’s really sad considering the amazing things that have really taken place, and the fact that both Clintons, and all the leading Dems also urged military action against Iraq throughout the late 90’s. Which culminated in Bill Clinton unilaterally dropping over 4000 smart bombs and cruise missles on Iraq from 1998-2000. But of course there will be no movie about that.
Ah, I see this post was linked from Drudge because all the crazy right-wingers are posting here, desperate to defend the America they don’t have the actual courage to fight for..
Gary, please call you history teacher and set up a meeting to punch them in the face! Not every American supported WWII, http://www.alba-valb.org/volpdf/vol_1941_02b.pdf, search “antiwar + WW2″, learn before you flap you fat face. Any soldier should read their “contract” you are property of the government for up to 10 years after your active duty! They can call you back to serve at any point. We are a VOLUTEER FORCE if you want to join and get the benefits, you have to pay the price, even if you do not agree. When you sign the line you are a soldier, either accept it or do not sign! This movie is a whinner’s excuse for “I served, leave me alone.” This movie is trying to pull strings that are not there, if America dislikes this war so much, why only 1.6M? Spong Bob pulled bigger numbers in the first hour! I agree with Matt, let a real movie be made by someone with experience and that movie would rival “Saving Private Ryan” – oops another SUCCESSFUL movie showing Americans kicking the shit out of the enemy. I am sorry I forgot, non of this fits the template that America is the enemy, at least for the consumers of these movies and thoughts.
“Try having a “peace” talk with someone who’s only goal in life is your death”
Anti-American films by psuedo-americans is a waste of time and money… Just move away… move to North Korea, or China, or france, or venezuela, cuba… just go away. It amazes me that hollywood bites the hand that feeds it.
Speaking as an ex-soldier from the volunteer era (and, sorry, Vietnam vets, but your views on how soldiers see things don’t realy mean much since the draft ended), I can tell you that anybody who refuses to fight when the war comes up or refuses to go back when your buddies are still out there, is pretty much a piece of crap. You don’t leave your buddies hanging, no matter how much what you have to do sucks.
Hollyweird is still in business? Couldn’t prove it by me.
They haven’t made a movie that interests me in 30 years. They even ruined The Simpsons Movie for me by making it a loony-left political statement.
make a positive movie about our soldier and our country, i will go see it. make a bs anitamerican, anti US soldier I will shove it down the toilet.
So many positive things have happened in Iraq and Afghanistan, and yet Hollywood, the media, and politicians focus more on the death tolls, and anything about bashing Bush… We’re kicking butt out there! How about a movie that tells the truth about the Army exceeding re-enlistment goals for the past two years and since the surge began? It will be a cold day in Hell before the spoiled, politically biased, Hollywood elitists release that flick. So much for patriotism. Hollywood and the nuts who believe everything Hollywood spews need to get a clue.
Hollywood is infested with self-loathing America haters. The miracle is how they keep finding investors for this kind of crap. I happily remind them that they can offset taxable income with the losses incurred with this bomb.
From the Washington Post this week:
A spate of Iraq-themed movies and TV shows haven’t just failed at the box office. They’ve usually failed spectacularly, despite big stars, big budgets and serious intentions.
The underwhelming reception from the public raises a question: Are audiences turned off by the war, or are they simply voting against the way filmmakers have depicted it?
It would require a movie depicting the heroism and nobility of the mission in Afghanistan and Iraq to get a real answer to that question, and none have been made. The story focuses on the half-dozen anti-war films that have been spectacular box office flops. Only Hollywood couldn’t figure this out.
I wonder if the average person has noticed that lately there isn’t too much being reported from Irag or Afghanistan as far as combat operations goes. Remember what the biggest story in the past 2 or 3 weeks was? Our 4000th Hero was killed in Iraq. Not how much violence is down from the day combat started, or the Iraqi population just wants to get on with their lives and get the country working, or almost anything positive. Nope. Just that we hit the magic number 4000 within the Iraq or Afghanistan border so everything has been a waste. The next day, the Boston Globe had a half-page illustration of 4000 stick figures arranged in the shape of 4 coffins. The left claims to care about our Heroes so much that they have to come home, but with that picture, they reduced every single damn one of them to a statistic. Congratulations Boston Globe. Sorry to rant, but it makes me ill.
Perhaps the fascist-left of Hollywierd will eventually get the message, although unlikely considering how pampered, overpaid and hypocritical they are. Farewell, LEft Coast.
Looks like there are a lot of people who feel like myself. I have no desire to see any of the trash Hollywood puts out. These smug individuals who prance around in their fancy clothes honoring themselves with oscars while we have REAL hero’s fighing and dying for us every day make me sick.
If Hollywood had any courage, they’d make a movie about the nonstop daily violence caused by Muslim Terrosit. Now that would sell!
The reason no Iraq war movie has done well is because they have all been anti-American themed,
If they would make an Iraq war movie that was actually positive and showed a real American hero, it would do very well.
Maybe if Hollywood made an Iraq war movie that wasn’t so set on making the U.S. out to be the bad guy, America would go see it.
I would bet a great deal of money that a positive, pro-soldier, pro-America movie would make millions for them instead of these out-of-touch, anti-war, anti-America films.
Maybe if Hollywood made a movie where soldiers were not portrayed as victims or murderes or overall failures then people would go to see it.
MAKE ONE MOVIE SUPPORTING THE TROOPS AND IT WILL BE A BLOCKBUSTER.
I agree with all the above comments. Nikki, does anbody in Hollywood read your columns, and the responses?
Hey NSR, I served six years in the Armed Forces. What did YOU do for your country?
1/ Hollywood has no idea how the rest of america feels on this issue.
2/ Stop loss is spelled out quite clearly in the contract you first sign. It is in there for a reason. We can’t have half a unit going home in the middle of a battle or we will lose that battle. DUH.
3/ I have been in since 1992 so don’t tell me to enlist.
4/ I assume all the liberals who call conservatives “chickenhawks” will all join the second bush is out? No? didn’t think so so that makes your “chickenhawk” argument weak and cowardly at best.
Hey Gary, did you forget about how we got into the WWII in the first place? Let’s see we only went to war back in WWII because they bombed Pearl Harbor. Back then we waited to long. Well this time they bombed the World Trade Center and killed innocent civilians. Look at the pictures. Everyone should go back and see those. We went in and Saddam is dead and so are his sons “ooday” and “koosay”. I feel we won. We are helping to rebuild and it is working. WE are in it to win it. BTW you said all Americans should serve, how about you going to the recruiting center and signing on the dotted line? Have you served? Well I am proud of my two sons who have served and I know the real story that the media is not telling you. Our soldiers are doing a great job. Thank you to all who have given up their first class seats for my sons when they came home. We can’t go into a country for a little while and then leave. What does that say to the rest of the world? Let’s all get on board and finish this. If we stick together we can accomplish a lot.
John Wayne is rolling over in his grave now with the “war” movies Hollywood is producing now and if he was still I alive I bet he we punch all these idiots in Hollywood the mouth. If Hollywood ever decided to make a John Wayne type of movie about the war and America then they would have a box office hit, not the flops on all the ones they have now. Hollywood just don’t get it.
NSR,
Stop loss is playing in 20 minutes.
Don’t forget to scratch off a ‘Support the Troops” bumper sticker off a military mom’s car on the way to the bus.
Let’s jsut have the active duty service men and women, and all war veterans get to vote this year.
Since they are impacted the most by war, they should be the only one’s getting to decide who will lead them.
Then again, you would not want me getting to vote while you have to stay home.
When will Hollywood realize that it is and has become
irrelevant to middle America. That they have squandered most of the goodwill they had built up over the years by actors who could act and all the mystic is gone.
Perhaps if you made better movies and were more in tune with America I just might go see a movie.
“No one wants to see Iraq war movies. No matter what we put out there in terms of great cast or trailers, people were completely turned off. It’s a function of the marketplace not being ready to address this conflict in a dramatic way because the war itself is something that’s unresolved yet. It’s a shame because it’s a good movie that’s just ahead of its time.”
Perhaps when they stop with their antiwar propaganda people will go see an Iraq war movie. It is amazing that this studio source doesn’t get it. It is amazing that Hollywood keeps repackaging this antiwar crap when they keep losing money.
This comment is total bs: “I live next door to several veterans of the Iraq war who argue and fight about who had more fun while serving in the middle east and who is gonna re-enlist first.” Nobody who fights in a war enjoys war. Tell the 4,005 dead, 29,314 wounded, and countless others with PTSD how much fun it was. And the reason why people don’t go to Iraq war movies is because they don’t care. AS LONG AS POOR PEOPLE WHO THEY DO NOT KNOW ARE THE ONLY ONES DYING IN IRAQ, AMERICANS WILL NOT CARE! The war in Iraq is an absolute wrong for which there are only 2 cures: electing a Democratic President to end it, or instituting a draft – if the selfish American people, including the hawkish posters on this board, were told on Monday a draft was going to be held on Friday the war would be over on Wednesday. The Vietnam war ended because regular American people were forced to participate in it. Also because those who got to stay home were forced to watch the horror nightly, with all 3 of the only 3 TV networks bombarding people with coverage. Finally, everybody had somebody they knew and loved fighting over there, a son, a father, a brother, a friend. The Bush administration learned this lesson well and cleverly removed those obstacles, by limiting media coverage and only using volunteers, choosing to stretch them dangerously thin and call them up for multiple tours, rather than fortifying their ranks with civillian conscripts, which they knew would be political suicide. They are relying on the American people’s apathy toward the over-extended soldiers’ plight, and the current generation of Americans, obsessed only with their own self interest and having no sense of civic duty, is only to happy to oblige by them. Support the war in two ways: join the military or lobby to end the war. Otherwise, shut up.
I think that most of the people who are saying that bth emovie is anti American may not have seen the same movie that I did.
Hollyweird lives in their little bubble. Bunch of mega libs, marxists, and communists.
I just respond by not seeing movies anymore—-and I used to see lots and lots of ‘em——don’t watch anything about them either. “Left” is blind”—-the left cannot see how left it is and it’s up to the rest of us not to go their way. This country wasn’t made by leftist ideology!
from bob “Support the war in two ways: join the military or lobby to end the war. Otherwise, shut up.”
So much for freedom of speech. Must be a liberal thing. I am guessing you will join the second bush is out?
I just read a review in Which Ryan Phillippe, or whatever that cheated goofs name is, talked about how bad the war, how he wants it to end, how illegitimate it was, and the reviewer equated his call to service ina film with that of a soldier. Are you freakin’ nuts???? The movie was shot in Morocco, and they broke into muslims homes on holidays to pretend it was Iraq. Gee,that is really helping the US image. Maybe Hollywood should realize they are the problem, and their stupid, condescending, middle America mocking films do not help. How incredibly out of touch can they be? Stop Loss has been pushed by every major newspaper as a good movie to try to work their anti-troop message into our lives. The American people are smarter than your typical liberal.
STOP LOSS??? What’s new about that? In early 1950s all enlistments were involuntarily extended 1 year due to requirements of the Korean War. This was lessened in 1952 and my elistment was over August 16th and I was discharged in November 1952. What a bunch of cry-babies.
These anti American Iraq movies are so unappealing but they keep making them. I guess Hollywood doesn’t mind losing money if it is furthering the right agenda.
Well it looks like the freepers have been hard at work.
All of you whiners claiming this movie is ‘anti-American’ have any of you seen it?
Any of you? Or are you just going by what you heard on talk radio?
Thats what I thought.
None of you would know what ‘anti-American’ REALLY is because none of you can think for yourselves anymore.
Hollywood is brain dead. They put ideology ahead of story. You can tell that they maneuvered to make sure that George Clooney (Rosemary’s Baby) got nominations and was rewarded for his anti American, anti Middle East war efforts. They did not dare nominate him for one of those films. To bolster him, they nominated him for that awful “Clayton” movie when a film like “American Gangster” was ten times superior and nearly un-nominated. I agree that the failure of these films is NOT due to being tired of the Iraq War. It is due to the fact that these films work against the efforts of our country. They have chosen to subvert and undercut and de-legitimize the War effort and our soldiers, even to the point of “criminalizing” them. At worst, Hollywood consciously sides with the bombers; perhaps believing, like Reverend Wright or Obama’s wife, that we had it coming. One irony is that what outrages Islamist Fundamentalists about us is what they consider the sewage we export into Internet and cinemas of the world….all of it coming from Hollywood, its film and its Porn industry. But, ohhhh nooo… none of it on their hands. “Bush Lied” answers it all for them. Hollywood and its Left Ideological stars have slipped for ham handedly dealing turning their craft into brain dead opposition to their own country. And, because they want to be “Activist Lite,” they pull down their fellow actors by seemingly making them feel they must “speak out”…speak “truth to Power” or some such nonsense. Pretty faces mouthing barely understood opinions strikes Flyover America as obnoxious. They don’t understand that their efforts to subvert our soldiers and their efforts in the Middle East and elsewhere turns off the ticket buyers. I, for example, will never attend a George Clooney movie because I see my dollar spent on him as a vote for his ideology and behavior. I don’t want him, Hollywood or the World to think that.
More evidence that the HoWood types can’t make a logical argument is provided by NSR (AKA No Sane Reasoning). Military personnel, who apparently have the “actual courage to fight” for their country can be counted on to do 2 things:
1. They refuse to buy tickets to see their country and themselves insulted.
2. They overwhelmingly vote the way that “crazy rightwingers” vote.Why do you think Gore didn’t want the military overseas vote counted?
Keep it up, HoHoes. Your delusions will keep you going even if the money doesn’t.
I know someone that had this happen to them and as a viet vet if I was told i had to go back to vietnam after my contractual obligation was up I would have headed to canada.
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So you’d desert? Let me guess, you’re a liberal? Gee, how did I know that? The only people who turn tail and run when asked to actually put themselves in harms way for this wonderful country. one that has given us so much, are the punks that joined for the benefits only. Free college money is fine to take from the government but when you have to live up to YOUR OBLIGATIONS, well it’s a different story.
You people are such pathetic losers. If we had your kind in America in the early 1940’s we would all be speaking Japanese and German today.
Wow, I’m stunned by the number of hardcore right wing freakouts on a website devoted to “liberal Hollywood”. Perhaps you would’ve liked the movie (or gone to see it) if it starred Chuck Norris. Maybe he and Huckabee and Rambo could’ve gone in and cleaned that sucker up. You want a controversial statement: I think the reason Americans don’t go to movies about Iraq is because it is the equivalent of asking the neighboring Germans to admit something smelled bad in that camp down the railway tracks. After the Second World War, American soldiers forced those Germans to see what had been done in their name. Maybe someday, someone will do that to you.
Interesting comments… I don’t think Hollywood is out of touch – they just happen to be ahead of many of you. The millions of Democrats that are so engaged during this election (go Obama!!!) are very much the audience for this film. In particular it will appeal to the more educated segment of the U.S. – not all are capable of seeing any faults with their own country as it involves a little more self confidence and a familiarity to conduct a little research (a handy little skill you pick up in college). The movie will do great in the long run.
Don’t dumb down movies to appeal to the idiotic masses – that’s what there are movies like Die Hard or Saw 5.
Hollywood is doing everything they can along with the liberals in Washington to lose this war. Nothing would make them happier than America losing in Iraq. It is the same people who did everything they could to lose the Vietnam war. This time though, they realize they can’t spit on soldiers anymore or throw dog shit at them. So they have to be more subtle and insidious by cloaking their defeatism in the “We love the soldiers, but we hate the war” bs. In truth, just like Vietnam. They hate both.
While I didn’t vote for Bush in ‘04, I chuckle at informing the Bush-Haters that George W. Bush is a beloved figure (yes you heard me) in the Kurdish North and even by many Shia intellectuals (Sunni Arabs in Iraq hold mixed opinions of GWB). As for the Shias in Basrah, that’s a different story. Farsi (Persian) is now the language of choice in most transactions in Basrah, at least the last time I was there (fall 2007); meaning, the Iranians are an ever present influence.
Given all this, media/entertainment elites are either so lazy when it comes to fact checking or they are intellectually so dishonest, either way, the public is understandably wary of yet another Iraq War movie, particularly one with narrow, pejorative title as “Stop Loss”.
Hooray – thanks to those people expressing the opinion that Hollywood just doesn’t get it etc. I get so tired of hearing about what the “Hallowed Hollywood” types think about this or that. They don’t live in the real world. My gratitude to those in the military, they are the “real world”. I agree – make a movie that makes America look good (which it is), show us an American soldier doing what they do every day – making decisions for the betterment of their fellow man – and make him good-looking! It would be a hit! My favorite part of Transformers was the beginning with all those soldiers! That’s what Americans want to see their soldiers doing on screen – being strong and in control – not wimpy and whiney! But they just can’t bring themselves to do it because they are so far to the left it’s sickening. As an American I am ashamed of their lack of support for those that keep them safe and allow them to have their precious “freedom of expression” – the soldiers and the politicians that make the hard and unpopular decisions.
Hollywood, wake up — you’re not in the mainstream. Hell, you’re not even from this planet.
Americans want heroes on the silver screen. Americans think their military are heroes — cause, well, cause THEY ARE!
You are out of touch with Main Street, the farm and the ranch. You are involved in a circle jerk, it’s a little circle and it’s only all of ya’ll in it.
Grow up, Hollywood, and try, try, try to get revelant.
Watch this video called “How Modern Liberals Think” and you will see why Hollywood keeps making movies that are anti-American.
This video is very good. It’s by a guy named Evan Sayet, who used to write for Bill Maher. You will need some quiet time. Make sure you watch the Q&A at the end too. If you want to understand Modern Liberals, watch this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c
“It’s a function of the marketplace not being ready to address this conflict in a dramatic way because the war itself is something that’s unresolved yet.” No. Hollywood is just so out of touch with America it’s laughable. We would watch an Iraq movie if it didn’t make US out to the be terrorists.
If Hollywood would just go back to making PROPAGANDA about how GREAT WAR IS, we could finally go back to loving AMERICA, the MOVIES, and BABY JESUS. I can’t wait for Rambo!!!!!!
Hollywood only backed America in one war: WWII. Why?
Because Hitler violated the “Non-Aggression-Pact” with Russia. Prior to that event, the general sentiment in Hollywood was anti-war, as usual. As soon as Russia was attacked, Stalin’s Hollywood sycophants jumped to his aid.
I don’t believe in censorship or blacklists, but fortunately, Americans seem to be able to filter out the garbage by their own free will (at least until the liberals find a way to regulate our choice of movies).
hepwa, so now americans are nazis? Got to love those liberal sterotypes.
To the guy who said anyone linking from the Drudgereport is a rightwing moron (or words to that affect)
Dude? When was the last time you ACTUALLY read Drudge?
It is a news AGGREGATE, it carries stories of ALL political slants except for hard Left (MoveOn) and hard Right (NewsMax).
TRY to be a little more OPEN MINDED.
Liberals: The most INTOLERANT people out there>
?Make a movie that actually shows American soldiers like the heroes they are I will go see it. Otherwise, take your anti American crap and shove it!
Wow. Thirty four comments so far and only three from dirty liberals. I love you guys. We were only called right-wingers once. This movie did poorly because we are tired of being told how to think and what to feel about this war. After 9-11, eight of the nineteen people in my class joined some branch of the service. We were juniors then and we all took our ASVABS that very day. I was so proud of my classmates. Not one of them had a low IQ, most of them were honors students, and all but one re-upped after they were finished. Come on people lets get with the program, Hollywood, the media and the Left are completely out of touch.
Hello fake servicemen and women,
The majority of real military service people have disapproved of the handling of the Iraq war since 2006.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003501934_militarypoll30.html
I haven’t seen Stop loss I was going to go tonight. You all have seemed to taken it as a political walk. Well then lets tell the truth. I have a child in the military. Yes it is volunteer. Yes there is a contract. But what you all are ignorant of is the fact that contract has been thrown out the window and the the President of these United States have changed every soldiers contract. So unless you are there and have a contract don’t assume you know what you are talking about. Yes we should be very thankful for these young men and women who sacrifice and give everything for this country something alot of people will never know anything about. So how do we repay them we lie to them we throw out thier contract and say oh you are only supposed to have to be hear a year to bad try 15 months oh 15 months naw try 18 months yes this is going on every day so when John MCgain says they are streched thin not because they volunteered to be stretched thin. Some have babies they won’t see until they are 2. But don’t worry we know the VA will be there to help with mental health issues to put the families back together.The VA couldn’t handle the load before this mess what do you think is going to happen to the soldiers when they finally do come home. Yeah we thought this would never happen again it did right under our noses and the worsepart of it is people like John Mcgain and John Kerry and Bob Kerry let it happen. Shame on them.
Maybe when some of the Stop loss soldiers finally do get home you all can interview them see how they felt about it. Sad thing is these men and women won’t complain because they are soldiers they are not about politics they just take all the crap that is loaded on them even if they are being screwed by the commander and Chief that sent them
Hepwa, please take some time and watch this video “How Modern Liberals Think”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c
All of it please…it explains Modern Liberals to a tee.
Stop-Loss is based on a lie. When you enlist, you are signing for an 8 year obligation. I was in the first gulf war and soldiers who recently left the service were re-activated just in case they were needed. When you enlisted, this is explained to you. Officers can be recalled at ANY time if their skills are needed.
I’m so tired of Hollywood making our troops out to be either ignorant,victims, or murderers. Support our troops and don’t see any of these Hollywood pieces of trash!
i guess hollywood doesnt read or care about what their
audience thinks. the vast majority of these posts are telling them what they want and why their iraq movies fail….but they keep marching on with their anti-American, anti-military agenda. wake up hollywood!!!
Stop loss is just another cynical hollywood attempt to shove their anti-American, anti-military political opinions down the throats of the public in the guise of entertainment. I served in Iraq and am proud of it, and will go back if called.
I think i will go see stop loss, as a solider getting ready for tour two, i need to do my best to support the economy, some people in Hollywood made a bad product that hates America again and i think that some latte drinking pole smokers will be kicked out of there house and as a soldier i can sacrifice a little more. I see that a “Viet Vet” POSTS he would go to Canada if he had to do a second tour and i respect your service, we needed pak clerks and cooks back then and that is why we get tcn’s to do those jobs today, Hey Viet Vet i know that as a soft skill you saw some things, like a guy cut his hand on some c-rats when his P-38 broke but let the young and the bold fight this war, Lead Follow or go to Canada.
congrats Hollywood on making a product no one will see and havening my taxes raised to bail you out of your ARM when you finally get fired.
When you are stop lossed, you are stop lossed till the end of the mission, not forever. Don’t believe the liberal lies. And buckets, I don’t agree with the way things have gone in Iraq, I would have done things far differently, but admiting defeat and running away is not the way I would go.The us troops you are talking about want VICTORY not a shamefull retreat when they have not been defeated in the field.
It’s already been mentioned that average
Americans don’t buy into Hollywood’s political
aims masquerading as entertainment. There are thousands of positive stories that have occurred in Iraq since
we’ve been involved there. What’s the problem with telling them? Many actors seem to have a need to place real “meaning” on what is essentially nothing more than the art of pretension {movies}.
Hollywood’s movies are losing money for the same reason newspaper circulation is down and revenue has dropped like a rock. They are Anti-Soldier, Anti-American and generally negative.
Hollywood is indeed out of touch with middle-class America, but the Hollywood Liberal Elites are too prejudiced to notice who their target market is.
What middle-class America thinks and what they pay money to see will make or break a movie – not what the minority of Liberal Elites think.
There is money to be made – but not by making the movies with the same tired old theme = America is the bad guy.
Hollywood is fantasy. We live in the real world, we go to the movies to escape from the real world for a couple of hours. Oh, Hollywood get’s it, but they don’t care. It is chock full of Liberals who will try to influence the masses even if it means a financial loss. They have proved it time and time again. That’s why I NEVER go to the movies anymore.
It may come as a shock to people like the poster “hepwa”, but being conservative doesn’t mean that you like Rambo movies. Admittedly, the few Hollywood actors that come out as conservatives are usually pretty lame, but it does not follow that, because there are no A-list conservative actor, conservatives only like B-list actors. There are a number of factors that go into the fact that Hollywood is dominated by the left, not the least of which is that acting is not the most RESPONSIBLE career choice. Actors who make it are treated like spoiled babies, so of course they are liberals.
It should also be noted that Democrats do make up about half the country, but even they aren’t going to see these movies.
Another anti-America flick bombs, who wudda guessed?
If Hollywood could somehow come up with a movie that
has our rotten military causing Global Warming I think they would be on to something.
A toast to all of you that have commented on how out of touch Hollywierd is…..they come off as so smart in the movies but most are morons who haven’t got a clue.
To those like Debra….forget about the blame Bush BS…its old and only lib-tards are buying it anymore. If you want to see what we are fighting against….watch this short film by the Dutch filmmaker that is now under a death threat by those of the so-called “peaceful” religion…….
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=69293
The failure of the American educations system never ceases to amaze me. Reading posts by people such as “hepwa” highlight what happens when you cede the campus to the far left. Their dedication to situation ethics seems to require them to deny and avoid any logical sense of right and wrong. It appears that the only way that these anti-American egotists can live with themselves, in their perverted world, is to denigrate those people who think that it is noble to risk their lives for the sake of others. I would ask “how do you even get up in the morning?”, but I guess you have to walk to your stash to get high enough to last through another day.
Where’s Mel Gibson?? We need an Iraq war movie that’s a cross between Fitna and They Were Solders.
Did anybody read the explanation given by one MTV Film’s execs as to why the movie has done poorly? “It’s a function of the marketplace not being ready to address this conflict in a dramatic way…it’s a good movie that’s just ahead of its time.” Truly, these people are out of touch with mainstream America. Anytime you see “MTV Films” associated with a movie, you can rest assured that it’ll be a piece of crap. They don’t get it and they never will, which is fine by me.
I agree with most posting here–if I am going to pay $10 (!!!!) to see a movie, I don’t want it to be Hollywood hitting me over the head with how bad our government, country and military are. We have an all volunteer military, and a large percentage of the veterans from the Iraq War WANT to go back. What does Hollywood say about this? Ask and you will hear crickets.
Make a film about those who volunteer, sacrifice and are proud to have done so. Foreign concepts to the Hollywood Liberals no doubt, but I can guarantee it would be a winner.
The reason people don’t want to see the movie is evident in the comments on this board. Without even knowing about what’s in the film, people jump on it for being “Anti-American.” Yes, one can get “stop-lossed.” And if you think everything’s hunky-dory in Iraq, think again: How are we going to sustain 2 wars with no draft? If there was a draft, I guarantee the tone of the posts above would have been different. The reason the movie’s not doing well is because Americans aren’t ready to face the truth about the war in Iraq. Just wait a few years and see how this thing really went down. I hope we can salvage a positive outcome, but it’s going to come at a cost most Americans don’t want to deal with. Don’t blame “liberals” for our poor tactics.
Maybe if a movie that dealt with terrorism had the villains reflect the origins of most of the terrorists at work today: Arab Muslims. Oh my god, we can’t reflect reality. In “Live Free or Die Hard”? White, disgruntled, American computer consultant. “The Bourne Identity”? Evil, soulless, American killing machine. The last movie to show maniacal Muslim extremists bent on the destruction of the West and Democracy was “True Lies”, and that was made in 1994. I seriously doubt any of the dickless Hollywood America haters would have the balls to make it today.
I am a 22 year military retiree with an active duty wife, and a son starting his second tour in Iraq, I can tell you that I appreciate this thread. I still have my original enlistment contract and it clearly states in black and white, “four years active duty and four years in the inactive reserves”. That was an eight year commitment that I used one hand to sign and the other to raise in the air when I repeated the oath of enlistment ending with “so help me God”. My 40 year old wife and my 21 year old Marine son tell me that their contracts were the same. Dictionary.com states that the military reserve is “a fraction of a military force held in readiness to sustain the attack or defense made by the rest of the force” . My point is this: The United States has no draft nor compulsory services like many other countries do. Whether you join the military because you want to defend your country, because you couldn’t get into any colleges due to grades or lack of funds, because you wanted to see the world, or because your girlfriend dumped you (guilty), you join with your own free will. You voluntarily make a commitment and you then sign a legal written contract holding you to your commitment. As for STOP LOSS, I haven’t seen it nor do I intend to. To my personal satisfaction, and like its preceding recent anti-war genre, this film is tanking at the box office.
To everyone who has been saying that Stop Loss is just some Hollywood creation, you should know that the writer’s brother served in Iraq, and this happened to him…
Whether Stop Loss makes a good point or not, one thing is clear, America does not trust the Hollywood Left to make it.
And Debra, the article already said that at least one person saw it. Maybe the Clintons should be ashamed of themselves for gutting the Military? Naww.
I never see ANY Hollywood movies except for the animations (where I don’t have to see the faces of stinking left-wing trash actors) or the comic book movies (which actually have heroes). Hollywood is a rotten cesspool of liberty haters, desperate for al Qaeda and Iran to win in Iraq, just like the rest of the Democrats. Their proudest accomplishment was intentionally losing the Vietnam war. 5 million murdered as a result, and that beautiful country still in slavery. The left is the moral trash of the universe.
People are so depressed about the war in Iraq that the don’t want to be
reminded of it.
70% of the American people are against it . The same as the people in the the military and their families.
An American action hero in the middle east is as much a fantasy as Batman.
Talk about wallowing in ignorance…”No matter what we put out there”?
“No one wants to see Iraq war movies. No matter what we put out there in terms of great cast or trailers, people were completely turned off.”
I can’t believe what I’m reading here. I really didn’t know that after all the information on torture, civil fighting, and military-to-soldier abuses that people could still whole-heartedly support the war and believe that we are doing well there. It’s a matter of total blindness–go read a newspaper or do some academic searching. And these arguments over ‘left’ and ‘right’–what are we, back in the McCarthy era? Oh no, those commies in Hollywood! Watch out! Having a skeptical view of what America is doing in Iraq and the Middle East isn’t wrong, it’s the kind of free thought that our forefathers encouraged.
Oh well… I guess fighting to protect freedom and freedom of speech also means protecting bias, anti-American Spin-Nazi propagandists who don’t have a clue about how good they really have it compared to the rest of the world.
Tell the millions of Afghan children who finally received an education after the Taliban was defeated that helping them was wrong, or tell those Iraqi families that we were wrong for overthrowing Saddam who gassed hundreds of thousands of the loved ones. I guess my duty in Iraq meant nothing. Hollywood instead tries to make money off of all the negative aspects of this war instead of honoring what we have actually accomplished in Iraq and Afghanistan. By the way, I’m not poor, nor am I a “red neck”. I’m not ashamed to say that I recognize how good we have it, and love my country enough to proudly serve in the military.
Garbage in garbage out. My only complaint is that people go see their other movies that allows them the profit margin to produce this socialist crap. Oops. Shouldn’t mention that word “profit” here either. That’s another capitalist no-no to the whacko left.
Let them do a movie about how 114 of the 117 hotspots currently going on in the world involve Muslims and see how that sells. Hey Hollywood, The Truth Will Set You Free!
All Americans have done during it’s existence is try to help people. We are not always perfect but by God we try. Ask the President of Africa who just said that President Bush doesn’t get 1 tenth of the credit for solving Aids in his country that Clinton did yet he has done 10 times as much.
The mainstream media and hollywood can kiss my fiscally conservative behind while they go broke!
Interesting side note, the largest anti-war protest and march in the history of the world happened just before World War II in London and we all remember how that turned out. Well, the people with the clarity to see a real threat, once again saved all those ostrich’s who couldn’t.
As a Soldier (Master Sergeant) who has served two tours in Iraq and is on tap for a third I think I have the experience and moral authority to weigh in on this.
1- Yes, we use the phrase – “You’ve been stoplossed.”
2- Folks get stoplossed past the initial 8 year obligation. We had folks called back from retirement terminal leave to deploy for what ended up being a 15 month tour.
3- Soldiers on the ground want to win and want to serve, but there is a hell of a lot of angst over being stoplossed. Just as there was a lot of anger over the extension.
4- No one on high has given the Soldiers on the ground an endstate to work towards so each time we go its like we are starting from scratch.
5- The surge worked on the tactical level, street violence is down, but it is not yet working on the strategic level for the Govt of Iraq is not really interested in reconciliation.
6- This is a war unlike any other, even the Band of Brothers in WWII fought for less than a year and received numerous months off the line for rest and refit. Soldiers today go 15 months straight in a COP with only a two week leave. In Vietnam most Soldiers only did one twelve month tour, not multiple tours.
7- The rational for this war changes on a daily basis as George tries to change history to reflect the reality that there were no WMDs and there was no link to al-Qaeda. This constant changing leaves us on the ground wondering when the mission will be complete.
Bob said, “Hollywood has just become an extentiion to the anti-american left.”
Where’ve you been, Bob? Hollywood has been part of the anti-America left for many, many years.
Does anyone notice the decline of news papers corresponding with the decline of Holyweird? Both with an extreme leftist agenda they can’t force to enlightended Americans anymore. Coincidence? I think not!
Hepwa:
I think conservatives have some kind of twisted logic.
I think we invaded Irag to tell the worlds islamic terrorists that if they set off a nuke in Hollywood or any other liberal perverted city of ours, no matter how disdainful the I-fascists find it, we would destroy their world and then bring the few remaining to the Hollywood “Bowl” – to rub their noses in it.
Watch out for conservatives that have logic as twisted as a liberals.
Bob…..what do you mean by “As long as poor people who they do not know are the only ones dying in the war in Iraq, Americans will not care??” I have never commented before, but I felt I must for this. My husband has been a tanker for 18 years in the Army, and believe me, I care much more than you! The only difference is, we actually know what is going on there because he has been there many times and sees the success that he and his fellow soldiers are accomplishing. I am VERY proud of him and do not consider him to be a “poor soldier.” We do not make a lot of money and could have definitely made a lot more out in the civilian world, but we actually care about our nation remaining free and safe for our children. My husband is my hero….and so are all the other brave men and women fighting this war…instead of like you being a coward and shooting off your mouth to things you don’t know. I guess the saying “Ignorance is Bliss” is talking about you.
Debra exmplifies Hollywood’s theme that “President Bush should be ashamed of himself.” This is the exact reason Hollywood gets it wrong. It’s not a question of the movie being ahead of it’s time; Americans don’t want to see an anti-American movie no matter how unpopular Bush or the war may be in the polls. The fringe who wants to place blame for everything in the world that is wrong squarely on the shoulders of our nation will never trumph those who still believe and love the dream we live in.
If you want to make a war movie, try making one about the Lone Survivor book written by Marcus Luttrell a real American Hero – not some useful Hollywood idiot that panders to the kook fringe on the left.
I didn’t know anything about Stop-Loss until reading this review, but reading through the comments, I will DEFINITELY go spend some money on this, if nothing more than to piss off the Neanderthal nutty right-wingers leaving comments on this review.
If you think you’re not living in a socialist country as it is, you’re misled. The recent huge injection of $$ by the Fed to bail out Wall Street is recent proof.
Wow…good comments…could not agree more.
Hollywood is so obessed with anti-american and socialistic themes these days it makes me sad.
Tell the truth!
Black Hawk Down was an excellent movie. Showed us getting our asses kicked…but at least it was the truth and at least it showed America in a positive and noble sense.
My 23 year old daughter just got back from a deployment in Baghdad. She volunteered to go and would volunteer to go back. She will not be “Stop lossed”. She has served this country proudly and I am the proudest dad in the country. The nut jobs in Hollywood are just out to impress each other with their liberal views. I hope they make a hundred more of these movies that no one will see. Serves them right to lose all that money. I agree though, make a pro American. pro solder movie and they would have people lined up around the theaters waiting to see it. I find it interesting, if the Taliban was running this country, the liberals would be the first to lose their heads. Think about it. The rest of the world thinks that American society is what they see in our movies. They think that we are all drug crazed, sex fiends who all carry guns. When was the last time Hollywood made a movie that showed the TRUE America? No wonder they hate us. It’s more the stupid movies and not our government policies these people hate. They don’t want what they Perceive as our culture polluting theirs.
Good to see there are so many true Americans out there. Our military rocks. They have done an AWESOME job in Iraq. The problem is getting the liberal media to report an accurate description of what has been going on over there. As so many have already mentioned, Americans (primarily Republicans) do not like to see their country badmouthed. And they certainly are not going to pay to see such garbage. That’s why these so called important films fail.
Maybe all of you liberals should go see the movie tonight. You will have a whole row to yourself.
Me and my pals from Camp Pendleton will be out demonstating in front of the theater, “encouraging” people to see another movie.
It could be ugly.
Every member of the military (most), understand that YES at any time once you sign on the dotted line, you just signed away your life to the military and things can change, its all part of the fun……you can be recalled at any point….nothing is a guarantee….but most are proud to serve….sure, we moan and groan with the best, but that’s human nature…..I like to think the original reason we all join is that deep down we have a certain proudness of our country that noone can change…..not even hollywood……wow!!! John Wayne……I have a great selection of his war movies…now that was a great hollywood back then……..or at least smarter…..
“It’s a function of the marketplace not being ready to address this conflict in a dramatic way because the war itself is something that’s unresolved yet.”????????????????????????????????
Give me a break!! So the American people are just too stupid in hollywoods eyes! Take your anti-American movies and stick them up your a**!
“Having a skeptical view of what America is doing in Iraq and the Middle East isn’t wrong, it’s the kind of free thought that our forefathers encouraged.”
A skeptical view, only as long as that view, is backed up by a Liberal ideology. All of this crap that get’s spewed by the press, is not skepticism, they are tools used to try to unjustify the war. It is not skepticism, it is anti-war, anti American. It has an agenda other than being skeptical. My proof: There are good things happening in Iraq, but the press never mentions them. THAT is how I know they are biased and full of it. http://bloodtoiltearsandsweat.blogspot.com/
Keep it up Hollywood! I love to see you waste your money on your stupid anti-American agenda! Keep making movies that nobody wants to see except the loons at moron.org, then blame the American public for not seeing it. LOL
When a faithful rendition of “Lone Survivor” becomes the top-grossing movie of the year, maybe Hollywood and the Michelle Obama/Jeremiah Wright segment of the American left will finally get it. But then, what real person cares if that ever happens?
The reason the movie is not doing well is the fact that it is not the usual fantasy about the mighty USA. It is a factual movie so there’s no hiding behind some super hero who shows the world how an American would do things. Get over yourselves and face facts, over 4,000 American soldiers have died for Americas need of oil! Happy to be a liberal.
Imagine Hollywood putting out 10-15 anti-American movies during WWII? Never would have happened. But that was back before patriotism became unintellectual to the liberal world. If Hollywood, even in its rank self-congratulatory cynicism, made a decent film that didn’t demonize/America/Bush/Republicans/or the military, but instead celebrated the bravery and courage and SUCCESSES of our armed forces, it would be a huge hit. But Hollywood will never do this with a Republican admin in power, and probably not even with a Dem.
You must first understand that making a financial profit is NOT the goal of many leftist organizations, such as some Hollywood studios and execs. Same with programs like CNN or CNBC and the like. Making a buck is NOT as important to them as swaying the public in their twisted propaganda. If the almighty dollar was ALL they cares about (and it is’nt), then they could VERY SIMPLY copy Fox News, or create CONSERVATIVE radio or television talk shows, and they would be rolling in the money! They KNOW what kinds of movies WILL make tons of money, they KNOW IT, but they dont do it. Why? Making money is not their primary focus. Propaganda and swaying public opinion is JOB #1 with the liberal media. The proof is in the pudding, going on decades now. Its is non-negotiable fact. Period. Have a nice day. China is coming…
The recent poor box office performance of “Semi-Pro” is further evidence that Hollyweird doesn’t get it. Americans love basketball and don’t want it to be mocked, but the leftie crazies on the left coast of Stalinwood refuse to accept that. Instead, they make movies that GENTLY MOCK those brave man who suit up night after night to shoot orange balls into baskets, night after night.
I’m sick and tired of movies that portray basketball as something other than the honorable, rewarding activity that it is. “White Men Can’t Jump” was factually inaccurate. I once, years ago, met a caucasian who could jump over a chair! “Hoop Dreams” was disspiriting Trotsky-anti-capitalist hogwash.
The only recent movie that got basketball right was “Air Bud”, and guess what? It MADE MONEY. Take notes, you latte sippers on Fidelset Blvd. (that’s what I call Sunset Blvd.) Air Bud made money because it told the TRUTH about America’s successes on the hardcourt, and the value of hard work, and the importance of white families and their dogs.
As long as you keep making movies that treat basketball like a game, instead of the game that it is, we’ll shun you and your liberal fascis… I mean, socialist, friends.
WAKE UP HUGO CHAVEZ LOVING AMERICA-HATING BASKETBALL-LOATHING FASCISTS!
Another anti military anti American Iraq movie bombs. Who’d have thunk it? Liberal Commie Hollywood is so out of touch with American values.
Bob Scofield wrote: “The Bush administration learned this lesson well and cleverly removed those obstacles, by limiting media coverage and only using volunteers …”
It is obvious you don’t hang around some of the embedded blogs vey much Mr. Scofield. We have guys out there in Iraq and Afghanistan who write real on the spot reports about real soldiers and marines who do the real work. Tea with the sheiks, rebuilding the infrastructure, making neighborhoods and villages safe. Read anything about Falluja recently? Mosul? I have … it’s there and it ISN’T THERE BECAUSE OF CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC or even FOX.
It’s there because Roggio and Yon and Ardolino are out there on their own dime (and mine) to live with the soldiers and Marines and give us the real story for the war from the ground. Up close and personal. It’s there because John Tammes (Major, US Army) takes the time to tell us what he sees.
We do have heroes, there are real heroes
Bob, you live in a bubble. You need to get out more.
It isn’t a perfect war, it isn’t a perfect situation. But it never is. It never was.
JAL
Mother of a US Army Major, who signed up of his own free will, who served with honor and integrity in Iraq, and who goes to work every day so Hollywood can make crappy movies about him and the men and women who serve with him.
I agree that the reason these movies don’t do well is because they are nothing but whiney political hit jobs. Regardless of what you liberals want to believe about how evil the military is and what a failure the Iraq war is, the average American apparently doesn’t want to buy the defeatist, anti-American BS that you are selling. So, go ahead and whine about it as much as you want and blow your MoveOn.org dollars on making these pathetic propaganda films. We’ll just vote with our feet and stay home… at least until someone in Hollywood wises up and gives us a film about Iraq that we can be proud of. Being a veteran, I would love to see an accurate depiction of what I experience, but I guess I’ll just have to keep waiting. I won’t use my money to fund these imbeciles’ efforts to deride our country and its top-notch military.
There is a class of people known as the international wealthy. These people include most major stars, directors, producers, rock stars etc. These people like their peers in industry, banking, politics have no loyalty to any nation because their wreath does not depend on any nation. That is why Hollywood does not see themselves as anti American. Being an American doesn’t mean much to them, what matters to them is their money, status and peers. They prefer Dubai to Kansas. F them and their insulting movies.
The short answer to the snotty salcidos of the world, who claim that educated people will see this film (unlike soldiers and their “idiotic masses” supporters in flyover America) is: so why did all the other anti-Iraq films fail so spectacularly at the box office? Where were the elites lined up to see them?
And yeah: spend millions making films no one will see — and then announce that the audience isn’t ready for them! Now THERE’s a marketing plan!
But, thanks, salcido, for showing open contempt for the people you don’t agree with. It’s soooooo…..”liberal” .
See if Hollywood make a movie about Mark Finelli, the Sole WTC Survivor to Enlist in the Marines and fight in Iraq, actually followed the advice of the fans here, and made a pro-troop, pro-USA, pro MISSION, about the sole WTC survivor to enlist in the Marines and fight if Iraq, the RED STATE ticket buyers PASSION OF THE CHRIST CROWD would make this the biggest movie of all time.
How wonderful that almost all these comments support our soldiers and our country. How can FflMeaganabber think we are so lacking in being informed? Which is the same thing as saying we are stupid. God Bless America.
I’ve always heard stories of soldiers being horribly injured, yet wanting to go back and serve. I love to hear stories and see movies about heroes like that, not whiny soldiers who didn’t read their contracts and don’t want to serve, even if most people would understandably fall into the latter category.
How about movie with a John Wayne, leatherneck, hero-type Marine Gunnery Sergeant leading a pack of thundering heavy armor vehicles and fellow Marines into Falluja, Iraq, saying politically incorrect statements like, “Let’s slaughter these rag-headed butchers!” Or perhaps a Lee Marvin strong-jaw type of soldier leading a SEAL team against hide-outs in the Tora Bora region in Afghanistan to rescue some hostages from the Taliban before they cut their heads off. You can even include footage of a captured Al Quaida terrorist being painted in pig blood to get information from him on the location of Binny Laden. Maybe then Mr. Hollywood Liberal will you be able to sell some theater seats.
Yeah, we American movie goers are a bunch of idiots aren’t we? We can’t seem to “appreciate” movies that are “ahead of their time.” I wonder when these Hollywood types will come to “appreciate” that we don’t like bias crap for entertainment. By the way, if this war really for oil, when can we expect payment?Because I have yet to hear about ships filled with oil making their way to our shores from Iraq. And…wouldn’t it be better if we drilled for it ourselves and make wise use our own resouces? BTW, here’s a clean movie for you: http://revver.com/video/403910/catching-faith/
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!
“I support the troops – not the war” That sentiment kind of rings hollow coming from H’Wood – doesn’t it? They support the troops that play into their template -only. For years the left has harped on the right for shoving their beliefs down people’s throats. Now that they’re doing it – it’s OK because they are truly enlightened. Which means that their beliefs are infallable. Hypocrits!
Wow, Niki- I see the crazy conservatives are alive and well on this site!
Stop Loss is bombing because it isn’t escapist entertainment- we can see stories about the Iraq War and our straining military on CNN. Polls show that most Americans don’t support the Iraq War anymore, although of course we all support the troops.
The fact that Ryan Phillippe is rumored to have cheated on Reese Witherspoon with his Stop Loss co-star, Abbie Cornish, doesn’t help draw in adult women, either (despite Phillippe’s massive PR campaign).
Hollywood is completely out-of-touch. Their socialist agendas only appeal to a small portion of the population who are ignorant enough to buy their lies. As for Super Hero, it’s the same old formulaic spoof.
Americans want something new and honorable – clearly something that won’t come out of the worn out Hollywood machine.
“Me and my pals from Camp Pendleton will be out demonstating in front of the theater, “encouraging” people to see another movie.
It could be ugly.
Comment by GI Jihadist”
Funny, I have never, ever heard a Marine refer to himself as a GI. If you are going to pose as a Marine get your jargon straight. I am not even going to touch the existential question of whether you hate yourself since you call yourself a jihadist.
Soldier
“over 4,000 American soldiers have died for Americas need of oil!”
Well, if it were for oil, remember, you use just as much oil as the rest of us. Well, 90% oil from Canada and Mexico that is. And know this, out of a barrel of oil, half of it is used for gasoline, the rest is used for products, that we all use. And I hope that you value life when it comes to abortion, cause the number dead is over 44 million! All in the name of selfishness. Funny how you libs pick and choose what life to be concerned with. If it supports YOUR cause or ideology, then you support it, if not, then it is considered to be just some right wing cause, not worthy of supporting. As a right winger, I thank God, that your mother didn’t have your brains sucked out, even though I can’t stand the idea of you. One last thing, those adult soldiers, they chose to join the millitary. Many choose to join this very day, in light of current events. God Bless those patriots. They are stronger than I to fight for your freedom to be an idiot.
http://bloodtoiltearsandsweat.blogspot.com/
Have any of the commenters seen this film? I did and it’s pro-troops, discussing intelligently an issue that faces most people coming back from the frontlines. The protagonist has some moral problems in considering his choices, but at least he considers them — a choice I doubt anyone who tosses off labels like ‘it’s too liberal’ or ‘it’s too conservative’ have to make comfortably from their lovely and safe homes.
Maybe the movie isn’t successful, folks, is because we want escapism these days — and this hit too close to the headlines.
the reason stop-loss or any movie like it will never do good is because most Americans love America…..we are not all bleeding heart liberals….those are only in washington and hollywood
If a producer wanted to actually make money on a film that dealt with this subject (and tell the truth at the same time), they’d make it far away from the National Socialists in Hollywood, and they’d give the public what they need to hear and see: a story that tells about ourselves, our relatives, our friends and our neighbors, who sacrifice so much to keep us safe.
I would personally love to see a movie in wich a group of Hollywood and Washington liberals get stranded on a desert island and are slaughterd one by one by a fed up military mom who is sick and tired of all the liberal garbage that we have to hear in the media. i think a movie like that would make millions.
NSR and the rest of those (like a certain prograssive party) who rely on DEFLECTION i.e. “why aren’t you serving” comments. We have the best of the best in the military and they should be supported and thanked and we definitely don’t do enough for them.But how dare you are any espouse your elitist vitriol and sarcasm.
To Bob Scofield: You think you’re so smart! No one loves dying or being injured, but these people (not all of them, granted – you have whiners in the military who only signed up for a regular paycheck and didn’t count on a war) are proud of what they do, and yes, (go ahead and gasp!) they do love to kill the bad guys! I said, the BAD GUYS, not the good guys. I have a friend who fought in the Gulf War doing behind-enemy-lines recon for the US Marines (you’ll have to look up what recon is, I’m sure) who brought back pictures of their “wins” and would show them to anyone whom he deemed worthy to look. Then he’d pull out his rifles and show them to you if you were nice . . . he spent as many years as he could in the Marine Reserves after that, and was (uh-oh, here’s that word again) GLAD to go back into duty whenever they called him! He hated to be away from his family, yes, but he understood the big picture (look that up to while you’re at it) and loved his country enough to go there. So, YES, they enjoy this war in many ways – they also enjoy SAVING the GOOD GUYS FROM the bad guys! There ARE bad guys over there, you know. You have proven that you do NOT understand our military OR their families! (My friend’s wife was the one who asked if we wanted to see the pictures and guns – she hated him being gone, but not the REASON he was gone!)
And, you history-deficient pretender, do you understand we could have WON the Vietnam War if our military had been allowed to use their might instead of having to play nice for the cameras? Do you understand that but for those reporters who were broadcasting on all 3 networks we could have finished it all and sent our boys home?! Now, THAT would have saved lives and perhaps kept the draftees out of the war. But, once again we see someone (that’s YOU, Bob) who has a few facts but sees them upside down and backwards.
“AS LONG AS POOR PEOPLE WHO THEY DO NOT KNOW ARE THE ONLY ONES DYING IN IRAQ, AMERICANS WILL NOT CARE!” This is the most moronic statement of all! You think only poor people are dying in Iraq? You think we, the thinking Conservatives of this great land, AREN’T poor? You think that we thinking Conservatives don’t care about the ones dying? You idiot! Those are OUR sons and daughters, wives and husbands over there! And they and their friends account for the 4005 that you are so broken up over!
I’m done with you: you’ll never understand no matter what I type here. I’m sorry you are such a pathetic misinformed unhappy man, but from the looks of it, you’re going to stay that way.
They’ll never learn guys.Guess they just like to lose money.
To all u complaining that Hollywood doesn’t make a pro-Iraq film–wake up! There is NOTHING positive about this war to turn into a film. Those fighting are not heroes fighting for our freedom–they are, unfortunately, people that chose a bad career path and ended up fighting George Bush’s war happy agenda. Our US freedom has NOTHING to do w/ Iraq. NOTHING. We are in fact less safe since this war started, and if Bush has its way, it will never end… not until every American soldier over there dies in vain. And to those that don’t like “whiney” soldiers wanting to get out–why don’t U go and enroll in the services so you can take their place in Iraq??
Want a film to do well? Try making a pro American flick for a change. Only antiwar freaks would care to see Stop Loss and they don’t have any money for the $10 ticket.
I simply don’t see why film company stock holders don’t read the riot act to the producers and directors for making such stupid money wasting films.
You know I cme down in a cork-screw landing in Bosnia and while under intense sniper fire subdued an entire division of Bosnian soldiers and captured a Bosnian General that is now being trie in the International Court of Justice. Chelsea helped a little too and I still had time to hear some stupid poem by some Serb tween which I could not understand because it was in Serb. I can’t believe I have not been awarded the Medal of Honor yet, damn vast right wing conspiracy, I think Chelsea should have gooten at least a Silver Star. I love Bill and he still loves me!
Hillary
Hey Michael….
Does it look like 70% of the people responding here are against the war? You must be reading the New York Times to get your figures. When McCain is elected because of his platform based on NOT pulling the troops out of Iraq, I will be glad to buy your liberal ass a plane ticket to France.
OMP
There are a number of great stories waiting to be told and they would all be hits along the order of Black Hawk Down, We Were Soldiers, and even the Green Berets, which was released at the height of the Vietnam War. How about a movie about the remarkable efforts of Special Forces and CIA at the beginning of OEF? Or perhaps a movie about Operation Anaconda and the heroism of Robert’s Ridge. Hollywood doens’t want to make a true war movie, they want to make message movies. What they don’t understand is that outside LA, nobody cares what they think.
I can’t believe the volume of misguided posts. It appears that most of those who posted haven’t even gone to see these movies. On the contrary, the flops have for the most part tried to be more balanced than the critics posting here are aware of. The one huge box office success about the Iraq war was the only truly, unabashedly anti-war movie in the bunch, Fahrenheit 911. The public has for the most part tuned out the bulk of pro-war propaganda they get daily through radio and TV, which they can get for free.
“No matter what we put out there in terms of great cast or trailers, people were completely turned off”
The trailers I saw were all negative, anti American turn offs. Perhaps a trailer that showed something entertaining or uplifting would work, but then you would have to make a movie about America that was entertaining or uplifting and that is impossible when you obviously hate America.
Wake up Hollywood, it is not Woodstock. The Vietnam war is over and you can stop your knee-jerks.
Make a movie you would enjoy seeing. How about a movie about the wonderful Hugo Chavez. Or maybe a gay Cuban soldier who finds himself stop-lossed fighting underground for Chavez in Columbia? Oh, I forgot. There is no ’stop-loss’ in the Cuban dictatorship, since there are no rights. Good health care though, unless you are gay.
I hate getting anti-American movie trailers in my face while trying to watch televisio. That is more than I can stomach. I watch Turner classic movies, or AMC to see some decent movies with some normal men ike John Wayne. Great entertainment, and he was not a wuss. Most of today’s politically correct ‘actors’ cannot even play a ‘man’ decently it is so far from their experiences.
Its just this simple. When Hollywood stops making and distributing worthless crap the tide should turn. Thank God for the Indies and Foreign films…..they get it. Good writing + Good acting = Good film and people that will actually watch it. Wow – what a novel concept.
By the way Hollywood – when will you figure out that people want to see a QUALITY well written film and don’t just go to the movies to see the ridiculous and mindless actors you promote. We all get WAY too much of them already in the media!
Any of you bleeding heart lefties getting tired of people who respect our country — try using your thumb, the borders are open.
U.S. Army (retired)
Command Sgt Major
5th Special Operations Group
I just returned from the middle east, most of us on our second or third deployment, and I would go back tomorrow if called. I’m disgusted at everyone who rants against this country, who hopes for its failure, and rallies for surrender to terrorists and tyrants while claiming to be patriotic. The people we are fighting would come for all of you first – and you are too blindly ignorant, too indoctrinated with Marxist dogma to realize it. We go over there to keep them there, so we don’t have pizza shops exploding in Los Angeles or Charleston. We are there protecting you silly socialist nitwits so you can carry signs in the street and wear insipid t-shirts. This ridiculous film is another Hollywood attempt to reverse reality – they make a hero out of the coward, the weakest link with no honor. They then portray the real heroes as mindless, uneducated, desperate pawns manipulated by an evil government. Finally, they whine and complain that Americans are too stupid to see the “brilliance” of their work, the depth of their “wisdom.” The best part about this story is the part where once again, the free-market solution to the problem is made evident – a movie made from a Dr. Seuss book and a pathetic schoolyard comedy are trouncing the big-budget film by Tokyo Rose.
hollywood will never get past the need to play to their own liberal agenda it is sad n cud really be a sucessful movie if done in a positive light nstead of the doom and gloom democrats want the war to b
The Hollywood reality is just as whacked as the Red State reality. The only nutjobs still in favor of this nonsensical war are the superstitious kooks who actually buy the Tim LaHaye horsemanure about raptures and Armeggedon and Jesus. Use your brainpower and avoid Superhero movies.
More important to me than commenting about a negative propaganda movie about our military soldiers is the pride I feel when I read comments supporting our troops. Heart felt thanks from the father of an American Soldier.
I have not stepped into a movie theater in 8 years, they have has been some very good years to me as well. I have managed to read, exercise and do many outdoor activities that made me realize every moment in a dark theater was a complete waste of time and money. Movies don’t even have the same dating appeal as they used to because the movies have been too shockingly bad to even be able to ignore them to focus on your date, along with the teen neanderthals that take away from the experience as well which is another extension of liberalism in general. I’m not sure Hollyweird will ever come out of this self created funk, I’m teaching my kids and friends as well to stay out of the brain-drain complexes, and it’s working, soon it will only be brain dead Obama voters going to the theaters at all. Good luck with that, libs.
Um, EXCUSE MEEEE Mr. Holy-er-than-thou-wood Big Shot Excecutive… I would love to see a quality made Iraq war movie. I just have a REAL problem financing your ANTI-AMERICAN position. Do you even remember John Wayne?!?!?! The way I see it, you could make up your losses and then some if you start right now and make maybe 10-20 pro-hero pix… Have you forgotten the function of your job?
Good Grief!!! What ever happened to going to the movies purely to enjoy the ENTERTAINMENT of a FICTIONAL movie? I haven’t seen this movie yet, but I’m tired individuals these days taking movies so seriously. What has this world come to where you can’t sit down in front of a movie screen or TV anymore without something being said about how it’s religiously wrong, morally wrong, too violent, too emotional, too political, too anti-american….etc.
PEOPLE.. Movies are for Entertaining, taking mental breaks to watch something other than our everyday lives. Stop taking things so seriously and just ENJOY them!!
The movie “Stop Loss” is all about shocking a civilian audience with a situation where a soldier who has served his time, including a tour of duty in battle, is then pressed back into service using the “stop-loss” provision available to the U.S. armed forces. Why does Hollywood make such a movie only about the Iraq War, when they have had decades to make movies set in the months after May 1945, when many U.S. soldiers who had survived the slaughter of battle in Europe were set to be shipped to the Pacific Theater to fight the Japanese? Now, in the end many of them did not have to go because the atomic bomb took care of things, but they thought they were going and they weren’t whining to the public about it, and Hollywood wasn’t putting out movies in the spring and early summer of 1945 sobbing about how the poor G.I.’s had done their duty in Europe and heartless Uncle Sam was unfairly about to send them to fight in Asia. Soldiers are a proud and honorable bunch who know what they’re getting into when they swear to fight for their country. I admire them for that. They don’t need tears from Hollywood, or from Ryan Phillippe.
If Hollywood/MTV opened a version of “Lone Survivor” this weekend, it would pull at least $30MM. It’s not the “Iraq War Movie” we are sick of, it’s the anti-american Iraq War movieS. That’s “S”, because there have been many of them.
When Lone Survivor comes out, you’ll get my $12 at the box office. In the meantime, Hollywood can go to hell for supporting the enemy.
If “Lone Survivor”, the book, was made into a movie tomorrow, it would be a blockbuster at the box office.
America is tired of the liberal leaning actors in Hollywood….why are they so dense to just chalk up the failures to the thought they we dont like Iraw movies because the war is unresolved or that we are bombarded with it in the media?
Leave you political slant out of the movies….maybe I would put down my books for once and go to the box office.
Unless I need to know the difference between “stage left and stage right”, I really dont give a darn what an actor has to offer in the way of political, social or military matters.
You conservatives are fucking stupid. No one wants to see an Iraq War movie because A MAJORITY OF THE COUTNRY IS AGAINST THE WAR!!! Why would I as a liberal, want to watch a movie about the USA occupying another sovereign country? Get a fucking clue.
Bob,
How dare you speak of me and my brothers and sisters with such elitist contempt “AS LONG AS POOR PEOPLE WHO THEY DO NOT KNOW ARE THE ONLY ONES DYING IN IRAQ, AMERICANS WILL NOT CARE!” Just like a know-nothing, never been anywhere, or done anything socialist (not a liberal – your people have forgot what Jefferson meant or did), you speak from your posterior. How can you type like that? If you had taken half the time it took to insult us to Google or Yahoo some of the well published demographics of those .003% of our nation that volunteer to serve, you would not have written such an ignorant comment. We are educated – over 90% of enlisted have a high school education – pretty good compared to the 50-60% of civilians and even more amazing we made it out of a socialist run organization known as the public school system. We are OVERWHELMINGLY from middle to upper income families. You give liberals a bad name when you purvey such ignorance.
The real truth is the world has not seen such a one-sided victory since King Harry left Agincourt in 1415. While the loss of each soldier, sailor, or airman is tragic to the family and the men and women serving with the dead, the fact remains that we are kicking ass. Any private (poor and uneducated from your perspective) has figured out we don’t want to fight those half-wits in Afghanistan when we can bring them out in the open onto a battle field of our choosing and decimate them! DUH! If you remember the Russians didn’t too to well – learning from history can be a bitch – if you are a socialist. I suggest you review the Battle of Waterloo and why Wellington hoped and prayed Napoleon would engage where and when he did.
But who am I? I am just a poor stupid enlisted man.
Another anti American movie for the left to mentally masturbate themselves. Made with actors who would pee their pants if they actually had to fight and by directors who get their plots from the Daily Kos & the Huntington Post. Funny thing if the Radical Islamists actually had their way the first group they would go after is Hollywood and its culture. Go Figure?
I don’t know about everyone else but with the cost of tickets going way up, I check the movie out on the internet first. If it is a good movie like bourne I not only go see it I buy it. Problem is lately most of the junk comming out I don’t even watch much of it even when it is free. Holliworld has gradually changed how people think about things. It takes time but eventually they get enough there way to change things. I remember when Peyton place first came on tv. A lot of people were shocked that a station would put such trash on tv. Looking on what we have now on tv peyton place is very mild. I personally do not have their trash in my home. I have IPTV with sky angle.
I don’t even bother to pirate their craptacular Gramscian product…But I sure as hell “educate” and “empower” every one of my friends and associates – of every political stripe – to bit torrent the hell out of the coastal collectives ‘visionary work’.
My left-leaning friends think “Wow! Free movies” and download Sicko.
HA!
Nearly everything the Corporatist Hollywood machine produces and distributes is, at the very least, threaded through with their nihilistic ‘cultural’ narrative. In their little theoretical world – up is down, and real progress is corrosion. Teenage single motherhood is applauded, and real murderous dictators are celebrated in silhouette on T-shirts and celluloid alike.
These Navel-gazing projectionists with far too much time-space to lounge about in their Malibu compounds have been fundamentaly culpable in the production and nurturing of global anti-American sentiments. Biting the hand that feeds them has been their primary stock in trade going on decades now, and I’m absolutely loving the manifestation of widespread domestic disgust for said product.
Keep it up angsty hollywood cokeheads. Your actions spur Americans, who are appreciative of their exceptional luck in getting to decide exactly how they spend the fruits of their individual labor, to (in my case) pro-actively seek ways to prevent their hard-earned cash from contributing in ANY way toward maintaining the powdered noses of our self-proclaimed and overly-pampered ‘betters’.
May you suffocate under the weight of the market that is leaving your hubris behind, and may your industry (in its current iteration) go the way of the big city newspaper.
America FTW!
Knowing the danger of the Andreas fault, if the worst happens and Hollywood and environs fall into the Pacific Ocean will anybody care above the cheering from the rest of us?
On the other hand, perhaps Hugo Chavez and Venezuela would like to annex Hollywood?
I agree with so many others. I’ve given up on seeing a rational and accurate movie about the Iraq War and the War on Terror.
Part of the problem is that Hollywood is playing to the overseas market. They are no longer solely relying on the American public or even really caring what the public wants. Therefore just because an anti military film doesn’t do well here in the States they know they can make it up overseas with people who live and breathe anti Americanism.
Maybe eventually Hollywood will move out of the country and we can start over with talented, imaginative people who will give the American public what we want: creative scripts that aren’t recycled garbage and actors who can actually act.
Wow, the Drudge Report psychos are out in full force today. And all of them spewing the same Fox News b.s.
Hollywood is populated by whining liberals, born with silver spoons in their mouths, yet they hate America due to their self-loathing and guilt complexes.
Movies are doing poorly because this attitude always comes across in the movies, through the condescending attitude toward the American people. There is a looooooong list of Hollywood “stars” that I simply refuse to go see or rent any movie with their names on the credits.
“It’s a function of the marketplace not being ready to address this conflict in a dramatic way because the war itself is something that’s unresolved yet.”
B.S.: The majority of Americans do not like seeing movies that show America or Americans as losers, quiters, etc. Hollyweird continues to focus on the negative. If they were to make a movie that shows the successes that have been achieved (and yes, there have been many, I witnessed them myself on a daily basis) and if they showed the bravery of my brothers and sisters serving their country, plenty of Americans would go see it.
Long and short – America’s sick of Hollywood when it’s acting out its prejudices and insanities. If the Islamic terrorists ever managed to take over, the first casualities they would exult in murdering on camera would be “liberal” Hollywood movie stars and gays.
Those “yeah, but I support the troops” lies? The troops, an ALL-VOLUNTEER FORCE who are brighter per person than most people in Hollywood, get it. Hollywood hasn’t gotten it since idiots like Jane Fonda started making movies.
People in fly-over land are simply tired of being preached to by elitist lefty writers, directors and actors.
It would be nice to see one movie portray the TRUTH… Terrorist are the KILLERS
The Kingdom was the only movie to stay nuetral and portray a REALISTIC version of the middle east…
Hollywood will never get it… can’t wait for oliver Stone’s new movie on George W.Bush… I’m sure it will be “fair and Balanced”…
You guys are awesome in here. It gives me hope for America. That there are true patriots still alive and kicking.
You a s s holes in Hollywood need to bring back John Wayne from the grave and prop up his corpse if you can’t find anyone like him. But you commie loving ba s t ar ds won’t because McCarthy was right and the blacklisters were right. Hollywood is full of America hating Commies. So keep on putting on your Che Guevara beret and T-shirt as you get dressed for your global warming event for Al Gore….and we’ll keep not showing up…….A S S HOLE
AMERICANS SUPPORT THE WAR!
Evidence of this:
1) Audiences have shunned small anti-war movies that anti-war film critics have generally disliked.
NOT evidence of this:
1) George W. Bush’s approval ratings
2) Poll after poll indicating up to 2/3rds of Americans want a troop pullout
3) The Democrats taking control of Congress in 2006
4) Support of the war considered one of John McCain’s greatest liabilities among independent voters
5) The popularity of books critical of war planning
But disregard this, because the fact that “Redacted” and “Lions for Lambs” were critical and financial flops is proof that real America supports the war, the troops, and great filmmaking like “Meet the Spartans.”
hey hollywood -
make a movie based on Marcus Lutrell’s ordeal in Afghanistan…people will come…his book “Lone Survivour” tells the account of his Navy Seal training and fighting ordeal he and his 4 man crew went threw in special ops in the Hindu Kush region…truly inspiring..the leader of his team was posthumously awarded the Congressional Metal of Honor (some irony in Congress pronouncing whose honorable, but I digress).
read the book; make the movie!
Phil Kruczkowski
Austin, TX
Hollywood liberals please read:
1. America is the greatest force for good in the world.
2. I thank God the current Hollywood libs weren’t in charge during WWII. We’d be speaking German now!
Despite different opinions about the war, most people don’t like quitters (even heroic ones) and most of us don’t want to see a movie about quitters written for the sole purpose of degrading the military and our country in a time of war.
Better Off.
This country would be better off if Hollywood was treated like any other type of industry.
Why do we care what a bunch of ego driven folk think about this country?
They have the poison pen therefore they know best?
No, I don’t think so.
God Bless America especially those that serve out country.
Hollywood is really tanking at the box office; it appears they’re losing their war against America.
The real stupidity about Hollywood, they don’t have a clue that without oil they cannot make their celluloid nightmares.
Bill Clinton should be ashamed of himself since I was “stop-lossed” to take part in his illegal war on Serbia (Yugoslavia). Unfortunately, anyone who volunteered since the eighties at least (that is when I joined) knows that you can be called back at any time at the pleasure of the president. It is part of your contract. Unfortunately my skill-set was in short supply when Bill Clinton started his “wag the dog”, Monica Lewinsky distraction war on Serbia and he shamelessly pulled me out of my cushy civilian job and away from my family for over 2 years to help distract the public from his sexual indiscretion. “Stop Loss” is obviously a sham movie made by people with a political axe to grind. They would never have made this movie about their beloved Bill.
There is nothing anti-American about self-criticism. In fact, quite the opposite. Lack of self-criticism is anti-American.
People who commit evil never think that what they are doing is wrong. If they didn’t believe it was ok to do, through whatever twisted rationalization, then they wouldn’t do it. So how, then, would you or I ever know if we are commiting evil? – only though careful vigilance and honest introspection.
Saying ‘I can do no wrong because I am inherently good’ is an argument without merit. Your morality is based on your actions, not your beliefs about yourself. ‘Faith, if it hath not works, is dead’.
First off, anyone shocked that 21 is doing well is an idiot when it comes to teenagers. They have not had a new movie in weeks and they are all talking about it.
RE: Stop Loss, PEOPLE WANT TO ESCAPE from this fucking nightmare we are in, not for Hollywood to remind us what a mess it is or why we shouldn’t be there…WE KNOW…we see it every night on every cable news station!!! You know what would do $100,000,000 —RAMBO going back to Afghanistan (set up with Rambo 3) and killing Bin Laden! People want the fantasy, NOT the reality.
I agree anti-military movies don’t interests me much. What concerns me though is how Americans have become complete losers. As your economy crumbles, your dollar collapses, and (rightly or wrongly) your credibility and power of persuasion all but vanish, what is the answer of the average American? To refuse to listen anyone with a slightly different opinion. You have morphed into those third world protesters who burn effigies when they perceive the slightest affront. Americas ability to constantly withstand being besmirched and insulted, and take it with a smile, was a sign of its greatness, not a flaw. You whiners are simply the film that is left over a great country dies.
Ganymede,
“You conservatives are fucking stupid. No one wants to see an Iraq War movie because A MAJORITY OF THE COUTNRY IS AGAINST THE WAR!!!”
That’s our point, braindead! They know that nobody wants to see these movies, yet they continue to make them anyway! Why is that? The nation wants to see movies where WE win! Or movies with POSITIVE messages! Hollywood knows this, but continues to make their LIBERAL, LEFTISTS, ANTI AMERICAN movies ANYWAY! Who are the “fucking stupid”? You leftists need to remove yourselves from this country. Or better yet, need to be removed!
http://bloodtoiltearsandsweat.blogspot.com/
“And all of them spewing the same Fox News b.s.”
No, Fox is spewing what we tell them to!
I hope Hollywood keeps making these films. If these liberal jackasses want to hang themselves, I say give them more rope. Hollywood and the American Left want really believe that the US military is made up of poor uneducated people who really don’t want to be there. As with most things they believe, there is NO basis for it. When compared to the 18-24 year old general public, they are better educated and come from higher income households. Over 20% of 18-24 year olds in the United States do not have the equivelant of a high school diploma. The rate among US military recruits is less than 4%. Of the total US population, 19.8% have household incomes under $30,000. The rate among US military recruirs is 13.6%. Almost 46% of recruits have household incomes in excess of $42,000. Only 40% of the general population can say the same. A far as being duped into extra tours or whatever other nonsensical point this film tried to make, you don’t sign up for a certain number of tours, or amount of combat when you join the military. 99% of the military realize that and don’t whine about the job they do, thank God. There has never been a perfect war. There never will be a perfect war. There are always mistakes made. While every soldier’s death is a tragic loss, there has probably never in history been a war fought with a lower casualty rate than this one. With over 160,000 US troops involved in this war, there has been a daily loss overall of less than 2.2 deaths per day and for this year, slightly more than one per day. Compare that with a five year period (1966-1970)in Vietnam where the US lost over 55,500 men or over 141 per day! What we are engaged in now IS war and if you had told someone even 25 years ago that you could fight a large scale war with losses of 2.2 people per day, they would have told you that you were crazy. No one likes war, contrary to what some people want to believe and nobody wants soldiers to die. So, when soldiers do go to war and die, we don’t need Hollywood and the left in this country belittling the military’s work or the cause that they are fighting for. The military understands why they are there even if Hollywood doesn’t.
Iraq Veterans Against the War:
http://ivaw.org/
I tried to express a thought earlier and have been attacked very aggressivly by many. abd i beleive if you read my post you would understand what I said will only be understood by vietnam vets and iraq vets. the billowing bundle of hype we hear and read is the same stuff we heard by in the vietnam days. I love when people bring up the volunteer issue. ok with that said how about from this day forward nobody volunteers. how long until one of two things occur. bush says that the iraq people need to fend for themselves or we have to draft people. to the person who said i need to punch my history teacher,,, I lived during the vietnam war and served and saw the outcome. either be ready as a country to go enmass and blow away anything that moves for victory and make sure ALL citzens get to participate or get the hell out. I dont get the volunteer stuff. your saying you get a free ride because someone else is doing your fighting for you? if you beleive so much in your country, then why arent you in?? and please the post clearly are not written by vets. vets undertsand, side liners dont.
My wife and I have stopped going to all Hollywood movies. They seem to think we are all micheal morons. Like the others say, make a movie showing the USA in a positive light and we will pay to see it. Otherwise, we hope you lose your shirts over these anti american flops!
Wait until the heroic movie of Marcus Luttrell’s story “Lone Survivor: The Eyewitness Account of Operation Redwing and the Lost Heroes of SEAL Team 10″ comes out- and is a success.
Stop Loss was from MTV Films? Not a shocker. From the same Morons who have “news” coverage on Nickelodeon of 10 year old kids dressed up like Al Queda terrorists at Abu Grahib. Trashing America.
Let alone the Tripe MTV shows on a daily basis. It should be re-named to “ATV” Agenda Tevevision. Becuase there is zilcho Music.
I love reading the crazy people’s comments. Keep ‘em coming Drudge.
Any of you right-wingers have a response for the Iraq Veterans Against the War?
http://ivaw.org/
Did I mention that when the helicopter cork screwed landed I saved everybody’s life on board and managed to pull everyone to safety, all the time under intense sniper fire from Bosnian special forces and perhaps 10 Bosnian divisiona trained to kill me! These marines are a bunch of pussies compared to me the model of american leftist socialist ideology, oh by the way don’t pay any attention to that picture of Bill, my loving sex pot, hugging the rev. Jeremiah Wright, as I’ve mentioned before he never would have been our pastor, but he very clearly was in line to be our love guru! I think Bill even suggested rev. Wright become our rabbi.
Love you all,
Hillary
Many in Hollywood, the media and academia live within their own little liberal social networks where they never or almost never encounter anyone who strongly disagrees with them. Besides, in their minds, they are the “enlightened,” “sensitive” ones who know what’s best for the rest of us “plebeians”. Hollywood has become such an extention of the politically-correct, far-left that there’s no room conflicting viewpoints. This makes most of their movies unwatchably boring because they all come from the same preachy, predictable, left-wing viewpoints.
The Stop Loss “Bomb” has nothing to do with anti-war theme.
(OK, it does for normal adult movie goer. IE… anyone with a brain)
But for this movie, the target audience was the 15 to 30 year old male.
Who want T&A and Three Stooges slapstick.
They do not watch CNN or Fox News.
They do not want to be preached to.
All they want to do, is live fast and die young.
They “Will Not” go to see a anti-war propaganda hit piece, like “Stop Loss”. It does not matter how much MTV promotes the film.
Now if you throw in “Britney kissing Paris” while the “Jack-Ass” crew is getting “Punked” then it would be a hit.
Don’t underestimate the negative effect these type of films portray to the rest of the world.
Anyone tracking overseas revenues?
Man, Bill O’Reilly’s fingers must be getting tired from all the typing he’s doing today. You people cannot possibly exist.
You Hollywood Collectivist scum really don’t get it… “No matter what we put out there in terms of great cast or trailers, people were completely turned off.”
Make movies that give the USA a fair shake and we’ll see them. Until then…UP YOURS!!!
Here’s a suggestion for “hollywood”, show the movie in the middle east or europe cash in on the big euro bucks. When you ready to make good old American value movies again then americans will consider paying “dollars” to watch. Till then i’ll watch reruns of john wayne….
“There is nothing anti-American about self-criticism. In fact, quite the opposite. Lack of self-criticism is anti-American.”
Self criticism is one thing, but that is not what is goin on here today. This is one political ideology against another in the US. Criticism admits that we are mostly good, with a few querks. Not to the Left though. To them we are inherently evil(the us)and may do some good here and there. The good being only if it is done by a leftist ideal. IE: Forced governmnetal charity versus private charity. Forceful taking of money from tax payers is good, to the left, whereas we on the right, think it is robbery. See the difference? Go to hell, leftists!
Imagine if President Bush did what Liberal heros FDR and Truman Did.
400000 dead Americans
1 Million wounded
2 Nukes Dropped
Over 5 million civilians dead
Draft
Jailed People for their race only.
Executed Terrorists/Traitors- instead of jailing them at Gitmo.
You think the left is unhinged now, they would be soiling their collective code pinko panties.
According to most statistics, we have murdered each other in america to the tune of more than 80000 people since the Iraq war began. And we die at the hands of our fellow “drunk” american at the rate of 25000 a year. And they {the moores, macintyres, oprahs, obamas, and clintons of the world} decry {actually I believe they applaud} the milestone of 4000 brave young men and women who have sacrificed so much for them in Iraq. It makes me sick. Especially in light of their obvious hatred of America!!!
How is it that all these people who’ve found this page thanks to Drudge are able to wholly condemn a movie they haven’t even seen? It’s just a movie. Lighten up people. And learn to spell, all of you.
There is an essay written by a retired Marine Corp General and a two time recipient of the Congressional Medal of Honor. Its called War Is A Racket. If you have never read it, it would behoove you to do so. Its online.
The premise of stop loss is completely exaggerated. When anyone enlists, it is for eight year, no matter what! Typically, people sign for four, but they have an additional four years for in-active ready-reserve. This is what how they can LEGALLY hold people. EVERYONE WHO ENLISTS SIGNS A CONTRACT THAT EXPLAINS ALL OF THIS, in detail. For those of you who think brave young lads are getting dooped in to this are getting dooped by an obviously biased, agenda-oriented Hollywood.
It is not that America is not ready for an Iraq war film, it is that the majority of Americans don’t want an Iraq war film that is against the war. Contrary to what Hollywood film makers seem to think, Most Americans do support the war and the soldiers fighting it. What America is hungry for is a HERO. We want and need a successor to JOHN WAYNE. Hollywood movers and shakers may not like to hear this but, THE SIXTIES ARE OVER. Times have changes and the old anti-war movement is dead. Most Americans want to know the good things that have and are happening in Iraq. If they want to make movies that make money, WE NEED A HERO!!!!
Here’s a movie idea:
Islamic Fundies coach a kid with Down Syndrome to blow herself up in a coffee shop full of kids and GI Joe breaks up the scheme!
To satisfy Hollywood’s lust for sex, they can even make the protagonist gay.
Hmmmmm…why do these movies flop? Because no one wants to be reminded what a disastrous quagmire Iraq is.
Hollywood, you are mired in your leftist-elite fantasy-land of Godless excess and indulgence. Unlike you liberal, spoiled and vain “artists”, we actually support our troops, want to win this war, and love our country, warts and all.
We don’t need you pinheads to tell us how we should view this war or this country. Bite me big time.
The depth of ignorance in this country explains how Bush got elected [In 2004. In 2000, his daddy's Supreme Court gave it to him.]
The depth of ignorance in this country equally explains the insanely phony Obama cult.
Bush and Obama are flip sides of the same coin. Two bumbling guys who have no aptitude for or grasp of the Presidency, who’ve put one over on voters with perceived charm, who voters support because they’re the preferred candidate to have a beer with and therefore get what they deserve.
Obama is finished, but he would’ve brought 4-8 more years of ruination to this country.
Channeling Liberal freaks: “I learned to hate my country in ‘college’. Look at me and how intellectual I am as a lemming who is just following what my socialist/closet commy tenured professor taught me. I do academic research and learned to regurgitate the same tripe written by the same closet commies. I am a member of Mensa and the 999 society, you can’t talk to me. I am sooo on a higher level along with my clique of friends who all live on mommy and daddy’s credit card, till I graduate and join the Earth Liberation Front and burn up a SUV dealership. Then I will be on welfare just to stick it to the ‘man’. I don’t dare think for myself, what will MTV and all my ‘educated’ friends think? I am going to condescend and tell you how smart I am and going to vote ‘Obama’, he is like…so ‘now’, but Kucinich still speaks to me…he visited last night in the UFO. Look at how cool I am at cocktail parties when I tell everyone how I made less than $80,000 on the film ‘Redacted’. As long as my pinky is in the air when I drink my wine. Bush LIED and my reason and common sense DIED! 9/11 was an inside job! It’s the Troof! I pray to Noam Chomsky every night. How can you all fight this immoral war? Abu Ghraib and underwear on the head is so much more worse than being beheaded and ruled by an authoritarian oppressive fascist theocratic regime! We torture! Can’t you see that waterboarding is TORTURE! You can’t force a bath on ANYONE! If I was told to take a bath…well, I would protest or go to therapy or something. It’s their ‘culture’ to behead people! You don’t get it! I have never read the Koran, but I know it is a Religion of PEACE! Believing in God is so ‘yesterday’ but for some reason I will believe that there is a ‘moral highground’ even though it takes a belief in Deity to have a ‘moral highground’ at all. (oops that train of thought might lead to a conservative conclusion…must smoke dope to eradicate the thought…*cough*..ahh, all better.) I try all the new fashion out of Berkeley, no bathes and a ‘Peace scarf’ that I put over my face during rallies and express myself by looking like a terrorist. I hate America, but I have no guts to leave for I know that every view I espouse will get me killed in most countries if I demanded my welfare check and then protested against those who gave it too me (Wait! Another conservative thought…(lights dooby…*cough*) all better). I hate knowing I am in the greatest nation ever in the history of the world. I hate myself. I am on welfare because I will not work, but you who do work need to stop global warming. You need to pay slave reparations (in the words of Teresa Heinz-Kerry) to the ‘continental Africans’ who are here! STOP THE CONSTITUTION! It was founded by a bunch of slave owning RIGHT WING EXTREMISTS! It’s a conspiracy by “Big Oil and Big Zion!” The shallowness of liberalism could continue ad-infinitum…
Conservative: “When we pay the price for open borders and corrupt government, you can thank me because I own the guns and will protect you.”
*SPIT*
It’s been said a hundred times already, but every Iraq war movie has flamed out because we’re all tired of Hollywood’s incessant anti-American propagandizing. Just because a bunch of self-appointment media elites in LA and NYC got together and decided they would pitch American failure in Iraq come hell or high water doesn’t mean the country in any way buys into it. It’s hilarious how many anti-American Iraq war movies Hollywood has made, how each one dies on the vine, and then how Hollywood blames the audience! It’s the same thing liberals do – if you don’t agree with their perverse adherence to “international law” over American interests, it’s because you’re not enlightened or educated enough. It’s never, ever the fault of the self-appointed liberal ubermensch.
Personally, I hope Hollywood bankrupts itself trying to cram these crude political diatribe films down America’s throat. We’ll never accept them, and we no longer accept you. To think of all the great pro-American movies that Hollywood put out in WWII – and the effect they had on winning the war – contrasted with the depths you’ve sunk to… you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Ever notice that all the people who are saying that “Stop Loss” is an honest movie were never in the military?
The fact is the left has made us a nation of cowards.
Nicki Finke loves the America trashing movies like this so she must be very upset. She and her America hating and Jew hating counterparts in Hollywood just can’t stand it that the American people no longer want to buy such dreck from the Hollywood elite.
Hollywood has crashed and burned with the Left Wing Loonies in charge. Obama is about as Left as Hillary, both are out of touch with most Americans. Hooorah! US Military!
Hollywood, liberals and democrats are idiots and liars. “We support the troops but not the mission”. Huh? That’s like saying I’m a Red Sox fan but I don’t want them to win the world series. Morons. “We feel the best way to support our troops is to bring them home”. Huh?? How about trying to support the troops by supporting the mission instead of dragging your feet kicking and screaming like a child in the middle of a tantrum? This war would be farther along if dems and liberals spent less time bad mouthing the country, president and the troops and got on board as Americans first and Dems second. Yes, I dare to question their patriotism!!
Actually leftist Hollywood is well aware that we folk in “flyover area” don’t think like they do.
However they passionately believe that we should think more like them not the other way around. Thus so many movies have “instructional messages” (propaganda) sometimes disguised as story but less and less covert these days.
Of course like all those with irrational beliefs the worldwide failure of socialism is easily ignored because their leftist views don’t reside in the rational part of their brain. Their views reside in the reactionary, emotional, and fear part of the brain you know the parts that make good movies.
Isn’t Paramount a publicly traded company? Regardless of your views on the war, isn’t investing in making a film that you know is going to bomb bad business sense? Of course, maybe their aim isn’t to make money…
Debra – I saw Star Wars last night – Darth Vader Should be ashamed of himself.
You saw a FILM and then you say “Bush should be ashamed.”
Everything for conservatives is either black or white, in more ways than one. How “stop-loss” is an anti American movie is beyond me, but since shrub 2 is in power you either line up behind his warped view of the world or your against all thats Holy and American. Talk about a simple view of the world. Most of us live in an environment where religious, political and world views are quite complex, it’s neither black or white, we all judge things based on our experiences and backgrounds. So I suggest you go see that movie and maybe then write about it.
Hey Mark–movies don’t show the US in a positive light b/c, quite frankly, the US is not in any sort of positive light thanks for Bush and Cheney and this ridiculous war that has killed now 4K American soldiers, a hundred + thousand innocent Iraqis, we are going nowhere with this war, we have NO business being in Iraq anyway (since the 911 pilots are from Saudi Arabia, not Iraq!!), the majority of Americans think this war was a huge mistake from the start, and truthfully–all of Europe and most of the civilized war does think America is run by a bunch of bafoons and does view America in a negative light. As far as liberals trying to force feed their views down the throats of Americans… what about Republicans? They want to force “Christian” values and war nonsense down the throats of Americans, not liberals. Liberals seem to show it as it really is–the Iraq war being a complete and total catastrophe!
Bob Scofiled appears to have ties to the anti-American website http://www.bushsucksdaily.com so one could expect such anti-US Armed Forces drivel from the likes of him. I even suspect he works for the film industry in LaLawood.
Let me tell you something BOOB, I live near and work with many Active Duty, Reserve, separated, and retired veterans and to the person they support this cause. The eras of the Vietnam War troops and today’s are completely different. BOOB, your statement that “AS LONG AS POOR PEOPLE WHO THEY DO NOT KNOW ARE THE ONLY ONES DYING IN IRAQ, AMERICANS WILL NOT CARE!” Well guess what BOOB, there are many, many not so (your words) “poor people” that volunteered to join the military and go to Iraq and Afghanistan. I have met lawyers and doctors that have done so and some joining the enlisted ranks. I have not even HEARD of, even one, LaLawood ACTOR, CAMERA person, or DIRECTOR being patriotic and not so GREEDY enough to join the military in modern times. And oh we Americans do care about our troops and their cause. What we do not care about is BS artist like yourself and your LaLawood kindred spirits degrading our Armed Forces or their causes.
BOOB and his LaLawood ilk would rather rake in the cash from the spilt patriotic blood of our honorable and patriotic troops.
Oh yeah, BOOB, I voluntarily spent more than 21 years in the military, how much did you spend in to become an expert on the demographics and politico economic make-up of our great Armed Forces.
BOOB, do us all a favor and stick your linked website and head back into the sand.
If Hollywood wants a hit they will make Lone Survivor into a movie. It is one hell of a book, and would be a perfect movie. True story. Drama. Many pro-America elements, but also some harsh truths about war.
Comment to Many:
“Black Hawk Down was an excellent movie. Showed us getting our asses kicked…but at least it was the truth and at least it showed America in a positive and noble sense.”
Unfortunately you told only half the story. The Clinton administration was notified of this event in the beginning and had we had a real qualified President in office he would have ordered the US commander to by pass the coalition commander (non-US) and applied a full US support into getting those trapped men out. This was not brought out in the film adaptation. But it does depict realistic American soldiers in action under severe stress conditions.
And in response to Mary about the film’s writer’s brother having been stop-loss, “Whats your point?”
In response to Ducar, the parent of a service member in Iraq. Your comments only tell me you were not involved in what your child was doing, Are you a bad parent? Stop loss is outlined in all enlistment contracts and even stated in separtion documents such as ” May be recalled at the request of the President of the United states”. It appears to me you failed to do your part as a parent in advising your child. But them it also appears your liberal. My experiene, 34 years in the Military.
I’ve had stop loss pulled on me when Afghanistan was first beginning. I understood the nature of the cause and did not whine. Hollywood needs to realize that most military members are not pussy’s like they are.
Some in here have written that if you are stop lossed that the military violated its contractual agreement, not so. When you enlist itis part of the contract you willingly signed that this could occur. It happens in peacetime also, although it doesnt get the publicity. Sure it sucks, but all part of the contract one signed when they enlisted. Maybe read the contract before you signed it, my recruiter let me take the thing home and read it over night before i signed, i was well aware of everything i was agreeing to. So yes this movie will flop, and maybe hollywood will get it and stop making them with anti American themes. The exec even admitted it wouldnt do well and produced it anyway. So it appears Hollywood is more than willing to do an anti American movie even at a loss to show their hatred
Hollywood’s anti-americanism is just another symptom of the sickness pervading what was once the Democratic party. I lost all respect for Democrats when they started moving to Canada whenever things don’t go their way. That’s just pathetic – how do you possibly expect to be considered patriotic if you flee the country whenever you don’t get what you want? Go have your little moral temper tantrums somewhere else, you defeatist fools. Say what you want about Republicans, but at least they don’t throw in the towel and move to another nation when the going gets tough. And, surprise surprise, what characteristics have come to reflect the fair-weather Democrats? Spinelessness, defeat, and abject cowardice. Bill Clinton spent 8 years studiously avoiding anything that might require the use of force, with the net result that we got hit with 9/11. Think about it: first they shot our diplomants. Bill did nothing. Then they blew up our embassies. Bill did nothing. Then they blew up our warships. Bill did nothing. Then they drove a truck bomb into the WTC. Bill did nothing.
Democrats remind me of Ned Flanders’ useless beatnik parents: They’ve already tried “nothing” – and now they’re all out of ideas.
Al, great video link…thanks
When Martin Luther nailed his 95 Theses to the door at Wittenberg, was he anti-Christian? Catholics said yes. But Protestants considered his attempt to reform a hopelessly corrupt church the most pro-Christian action he could have taken.
When you love something, and think it’s being handled incorrectly, you do something about it. And I have a news flash for those of you who use the phrase “anti-American” so casually. If those of us on the left didn’t care about this country, we’d have kept our mouths shut while the Bush administration drove it into the ground.
We really need a military that is mostly conscripts except the officer and senior NCO ranks.
Of course our current volunteer military is pro military, why wouldn’t it be? Most people that volunteer for the football team tend to enjoy football to. No big mystery there.
An obligation to server your country a minimum of 2 or maybe 3 years between 18 and 24 years old would be a good thing. Very few exceptions, grossly handicapped either physically or mentally would exempt you, we could make those with criminal records stay back and clean trails in parks or something, not give them automatic weapons and advanced training.
A conscripted army would change a lot, it would also better reflect all segments of American society.
We had lots of conscripts in the Civil War, WW1, WW2, Korea and Vietnam. And no we did not lose a single major battle to the Vietnamese ever, we just quit and went home. The soldiers did a good job RA or USA.
We americans don’t like reality, we want fantasy & escapism – exactly why so many on this board want a positive fluffy american war film. So you can have it – and live in a daydream.
Stop loss is a flop because it’s based on a reality no one wants to hear about.
Stop loss is happening to many. It is a reality that needs to be told to all potential ‘volunteers’. this is something that is not told to recruits when they are being pursued. They are told they’ll get great education, great experience, and a service of 4 YEARS active duty, not limitless. We have a stop loss because this war is so screwed up & draining our resources.
I’m a Conservative but I don’t understand what invading Iraq has to do with defending the US.
You had better watch a 9-11 doc like “Loose Change”
http://www.laughingpond.com/
to realize Muslim radicals had nothing to do with 9-11.
It’s one thing to love your country; it’s another to be manipulated and exploited by your own patriotism.
What about all of these liberals who pay $11 for their cup of coffee at Starbucks and who love Obama so much? They probably love this movie.
Lets see…anti-American/troops movies like Lions for Lambs, Redacted, etc have all been flops, while pro American movies like Saving Private Ryan were much better recieved. When will those elitists in Hollywood realize that most Americans are tired of their country being criticized for everything? It’s literally at a point where the Iraqi’s we’re fighting against are being shown in a better light in more movies than our own troops.
Comment by Ganymede — March 29, 2008 @ 8:39 am
Wow, another very poignant statement made by a representative of the highly educated Liberals.
To paraphrase for us ignorant conservatives; “We Liberals will spend millions of dollars on a movie product catering to other liberals knowing full well those same group of liberals will not go see said film.”
Your right, you should run the government. So the rest of the country can look like Baltimore. And yes, more US citizens have been killed in California, about the same size and makeup of Iraq, since the war began. That would be approximately 265% more.
The Iraq war movies are not doing well because one can watch all about it on the television news. And read about it on alternative news sites on the internet.
The Iraq war is based upon lies and fabrication. Our very own vice president when told that 70% of the people in this country do not feel this war was worth it replied, ” So.”
The U.S. military has been used for an aggression that only benefits the elite powers that be.
Oh yeah. Before you brand me a ‘ lefy or a liberal.’ I am a registered republican.
Fuck Hollywood!
Response to statements:
“Lack of self-criticism is anti-American”
This is a statement made by a born loser. You cannot win without self confidence.
“You conservatives are fucking stupid. No one wants to see an Iraq War movie because A MAJORITY OF THE COUTNRY IS AGAINST THE WAR!!!”
So the media polls tell us…the same polls that said John Kerry was going to be winner in the early morn or the last Presidential election. Sorry, I don’t believe polls or the MSM that is so enamored with Barack “white man’s greed” Obama.
I love some of the comments here by liberals, they lash out with every imaginable stereotype against what they call “right wingers” when in fact they are lashing out against their own country. Some of these moronic mis-educated fools try to credit their college “education” as an end all to any argument. Lib: It’s not our fault that you were brain-washed to hate our country. I have a real masters degree from a highly rated university and I still don’t hate my country. Guess what? I don’t even own a bible, but I know trash when I see it.
Gary – you are entitled to your opinion, but it is just that your opiniion. You do not speak for all vets, nobody does. I am not a vet, but have friends in the war who believe in what they are doing and have served just about everywhere, from Bosnia to Iraq. I have never heard any of them complain, in fact they are proud of their service and their country. You can have an all volunteer military. That is in fact what makes ours the best. A draft would only bring in unequipped people to the military.
I am grateful that you served our country, but I agree anti American films are just the left wing extremists trying to force their socialist agenda on society, nothing more, nothing less. That statement is fact and cannot be disputed.
Honest to God, if another film company or critic cries about box office for Iraq War films I will pop my cork.
As with most of the comments here, Hollywood just doesn’t get it. What we are sick of is the leftist, Soros, anti-American, insulting, inacccurate garbage posing as “art”. Blech.
Fight the terrorists who hate us and want us dead. Show that America is great, our military is great, and does the things that it takes to protect freedom even when the liberal idiots don’t get it, and we can have a $300 million blockbuster war movie
“AMERICANS SUPPORT THE WAR!
NOT evidence of this:
1) George W. Bush’s approval ratings”
If I came to your work place and trash talked you to your boss and you weren’t able to defend yourself you’d have a low standing too, provided I came across like an “authority” on you.
“2) Poll after poll indicating up to 2/3rds of Americans want a troop pullout”
Sorry, I don’t believe polls put out by a biased media.
“3) The Democrats taking control of Congress in 2006″
Most were conservative Democrats who to date have had no affect on congress. Have you forgotten we are still in Iraq? Have you seen their “polls”?
“4) Support of the war considered one of John McCain’s greatest liabilities among independent voters”
Refer to my response to #2 in regard to media.
“5) The popularity of books critical of war planning”
If one is to understand one’s enemy they should study them. Read the Koran lately?
You people miss the point completely. It’s the overseas market that is driving Hollywood these days. They could care less what the US audience has to say concerning their leftist movies. They have strong appeal in foreign countries. So if badmouthing the US makes them two to three times as much in foreign markets as they can in the domestic market, we’ll continue to see these types of movies being made. Why do you think most of the anti-American quotes made by Hollywood types are from the foreign press? They love them because they can be used as propaganda to strengthen their own leftist governments.
Why are all of these hippies posting? Go die somewhere please, we’re sick of you and your self-indulgent generation, do you get it? We don’t care about you!
all of these right-wing idiots say the exact same thing over and over again. Maybe you should get an education and try thinking for yourselves.
As an ex-soldier and after treating too many psych patients at the VA, I feel qualified to say that most free-thinking intelligent soldiers are against this war. Get a clue people. A large volume of repetitive posts spewing idiotic propaganda garbage only makes you all look dumber.
I didnt see the movie because the trailers looked boring. It had nothing to do with my thoughts about the war.
This thread really shows the power of the Drudge Effect as far as number of posters.
Why did “Black Hawk Down” do so well? The overall situation wherein the movie was set was even more screwed-up than Iraq. Simple: Because the movie portrayed the sad and heroic story of the people who fought and died and lived under the most extreme of circumstances. Hollywood’s current crop of crap simply puts some pretty people in front of us on a screen to emote yet another screed against Bush, the US, and most everything that is not leftist-American. I don’t know why they even bother with a cast – they could save a lot of money and just have their screed scroll down the screen with a burning American flag as the background. They would make no less money.
Stop Loss has been used since the Civil War. It was used in WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, GW1 , Bosnia etc.
I’m a retired Army vet. You don’t like the terms, you don’t sign the contract. It’s that simple.
Our government is broken. I love how you guys quickly call anyone who doesn’t support you “Anti-American”. What makes you any more American than the rest of us? If you say that supporting your government 100% regardless of right or wrong is being American than you need to brush up on your history; this government was built on the pre-tense that everything should be heavily debated.
Anyone who cannot see that this war was a mistake is blind. Yes, only 4 thousand US troops have died; less people than happened in 9/11. But these are not our only causalities.
cas·u·al·ty /ˈkæʒuəlti/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[kazh-oo-uhl-tee] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -ties.
1. Military.
a. a member of the armed forces lost to service through death, wounds, sickness, capture, or because his or her whereabouts or condition cannot be determined.
b. casualties, loss in numerical strength through any cause, as death, wounds, sickness, capture, or desertion.
Current our wounded is up in the 110k range! Oh Noes though, it must be anti-american to mention that fact that it sucks that such a large percentage of our brothers and sisters going off to war are coming back mentally or physically handicapped. Or the fact that we are paying them mcdonalds wages to give up their lives and fight in a war. Or the fact that we are turning around and doubling the length of their campaigns.
I’m not saying we should pull-out immediately either, that’s the sad part. We can’t, we’ve created a terrorist haven. If there’s one thing that was good about Saddam he didn’t like terrorists because they threatened to take power away from him.
So in summary, we went riding high on the wave of anti-terrorism, put our country into a recession while damaging our military heavily only to create what will likely end up a terrorist state.
If fact based opinions are anti-American, then I guess Stop-Loss as well as all of these others movies trying to bring to light are anti-American too.
Real Americans are “staying away in droves”!
Mamet has shown you the way Hollywood.
Show some fortitude. Follow this muse.
“Interesting comments… I don’t think Hollywood is out of touch – they just happen to be ahead of many of you. The millions of Democrats that are so engaged during this election (go Obama!!!) are very much the audience for this film. In particular it will appeal to the more educated segment of the U.S. – not all are capable of seeing any faults with their own country as it involves a little more self confidence and a familiarity to conduct a little research (a handy little skill you pick up in college). The movie will do great in the long run.
Don’t dumb down movies to appeal to the idiotic masses – that’s what there are movies like Die Hard or Saw 5.”
Well salcido I don’t think talking down to people is a way sway their opinion. Do you hold in contempt those who have not completed a college education? Do you see yourself as being surperior? Am I to assume that you view the “idiotic masses” so unintelligent that they cannot discern when they are being insulted? With such a feeling of elitism and superiority, I am surprised that you are not supporting Hillary. Jackass…yeah, how’s that for a response?
I hope that all the readers of this thread notice how the majority of the liberal Marxist commentors devolve to name calling and belittling the posters motives.
Thats the lib way. Do not argue facts, just name call.
That being said, in no way does Hollywood get a dime of my money for this trash.
Like most of the commentors, I purposefully see movies that have a positive message about this country.
May God bless our troops and the families of the dead and injured.
Hollywood is well aware that films like, Valley of Elah, Stoploss, Jarhead, etc., will not make money. They don’t care about that. The newspapers don’t care that they are taking losses. Pushing the goals of communism in America is all they care about.
Here is a partial list of the Common Goals of Communism in America as of 1963:
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U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the U.S. would be a demonstration of moral strength.
Permit free trade between all nations regardless of communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
Provide American aid to all nations regardless of communist domination.
Set up East West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev’s promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.S.
Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the United Nations.
Promote the United Nations as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.
Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
Do away with loyalty oaths.
Capture one or both of the political parties in the U.S.
Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current communist propaganda.
Get control of the teachers associations.
Gain control of all student newspapers.
Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.
Gain control of key positions in radio, TV and motion pictures.
Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them censorship and a violation of free speech and free press.
Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures and TV.
Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as normal, natural and healthy.
Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with social religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a religious crutch.
Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principles of separation of church and state.
Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the grounds that it was only a minor part in the big picture.
Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the communist apparatus.
Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents.
Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American traditions; that students and special interest groups should rise up and use united force to solve economic, political and social problems.
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Maybe now you have a little more insight as to what Hollywood is doing. We may have taken down the Soviets, but not before they were able to inject the virus of communism into our society.
In the words of a very wise man
“Hollywood needs a nice big cup of shut-the-Fuck-UP!”
ANON Quote
I love the write up on Stop Loss. My favorite line was “No one wants to see Iraq war movies. No matter what we put out there in terms of great cast or trailers, people were completely turned off. It’s a function of the marketplace not being ready to address this conflict in a dramatic way because the war itself is something that’s unresolved yet. It’s a shame because it’s a good movie that’s just ahead of its time.”
How about a little reality. Noone wants to see an “Anti-Iraq War movie”. When are the people of Hollywood going to get in touch with America. Make us movies that entertain! We are more than capable of thinking for ourselves. Put this POS in the same “single facing” space in Blockbuster, and make another Die Hard.
The smart money guys in Hollywood are supposed to keep their finger on the pulse of society and make money by putting out compelling films which people want to see. Every Iraqi war/ political film with a liberal slant has lost money. Are these guys so ideologically driven that they are blinded to the losses? Or are they so removed from mainstream America so as to think they are reflecting the mainstream? Samuel Goldwyn made money and built the film industry by producing films that didn’t reflect his personal experience or backround but a home and hearth America and family. All one need do is look at the $100,000,000 recent films to see what still sells. National Treasure, Pirates, Harry Potter should be the template not Lions for Lambs. At some point the checkbook should control. Perhaps some insight is given by the Academy Award winners. Interesting to the film insiders but not big at the box office. The Film Industry is not as bright as it thinks it is.
To Jeff
Thank you for your response to me in a very respectful way.
And you are right, its only my opinion based on my experience and I do agree I do not speak for all vets.
I retired from the Military after 24 years from 63 to 87. Never in the worst of Vietnam did people act as Hollywood think they did, or should. The left is Histrionic as well as Co-dependent in their abnormal personality disorder as a Subculture. Why does Hollywood want to celebrate the negative and falsehood?
It draws from no experience or even an original thought. When one of them gets an idea or attention, they all follow in suit because their business is getting attention ANY WAY THEY CAN. Even negative attention is some attention.
Any argument about morality from this group is like a serial killer bragging that they gave to charity. Select the morality, and a sin, and forget all the rest. This is like the same serial killer talking about cruel and unusual punishment. Then use Cognitive Dissidence to explain away why NO person cares to pay to see a lie. What needs to happen is that introspection into the left’s hatred, needs to take place. Then face reality and truth about themselves as to why they think they need that much attention to exist, and why they keep trying to play god…!
Hollywood will soon be replaced by the internet and independent films anyway…don’t sweat it.
Hey NSR, I served three years active duty in the United States Navy. What did YOU do for your country?
1972 – 1975
USS John S McCain DDG-36
San Diego, Calif.
All the panty waist Liberals in Hollywood expect me… a real man to give them money for a movie that is a total lie. And if I don’t go give my money and see it then they say I dont understand something… I would like to meet any of them on a battlefield just once and shake some sense into their pea brain. Then they would understand the true meaning of FREEDOM and PATRIOTISM istead of TURN TAIL AND RUN. If MEN DONT FIGHT THEY DIE. And they would die first, because I know how to kill an enemy and not lay down for them. Screw all you PINKO LIBS! Move somewhere else….
“You had better watch a 9-11 doc like “Loose Change””
That about says it all about you…whackjob.
Tell me CT nutter, did the US really put men on the moon?
If Hollwierd wants to make anti American war movies then they should take all the America hating movie stars and directors to the Middle East. Give all the terrorist a big hug and make movies with them. Hollwierd you have been out of step with America after the Vietnam war. No I am not advocating war but I’ll be damn if I am going to sell out my country for a few rounds of cheap applauses and pop corn.
When will Hollywood wake up and give us a new John Wayne?
I want to say thank you to all the support. For the continual ripping of the left wing idiots. They are clueless. I am so proud of all of you for speaking up against hollywood/lib idiots…..you made 20+ years 3 wars all worth it !!!!!!!!
Transformers was very pro-military and it was a huge money maker. Get a clue Hollywood!
http://www.bothinonetrench.com
If Hollwierd wants to make anti American war movies then they should take all the America hating movie stars and directors to the Middle East. Give all the terrorist a big hug and make movies with them. Hollwierd you have been out of step with America after the Vietnam war. No I am not advocating war but I’ll be damn if I am going to sell out my country for a few rounds of cheap applauses and pop corn.
If Hollywood would try being honest in their portrayel of the US military they would do much better. According to Hollywood, every soldier is either a crazed sociopath or a poor uneducated victim. That’s just not the way it is.
The other issue with this movie, and all Irag war movies, is something that Hollywood is too stupid to understand, but the American people can see clearly. If we pull out of Iraq now we’ll be leaving a civil war and chaos in our wake. There will be genocide by the Shiite Muslims against the Sunni Muslims and thousands will be slaughtered in the streets. That’s why 60% of the US population is against the war, but only 20% want us to get out now. They’re smart enough to see the reality of the situation.
Even if Obama or Hillary win, we’ll be in Irag for years to come. It doesn’ matter what campaign promises they make about withdrawal, they won’t abandon 25 million Iraqi people at the gates of hell.
Frightening Ignorance:
“The depth of ignorance in this country explains how Bush got elected [In 2004. In 2000, his daddy’s Supreme Court gave it to him.]”
Actually this comment serves to underscore your point, in that it shows your ignorance of the electoral process. (BTW, you didn’t mention how the Florida Supreme Court wrongfully and unconstitutionally tried repeatedly to overstep its authority in a matter that was firmly under the aegis of the Florida legislature, and that their decision was badly flawed and unsupportable, which was why it was immediately overturned by the U.S. Supreme Court. Or exactly why you feel that it was his “daddy’s” Supreme Court? Name Bush Sr. appointees who voted to overturn the Florida court decision?)
At any rate, had the U.S. Supreme Court chosen not to hear the case, a motion would have been introduced in Congress to void the results of the Florida election by refusing to recognize their Electors. The matter would have been resolved by the House of Representatives, in which, at the time, Republicans held a significant majority. Bush at no time was in danger of not becoming President.
The reason he won the election was because he won the popular vote in Florida. After each “revised” recount (hanging chads and so forth), his margin of victory increased.
People who continue to claim that Gore won the 2000 election are either ignorant or merely perversely spiteful in attempting to perpetuate this myth. They are liars.
I don’t even go to movies anymore because they generally portray the lowest of values, glorify the gay lifestyle, and are subtly or outright anti american and trash the euro-male.
Well, at least MTV films has excellent European cinema revenues to look forward to with “Stop-Loss”. That should give those bleeding heart, obscenely rich, Prius driving douche bags enough cash to keep the punch bowl full of cocaine at the next big shindig.
David – X Soldier,
Thank you for serving next to me. But you are missing the larger point – with the exception of the PVT or 2nd LT, no one wants to face war and the possible loss of one’s own life or the loss of a friend. We do it because we agreed to, it is that simple. We go back because we don’t want anyone else leading our men or do not want to be part of LOSING A WAR! You know this, you work with these men and woman that are battered and broken, but WANT TO GO BACK. I work with a young man that lost a leg (he is at Walter Reed), he wants to go back to BUDS or at least go back. MOST, not ALL, of the young men and woman with him WANT TO GO BACK to WIN.
We are not right-wing nuts – you know this. We joined for the adventure and education, we re-enlisted because we learned something that the public education system failed to teach us – our history and the beauty of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution – what true sacrifice meant to our forefathers. When we served overseas, we saw first-hand what crappers Europe and the rest of the world have become and we learned to LOVE OUR COUNTRY. When she was attacked due to our weakness shown in Somalia (I was part of TF RANGER) when a fully operational force was taken off the field after meeting our stated goal of taking down 24 PC’s (due to socialist weakness and the ignorance of the press), we were outraged and wanted some payback. The traditional war was a walk in the park, but we all realized building two nations from the dirt and sand of the middle ages was a difficult challenge; one with many set backs and victories. We all would love to walk away from those holes and let them kill themselves, BUT they have demonstrated a propensity to come here and kill our civilians. This we cannot abide and will continue to enlist and re-enlist until we leave their bodies buried along side the pigs for which they are equaled.
Airborne! – dive-dive!
I dare anyone in Hollywood, who is responsible for all these hate-America first films that they excrete, to read all the postings above and not see that they have a sickness. It is a sickness of the mind of the same kind that they blame republicans and/or conservatives of having…where they all think alike and drink deeply from the same tired old socialist kool-aid. Hey Hollywood: you represent america to the world — try getting it right for a change! I am so embarassed by the drivel that they spew out on a good day, much less when they TRY to hurt America. It’s like they want to be accepted by the hate-America Euro-trash so much that they have sold out their own country. Sad.
I support the filmmakers. To that end, I believe they should stop making films, because this will only lead to box-office rejection. As a non-filmmaker, but a college educated one, I know for a fact how terrible life is for filmmakers to be exploited by international corporations for the purpose of promoting their greed. Filmmaking immorally attracts only stupid people who didn’t work hard in school and so got “stuck” in the movie business. It’s not their fault they make bad movies; and the only rational, moral solution is to STOP ENDLESS FILMMAKING NOW!
Hollywood has no interest in making a movie about Iraq. They are only interested in making movies about how they want you think about Iraq.
I did my 20 in the military so I’ve seen my share. Military personnel are just like the rest of the nation: Mostly good, hard working folks who want the best for the their families and their country. However, there are also losers, whiners, and criminals.
The media is never going to tell you all the good that has come from our presence and help in Iraq. That doesn’t sell controversy. They won’t tell you why we need a strong presence and a strong democratic friend in the Middle East. They want everyone ignorant and angry, tuned in to the new lies for the evening. I met several well known journalists in Somalia and I learned just how ignorant and opinionated they really are.
Ignore Hollywood and help your neighbor.
Funny how all you medicated folks with Bush Derangement Syndrome are so worried about how many have died in “this useless war” but could care less about how many thousands of women and children are killed each year by drunk drivers and lives destroyed by alcoholism. Take your phoney sincerity and your ZERO years of service to this country and flush it – the smell is atrocious.
wow….. I guess the 25% of people that still think GWB is doing a good job actually do have computers, and they all seem to be posting here.
I liked the movie, and it is a movie, not real life, but it seems like this group overall has confused reality with movie making. I guess that should not surprise me, they are believing the fairy tale in Iraq.
I find it ironic that all you anti-democratic, warmongering, irrational psychopaths are telling the majority of Americans who are fed up with this president and the lies of his wealth-hoarding party leaders to “leave this country if we don’t like it.” You all sound like you’d be more happy in a place without freedom for real ideas. Try the Middle East, and let the grown-ups have their democratic republic where we can discuss facts openly and not be bombarded with “HANG THE DIRTY HIPPIES! MAKE MOVIES WITH LOTS OF FLAG WAVING AND WHERE BROWN PEOPLE GET BLOWED UP! USA! USA!” Yeah, that’s patriotism alright. Tools.
To the guy who said Saddam hated terrorists, how are things in lala land? New, from the WSJ:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120631495290958169.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Five years on, few Iraq myths are as persistent as the notion that the Bush Administration invented a connection between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda. Yet a new Pentagon report suggests that Iraq’s links to world-wide terror networks, including al Qaeda, were far more extensive than previously understood.
Naturally, it’s getting little or no attention. Press accounts have been misleading or outright distortions, while the Bush Administration seems indifferent. Even John McCain has let the study’s revelations float by. But that doesn’t make the facts any less notable or true.
The redacted version of “Saddam and Terrorism” is the most definitive public assessment to date from the Harmony program, the trove of “exploitable” documents, audio and video records, and computer files captured in Iraq. On the basis of about 600,000 items, the report lays out Saddam’s willingness to use terrorism against American and other international targets, as well as his larger state sponsorship of terror, which included harboring, training and equipping jihadis throughout the Middle East.
http://www.bothinonetrench.com
If they did an Iraq movie about the hunt for Uday and Qsay it would be a hit but the leftist producers have their heads stuck up their asses. A story starting out with Qsay robbing the Iraqi central bank the day before the Iraq war to the final confrontation in the house where they are about to eat it, while having the story played out in the eyes of an army general who had the mission to catch them would make millions. But the idiot producers will never do it.
ZTedster, you can go one step farther. The Communist Party is ruling both houses of congress, President Bush, and all 50 states.
All of the blind patriotism and mindless drivel being espoused here is simply mind boggling.
Here’s a few facts for you
The majority of the active military things this war wasn’t a good idea and we should get the hell out. So are they all “un-american” too?
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?id=1075
I have a friend who was an Army MP in Iraq who signed up after 9/11. He had one of his buddies blown up in the seat next to him, sustained shrapnel wounds and has shot and killed teenagers (they were attacking his convoy so he had no choice). He’s now 22 years old and will be haunted by the hell he lived through for the rest of his life. And for what?
We are squandering our wealth for someone else’s cause
http://www.speaker.gov/blog/?p=714
With the amount of money spent on this war we could have solved literally all of our govts. current financial problems.
Our economy is in the crapper, our basic freedoms are being undermined by violations of civil liberties and we are sending our best and brightest into a pointless war but some of you dumbasses want to keep going down the same path.
I LOVE AMERICA, but if Americas voters dont pull their collective heads out of their asses, we will destroy ourselves. And it will be deserved.
“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”
Abraham Lincoln
Im tired of reading comments about Hollywood being out of touch and unamerican because it produces a movie about the stop loss policy. Its about time someone took a stand against this blatantly un-american procedure that has left thousands of soldiers with limited pay, few benefits, and 4 extra tours of duty after their contract to protect this country ended. There is nothing un-american in criticizing the breach of contract that any american other than our soldiers could sue about for millions. Its practically slavery. Being allowed to stand up for the right is what makes America great, not our powerful military. Thank you Hollywood for being American. 70% of Americans agree with you on the war (no that doesn’t mean we are ready to go to a movie about it.)
That Hollywood keeps churning out these awful and depressing motion pictures that depict America as the most despicable nation on the planet is astonishing. The sole purpose of these productions, ostensibly, is to “awaken the conscience of the American people to the evils of the Bush administration”, and in their deluded mindset, insist that we all share in their misguided views. I can remember earlier times when movies were made to entertain, make money , and not endlessly attempt to portray us all as stupid rednecks who cannot understand that Hollywood has our best interests at heart. They forget, we can and do exact our revenge by staying as far away from the box office as possible. Obviously, they are still not learning.
Hollywood should make a movie getting ride of the anti-American views that they think that America will buy from them. Name the movie “Stop Loss” because that is what they should do. I never go to see those anti-America movies no matter how great Hollywood back slapping people says it is. There dislike for their nation is going to bring the downfall of Hollywood, and you know what? I could care less. The people who financially back those ant-American movies love the limelight that they get in Europe, but are fools here in America because it is money down the tubes.
“If you’re 20 and not a liberal, you don’t have a heart. If you’re 30 and not a Conservative, you don’t have a brain.”
If everyone who is against the Iraq war is part of the “anti-American left” that means that the majority of the US population is part of the Anti-American left. I guess word of this development hasn’t filtered out yet to the militia training camps in the mountains or the local bars where drunken, pot-bellied louts cheer on Bush for causing the deaths of thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.
Stop-Loss was heavily sold on MTV (who produced it) from the angle of “joining the military will interfere and ruin your lives”. They tried to sell it from that angle by portraying young, attractive Americans just trying to have fun and romance but that darn military will not let you enjoy yourselves and just keep drawing you back after you thought you already served etc. and wow, I should have read my contract and done rudimentary research. It was aimed squarly at military recruiting with of course the usual anti-Bush and surrender in Iraq themes thrown in.
This attempt was a slight modification of the previous ones but still leftist and anti-American. It wasn’t enough to fool the kiddies though who have been bombarded with this crud for years now and have a good detection radar about these type of films and they do not want to see them.
Hollywood loves to portray the military as it views the military; and honestly is surprised when their view is not accepted. What is that definition of insanity -
“Contrary to what Hollywood film makers seem to think, Most Americans do support the war and the soldiers fighting it.”
This is a factually incorrect statement. The majority of Americans are against the war and believe Iraq was a mistake. That’s an actual real fact.
Also, I am perplexed by people calling the left anti-American. If they were truly anti-American wouldn’t they shut up and let America be destroyed rather than trying to save American lives?
The right wingers that have hijacked this thread are doing nothing but spitting pure hatred and venom. Why so angry?
Free Advice To Hollywood on How to Produce a Movie about an Unpopular War that Would Yield a Decent Box Office:
Mel Gibson
‘We Were Soldiers Once…’
Oh, wait, the troopers in that movie were neither psychopaths (’Redacted’) or pitiable victims (’everything else’). Wouldn’t make it past the pitch meeting, and the writers wouldn’t have clue, anyway.
Ever since 300 made mega dollars, Hollywood has refused to make a pro-war film for the masses. I credit 300 with changing the debate in America, which allowed the surge to go forward, which has now improved prospects in Iraq.
AirborneBubblehead – well said. No doubt there are some soldiers against the war; there are soldiers of all stripes, but I think anybody familiar with the military and the retention rates would argue your viewpoint. This is not Viet Nam, as much as some people wish it were. If you’d like to guest-blog, click on my name to get to my site. Drop me a line through the contact page. Airborne!
to GFM2008:
you are a blithering ignorant hater of America
I thought this was an industry site. Where did all of these right wing loons come from?
The Iraq themed movies are playing well with Americans because alot of American heroes are being ignored. Alot of American good deeds in Iraq are being ignored. Hollywood can’t seem to get that not everyone in this country is like them. This come from someone who lived in Hollywood for 5 years as well as several other cities in the country. I was astounded at how oblivious (or maybe the right word is numb) the Hollwood community is to the rest of the country.
Keep pumping out Superhero Movie, Scary Movie genre as well as the Horton hears a Who/Shrek stuff. We all still have a sense of humor. We’re just not into exacerbating our misery.
I have a great idea for a hollywierd movie that the whole other side of America would like to see! How about a realistic movie on WMDs going off in Boston, New York, San Francisco, and even Los Angles (including Hollywierd). The story could be islamic terrorists with the financial and technical assistance of Iran, destroying these left-wing sludge holes and how the rest of America simply says “Gee, Guess they got what they deserved.”
To David x-soldier, in response:
“As an ex-soldier and after treating too many psych patients at the VA, I feel qualified to say that most free-thinking intelligent soldiers are against this war.”
With this statement I lost all respect for you. As a retired disabled vet I can say that VA health care service does not gain you status with me.
The VA is a perfect example of what Hillary/Obama care will be; a bunch of government doctors shuttling ex-servicemen from department to department in order to justify all their existences but by the time the rounds are made the patient has had 0% treatment.
I seriously doubt true servemen confide their Iraq war opinions to you or any of your VA cronies.
For all of you liberals who think that there is no purpose for this war and think that the military are poor dumb people who are simply sheep, here a solution for you. Go to your enlightened, brave liberal representatives and senators and DEMAND that they end this war. If the war is SO wrong and the Democrats have the majority in Congress it should be no problem. So, where are they? Why aren’t they ending it? You poor pathetic slobs, If you think Obama or Hillary or any other liberal is going to be seen as the one that retreats from a war or wants to be held accountable for the slaughter that will follow, you are even bigger idiots than your choice of candidates suggest. Let’s see you get one of your candidates to give a hard solid date as to when they will end it. They won’t because they aren’t going to end it. They’re going to use this bilge to get you lemmings to vote for them and then afterward we’ll hear “Oh, it was worse than we thought” or “There were things that George Bush didn’t tell us” to explain them staying there. You people are children.
Conservatives hate America and are conspiring to bring down America economically with multibillion dollar insupportable wars
Conservatives hate the troops and are deliberately putting them in harm’s way to be murdered and maimed for a war manufactured by America-hating Americans
Re: “Stop-Loss”
Wanna know why Hollywood execs are just like the insane? Because they both repeat the same actions over and over again, vainly hoping they’ll get different results.
Oh well, we know we live in a great country when bonafide idiots make comfortable livings serving up verifiable tripe. Hell, if they were really as smart as they think they are, they’d just stick to porn–it’s more entertaining…and honest.
Too many conservative commentators on this post trying to put a positive gloss on a large-scale blunder. You can’t always cry patriotism on the part of soldiers to underscore this huge mistake. Frankly, there is not much positive to say about WAR.
First they have a string of flops depicting anti-american Iraq war themes. Now Oliver Stone will tackle an anti-Bush movie. I predict it too will be a flop.
Al Gore is our true President
Bush will always be history’s fake president
We still have troops in Bosnia but HoWood doesn’t make any hitpiece hate America movies about that. Why? It’s ideology, stupid! Bosnia is Clinton’s war i.e. a Democrat war. The war on terror is Bush’s war i.e. a Republican war. So they are not really anti-war, they are simply anti Republican, Christian, conservative, patriot, America. That’s why, when there is a Republican president, the only soldiers Democrats love are dead soldiers so they can use the body count to promote their political agenda. Frakin commies.
The basic premise behind the move Stop Loss is wrong.
Stop loss is not and was not a violation of anybodys enlistment contract. Its spelled out for every single soldier at enlistment that they can be held over for additional time or even called back to active service once they ETS.
The movie might do better if it hadnt been based on a lie in the first place.
It’s hilarious how the Bushies and the Obama-bots are exactly the same – they’re hysterical, shrill, self-righteous, blind followers, simpleton loonies who only see the world in a cartoonish us vs. them mentality
wow….look at all these comments so quickly entered. Looks like the ’silent majority’ is starting to clear it’s throat a little, eh? FINALLY!!
There is SO much evidence that the left-wing media is SO out of touch. Just take a look at print newspaper subscription trends…the ONLY one holding up is the Wall Street Journal. Just take a look at cable TV viewer trends…FOX CONSISTENTLY beat the heck out of the so-called ‘mainstream’ channels like MSNBC, etc.
I could not agree more with the comments speculating that if Hollywood really wanted a hit, instead of sending political messages, they should produce a (good) film showing true American Heroes, and casting a positive light on the vast majority of our good-intentioned people in uniform that are in the process of MAKING HISTORY BEFORE OUR EYES. But, alas, the short-sighted, negativity-obsessed liberals can only see things one way – their biased, wrong-headed condemnation of anything and anyone that doesn’t measure up to their elitist left-wing views of the world and our place in it. To them, ‘Proud to be an American’ is treated like ‘One Nation Under God’, and they would want it removed from our nations conscience forever. To that I say: ‘Up Yours’.
In WW2 Hollywood made movies promoting America & presenting the Axis of Evil as bad guys! America was proud to be America & right or wrong we took care of #1 (us!!).
If Hollyweird even attempted to make a pro American movie these days, the ACLU & their bed-buddies at CAIR wouldn’t let it even get out of the starting gates!
Look what’s happening on the other side of the world for that guy who produced a short film called “Fitna” … it’s anti “bad-guys”!! And these “bad-guys” threatened to kill its producer & the lives of anyone who broadcasts it even on the internet!! That’s the freedom Hollywood wants you to have by making movies like these!
If you don’t approve of what 90% of America believes in (talking to the minority 10%) .. go conquer your own country and make it what you want .. us 90% aren’t going down without a fight!!
The reason no Iraq war movie has done well is because they have all been anti-American themed, with the exception of The Kingdom (which tried to be somewhat neutral).
“It’s a function of the marketplace not being ready to address this conflict in a dramatic way because the war itself is something that’s unresolved yet. It’s a shame because it’s a good movie that’s just ahead of its time.”
Wow, just wow. How big of an ego and how much of a self-absorbed elitist do you need to be to make a statement like that?
Today’s Hollywood can’t make a pro-America, pro-democracy movie any more than Samuel Goldwyn could have made a movie like “Redacted”. They don’t think in any way, even remotely, in a way that would be able to produce such a movie. Hollywood is incapable of thinking that their politics might be wrong and they are never, ever going to change. You guys keep saying “make a pro-America movie and it’ll make money!” Yes, it would make money but Hollywood is insulated from the concepts of profit and loss by the huge conglomerates they are a part of. If anything, they’re a valuable tax write-off. They don’t have to make money and they can indulge their insulated richboy, nitwit cynicism for decades.
for all you retards that say stop loss isnt anti american . wake up. its slander against our military and just another oppertunity for Holly Weird to say “F**K YOU” to the president and America in general. You left wingers are retards.
When will you conservative people wake up and understand that liberals aren’t “anti-American.” We’re PRO-AMERICAN. Unjust wars, lies, innocent deaths, soldiers dying for nothing, and illegal military action are UN-AMERICAN. Bring the troops home now!
Look, Stop it with the “America Sucks” movies already. People don’t want to hear it. Some people on here have argued “It’s not Anti-American because it’s all true” … Look, whether it’s true or you believe it’s true, people don’t want to hear it.
It’s like telling someone their mother is ugly and then saying “I didn’t mean any offense, I was just telling the truth.”
You know what. Nobody’s mother is ugly and Americans love America no matter how much you might think it sucks.
Do you Hollywood’ers want to make money or do you want to spend all you money trying to convince us that our mother is ugly.
You’re going to go broke and we’re going to get p’d off.
“Anti-American Left”?
I am as left winged as they come and I love my country.
Loving a tyrant that has destroyed our currency our markets and our military does not make you an American it makes you a tool.
And from what I gather this country is full of them.
I’ve just got to laugh. What planet do these movie reviewers hail from? Iraq movies tank becuae they are all, for the most part, anti American and most Americans are not. Why can’t someone just make an Iraq war movie portraying America for what it really is…. unique and decent and the best thing to come down the pike of human history since Eden.
If it means much, films that don’t do well at the Box Office will most likely do well on DVD and on future media. This could very well be the case.
Not quite “Citizen Kane,” but perhaps a time capsule find for 50 years from now?
“When will you conservative people wake up and understand that liberals aren’t “anti-American.” We’re PRO-AMERICAN. Unjust wars, lies, innocent deaths, soldiers dying for nothing, and illegal military action are UN-AMERICAN. Bring the troops home now!”
John, you fail to understand that actions always speak louder than words.
Well, this was linked from the Drudge Report, so the comments are not surprising. The article’s analysis is right and the commenter’s are wrong. I’m liberal, against the war, opposed to the President and don’t want to see a movie on the Iraq War. A lot of impressive casts have floated by and I’ve yet to watch any of them, even on video. It’s because it’s too current and the topic, too divisive. It’s a poor situation and I’d rather watch a movie that didn’t remind me of it.
Anything that us average Americans see as the least bit non-patriotic turns us off completely, If we want to see anti-government screed, we’ll watch the news. If there was a positive movie focusing on the patriotism, valor, and humanitarianism of our soldier’s, than you can bet it would be a blockbuster.
Hmm,
Hollywood continues to put out anti-war films that lose money.
They don’t learn from their mistakes.
They insist they are right and America doesn’t understand.
They vow to continue against all rational analysis to the contrary.
And ironically what is it they want us to believe?
That America is fighting a losing war.
That we don’t learn from our mistakes.
That we insist we are right despite evidence to the contrary.
And we vow to continue fighting despite rational analysis.
saw Stop-loss last night. excellent film. President Bush should be ashamed of himself.
Comment by Debra — March 29, 2008 @ 6:36 am
This broad has the IQ of a duck.
Stop Loss is a legitimate part of a military contract. Every enlistee is told about it. This whole notion that it “isn’t fair” is ridiculous. No one put a gun to anyone’s head and made them join the military. It is made very clear to everyone joining the military that EVERY enlistment for EVERY branch of service is 8 years. So if you do a two year contract, you spend 6 sears in the IRR (Inactive Ready Reserve). EVERY contract specifies that you can be pulled out of the IRR at any point, hence the concept of Stop Loss. Any member of the military that bitches about this is a moron. The signed on the line and raised their hand to serve. Soldiers don’t get to choose which wars to fight in. When you join the military you are volunteering to enforce policy, not dictate it.
-Mark
Iraq Veteran (OIF III)
John,
If both chambers of Congress vote for a bill and the president signs it, it is called a law – it is not illegal. You insult all of us when you make such ignorant statements. We are not fighting an illegal war, you ASS! I am not taking part in an illegal action. If I were, I am a criminal – thanks for the support, pal! An enterprise acting illegally falls under RICO – are you saying that Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, and BARAK OBAMA are part of an illegal enterprise? Yes, Obama, he voted for continued funding – he would be an accessory after the fact. You people amaze me – the illegal war thing was wrong when it was first coined IN THE 60’s. Hi, were in the 21st century now.
Supporting the troops, but not the war means you want us to lose. To lose, that means more of us have to die – IDIOT!
Please, keep your support.
Look how good Transformers, a relatively pro-military movie did in the box office.
The Pink Mafia in Hollywood has tried for years to sell the “America is a big bad homophobic bully” agenda in the movies, with films like Platoon, Jarhead and now Stop-loss. If you are a screenwriter and had a script about two gay soldiers (or a whole platoon) who wanted to have gay weddings while on the front lines, with lots of graphic gay sex scenes, they would be beating down your door to make the film. People are tired of the drivel coming out of the movie industry, which is why so many indie films do so well. We don’t want to be preached to, especially after paying $10 for it.
It is important to understand that anti-american movies like stop loss are not made for the theater money. They are made to be shown on cable channels over and over and over until every American, especially young Americans have been exposed to the propaganda repeatedly. Ask yourself why the environmently themed action movies of Steven Segal get shown ad-nauseum ? The movies suck, Steve Segal sucks, but the leftist media love the America is run by evil nature destroyers and good people fight against America – basic marxist propaganda.
Sorry, I didn’t realize that I had stumbled upon a Fox News message board.
“It’s hilarious how the Bushies and the Obama-bots are exactly the same – they’re hysterical, shrill, self-righteous, blind followers, simpleton loonies who only see the world in a cartoonish us vs. them mentality”
And then there are the those who “sit on the fence” and watch it all. These people are the so called moderates that, because they have no principals, cannot form an opinion other than that they think they are superior to others.
Not just guests from Drudge…Hot Air linked here too. So much spleen! So little time! To all posting who keep mentioning “Lone Survivor,” calm down…it IS being made into a movie. It was an amazing book, and I hope they do it well. I understand the frustrations of those who see all the Iraq movies being anti war, but consider this: If Hollywood DID make a pro-America rah-rah propaganda fest a la the films of WWII, wouldn’t you all just condemn it as being made purely for profit since you’re convinced the movie industry is made up solely of troop hating commies?
“Passion of the Christ”, “Ben Hur”, “King of King”. Hollywood is always shocked to find that America is not anti religious either. There is nothing wrong with an anti-war movie; as long as it’s a good movie and it doesn’t depict America as the Monster. The propaganda movies of WWII got a little silly after a while. The phrase “unpopular war” drives me crazy. Since when has there been a popular war.
Hollywood hates America, that’s all.
Yeah, we need another Leni Riefenstahl to make the Iraq war film America really wants.
huh? 330 comments on a posting here on DHD—all full of right wing invective?
oh, that’s right—it’s an election year and the far right shock troops are out, making the internet safe for reactionary thought again…
do you all think that no one sees what you are doing?
f*ck hollywood.
We get it. You hold folks like me in utter contempt. Pro freedom, pro market, pro traditional values. We don’t think movies about gay sheepherders are “deeply emotive and classical celebrations of the human spirit.” We sneer at dismissive sneers that the reason the latest “the military creates monsters” flick doesn’t get any public viewing is because we “aren’t ready yet” for it. We *ARE* ready. We just hate it…., and you.
Go buggar yourselves, hollywood.
If tinseltown is so in touch with John Q Public, then how thier Anti-Iraq films aren’t making money? This has been consistant pattern if the directors are trying to sway public opioin. And that’s not working. Even with the documentries that get limited releases. A very anti-Iraq films got nominated for oscars. But I would rather see 21 than anti-iraq film that expresses opinion or try to sway it becouse they don’t want to show the facts right. The more they get it wrong in the storytelling the more anti-iraq films,films that are sympathetic with fanatical terrorists,the smart public isn’t going to buy a ticket.
How about a movie about the herosim of the American troops in Iraq. Show the evil they are up against and the courage being displayed by our troops. Don’t hold your breath. Hollywierd is infected with anti-American scum. The more money they lose the better I feel.
When Republicans see Truth, they immediately call it Anti-American. They’d rather hide from the truth than face it. Wimps.
I saw Stop-Loss last night – I dislike films that are considered “anti-war” or “anti-American” however this film was really neither of those. I think this film was well made, the actors played very realistic characters and really, there was more pro-war, pro-American themes than the opposite. The soldiers in the movie love their country and love the Army. One soldier just didn’t want to leave home again, one day after finishing his first two tours – hundreds and hundreds of troops I’m sure have felt that way. Most didn’t go AWOL I’m certain, but I think there was a lot of honesty there. Don’t judge what you think this film is about until you see it… I’ll probably pay the $9 to see it again in the theater, and then buy it once it comes out. Great cast!
Some liberal-minded poster said that the war in Iraq is “an absolute wrong”. Now one of the defining characteristics of liberals is that they deny the existence of any absolute truths; unless they be the ones they make up whenever they need one. C’mon people: the war might be relatively wrong but surely not absolutely wrong!
I think war is a really bad thing and would prefer not to have any but are you liberals saying we should let those who want to kill us do so without resistance? Is there anything on earth worth fighting to the death about? These are the deciding issues. Should the aggressive inherit the earth? Should the Darwinian conqueror rule over the rest? Should true Christians turn the other cheek and let themselves be slaughtered without any attempt to fight back? Should liberals do likewise because “all life is sacred” and “if someone wants to kill me I won’t sink to the same level; I will go submissively”? I have a pretty hard time thinking about letting people who believe in beheading men, women and children work their way to our shores and find my house where my family lives. If they play that game in their own country, what will they do when and if they come to mine?
the majority of americans are not anti-military…being here in hollywood, i a attest that the vast majority of people in the film industry,”don’t get it”. make a film, with american heroes, who are fighting our enemies (yes we do have them) and fighting for the freedoms of those less fortunate than we and you will see box office profits. t isn’t any diffrent than making “G” rated films…they make more $…get with the “program” hollyweird.
Movie Review’s by Barry Hussien O.
Stop-Loss is a movie about a liberal guy who wanted to serve his country, but then found out he actually was commited to something he did not understand, which is common since most liberal kids barely know how to read and think for themselves, that’s why I am so popular with the pot heads, anyway, this child of elightenment forgets to actuall read the fine print in his contract with America and therefore is forced to choose between fulfilling his commitments or ending up in prison or even being on the lam, he choose the lam and finds all sort of hot liberal babes that can’t wait to bed him, because that’s all the liberal babes know how to to beside being shrill and American hating and serving up some tofu cobler, anyway, this young son of a CHE gets as much ass as he can handle because ironically all liberal girls know about safe sex, eh Ashley Dupree which they were taught in school by their communist handlers and are essentially all a bunch of Ashley Dupree’s except in the movie they provide a service to the young Lenin-grad for much less than Spitzer had to pay for, or even his blind replacement.
Thanks, I hope this tells you all you need to know about this wonderful flick = Stop-loss.
Barry Hussein O. I really am a Muslim posing as a Christian.
Hey, not for nothing, but you guys are aware that 9/11 and Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with each other, right? Bin Laden hated Hussein because Hussein was a secularist who didn’t follow orthodox Sunni Islam like bin Laden does.
Additionally, although I support our troops in Iraq, I think its only fair for everyone to recognize the bs we’d been fed. First it started out as a mission to get rid of WMDs. Then when we realized there weren’t any, it was to get rid of Saddam Hussein/ MAKE THE WORLD SAFE FOR DEMOCRACY! Come on guys. Get a grip. You can (and should) support the troops and honor their successes, but you should also realize when we’ve been faked out by a government that really dropped the ball on the reasons for going in.
OMG LIBERULES ARE SO LAAAAAEM I LOVE THE TROOPS THEY SHOULD BE STOP LOSSED BUT I DONT WANNA JOIN
ID RATHER PLAY HALO I HEAR ITS LIKE FIGHTIGN IN IRAQ
I am a 28-year licensed stockbroker in Arizona. It is extremely gratifying and quite a relief to see so many posts supporting America. Having to watch these liberal Hollywood elites bash America at any chance they get is quite disturbing and tiresome. I know I am done with Hollywood. When they speak their lips move, but I can’t hear what their saying. Frankly, I don’t care what they are saying. Thank you for reigniting my hope in America!!!
When are these friggin’ idiots in Hollywood going to get it?!?! Yes, that’s a rhetorical question.
CLUE TO HOLLYWOOD IDIOTS: NO ONE IS GOING TO SEE YOUR IRAQ MOVIES BECAUSE THEY ARE MOONBAT ANTI-WAR FILMS THAT INVARIABLY DENIGRATE OUR TROOPS!
Give me a $40 million budget and let me pick the script. I’ll find you a pro-war movie where our soldiers are the good guys and the enemy are actually (GASP!) Muslim Jihadis!!!. I’ll find one that shows our soldiers as self-sacrificing heroes and the jihadis as the brutal, fanatical animals they are.
350 million in three weeks. Guaranteed.
Didn’t you morons in Hollywood learn anything from the success of “300″?! It was a perfect allegory of the West vs. the Islamofascists, and the public both understood it and ate it up, and that’s why it did gonzo box-office. You left wing idiots in Hollywood will never get it. Keep sucking up the millions of dollars in losses at the box office with your anti-war crap. It isn’t that the country doesn’t want Iraq war movies, it’s that the COUNTRY DOESN’T WANT ANTI IRAQ WAR MOVIES!
Some producer and studio, somewhere, are going to finally figure it out, and they’re going to make a bundle when they do.
teen stupids / moronic numbskullery / relentless violence / brain-dead audiences that find this drek ‘entertainment’…….Hollywood, you’re a real winner! Keep ladling out the sewage into this cultural sinkhole called America! There’s a rising tide of under-educated, undiscriminating proto-human dimbulbs, broke-dicks and losers who will lap it up forevermore!
Guess what. I am deployed. Right now. Guess what else. I was inactive reserves, called, back, and stop-lossed. And you know what else? I just put in papers for a second extension, giving me three tours. And I may extend again. And know what? I’ll stay as long as they need me. This is my country.
If you want to whine about being in a crucial MOS then for God’s sake sign up to be a cook. But if you are in an MOS which is critical to the war effort, you are most likely proud to be here.
So the Army is stretched thin. What is YOUR solution? I just volunteered for another year as my solution.
Hollywood can make a movie that would encourage recruitment. Top Gun, Crimson Tide, Full Metal Jacket, Heartbreak Ridge, heck even Private Benjamin…. They can do it, they choose not to. They try to put politics ahead of their jobs. Well it hits them in the pocket book.
They will be paupers on the streets and still not understand this.
I was part of a stop loss and extended in 1972, This is not new. You can be recalled or extended depending on need. As far as the film goes this piece of trash needs to lose money, its a big was of time.
Open your mind america! If we dont agree with everything goes Liberalism, we are narrow minded neanderthals. Just because you think it, doesnt make it right.
The libs need this war. They dont care about dumb redneck (but attractive, like ryan phillipe) solidiers getting blown up any more than they care about poor minorities they claim to care about. They are happy things arent going smoothly (like in the movies or cable news) so they can stick it to W because he stole their election from Al Gore (who is going to jail btw for securities fraud and front-running inside of 10 years).
I love the people who accuse BIG EVIL CORPORATIONS from profiteering over the war. What about Hollywood and the news networks? I hope Bob Weinstein has to sell one of his Bentley’s after this movie flops.
Oh, the reason so many of us Righty-red-o’s on this blog? bc it has a posting on the Drudgereport.
John said, When will you conservative people wake up and understand that liberals aren’t “anti-American.” We’re PRO-AMERICAN. Unjust wars, lies, innocent deaths, soldiers dying for nothing, and illegal military action are UN-AMERICAN. Bring the troops home now!
No John, you are wrong, YOU and YOUR liberal progressive loons are EXTREMELY un Patriotic and ANTI-AMERICAN, your movement is virulently anti-american because it’s roots are based on Communism and Socialism which are incompatible with American Free Trade Liberties, stop playing with words and giving the same tired staw man arguments, come clean, which I know you never will, and declare yourself for what you are and agent of totalitarian socialism which I am sure you hope it eventually morph’s back into Stalinist communism, plain and simple, tell the truth about yourself, you hate America, you hate what it stands for and you hate people who believe in it’s principals or faith blindly, because I will tell you plainly and blindly I have faith and love for my country and it can do no wrong, it is the greatest country on earth and perhaps in the entire history of mankind, you liberals just can’t stand the fact that American is No. 1, it eats at your personal ideals that we should all be equals and the same, we aren’t, I would die for my country, but you liberals rather be equal slaves to the same collective socialist master and eek out your lives in misery like swine that you are. Come clean and cleanse yourself in the waters of truth and tell us all that you are what you are, no more Liberal Lies.
Stalin also did not want war and was anti-war, didn’t he sign a non-agression pact with the Nazi’s? so he could have plenty of time to take over half of Poland, destroy it’s Christian officer corps and then purge his onw Army, all this even before Hitler fired a single shot at the Slavs, gotta love thos socialist they sure know how to genocide and then hide it.
Stalin
i think its hillarious that these retarded left leaning movie makers are out to prove a point and do anything to hurt bush, but they end up with epic fail movies. they have to realize all of america isn’t full of hate and revenge that they have in them.
Stop-Loss is another sad attempt by liberal Hollywood to bad mouth our troops, America and isn’t a movie real American’s want to see. The whole premis of the movie is wrong. Our troops are patriots and know the “rules” when they volunteer for the military. God Bless our troops, america and our President!
People aren’t against seeing an Iraq war movie as some in this comment section think. They’re tired of people – who hide behind gates and walls of multi-million dollar houses in Hollywood, who don’t have a clue what normal people go through day-to-day, and wouldn’t go out of their way to talk to a person in the military – telling us that the troops are stupid, pawns or whatever other category they put them in. I would love to see a pro-troop movie out of this cesspool called Hollywood.
I wonder when hollywood will finally break down and make a movie about Iraq Operation Freedom that is pro-American? It is fairly unlikely they will ever make a movie that should shows the brilliant audacity of Americans who hope to free Iraq and leave a free and prosperous nation not in the grip of Islamic fanaticism.
That movie won’t be made this year. Instead the movie execs grip that their failure to date at the box office has nothing to do with anti-American scripts and themes. No one has made a pro-American movie detailing the hopes we have in Iraq.
Probably with what many of you are saying is it’s wrong. The film was made by someone who does have family in Iraq. Also for those continue to call Obama B Hussein Obama, it might pleas you to know that the candicate with the most suport form our troops overseas is in fact Barack Obama
Anyone remember COINTELPRO?
John,
When both chambers of congress vote in the affirmative (that means yes) on a bill and send it to the president and he signs it – it is called a law and it is legal unless overturned by the supreme court. So, to say this is an illegal action demonstrates ignorance.
Furthermore, to say you support me, but that I am a criminal (those that participate in illegal actions are criminals ASS!) isn’t too wise either.
You also imply that we are an enterprise acting in concert illegally – this is known as a criminal enterprise and it is covered under the RICO statute. This means you believe Hillary and Obama are part of an illegal enterprise (voting for continued funding is an accessory after the fact). Interesting.
When people like you say you support the troops, but not the war, to me, you are saying you want us to fail in the war. To fail means more of us DIE genius. Please, keep your support.
“America is not at war, the military is at war. America is at the mall.”
No John,
Filth pig commie libs like you are UN-AMERICAN! You need to stop lying to yourself and be truthful. But you and your kind are too busy perpetuating propaganda bullshit as truth to know the difference between fantasy and fact. Just because you and your mimicking parrot “subversive” friends say it is so does not make it true.
Step aside, STFU, and let better (than you) men & women who proudly serve voluntarily in our Armed Forces do their job!
Stop Loss is a perfect film for Liberals. Nothing is more liberal than whining about the way things are. Remember Jimmy Carter’s famous “malaise” speech during his presidency, where he whined that the country wasn’t doing good because everyone was in a malaise? It wasn’t his fault, it’s your fault. We will always have whiners, whose answer is let’s give up. Liberals think JFK was some sort of Liberal messiah like they think Obama is. JFK was our weakest president who almost caused WWIII (Cuban Missile Crisis) and left us in Vietnam. Obama will be the weakest President we ever had. Osama loves Obama.
Hollyweird doesn’t care if they don’t make money inthe US. They will make it up in
South Yemenoverseas markets.The comments here are a perfect example of why America has become the most hated nation on the face of the earth. It is so unbelievable that so many remain willfully ignorant of what is accruing in Iraq – there is no excuse for not knowing, all of the issues have been extremely well documented from Abu Gharib, war profiteering by halliburton/KBR, contractors indiscrimantly shooting at civilians, soldiers raping a little girl and then massacring her entire family, George Bush not understanding the difference between a Sunni, Shia, or Kurd during the first year of the war..it goes on and on.
Yet the American people don’t want to hear it, they’d rather just cover their ears and shout “LaLaLaLaLa!” while PRETENDING to be patriotic…you know, wearing a silly American flag lapel pin, watching faux news, waving their little flags.
That’s fine, the same uneducated flag wavers in middle america and the south that support the war are the same ones who will suffer most from it’s consequences. These are the same people who can’t figure out why the value of their dollar keeps going down, they can’t figure out why it costs more to make their cars go in circles during the Friday night tractor pull. They are too ignorant to realize that the cost of this war is being passed onto their little rug-rats that Marry Jo started poppin’ out when she was 17.
Yep that’s right, keep supporting a war you refuse to even read or hear about (except for the cheerleading on faux news). We’ve given Iraq right to the Iranians at the cost of 4,000 US dead (that doesn’t count the contractor deaths) and CONSERVATIVE estimates of $1 TRILLION to $3 TRILLION. What happened to that $60 billion idiot George told us it would cost?
You middle americans and southerners better educate yourselves, and fast….because you are the ones who will suffer the most from this.
Oh, and pick up a book and read about REAL PATRIOTS.
Are you guys kidding me? They were not trying to make an anti-american movie, they are just pointing out a problem that is going on and how it affects people. Relax.
These type of anti-American movies like Stop Loss are a vehicle for the director, writers and anyone else to get their “Hollywood chops”. To prove themselves to their leftest friends, also they will collect a pile of accolades and awards. It’s helpful to advance their career.
“The millions of Democrats that are so engaged during this election (go Obama!!!) are very much the audience for this film.”
That’s good to know, since nobody’s going to see this movie.
The reason why Stop-Loss didn’t work is because they offer an inherently skewed reality about the war and the people who go to it.
My first negative view on it is that EVERYONE in the military understands the terms of service. So to have a character who DOESN’T want to go back to war sounds rather pathetic.
Remember Patton? Jesus Christ! The man was a raging, stumping, killing machine MADE FOR WAR. This nonsense of “I don’t want to go back” instantly turns the MAIN CHARACTER, of all people, into a total pussy, derailing the movie like a train wreck.
My second negative view is that it offers a type of sentimentalism that has been consistently unleashed in Hollywood probably for the last decade. But the sentimentalism of the movie has NO METAPHOR, it has no LAYER. It merely squares people into GOOD vs. BAD archetypes that make me vomit.
Remember Saving Private Ryan? Yes, the soldiers in that movie talked about their private lives and the people they loved, but they NEVER EVER EVER talked about them like pussies. They were MEN. Even when Tom Hank’s character was asked by Matt Damon’s character to talk about his wife, he said: “No. That’s just for me.”
DAMN STRAIGHT!!! We’re at war. It’s none of your damn business.
And third and final negative view on Stop-Loss is NOT only the shitty title, but the VIRILITY of the super-model soldiers. Goodness, I didn’t know the American military lathered itself in grease and oil before doing something manly like shooting at enemy territory or hanging around in the yard.
Once again, from Saving Private Ryan: Do you remember Upham? Or Caparzo? Or Mellish?
THESE are the real soldiers, not Abercrombie-Looking idiots who the Studio CLEARLY casted just to attract the obnoxious girl tween demographic.
Never mind that tween girls right now are mentally raped by Hannah Montana instead.
Definitely not your War-Movie kind of person.
Great War Movies in History:
1. Saving Private Ryan
2. Patton
3. Dances With Wolves
4. Schindler’s List
5. The Thin Red Line
6. Platoon
7. Full Metal Jacket
8. Apocalypse Now
9. Born on the 4th of July
10. Black Hawk Down
11. Gladiator
Dump “Stop-Loss” crap!
Liberals are idiots. Saddam violated the cease fire agreement from Desert Storm multiple times. What do you do when someone breaks the cease fire agreement? You start firing again!
What about all the evidence of genocide against the Kurds and murder of his politcal enemies? Doesn’t that justify military action? Of course it does.
Hollywood is so left-wing, drugged out and America hating that they can’t understand why us sane members of society don’t want to go see yet another anti-Operation Iraqi Freedom anti-Global War on Terror movie.
Reading so many comments that are on the money about Hollywood’s anti-war/Bush/Republican/WalMart must be jarring to the lefties here. (Yes, I work in Hollywood. I hear the hate rants of the left in person daily).
They cannot simply dismiss the comments as “knuckledraggers” etc. Look at the numbers.Every antiwar film has bombed due to their dishonesty. The players in Hollywood are all in lockstep because that’s how they make money and stay in the game. If any Hollywood actors rock the boat and support the President, the war on terror, the military, whatever, they are lambasted. Hollywood lives in fear of the new Blacklist. Be liberal or die. Put a liberal bumpersticker on your Volvo/Beemer/Prius/Mercedes/SUV and save your job.
I certainly wish Hollywood would make an honest film about the Iraq war. I recall there being talk a couple years back about making a Fallujah film, NO TRUE GLORY. Don’t know about the story’s politics, but the title isn’t encouraging. I also recall Harrison Ford’s name being mentioned as the lead General in that story. But, given Ford’s predictable Anti-Bushisms, well…what can you hope for?
Who cares. The movie will be gone in another week. And the stockholders will be left paying for it. Meanwhile, the writers, director, actors and studio heads will continue to draw salaries that an average American will make in ten or twenty years. And if they get fired will immediately go to work for some other studio or production company. Or if worse comes to worse do TV. A no lose situation for them. So why should they care.
I saw the previews and just wasn’t interested………I’m still smarting after loosing $7 on Semi Pro
People who blindly support the illegal war & the waste of money military are dumber than bags of rocks. No one should or does take anything those drooling idiots say seriously…whatsoever. Look around, you morons. America is crumbling all around you & yes, it’s entirely the fault of the stupid sheepies like yourselves.
I’m sick and tired of hollywood bashing out military. whose side are they really on? we need to investigate to see if the saudis/islamo-nazis are secretly funding the hollywood studios to make anti-American movies and try to defeat this country from within. they know they can’t beat us on the battlefield, so they are trying to sap our morale by making anti-America, pro-terror/islam movies.
It is obvious that Hollywood is soooo out of touch with America….clearly evidenced by the drop in overall ticket sales over the last five years. Not only is the premise of this movie flawed, but it takes a program not used since ‘04 TOTALLY out of context. Yeah, yeah…..there have been a few people that have gotten hosed…..however, this movie tries to imply that this happens everywhere in the military all the time. The writers (obviously idiots…that did very little, if ANY research) want to make service to our country into this horrible event that goes terribly wrong on a daily basis. It is JUST NOT true and that is why people don’t want to spend their money and time in the theater watching something heroic (an idea that Hollywood obviously lacks) get raked across the coals. It has nothing to do with the American public “not being ready to face the realities of this war” as written in this piece……what it has to do with is the fact that Hollywood has gotten it WRONG and is on the wrong side of this issue with a majority of the American public. The people who think this is a great movie…well you are watching a fictitous rendition of how the military works….period….you are seeing something totally taken out of context to push a socialist, anti-American, anti-military, hateful agenda by these people living in GaGa land!
Who the hell are you posters supporters’ of the moron from Texas, were you living? what are you have been eating your knowledge of Hollywood is impressive must be because you are raised on corn and bologna sandwiches if you can stand a realistic war movie get your 220 pounds massive arse out of your mobile chairs and go to joint the united moron for George org.if you can stand criticism of your declining crepuscular country stop producing preachers and instead produce more engineers stop bull shit yourself about the war on terror and invest more in universities
From NSR:
“Ah, I see this post was linked from Drudge because all the crazy right-wingers are posting here, desperate to defend the America they don’t have the actual courage to fight for..”
Yeah I know, objective journalism really sucks huh? Have you ever actually wondered why Drudge is so much more popular with conservatives, despite the obviously left-leaning media swearing by it as the most thorough and balanced news outlet available? There’s plenty of leftish reports on there that we conservatives read. It’s too bad liberals can’t understand yet try to blackwall any logic not indoctrinated into them by their handlers…
It must outrage you that liberals no longer have a monopoly on mass media (like all good socialists need; they don’t do so well in open debate). Screw Rupert Murdoch, Rush Limbaugh, and Al Gore for inventing the Internet!!!
Bravo public for not going to to see another anti-american movie. Can you imagion if they made movies like this during World War II, the public would have rioted at the thearts. WAKE UP Hollywood people would love moives about the great things we are doing in Iraq……Killing bad guys, freeing a whole nation….What more patriotic than the United States Marine Corp or US Army-Navy-Air Force
Bravo public for not going to to see another anti-american movie. Can you imagion if they made movies like this during World War II, the public would have rioted at the thearts. WAKE UP Hollywood people would love moives about the great things we are doing in Iraq……Killing bad guys, freeing a whole nation….Whats more patriotic than the United States Marine Corp or US Army-Navy-Air Force
Superhero Movie asked for its failure.
They Deserve This Failure
Wake up to the 21st century, boys. Or retire!
“America is crumbling all around you.” Wow, where do you live – like Detroit or Philadelphia or some other liberal city? Just don’t see it where I live or choose to vacation.
Quote by READ A BOOK:
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE this stereotype! Just because I’m a Conservative from the South I’m automatically “uneducated.” ROFL
I guess I can just throw my Computer Science/Mathematics degree out the window. I’m just a hillbilly from Alabamie who can’t read or write or wear shoes LOL
Seriously, if Hollywood wants to make a *good* *realistic* Iraq movie, they need to get on the phone with Michael Yon or Mike Totten. Until then, it’s all fiction and it’s all made of fail, as we say here on Al Gore’s Intertubes.
Hoax Hogan,
It is a BOX OF ROCKS. Sheepies is not a word (that is why it was underlined). Moron was a progressive term coined during the era in which the enlightened could sterilize those less fortunate LEGALLY (as in Buck V. US). The same progressives were quoted at Wanseae as reason for the Final Solution. The US is not crumbling, those weenies that took stupid mortgages out without being able to pay for them are crumbling – and good for them too!
As for the remainder of your comments, read a book. Read the Constitution. If you are so convinced it is an illegal war, challenge the premise to the Supreme Court – they are the only ones that can overturn a LAW you ASS!
Liberals (and by the way shamefully today liberal and democrats are one and the same)just dont get it. Todays soldiers werent drafted, we volunteer. We dont like stoploss, but because of the structure of the Military today versus say Vietnam, our allegience is to our brothers in uniform. In Vietnam, draftees came and went out of units. There was little to no unit cohesion, just faces passing in the night. Today we eat, train, and live together as units. Unit cohesion is maintained. When we fight, we dont just fight as an obligation to our military contract, we literally fight for our best friends who are right beside us. If we get wounded and shipped home, we are glad to come home, but we want to be with our buddies back in the unit, because we know they arent safe. Stoploss is a fact of life, its not a pleasant fact of life, but it fits in with our desire to be with our buddies. And I think that sums it all up, ultimately we fight for each other, because we become a family. Liberals do nothing but speak as though we are in vietnam. They tell us we cant win. They tell us we are commiting war crimes. But while we are taking out a few terrorists, the liberals are comfortably at home or the mall, “supporting the troops” with their constant BS rhetoric. They do anything but support the troops, instead they send the constant message that we are a bunch of losers and from what i can tell they do this for PERSONAL POLITICAL GAIN. How disgusting is that. No our liberals at home are Americas most dangerous enemies. Being a student of history,I often wonder why, our Government does NOT prosecute these bums for sedition and treason, history is full of example of traitors who did so much less than these LOUD MOUTH DO NOTHINGS have done, and were EXECUTED for! I say Impeach the politician who refuses to prosecute these traitors withion our own gates! Hell we even have a presedential candidate who refuses to wear the TEAM uniform (American Flag)…well if you refuse to wear the uniform, you shouldnt be allowed to be the coach! Hollywood go F*ck yourselves!
Man, everytime Drudge posts this kind of stuff to his rag, you really do get the right wing crazies posting a lot of nonsense.
eleano…..your an idiot…..invest more into our universities??? where are you from….your senseless jabbering tells me you are definately not an American….go ahead and waste your time and money and see this in a theater near you……obviously a need for truth and accuracy escapes you……
I KNOW WHO Audie Murphy is from reading and MOVIES. I KNOW WHO Sgt.York is from reading and MOVIES. I KNOW who Corporal DUNHAM is from reading. I KNOW who SFC. SMITH is from reading. There seems to be a pattern here and one would think that even the Bush Hating Morons in lala land could see it. Aahaa, the definition of BLIND HATRED. What amazes me is that the money people haven’t turned off the spigot.
Another movie I will absolutely not see nor thousands of other Americans.
A few years I read about a movie about the war in Iraq that was being researched starring Bruce Willis. Bruce was going to play a medal of honor winner who lead his troops through a corridor of hell to save a couple soldiers who had been ambushed and were completely surrounded. Since then I haven’t heard a peep about the movie. It sounded like a Iraq war movie I would have seen.
Why can’t Hollywood produce a good action movie about events in Iraq e.g. the battle for Fallujah and leave the politics out of it? I think there is a large number of people who would love to see a movie which is all about action/honor/glory and leaves the politics out of it.
I go to the movies to be entertained not to be lectured or force fed other peoples views ideologies.
Jesus Christ, these comments sections alway seem to bring out a.. forgotten segment of society, its strange. I think if I had 20million lying around I would make this movie for these people:
(Written for this post)
Fade up to see a dusty arrangement of dilapidated shacks in Iraq, the sound of screaming fills
Ours ears as we enter the largest building to see a group of slimy Muslim men with verrrry long beards
Who are raping a child with blond hair (wtf?). Between the cries of pain, the girl begins to form her first
English word; HELP. Then all fucking hell breaks loose and the door gets splintered to shreds, a large man
Holding an electric gatling gun in EACH F*CKING HAND enters the room and proceeds to shoot off all the limbs
Of the attackers while somehow not killing them.
The girl is very relieved and starts dry humping them hero who laughs and says “Hold on honey, maybe when you turn 16!”
Sadly it is not over for the attackers, the hero proceeds to (very) roughly insert approximately 15 pounds of C4 into each of their anuses, wires it all together and then allows the girl to push the detonator button from the safety of his Stars and Stripes Hummer sitting outside.
MEGA HERO CREDITS ROLL over a collection of files, newspaper articles detailing how our hero got to where he is now, you see he was called into action after the evil democratic party ruined the Iraq war with their false Hollywood movies. He was doing hard time for shooting a few hippies who were smoking Marijuana near a veterans centre, promised his Freedom if he kicked some raghead ass in the Middle East, what they didn’t know was:
HE WOULD HAVE DONE IT FOR FREE
BAM
Fade up to see the first few days of the Iraq war, tanks are rolling through Baghdad for the first time and kids are throwing AAA steaks At the soldiers (Flowers are for FAGS), the soldiers are throwing them on the barrels of the tanks to cook them, which are smoking hot from the Recent battle. Susan Sarandon is nearby with Sean Penn when a bomb goes off killing them, once the soldiers realize who has died,
They all turn and give a thumbs up to the Al Qaeda members scurrying away, ahhh it’s another great day in the middle east baby!
Style guide:
-The Muslims are portrayed as slimy, unkempt, unshowered, violent, possible gay pieces of crap
-The hero must have his shirt off for most of the movie and have some kind of US flag tattooed on his chest, eagle gets bonus points
-The environment and people must look as dirty as possible while the US army and their equipment must be polished DAILY
-Democrats are portrayed as shadowy, slimy figures that scurry about the halls of Washington while the Right Wing are the gentle heroes who just
want the job done and to stop the evil doers from killing more allies.
-The Daily Show is the world’s source of fake, terrorist friendly news
-The Democrats don’t want a wall built around the USA, they want to build a free subway from Mexico City right into Los Angeles!
Anybody feel like adding more to the story?
Aside from a few “liberal idiots” this thread is quite consistent. Hollywood doesn’t have a clue. They were totally on board during WWII and it has been going down ever since. At this point they are not making “factual” movies they are making left wing talking point movies. Any reality in anything they currently turn out is somewhere in outer space.
Hollywood and journalists are such venal, supercilious, anti-American, socialist-loving, bigoted, idiots. I wish we could send them ALL to Iran or Cuba or China or any other socialist country and force them to live the rest of their petty existence working in a brick factory.
I’ve pretty much stopped going to the movies altogether. I refuse to pay $20 to be insulted. Even in “non-political” movies they’ll throw in some little insult that denegrates people living in fly over country, working a real job, Christians, conservatives, small business owners, etc.
I depise them.
Crewguy, There is an honest film about the Iraq War.
It’s called Outside the Wire
I wish more people knew about it instead of thinking Hollywood will straighten their act out eventually.
This guy goes and gets embedded long term with our troops and has made 4 documentaries about it so far.
“Ah, I see this post was linked from Drudge because all the crazy right-wingers are posting here, desperate to defend the America they don’t have the actual courage to fight for..
Comment by NSR — March 29, 2008 @ 6:55 am”
I linked from drudge, and this is my first post on this topic. I graduated in December from Williams, a snooty liberal arts college out east (the snootiest, perhaps?). I’m leaving for basic in 2 weeks and 4 days on a 5 year enlisted combat arms contract. So, politely, go screw yourself.
Hollywood is again out to prove it is incapable of providing entertainment. It fancies itself teachers of history, the only problem? History is already written, and when their liberal slant is flavored into the story it always gets exposed. I was watching John Adams on HBO. It was adapted from apretty good historical account of our founding fathers efforts…and believe me, they were far from liberal minded individuals. Well HBO felt the need to spice up the show a bit to make it more “relevant” to todays audience, so they added young hoodlums running through the streets of Boston, teasing the British troops. Well the fact of the matter is, even when I was a kid in Boston in early 1960, we were never allowed to run through the the streets like a bunch of lunatics, parents took a REAL role in rearing their children even in 1960. No our forefathers were religious FREAKS by our standards, there was no skin showed on the ladies, they pancaked the makeup to even cover over what was exposed. children were kept on TIGHT reign. They never had any disputes about the local strip club, because there werent any tolerated. yet remarkably HBO fills them into this historical event as though they happened and we are just like them…we are NOTHING like them, we are weak and pathetic compared to the guts our forfathers showed and we owe it all to the liberalism that we allowed to fester and grow through the 1960s. Today we cant even allow our kids out in our own yards without being with them because liberals have fought hard to make perverts and sexual deviants normal people. It is this generation of liberals who can destroy America, and it does appear to be their true goal, are you even aware they are actively doing it? Did you know two candidates are outright Socialists…something our Declaration of Independence forbids… we are to be Independent of our Government, not Dependent on it. Socialism makes the government self responsible to provide services to the public. This in turn gives the Government more power over the public, not less. This makes the people DEPENDENT on the Government. How daft have we become.
The Iraq war is on the shoulders of the right wingers like Bush/Cheney. It’s a mess. We invaded a country that did nothing to us. And, as a Vietnam vet, I don’t believe anyone who saw combat signed-up for more tours of duty in a war zone. This B.S. can only be made by chicken-hawks who never had a bullet fly by their head or never served. Supporting the troops means either fighting this war full out with all chicken-hawks being drafted or bringing the troops home.
Bush supporters need to get there heads out of the sand and wake up.
Osama Bin Laden attacked the US, not Sadam Hussein.
Osama was supported by the Taliban, who were in Afghanistan -NOT IRAQ
Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz/Rice lied to our country and took our country’s resources and flushed them down the Middle East with an invasion of a country that had -NOTHING TO DO WITH 911.
Bush & Co. created a pack of lies to justify the Iraq War, a DISASTER that has disgraced our country throughout the world.
Sorry, America -You were lied to.
I just love it when all the guys here are so pro Iraq war, so what are you guys doing at home surfing the internet? Go join the army and fight for what you pussies so strongly believe in. As a “liberal”, you can bet that I’d join the army and be ready to die for any war I believed in, instead of sitting at home criticizing people for “denigrating” our troops because this douche bag bush started an illegal war over oil under false pretenses which all of you probably believe.
If you believe in this war so much, go fight, otherwise stfu pussies.
“Probably with what many of you are saying is it’s wrong. The film was made by someone who does have family in Iraq. Also for those continue to call Obama B Hussein Obama, it might pleas you to know that the candicate with the most suport form our troops overseas is in fact Barack Obama”
Sorry, this is false.
I’m soooo glad someone upstream pointed out the link from Drudge. The blind anger and logic-free ranting here against “liberals” and (misspelled, of course) “socilism” seemed to come out of absolutely nowhere, only to feed itself into a vicious whirlwind. Now that I know there’s a link – ah. It’s the echo-chamber of the fringe freepers. Not pleasant, but at least it makes sense now.
Hollywood….continuing on its slow, sad, agonizing death march to its own grave
moviemakers used to care about what the average joe wanted to watch, and they made SHITLOADS of money
then hubris set in: leftist political chest thumping, one gazillion “indie” movies about dysfunctional upper middle class whites that only movie critics liked
and then they NOMINATED these movies the general public didn’t care for, so their yearly showcase for movies are receiving continuing declining ratings
Hollywood is creating a generation of people who are apathetic about movies, and that’s bad for business now and in the future
and you know what? Hollywood arrogance makes them NOT CARE!! so they’ll still make lefty political movies that NO ONE wants to see…I wish Hollywood would look at the newspaper industry and its current fast decline, because THAT’s what its future is
arrogance + political propagandizing for the bourgeois liberal left = soon to be irrelevant
hope you enjoyed the ride suckers!!
Btw Universal purchased the rights of the book Lone Survivor, a true story about a navy seal’s experiences in Afghanistan—it is PRO AMERICA, PRO SOLDIER, also not afraid to tell you that there is evil out there that we have to fight, and yet is still able to show you that there is a humanity that will never be destroyed both on the U.S. and afghan side
If Hollywood doesn’t fuck with the book and make the movie that the book is…they will have their first midle east war themed movie hit
but they don’t understand—-arrogance and mediocrity is what rules in Hollywood nowadays
If Hollywood was to make a movie about the America-Hating loons or the media being water-boarded it might do very well,Most of us are sick of their biased slant and their hatred for this country.
“You middle americans and southerners better educate yourselves, and fast….because you are the ones who will suffer the most from this.
Oh, and pick up a book and read about REAL PATRIOTS.”
Hilarious! I graduated magna cum laude in college. Can you say the same “Read A Book”? There is no one more foolish than the one that professes greater intelligence than another, strictly based on their cultural upbringing.
Right off I’m not an American. But hey Hollywood films are sold all over the world so I get a say too. Here’s something to think about. Most of the rest of the English-speaking world don’t believe Iraq was responsible for 9/11 and you know that’s because they weren’t. Invading Iraq in the way you did, was the same as Hitler invading Poland. They had something he wanted. Still a war crime. The Chinese (your real enemies) are laughing their heads off. Btw my nephew (a regular)has done a tour over there with the aussies, and he says your troops don’t identify their targets, they kill every thing that lives. Must be that hearts and minds stuff right?
Wow, its amazing how brainwashed you pro war people are. I suppose you all still believe that we are in Iraq because of “WMD”? I also suppose that you all believe that there’s nothing wrong with the NSA/CIA/FBI all illegally monitoring the public, while the Bush administration is illegally destroying documents and emails that they are required to keep by federal law? It’s just so funny how you all think you’re some kind of defenders of the free world while in actuality you are supporting the oppression of Iraq, and of course any movie depicting anything less than a biased portrayal of the war must be false. and seriously, all of you guys in such strong support of the war should go and fight for it, pussies.
While I wholeheartedly agree with the pro-America crowd here, I have a different comment. Due to the Hollywood strike and our resulting changed TV habits at home, I have not heard of most of these films nor seen a trailer. “21″ being an exception and we look forward to that on DVD.
Hollywood is losing the ability to market itself to those of us who use a DVR to skip commercials or have switched to DVDs, the internet, books, and video games for evening entertainment. Who even sees movie marketing anymore??
One last comment. For Iraq war action, try the truth instead of Hollywood BushHitler lefty lies. Try “Outside the Wire” and “Gunner Palace.” If you have the guts, try “Fitna.” Don’t look to Hollywood to deal with something they refuse to acknowledge (the GWOT), don’t understand (the American military) and loathe (the superiority of Western civilization).
The sad thing here is that these movies are propaganda victories for our enemies when they play overseas. Some people are so stupid they think these things are documentaries about the middle east. Once you understand that is the real audience for these things then the losses hollywood takes on them becomes explainable. In short, the intellectual elites will spend any amount of money in securing defeat for American troops.
I was stop-lossed. It’s not unexpected when you are at war. The episode of Band of Brothers entitled “Points” shows another side of this.
Band of Brothers did well. So did “Blackhawk Down”. They succeeded because they were accurate and Americans were the good guys.
The guy in the article says that we just aren’t ready for a movie about the Iraq War. It shows you what they think of us. It doesn’t even occur to him that a movie where we are the heroes can be made.
There are SO many heroes a positive movie could be built around. There are posthumous Medal of Honor recipients and living Silver Star winners who actually deserve it (unlike John Kerry), there are leaders who lead from the front, there are grunts living among the Iraqis, helping to make them secure and winning the hearts of Iraqi children. There are courageous reporters like Yon and Roggio. There are tragedies like the many deaths from IED’s and the men who go out to disarm and overcome them. There are terrifying firefights. There are storied branches of the service and storied units building on their legacies. There are massive battles such as Falluja II and Ramadi, now Mosul. There is desert, sandstorms, dust storms. There are brave women in close combat situations. There is just SO much good, positive material, and yet, there seems not to be even ONE patriotic writer in Hollyweird willing to buck the leftist mania that has taken hold there. Why is that?
“We Were Soldiers” proved that you can make a good movie about an unpopular war, and do well. “Blackhawk Down” proved it can be done about a mission that has been proven to have been flawed. Yet, despite the number of Medal of Honor and Distinguished Service/Navy Cross recipients, those in Hollywood cannot find a compelling, heroic story to tell?
In a few months, after the soldiers of 3rd Infantry Division returns from their third or fourth deployment in Iraq, take a trip to Fort Stewart and you might just find that there are a few tales that need telling. You may also find that, like every other military post in the country, it is populated by good, decent, well educated volunteers and their families. People who are full of pride, humor and honesty. You know, the kind of folks that have been the basis for popular movie characters for years.
Who the hell are you posters supporters’ of the moron from Texas, were you living? what are you have been eating your knowledge of Hollywood is impressive must be because you are raised on corn and bologna sandwiches if you can stand a realistic war movie get your 220 pounds massive arse out of your mobile chairs and go to joint the united moron for George org.if you can stand criticism of your declining crepuscular country stop producing preachers and instead produce more engineers stop bull shit yourself about the war on terror and invest more in universities
Clearly you’ve been to war. Wait no, you’re just a loser troll who hides out and criticizes the freedom of others to say what they want. Go home and cry in your parents’ basement. Actually you do need to go anywhere, you’re in your parents’ basement now.
I can’t wait until Barack Hussein Osama, I mean Obama is sworn in as the USA’s emperor for life and then he will pardon me in time for the white house inaugural, me and all my Jihady lovin’ home-boys will be walking down pennsylvania ave. over to the new mosque so we can hear rev. wright I mean, ayatollah wright begins his prayer call and have Obama put his hand on the Quran to be sworn in.
We can, with the help of my totalitarian loving socialists brothers and sisters, which I eventually I will put to the sword and make prostitues of their women, give this land a new name, how about Ameri-Arabia? How about Ameri-stan? How about the United States of Allah? Yes, nothing says useful idiot like my mentally challeneged leftist stooge brothers and sisters, that is, until I can figure out a way of eliminating them all.
Excerpt from Osamas’ secret files.
Do you know what John Wayne did in WWII? Make money! He didn’t serve in the military (like other actors such as Ronald Regan) because he it thought might hurt his career. Check it out.
How about releasing “Green Berets”? Now that is a real man’s flick. Except they need to use a little CG to fix that dopey toupe he wore.
the ranting , foaming , entitled to power liberals have been on a blind hatred for the military and Pres Bush since he won in 2000(yes he won as no legit media gave gore a recount)Remember when the worst ever Jimmy Carter surrendered to the Iranians for 444 days and started this nightmare?This is a just cause and our men and women are the epitome of heroism…Remember , no terrorism to speak of (no anthrax and school shootings don’t count)since Sept 11.
Yea America bashing movie does not make money, who’d a thunk it. Give it up MTV no one appreciates your left wing bs.
Based off all of these comments, it’s quite obvious there are alot of Americans that need a swift boot to the face for being so goddamn ignorant.
But you know what? You’re all doing it to yourselves. You sold your minds for safety and now you are reaping the consequences of what you are sown.
I’m one proud and liberal American who will leave this place for greener and saner pastures if Hillary or McCain become president, because the last 8 years has turned this country from great to a great shitpile. Besides, I’ll want to make my money in euros and pounds when the Second Great Depression comes!
Poor Hollywood. Their attempts to propagandize the Iraq war and to brainwash the American people aren’t working out so well for them.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Stoploss had to be based on pure fiction because it doesn’t stand for the true american soldiers who put their lives on the line voluntaringly. I read one comment where someone had just seen stoploss and said that Bush should be ashamed of himself. This is hollywood’s attempt to blur the reality and fiction worlds! Hollywood is obviously continuing to spread their message and taking large hits of losses with each anti-war or anti-american movie. Here is some free advice Hollywood. Try making a pro Iraq or pro American movie and see what your results are!
I think Knoxville resident, Don Devan, and his angry, vituperative (and redundant posts) might want to stay away from Hollywood industry websites if he’s really so offended by thinking people’s opinions.
If you don’t like a film, don’t watch it. More importantly though, don’t ask those who make films to tell the same sorts of lies that the Bush administration continues to tell in order to support this crazy uncalled for war of theirs.
To those expressing their opinions regarding a lack of pro-American war films:
http://outsidethewire.com/ <== This is the site for a film (going direct to DVD) which claims to be pro-American. The cost of production was low, which means that in order to disprove the idea that an Iraq War movie is going to be an inevitable flop regardless of whether it’s pro- or anti-war, they need to sell 2,900 DVDs.
http://www.brothersatwarmovie.com/ <== This movie (last I heard) is still in production. I’ve heard that it’s about as neutral in view as it’s possible for any media made by a human being to be (it’s a documentary, so it’s supposed to be neutral), and the trailer looks good, in my opinion.
Someone upthread wrote:
“saw Stop-loss last night. excellent film. President Bush should be ashamed of himself.”
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That tells you all you need to know about who would like this movie and why it will flop.
The actual premise of “Stop Loss” is false on it’s face. The military can do a stop loss on specific MOS’s PRIOR to a person departing active duty if that MOS is deemed vital to the Army..it’s done in all branches as necessary. If a person is recalled after their primary service is over, and they’ve been placed in the ready reserve, it’s not considered stop loss at all. A retired veteran is also liable to be recalled to active duty if deemed necessary by their service branch. It’s all in the contract you sign when you first enlist or take the oath as an officer. The contract also says that a person may be retained in the case of a declared war..or rather may be retained for the duration of hostilities plus 6 months. During the first Gulf War, I say people in certain specialities being pulled back in who hadn’t seen a uniform in over a decade! The movie in question is pure crap!
Hollywood doesn’t get it: We have no interest in their political viewpoints. Many of them seem to believe they are famous because of their intelligence!
Yo Debra! I saw STOPLOSS last night and it SUCKED. Who are you anyway, the Producers wife?
Here’s a novel idea. Stay home. Don’t pay good money to watch the anti-American, violence ridden, sex soaked drivel that comes out of the left coast. Turn off the TV for the same reason and…READ A BOOK!!!
Hollywood has enough money – they don’t care that much about the money…(I NEVER GO to movies, I can’t stand to see the america-hating socialists pig faces on big screen) They only want their agenda to prevail…sex, drugs, hip hop, and socialism…they’re stuck in the 60’s…but soon we’ll have a “new” generation of film makers that will push the socialist political agenda – we have 3 socialist pigs competing for prez of the greatest caapitalist republic in the world..obama lama ding dong, hillbilly rottn & mad mad mad mccain… There’s a great opportunity for conservative film makers to make big bucks and influence the young people who actually go to movies
The Hollywood geniuses get to do their work because the troops keep the evil doers at bay.
Regardless of the libs comments here for support of the movie stoploss… The actual ticket sales speaks the REAL TRUTH!
I’ve read articles about the other failed anti-war movies in the past and I’m always amazed how the reporters and who they are interviewing, about why the movies fail, don’t get it. They give all this crap about the public not being ready for it, in denial, or as the studio exec said in this article “because it is something that’s unresolved yet”. Those articles also had comment sections with most of them saying the same thing about the movies being anti-american. Yet they still write the same crap and who they interview still throw out the same propoganda. They just don’t get it or don’t want to. I’m curious if they have any clue what the public really thinks. I know they don’t read the comments or want to believe them.
Dear Hollywood – Want to make products that people will pay to see? Here is how to do it.
1. Write a script that actually contains meaningful dialog and not simply a string of four letter words. You might address your friends so disdainfully, but I don’t and I don’t want to hear it.
2. Include special effects as a last resort to tie together the script. Do not try to turn a movie into a video game.
3. Keep your lame, ignorant, leftist, anti-American opinions to yourself.
4. Honor hard working people (your audience) regardless of their station in life or profession.
5. Find somebody that can explain to you the difference between right and wrong and do not portray wrong-doers as heros.
6. Do not preach to your audience. Hollywood types are the ones that need to receive some preaching, not the audience.
7. Seek to avoid R-ratings instead of adding gratuitous, meaningless perversion in order to achieve an R-rating.
Bonus Suggestion – Make a movie about Hollywood being blown up by terrorists and all the overpaid actors with it. I can assure you it would be a wall-to-wall blockbuster.
It makes me proud to read all these comments about people realizng how anti american hollywood is. I thought I was one of a few. The Jane Fonda crowd ought to go broke funding these movies.
I am so encouraged to see how many others think the way that I do. I want to see a hero. I know our men and women are heroes. I am sick of our country being disparaged and undermined by the left that does not understand that if their friend Chavez took over, they would have no freedom.(Hmm Danny?) Do you think there is any chance one of these overpaid execs reads what we write and cares about what we think?
Don’t feel sorry for the film industry.
All of the performers got paid for appearing in Stop Loss as did the director, the writers, the crew.
Who lost money? Paramount, MTV and Dreamworks are all owned by viacomm.
Viacomm is controlled by National Amusements and its owner, Sumner Redstone, is the viacomm CEO.
Of Sumner Redstone’s political contributions, 28% went to industry PACs, 66% went to Democrats, and 6% went to Republicans.
And so, my friends, if your IRA or 401K includes investments in Viacomm, Redstone is using your money to fund his political agenda.
In other words, the only losers here are — US.
Are you surprised?
Anyone who calls this an illegal war is a god damn fool. What is a legal war? The president was given the authority to start military action by the congress. He had the authority to start the war. Whatever the liberal wackos say congress granted the authority to start the war. Britan, France and Russia, the CIA and most Democrats in congress believed Hussien had weapons of Mass destruction. If his people were lieing about it to several different intellegince agencies that still does not change the fact that at the time the IRAQ war vote was taken most everybody including the Brits and France believed he had weapons of mass destruction.
So the war was not illegal. The president had the authorization to start the war. If he hadn’t had the authourization he could of been impeached. He hasn’t and 70% of most democrats (not the 30% fringe groups like move on and other wacko lefties) believed the war was legal.
So anyone who says the war is illegal is an idiot. I too can say that disenfranchising the voters of Michigan and Florida is illegal, but me saying so doesn’t make it so.
No surprise that piece of shit SUPERHERO bombed at the box office considering its writer/director Craig Mazin was scabbing during the strike and repeatedly bragging on his website about getting either seven or ten million for the script.
That movie isn’t original whatsoever. Just the same tired old spoofs of the same tired old movies. And the biggest name in it is Pamela Anderson which tells you everything about the quality of the movie. Also, the poster wasn’t even original either. It’s the same poster as the first SCARY MOVIE (which was then trotted out with each successive sequel with only different faces to tell them apart).
No wonder nobody bothered to show up to see that POS.
I haven’t seen the movie, but I saw Baghdad for 11 mos and Umm Kasr for one month in 2003-2004.
To answer the gentleman who states something to the effect of “once you sign the piece of paper you can always be called back” –Roger that. I was mobilized by presidential order twice. During war anything is possible.
Having said that, aren’t we lucky we have men and women that volunteer to protect the interests of our nation. Aren’t we lucky that our buddies are noble enough to do that and then not come home? –Damn toot’n. Cause if the president runs out of bodies, it will be me who goes again and probably you, and probably your son or daughter too. From the title, I’m guessing that is what this film was about. –It’s about kids going to Iraq two or three times over and being held beyond their original end term of service or ETS date for a period during which your son or daughter might have actually earned a college degree.
So, yeah. Better not watch this movie.
Moose
Looks like all the Drudgers are here
Hey Nikki, how is Forgetting Sarah Marshall tracking?
About “Stop-Loss:” “It’s a shame because it’s a good movie that’s just ahead of its time.”
Kind of like “Triumph of the Will” was ahead of its time.
When we finally put an end to fanatical Islam, that’s how movies like these will be remembered. And the filmmakers will join the long list of fascist appeasers, like: Neville Chamberlain and Charles Lindbergh.
The reason these anti war movies fail is simple: The directors, producers, stars, and anyone else starring in or backing these pieces of crap have their heads stuck so far up their asses, they can’;t act, direct or produce.
Liberals are all of the same ilk: moronic traitors.
The studio source for Paramount implies that people are completely turned off to anything related to the Iraq War. Hollywood is out of touch with reality. Americans want to see a Hollywood film about the Iraq war that portrays our troops and military in a POSITIVE light.
Not a bad movie, its just sad that Hollywood and the Left don’t understand that we are at War with Terrorist’s that dont care if you are Republican, Democrat, Woman, Man, Gay, Straight, Catholic, or how educated you and your friends are! Doesnt matter unless you are a true Muslim it is thier duty to convert you or kill you in the name of Allah. Support our troops, just who are you supporting. Less than 1% of America’s Men and Women were the unifom that defends our people, not one, thats right not one was made to sign on the line and serve in the military. I have proudly served in the Army for over 20 years, I am extremly proud of our troops, and yes I have lost friends. Hollywood Grow Up!!
I see the drooling chimptards out in force today. Why don’t you toe tapping nancy boys join up or do you all have boils on your butt like Rush Limpdick.
Craig Mazin worked when the rest of Hollywood walked out?
I most certainly will be going to see this movie now.
A war most people support?? Let’s stop BSin’. That’s news to the USA, 67% of the country is against it according to a recent poll.
I think the Americans who support it are out of touch with the country and reality, regardless of what happens in picture making process of Hollywood.
Quote from anonymous:
I guess we’re doing the same thing you’re doing… LOL
Stop-Loss is a movie based on misinformation. ALL soldiers know that the term of service on the signed contract is 8 YEARS! Not 3 yrs or 4 yrs active….Soldiers can be called back and extended for anything or anytime up until the last minute of the last day of the eighth year! Deployments can go eight years consecutively….bad for morale…but legally…an eight year deployment.
If Americans only want to see a movie that’s NOT critical about the Iraq war, why did Michael Moore’s movie make so much money? I don’t think the lack of interest in recent Iraq movies stems from the movies not being patriotic enough, I think it’s because most of them are just bad movies. I rented Redacted the other night: it was unwatchable. I agree that a lot of movies are too condescending toward the US military, but more than anything else, I think the Iraq movies are failing because the audience recognizes that the movies are just shallow attempts by Hollywood to capitalize on an anti-war sentiment, without bringing a truly thoughtful, quality movie to the table.
Hollywood seems to live in an alternate universe from the rest of America. Besides being anti-American in their outlook they can almost universally be counted on to cast businesses as evildoers who merely want to abuse their hapless employees while raping the environment and getting ahead through dishonesty and exploitation. Parents are usually portrayed as narrow minded, out of touch tyrants lacking the enlightenment of their more sensible children.And of course christianity is never viewed as a religion whose central beliefs are love, humility,and forgiveness.
Since radical Islam definitely sees itself as at war against America and our way of life regardless of what we do or don’t do on the world stage, and has prosecuted a war here and abroad inflicting mass murder on ours and our allies’ citizens, I am at a loss to understand just what it means to be against the war.
Give me a break. Stop loss ahead of its time. What a moron comment. Where are the hero movies about victories???? Thats has not been trieds. Liberals are just stupid!!!!! It is sad they do not allow freedom of expression in Hollywood for pro-American movies. What a disgrace.
The Army is NOT breaking any contracts. When anyone joins any branch of the United States Military for the first time, they incur a minimum eight year total service obligation (some special jobs, such as pilot, can incur even longer service obligations). Whatever time is not spent on active duty, or in the active Guard/Reserves (you know, the ones who drill one weekend a month?), must be spent in the IRR, or “Individual Ready Reserves.” Members of the IRR, don’t drill, nor do they receive any pay, but they are subject to recall to active duty at any time during their time in the IRR.
For example, if someone joins the Army under a “two year enlistment,” then gets out, he/she is subject to recall to active duty for another six years. If somone joins the Air Force for four years, and then separates, he/she can be recalled to active duty for four more years.
This is spelled out in paragraph 10a of the enlistment contract, which states:
If this is my initial enlistment, I must serve a total of eight (8) years. Any part of that service not served on active duty must be served in a Reserve Component, unless I am sooner discharged.
This, Ladies and Gentlemen, is not part of STOP LOSS, although it is often assumed to be. This is part of the President’s Reserve Call-Up Authority.
I can’t believe I just read this comment from someone who saw “Stop Loss”: “President Bush should be ashamed of himself.” Are you kidding me? This person obviously does not get the concept of stop loss, and the movie obviously isn’t addressing it appropriately. If more people like this person would step up, sign up and serve, then there wouldn’t be a need to implement stop loss. There is only one other way to raise the number of troops needed to fight a manpower-intensive conflict, if the Defense Department is not permitted to hold onto the soldiers it has, and that is a military draft. Want that instead? I didn’t think so. Mr. Bush and the Pentagon were doing the responsible thing on behalf of the country when they implemented this policy which, by the way, has been around for decades (it is just seldom used). I am so glad the people who are complaining daily about how we must fight this war on terror are not in charge of our national security.
A Soldier
Hey Hollywood, do yo want me at the box office?
Make a film in which the US Soldiers are the good guys.
Make a film in which the Police Officer is a good guy.
Make a film in which the dad takes care of his family.
Make a film in which the wife loves the dad.
Make a film in which the drug dealer is the bad guy.
Make a film in which the terrorists are the bad guys.
I have two sons who are police officers and a nephew who is a soldier, we are Americans and are tired of being portrayed as evil by you folks in Hollywood.
You want to expose the gritty reality of life? Show the hemp smoking Berkeley crowd how much murder, revolution and corruption their illicit drugs support. Unfortunately, the hemp smoking Berkeley crowd approves of that little side affect of their addiction.
It’s funny reading all these posts about how Hollywood works written by people who clearly have no idea how Hollywood works. Hollywood isn’t some entity intent on spreading its liberal ideology. It’s a money making machine. As long as you dopes keep buying DVDs, it will continue churning out junk food for the mind.
The movie was not accurate. The contract we signed has provisions regarding inactive reserve status. The movie did not want to explain that. This is only political red meat for the uniformed…Propaganda
I find it simply impossible to understand how the Hollywood bankrollers can’t see what is causing that tremendous sucking sound coming from their collective wallets. There’s plenty of examples on how to create a blockbuster war movie they could rely on as templates, but evidently they feel imposing their “progressive” political views on us is more important than making money. The formula is quite simple really, it’s been tried and tested at least a million times… You pay your seven or eight bucks, Errol Flynn, John Wayne, Bruce Willis (or other manly star du jour), kicks the sh*t out of the bad guys, everyone goes home happy.
Who do they think the largest consumers of their typically mind-numbing products are? After all, the yokels over yonder in Bumpkinville have little options for weekend entertainment compared to the plethora of liberal arts establishments on the more enlightened coasts. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you… Sheesh.
Hollywood’s modern war movies don’t succeed because Hollywood has a warped view of America’s role. The remake of Manchurian Candidate was awful – they took what could have been redone as a threat against America using characters representing an actual current political candidate and made it anti-American business.
They think anti-American films will sell well overseas, where more than half of most films’ income is generated. But they don’t understand people don’t want to see negativity. They want to see heroic action.
It’s been fun reading through the comment section. About 80% of you are too stupid to pass a 6th grade English class. THAT’S why Hollywood makes stupid movies — they’re catering to you ‘tards.
Your knee-jerk reaction to “liberals” is also sickening and just shines a huge spotlight on your ignorance. Go read a few classic BOOKS — much cheaper and more mentally challenging than most movies — and actually learn something about the world outside America.
I’ve already decided that Hollywood is incapable of writing an orginal story. All we get now are:
1) Sequels
2) Re-makes of existing movies
3) Making an old TV show into a movie
4) Making a video game into a movie
Which is why the number of tickets sold has long ago flattened out. If not for the continued increases in ticket prices, even Hollywood would not be able to hide the fact that their product is in decline.
I suspect in the next 10-20 years we will see Hollywood as we know it end and something new (user created content most likely) will take it’s place.
Frankly, I look forward to it.
I have to apologize to everyone for earlier posting this:
“As a Soldier (Master Sergeant) who has served two tours in Iraq and is on tap for a third I think I have the experience and moral authority to weigh in on this.
1- Yes, we use the phrase – “You’ve been stoplossed.”
2- Folks get stoplossed past the initial 8 year obligation. We had folks called back from retirement terminal leave to deploy for what ended up being a 15 month tour.
3- Soldiers on the ground want to win and want to serve, but there is a hell of a lot of angst over being stoplossed. Just as there was a lot of anger over the extension.
4- No one on high has given the Soldiers on the ground an endstate to work towards so each time we go its like we are starting from scratch.
5- The surge worked on the tactical level, street violence is down, but it is not yet working on the strategic level for the Govt of Iraq is not really interested in reconciliation.
6- This is a war unlike any other, even the Band of Brothers in WWII fought for less than a year and received numerous months off the line for rest and refit. Soldiers today go 15 months straight in a COP with only a two week leave. In Vietnam most Soldiers only did one twelve month tour, not multiple tours.
7- The rational for this war changes on a daily basis as George tries to change history to reflect the reality that there were no WMDs and there was no link to al-Qaeda. This constant changing leaves us on the ground wondering when the mission will be complete.”
I am not a Master Seargent.
In reality, I hate America and the Military.
Please see Stop Loss.
“You’ve been Stoplossed” (a.k.a ‘A Phrase Never Used’)
President John McCain
Runner-up: Barack Saddam Hussein Obama-Bin-Laden.
Every freedom loving American should do as I have done–stop buying left wing, lying newspapers, never watch any network “news” programs, and don’t waste ten cents paying to see anything made in Hollywood. There are many factual sources of information and ways to entertain ourselves without supporting these ignoble, anti-American people. When the money runs out and the powers that run these institutions are replaced we will then have adults able to step in and provide real facts and real entertainment, instead of anti-American propaganda. Many posting here have already figured this out. Thank you.
Please. Trying to get a liberal to actually have a discussion usings facts and logic is like trying to get a housecat to go for a casual swim in the pool. They can’t do it. It is unnatural for them. They have to rant, rave, and curse.
78,000 people died of smoking related illness’s last year. You don’t hear them screaming to have cigerettes banned. Nope. You just hear them screaming to have pot legalized. Which really wouldn’t bother me because it would save us millions of dollars annually on drug enforcement.
And while John McCain is far from my first choice the real enjoyment will be that they don’t have shot of beating him and that will drive them as nutty as when Gore couldn’t beat Bush.
Seriously though, you have to feel sorry for them. Their last four choices for President have been Gore, Kerry, Clinton II, and Obama. Dang if that isn’t like picking a prom date from a fat farm retreat!
Here’s some news: there’s no such thing as the “Liberal Media” and there’s no such thing as “Hollywood.” Both these beliefs are just ways for macho chicken-hawks to hate and spit-out out their disgusting intolerant adjectives. Great Americans? No real Americans volunteer to help others and aren’t just about B.S.
Drudge’s robot minions live…
This movie was great.
Soldiers are pathetic losers.
Soldiers are rapists.
Soldiers are murderers.
Soldiers are failures.
Soldiers hate President Bush.
Soldiers all agree Iraq is a failure.
Soldiers hate John McCain.
Go see ‘Stop Loss’ to learn how soldiers (liberal actors) really feel.
Hollywood is full of maggots living off the fruit of the free-enterprise system, but at the same time trying to kill it. They are left-wing idiots that think all the good in this country will remain good when their Marxist ideas are implemented. Sorry, lame-brains, it won’t work. I don’t like to be insulted when I pay money for a movie. Most Hollywood crap does that, and I’m tired of it. Grow up, imbeciles.
Isn’t it really time that the U.S. splits up? The Civil War was noble and all at the time, but really, the South and the rest of the Red States are just embarassing baggage at this point.
Stop-loss has been in use in the military for years. I have been stop-lossed twice. First was Desert Storm and second was 9/11 mobilization. It has nothing to do with your contract. All military contracts from 1986 on are for 8 years. You do 2,3,4 whatever on active duty and the remainder you are assigned to the inactive reserve or if you chose, you go to the guard or drilling reserve.
Stop loss is totally separate. My contract(all 8 years) had ended and I was still kept in service for another 8 months. It is used to help the military keep certain MOSs from being understaffed. It can also be used to keep people from leaving one unit to join another or to keep people from switching jobs. The USAF and US Army are the biggest users of stop-loss. I don’t always agree with stop-loss but it is part of the deal when you join. 22 years and counting for me so far.
I would not see this film because it probably will be anti-American. That is my choice. Why waste $12 just to find that out.
Larry
“Based off all of these comments, it’s quite obvious there are alot of Americans that need a swift boot to the face for being so goddamn ignorant.”
Posted by danger.
Heres a thought,danger, post your name and phone number and I will call you and set up a meet.
I am sick of you retard libs threatening people with violence.
Got guts?
There is an essay written by a retired Marine Corp General and a two time recipient of the Congressional Medal of Honor. Its called War Is A Racket. If you have never read it, it would behoove you to do so. Its educational.
>In particular it will appeal to the more educated >segment of the U.S. – not all are capable of seeing >any faults with their own country as it involves a >little more self confidence…
I do not believe that most of the posters objecting to this movie were speaking about “any” faults, per se, with our country. They were merely indicating that it might be nice to see at least *one* movie that portrayed the soldiers in a more positive light, as opposed to one dimensional stereotypes. Perhaps you missed this.
>and a familiarity to conduct a little research (a handy little skill you pick up in college).
Not sure what a “…familiarity to conduct a little research…” means. Perhaps I missed that in my first level English course.
With your final statement, I suppose one may easily see where you are coming from. Is it possible that those with whom you disagree might also be educated (or, based on your tortured syntax, perhaps I should say only: may be educated)? Or, is it axiomatic that anyone who does not enjoy the current crop of war related films is a troglodyte? Curious about your opinion on this (though, perhaps, it may be guessed at with your attempted insult – which would, by the way, seem much more cutting if you had a sound grasp of the language).
>The movie will do great in the long run.
I’d be willing to bet on this. What is your definition of great? Only a 30 million dollar loss for the studio? By great, I would assume you mean it is going to actually turn a tidy little profit. If so, I’m fairly sure you are deluding yourself. But heck, perhaps you have the “familiarity” to conduct your own research on this, so, you know, you might be right. I doubt it, but whatever.
>Don’t dumb down movies to appeal to the idiotic masses >- that’s what there are movies like Die Hard or Saw 5.
Ok, fine, good advice. But, then, what are you going to do for entertainment in the future? Familiarize yourself with more research? Even though I have no idea what that means, I might still say that such a thing might prove boring over the long run.
Had to laugh. I was telling my husband, an Iraqi war vet and military retiree, about this film bombing at the box office and the comments on this site.
He said he’d seen one commercial for Stop Loss and was disgusted. The actor was some over muscled pretty boy with his shirt off. That about sums up the substance of the film.
How about doing a film on my husbands friend and fellow soldier who withdrew his retirement paperwork when he didn’t have to, and went to Iraq because he couldn’t bare the thought of his soldiers going to war without him. He died there, but received two purple hearts before dying. His son-n-law, a chopper pilot, died almost a year later in Iraq as well.
Now there is a family that has given much to this country and will never have their story told because it doesn’t fit the Hollywood world vision.
>Sorry, I didn’t realize that I had stumbled upon a Fox News message board.
Me thinks you not realizing something is a rather common occurrence.
George Bush must sleep very well at night knowing that no matter how inept he is, no matter what new low he brings this country to, no matter how many ill-conceived debacles he leads us into, there will still be a certain number of utter numbskulls out there who will ask “how high” when he says “jump”. Pathetic boobs.
I see a lot of comments about Hollywood liberals and left and right. This fiasco is not about left and right. If you are in a fog and still support this war you are wrong. If you support the troops get them home. Impeach, indict, convict, send to jail the whole chain of command: Abu-Graib Chain of Command from Bush on down. Send them all to jail.
I thought movie making was a business. A business is supposed to make money, and if it doesn’t, it should learn from it’s mistakes and correct them. Heads rolled when “Cleopatra” bombed. Heads rolled when “Heaven’s Gate” didn’t attract patrons. Now it seems if the message is politically acceptable the scripts will be bank-rolled regardless of profit potential. Mediocre films and film makers are lionized based not on the quality of the film or the quantity of profit but on the acceptability of the message to those writing the checks. Regardless of the depth of the pockets, at some point the profit motive must prevail and there will be a return to the business of making movies people will pay to see. Not everyone is an uber liberal antiwar activist who believes America to be the Great Satan. These masses await a fim maker to put aside personal preferences and make a feel good, patriotic movie about people who are willing to give their lives for something they believe is bigger and more important than themselves. Even if the film maker doesn’t agree with the cause you would think the producer could find a way to overcome his distaste for the topic as he watched his bankbook explode. It’s a business not a pulpit.
Hollywood movies, Client #9, OJ jailed, Paris Freed, Whoopi and the View, all distractions. While mainstream media creates illusions, the gov’t steps on our throats by opening our mail, suspending habeas corpus, stealing private lands, banning books like “America Deceived” from Amazon, conducting warrantless wiretaps and starting wars for a foriegn gov’t.
Impeach them all and end this madness.
Final link (until Google Books bends to pressure and drops the title):
America Deceived (book)
Stupid ass hollywood. America is good. America has to make unpopular decisions to do what is best for our long term safty. We get that. You Rich bitch liberals in La la land haven’t a clue.
Stop-loss is being proven to be the joke that it was when it was being advertised on MTV. After having put in 9 months myself at Balad Air Base, Iraq, I feel I have a decent bit of perspective about the war. Comparing this conflict to vietnam is a discredit to our veterans. I mean really. This conflict has had 4,000 casualties and has lasted 5 years. FOUR THOUSAND. Now look up your grade-school history books and see how many we had due to idiotic foreign policy in vietnam…. Exactly.
>Any of you right-wingers have a response for the Iraq Veterans Against the War?
Certainly, and here it is: good for them for speaking out for a cause they believe in. Do I endorse their position? No. However, they certainly have the right to speak up.
Ok, response given. Any other questions?
Many folks who are against the war and not Anti-American or against the troops themselves. They are against a decision by the Bush administration to engage in a war that critics say is simply not necessary and is growing increasingly into a quagmire. It is not a suitable reaction to 9-11 since there is zero evidence that Saddam had anything to do with it. If we had troops scattered more in Afghanistan and elsewhere in the region and if the government and military was more efficiently using covert ops and technology to put the troops themselves in less danger then we may have a lower casulty rate. But even if that rate was the same as it is now in Iraq, you would have more overall support for military action in the Middle East because you would avoid some of the critics at least by not literally putting all your eggs in a basket that is becoming more and more like a sequel to Vietnam. And to those who argue that modern actors are not vets, neither is George W. Bush.
Wow. You right-wingers are seriously fucked in the head.
Hollywood doesn’t care about the truth! EVERY soldier signs their contract for 8 years. Whether it’s 4, 6, or even just 3 years active/reserve it’s an 8 year contract. REAL stop-loss stops a soldier from leaving their current portion of their contract, not the full 8. If a soldier comes up, or will come up to their FULL 8 yrs they can sign a waiver to extend beyond the contact to finish their tour with their current unit…in other words, not leave their buddies hangin’.
Oh, just wait the next SUCK-Azz Hollywood film to dipict THEIR truth will be W. JFK sucked and was full of lies too.
My God you Republicans are stupid.
Hollywood KNOWS this movie won’t be popular!!! They’re all rich anyway! They don’t need yours or my money.
They just want to get their anti-war “message” out, as several others have pointed out on this post.
But what is utterly ridiculous to me is the fact that Hollywood actually thinks people will buy their “message”. Don’t they know that we’re all aware of how full of sh*t Hollywood is?
Of all people trying to convey a “message” to the American people, Hollywood is definitely the LEAST qualified to do it– due not only to their lack of understanding of what actually is happening in Iraq, but to their feeling that they can actually make an impact on REAL FAMILIES that have REAL RELATIVES DYING at war; People who could write a more truthful, realistic script by just jotting down their daily life at war.
What message could Hollywood POSSIBLY offer to the real-live people who actually go through these things from day to day?
It’s insulting, and offensive.
If Hollywood would just stick to the “Making-money” game and just make movies that they KNOW we want to see, they would be much better off.
Sorry Hollywood, but you are NOT the arbiters of some amazing message that America needs to hear, because the population of America that resides OUTSIDE of Hollywood is unequivocally more intelligent, and well-versed as to what goes on in the “real-world” than you’ll ever be.
Douchebags!
>No surprise that piece of shit SUPERHERO bombed at the >box office considering its writer/director Craig Mazin >was scabbing during the strike and repeatedly bragging >on his website about getting either seven or ten million >for the script.
And yet another precinct heard from. Surely, hell hath no fury like a union busted.
>it might pleas you to know that the candicate with the >most suport form our troops overseas is in fact Barack >Obama
Proof, please…
All these Iraq movies are an extension of the nightly news. There is so much bush-hating in Hollywood that some feel that they need to make a movie with an agenda. Leave that to filmmakers like Michael Moore. Remember, half of America voted Bush back in and a lot people are turned off by the blatant disrespect Hollywood and liberal media shows to the seat of presidency.
Why aren’t we seeing a movie that portrays Islamic terrorists as the bad guys? Its always ex-Nazis and Columbian War lords. Its always America’s fault?
I liked Kingdom except for the final ear whispering spin.
Will the next bond movie fight al-Queida? I doubt it.
Everyone on this board seems to be complaining about how there have been no movies showing how great America can be in war, yet there was a really good one that came out in December, Charlie Wilson’s War. America did a great job overthrowing the Soviet’s in Afganistan, but also should have learned a lesson then, Afganistan’s geography makes it almost an impossible to have a unifed government or to fight a “civil” battle there.
Charlie Wilson’s War also did terribly at the box office, as it was viewed as an anti-American movie by so many people, who obviously, did not see it.
American’s aren’t pissed off with anti-american movies, look at the Bourne Movie’s which are very anti-CIA/American Government, did amazingly at the box office. I’m guessing because they were more escapist to the population than any of the movies on the current Middle East “wars.”
What’s really funny is that the “studio source” thinks Stop Loss had a great cast! Is s/he out of their mind? Ryan Phillipe, the dope from Step Up, the kid from 3rd Rock, and some actress I can’t even remember? This is a great cast?
And notice how he said “no matter what you put out there, a great cast, great trailers, they won’t come blah blah blah.” How about you put out a movie with a good story that’s, you know, ORIGINAL! Nah, fuck that, let’s get a “great” cast no one gives a shit about, that what sells them.
These morons don’t get it. Not only is the war still going on, but all the films are ABOUT the war in some way. The reason Platoon and Apocalypse Now are great films, is because the movies are not really about the wars themselves, but use the medium of film to explore really large themes of human nature. They contextualize the war in metaphorical ways that are beautiful. All these current movies are very literal, i.e. total garbage. You could argue, but you’d be wrong.
You can tell this article was linked off the Drudgereport. But, so many commenting negatively on a movie who haven’t seen it! I’m a service member who is heading to Iraq and I’m excited to go. Let me get this straight, I don’t think the war has anything to do with 9-11, nor do I see a connection between Saddam and American terrorism. I had friends who where stop-lossed. You know about the potential of it, you aren’t briefed very well about it, and last but not least you don’t think it will ever happen. Most people never considered it. It’s very real, especially to my good friend. Why am I excited to go to Iraq? The damage has been done, and we need to clean it up. That is all. It’s my job, and it’s what I got to do. I hate reading all these chicken hawks spout about “Left-wing this” liberal that. Get off the arm chair and join me! Anyways, has anyone actually seen the movie they are tearing up?
The only logical reason that the American Hating Libs in Hollywood keep making anti-American movies that flop at the box office is that they are looking for
Tax write-offs. Deep down those hypocrites don’t like to pay higher taxes any more than Real Americans do.
>all of these right-wing idiots say the exact same >thing over and over again. Maybe you should get an >education and try thinking for yourselves.
Would reflexively labeling anyone on the right wing an idiot qualify as intelligent discourse? Is so, why? Is that really thinking for yourself? If so, you may wish to let someone else do your thinking for you, if only for a while. You’ve got all those lovely gray cells up their, shame to let them go completely to waste.
>As an ex-soldier and after treating too many psych >patients at the VA, I feel qualified to say that most >free-thinking intelligent soldiers are against this >war.
Might it be that you self select this group? Meaning, could it be you believe them intelligent and “free thinking” as they happen to conform to your world view? There isn’t at least one stupid person in this group? Not even one? If you think hard, and perhaps pass by a mirror, you may be able to discern at least one.
>Get a clue people. A large volume of repetitive posts >spewing idiotic propaganda garbage only makes you all >look dumber.
How true. This is a ridiculous situation. I mean, propaganda messages, all with the same narrow message, who would tolerate this? Oh, right, movie executives. Way to ironically make the point of the people you seem to so dislike. You didn’t mean to do it, take solace in that.
“I am as left winged as they come and I love my country.
Loving a tyrant that has destroyed our currency our markets and our military does not make you an American it makes you a tool.
And from what I gather this country is full of them.”
Comment by Fallout911 — March 29, 2008 @ 11:23 am
Let me guess…you would be a conspiracy theorist whackjob?
I wondered how long it would take for Dems/Liberals to break out the tired old rants that liken patriotic Americans to Nazis or the uneducated “unwashed”. Blow it out yer earhole buddy. Most of this board can and would out debate you any where, any time, precisely because you have to resort to lies, half truths and a strange serpentine logic to get you to a place that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy. Wake up then grow up!
Hey “danger” at 1:44 pm: Be sure to turn-in your citizenship when you leave, following President McCain’s election, and good luck with your pocketful of euro’s. Movies like StopLoss, Redacted and the comparable crap put out by AP & Reuters & BBC and printed by hundreds of newspapers are all doing the death spiral with US audiences. New media are leaving the leftist old media to die. Oh, and your long-hoped for American decline won’t happen anytime soon – while the rest of the world’s citizens all want to come here, and you want to leave, maybe it will dawn on you that your bubble of loony left pals are simply wrong.
Some are spouting that war is not illegal, according to the Constitution it is. The constitution spells out that international treaties are the “Supreme Law of the Land”. Accoriding to the Kellogg-Briand Pact the US has a right to self-defense, but isn’t meant to be an aggressor. Of course, I’ll be called a liberal wack job or something along those lines for pointing that out. I guess Ron Paul would be the only one who agrees with me. Does that still make me a liberal?
It does my heart so good to read so many posts on the idiot movie Stop Loss. I saw the trailer for it at a movie theater in Anchorage and said to my friend. ” Another anti-military movie, won’t be seeing that” Then I noticed the guys in the next row with military hair cuts. I think they appreciated my comment. The Hollywood freaks wont ever get it. They would be the first to be shut down if our country were ever to lose our freedom. I hope I never get to say to these fools “I told you so” because it means we all lose.
I Bet John Wayne could make a good movie about Iraq that was also successful.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results each time. Hollywood has put out over 15 or so anti-American, anti-war movies since Iraq started. Each one has done worse than the one before. And yet they keep making them.
Quoth the soldier,”It isn’t rocket science. I would bet a great deal of money that a positive, pro-soldier, pro-America movie would make millions for them instead of these out-of-touch, anti-war, anti-America films.”
Maybe it is because Hollywood doesn’t think it’s appropriate to glorify the mass murder of innocent people. In fact, such behavior is repulsive no matter who the perpetrators are.
Why not hire serial killers to serve in the Military?
At least we would get some usefulness out of them.
Onward Christian Butcherers!
Randolph Bourne
“As this psychopathic administration now scans its world atlas for new targets upon which to direct its forces of “shock and awe,” it is time for all of us to understand that there is nothing “noble” in the systematic slaughter of people. There is no “honor” in bringing grief and suffering to others; and no transcendent “purpose” in being part of a collective of fungible human beings to be exploited for whatever ends suit those with ambitions over the lives of others.”–Butler Shaffer
Also, to those on here pointing out that they wouldn’t spend “$10(!)” to see “Stop-Loss,” you may have an easier plopping down that money for a movie you actually do want to go see (I’m assuming that most of the critics on here haven’t actually gone to see the film) if the economy were in better shape and was not being exacerbated by the $500 billion and counting we are spending in Iraq. We could be doing more to influence that region as a whole with a lesser price tag and fewer casulties. This war is not being run well; that’s the message of many critics who are American enough to know that in this country we can freely criticize our elected officials and their appointees.
Nh Observer…. “Danger”’s pocketful of Euros is worth more than US dollars. Let’s be clear, you have the right to support a dying regime as it fades to ashes. So please don’t be so cynical as you continue to look vapid. (please look up words you don’t understand before spewing the usual commentary).
It does my heart good to read so many posts on the movie Stop Loss. I saw the trailer for it at a movie theater in Anchorage and said to my friend. ” Another anti-military movie, won’t be seeing that” Then I noticed the guys in the next row with military hair cuts. I think they appreciated my comment. The Hollywood pseudo-intellectuals wont ever get it. They would be the first to be shut down if our country were ever to lose our freedoms. I hope I never get to say to these fools “I told you so” because it means we all lose.
Oh and the guy that wrote “You right wingers are seriously f’ed in the head.” Now that really is insightful….Cant’ ever have a discussion, debate or even comment without a left winger going all emotional. They base their decisions on emotions rather that thought But that may actually require original thought versus regurgitation from other libs.
Proud to be an American
3 rules for being a liberal onlie
1. Always blame Americans first and last.
2. If challenged on any views,
a) call challenger stupid or
b) call challenger redneck or
c) mumble something about
i) Bush
ii Cheney
iii Fox News
3. Use SAT words when you have nothing of substance to say
Fallout911–you’re an idiot. Read a history book, and perhaps you’ll have a true appreciation of what a tyrant is (try lookin in an encyclopedia, under “Hussein, Saddam”). Bush didn’t destroy our economy–we did that all by ourselves. As far as the military is concerned, don’t point fingers at the one guy who had the stones to oppose a real tyrant, and talk about how he should have done it better. Clinton wasn’t a horrible President, but he never opposed tyrrany as strongly as he should have. At least W did something!
Funny how this site conducts constructive respectful discourse until the Bush-loons and the Obama-loons worm their way in
Clinton bashing may be each side’s jealous sport, but during Clinton years there was a nice centrist balance in government, which not accidentally brought the most prosperous time in U.S. history. Plus, no illegal wars, no destruction of our Constitution, and no hateful rhetoric.
How many of those who have criticized Stop-Loss without actually seeing it paid good money to watch “The Passion of the Christ,” which is based on the deluded fantasies of a 19th Century monk and directed by an anti-semite?
Hollywood is full of a bunch of self-absorbed freaks who are completely, 100%, no-hope-left out of touch with America. I’m not just talking about the “heart-land” or red states. I’m talking about anyone who lives outside DC, Hollywood or Long Island.
No one wants to go see a “MTV” movie that is rabidly anti-American, anti-military and supportive of cowards. Like most Hollyweird movies, it makes us out to be lost, scared and confused as a nation.
We aren’t the ones confused – Hollywood is.
Wars are initiated by greedy old men (for oil, land or domination) who are too cowardly to fight themselves so they con the young with patriotic sounding words to kill and die on their behalf. Then they ceremoniously drape their coffins with bright colored cloth called a flag.
So i see complaints on here from the right-wingers who label the few folks on here that disagree with them as pot-smoking, Anti-American socialists and yet also complain when they are being painted as being uneducated. When one side tries to stereotype the other while complaining about the same treatment they are hypocrites.
Hollywood: YOU SUCK. Is that clear enough? How about making an anti-war protester movie or one about how Hillary lies through her teeth? How about making one documenting government waste? How about showing the evil carried out under the banner of Islam? How about making a movie showing the slaughter of innocents by wicked, evil terrorist who would love to kill each & every actor, director and producer who works in sinful Hollywood???
YOU SUCK, and I will not go see your trash, anti-American films.
Salcido, your ridiculous comment clearly highlights your own ignorance. If you think that getting a college education gives you the right to look down your nose at those who volunteer to serve and protect this nation, then you are a pathetic loser. I would submit that more than half of those serving in the military today are much better educated than you are. If you want to associate youself with the losers of Hollywood, feel free to do so — oh yeah, that freedom to do so is guarantee by those who wear the uniform past and present. So go ahead and continue to display your ignorance. By the way, if you and your Hollywood friends are so smart, why do you and your kind keep making movies that fail at the box office and lose money? Don’t have an answer? I didn’t think so.
I spent more than 50 years of my life either as an Army brat or AF officer. Clearly, I am a better man than you.
Keep making lefty Iraq war movies!!! I enjoy reading about the Hollywood left losing money due to “our” ignorance.
Randolph Bourne, if Hollywood doesn’t want to glorify the mass murder of innocents, then why are they so enthralled with people like Castro and Che Gueverra? When did Jane Fonda feel the need to be best friends with the North Vietnamese? They have always sought to minimize the actions of those who hate America, while making it look as if Americans are the biggest terrorists of them all!
My favorite quote of the article was that this movie is “a good movie that is ahead of its time”. So I take it that in the future we will hate the military because they have clauses in their contracts that enable them to extend the time that a solider/marine/sailor or airman can serve if the Country needs them to. I suppose that Hollywood does believe that recruits don’t read their contracts before signing them.
Why are US liberals so pro-terrorist and anti-American? Soldiers are heroes that sacrifice their lives for these hateful liberals. Liberals want to nominate Obama which is a racist and anti-American (according to the facts and videos) too. God Bless America!
There are some of us who choose to live in the real world. Unfortunately that real world has real people willingly killing other people. Randolf is right, There is nothing noble about the slaughter of other people but until such time as ALL people have evolved into peaceful people there needs to be a military. If Randolf can set up first a family who does not bicker or fight, can make a violent man stop beating his wife, then when successful, spread the magic to a small community, the spread the magic further with such peaceful coexistence to a state, then a nation then multiple nations Then I will be wowed, When he can come up with such eutopia I will be the first in line to recommend the disbandment of police in communities, and the military. But as I said I live in the real world where some people through out the world make it necessary for the rest of us to have a police force and military.
Real World
Hey, if I wanted to see a film promoting a loathsome anti-American agenda, I’d watch Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s sermons on Youtube for free.
300 was a great movie that was well received by many Americans.
Stop loss… not so much.
And there are reasons for both.
“War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”
— John Stuart Mill
Stop Loss … yawn.
Yet another anti-military movie bites the dust. How stupid are these film makers?
What victory?? Are you referring to Iraq? So you are saying Hollywood should make some fantasies about Iraq?
There are so many great stories of heroism and valor coming out of Iraq… but you sure wouldn’t know it by what is played in the news and what comes out of Hollywood. I served in Desert Storm… so I have no first hand knowledge of what’s going on now… but I know one guy who’s served 2 tours in Iraq… Marines… his 1st tour he hated it and couldn’t stand it… the 2nd tour he was amazed by the progress… I know another Army guy who told the story of how all the guys in his unit chipped in their off-duty time to rebuild a house for a family who had left the region for several years then returned only to find their house ransacked by insurgents… these are things you just don’t hear about from the news or Hollywood… like somebody once said… you never read about the plane that lands all all the passengers get off and are happy… you only read about the plans that crash…
Very sad…
The term stop loss has been misused in many venues including this political fiction. See the link for a clear decription of the military provision:
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/deploymentsconflicts/a/stoploss.htm
Since we can’t win reality in Iraq, let’s win fantasy. That way, we break even. Wake up, Hollywood! You know what would be excellent? A movie about a talking dog who knows kung fu and beats up Osama bin Laden!
Oh, and yes, I’m a moron.
Randolph Bourne is now labeling our troops as butchers? The get the hell out of MY country commie
All of this was expected. 21 is a hit because it conveys the idea that smart people can win. Horton is basically guaranteed to do reasonably well as it’s about the only choice right now for parents looking to take their kids to the movies. I don’t know much about Superhero but it’s been a long time since anyone made a really good spoof so the law of averages says it probably sucks. Like pretty much every movie of its type, Stop-Loss is doomed because American’s don’t care for movies that blatantly push an agenda (remember Michael Moore? Critics love him of course, but his ‘documentaries’ don’t exactly tear up the box office). Aside from that, everyone’s tired of hearing about Iraq and the Mideast in general so even the ones like The Kingdom which aren’t left-wing propaganda won’t do well.
And we all pretty much concluded that 10,000 BC sucks, so again no surprise there.
I just completed Charlie’s Wilson’s War on Afghanistan and the fall the Soviet Empire. Now Tip O’Neil gave him free rein to bring down the evil empire. Now I beleive an arguement can now be made against the American Left that they created this Jihad. It made sense after I read the Epilogue. But the Epilogue is far from over. Why? At least Charlie Wilson tried to help but his Democratic collegues didn’t help. So one can argue that 9/11 was a product of blowback. Just read the book and it may open your eyes.
Boy calling Republicans stupid. If so how come Democrats call for pull out like they did back in the ’60s? libreral ideas no longer work. They fail every time and history has shown this.
And so another Iraq war movie tanks. If the Fox News Channel produced a movie about all the anti-war flicks that have been DOA at the box office, I think THAT kind of film would be fairly successful. In other words, stick it to the liberals!
$791,691,070
-Michael Moore and Oliver Stone’s combined career grosses. Yeah, they’re out of touch with America.
A friend is being sent back to Iraq. Before he goes he’s stopping by “ground zero” in NY with his family. He wants to visit the reason he’s going to Iraq, to fight the terrorists and to fight them over there instead of over here. He’s brave and patriotic, and brain-washed. Totally indoctinated by our chicken-hawks in power who are getting richer. You never see chicken-hawks do the real fighting. They’re like Islamic extremist leaders who send others on suicide missions. This movie made the point that one soldier did what he thought was his share – time for the others to step up, especially those that are gun-ho-bring-it-on types (usually chicken-hawks).
Stop loss.. hollywierd needs to lose more money, those liberal morons need to live in China,Cuba,Venezuela.. where they cannot open their mouths or find their butts in jail or worse, disappear! hey heres a hint Hollywierd directors,, make a movie which is pro US, pro Western values and the good guy (US) actually does good and wins! it works every time..
When you sign the on the dotted line to become a member of the military, there are no suprises….you are going to be there when your country calls. The young people in the miltary are among the best and brightest.
God bless America and the people who serve.
Signed,
A veteran
If America would stop using its military to murder and wage mismanaged wars that it then loses, maybe Hollywood would have something positive to use.
But for Hollywood to make a positive movie about the current Iraq nightmare, would be pure lies on par with Chinese state propaganda.
And MTV has a point – this military not only victimizes foreign countries now, it even victimizes its own soldiers. Either West Point no longer teaches honor, or all the convicted felons now being desperately enlisted by Uncle Sam just dont care.
Here’s another reason that Hollywood films are losing money. Cinema closures across the united states. When one cinema closes,the less exposure an independent film,a Horton Hears a Who or even 21 and Stop-Loss. Small and medium towns are losing thier metroplexes and mall cinemas. It happen here in Vicksburg Ms over two years ago and the town is still without a cinema. But think about how have the cinema industry contributed to the morass.
If Hollywood is so bent on portraying Iraq, at least buy the story of an actual soldier for the screenplay. How would some guy living in Santa Monica know anything about what it’s like to be a soldier?
So if you are a liberal, that makes you pro-terrorist? I suppose I should have my security clearance revoked and get discharged from the military due to the fact I am considered a “liberal”. I suppose if you are a “conservative” you must be anti-terrorist then and are free to take my job! I’m in my 20’s, but older adults seem like fools. I hate American politics, nothing but name calling. Message boards you just have idiots spouting out useless insults, but when someone brings something meaningful to the table it is ignored. Don’t get me wrong, nothing wrong with being patriotic, but it’s more than symbology. Take action. Do something for your country, remember Kennedy’s words. I just laid 13,000 luminaries at the Nat’l POW museum, do SOMETHING BESIDES ATTACK THOSE WHO OPPOSE YOUR VIEPOINT. MAKE A DIFFERENCE. I’m wasting my time!
Nothing irks me more than Chicken Hawks. They fly the flag and have ribbons and that is all they do. No sacrifices, maybe they know somone who has a kid in the guard or whatever. Their kids are off to college, while the war is on. They take a tax cut while some take bullets. The closest they get to the “sand” is on a trip the beach. They aren’t fighting this war, just the people that criticize it.
The arguement was made that conservatives aren’t allowed to support this war unless they go fight in this war. If that was the case then who would liberals show up to work for. There would be a few profesionals, a bunch of lawyers, and no one left to put pedifiles in jail. Ofcourse NAMBLA would finally have no resistance. You don’t want every conservative over there fighting this war. No one would be left teaching your kids how to grow up and be men.
Re:
What victory?? Are you referring to Iraq? So you are saying Hollywood should make some fantasies about Iraq? Comment by Barbara Bennett
Actually the victory over Saddam was sure and swift. Obviously the aftermath was not envisioned by the military. There are many heroes and victories in Iraq if Hollywood choosed to see them. The people in Iraq if they choose have the opportunity for Democracy while females should have the chance for even greater education and opportunity.
Has there been one movie yet about one of our soldiers who daily gives their lives for their fellow soldiers, countrymen, and for Iraqis? They are their but sadly the Barbara Bennets of the world would prefer only to see USA bashing.
This comment thread is hilarious.
If any of these Repugnican concern trolls slithering out from under their Drudge-lifted rocks had actually seen the film, as I did last night, you would know that the film takes a nuanced and hardly anti-American view of the war.
But please boys, keep the comments coming. It’s educational for us all to know how fired up you can get over something you haven’t bothered to actually research. It’s so much easier to repeat the talking point drivel, isn’t it?
to all of you supporting a war that has nothing to do with capturing Osama Bin Laden, why don’t you volunteer for Iraq duty so that the 80,000 brave soldiers that have been stop-lossed can come home.
I guess since they gave Al Gore a Nobel ,Hollywwod thinks they can unload stinker like Stop-Loss on the American people. Gotta a news flash for them, don’t bash our troops. They are our Sons, Daughters, Husbands,Etc… Atleast the soldiers know how to keep their underware on, not crash their cars on Hollywoods streets and keep their pieholes shut when it comes to bashing the USA. Can’t anyone make a good movie ?
Hey Hollywood. Remember Black Hawk Down? That cleared $100 million. Guess why?
Because the US Army were the HEROES.
Stop blaming the lack of success of your anti-American films on Iraq.
The reason the movie is not doing well is the fact that it is not the usual fantasy about the mighty USA. It is a factual movie so there’s no hiding behind some super hero who shows the world how an American would do things. Get over yourselves and face facts, over 4,000 American soldiers have died for Americas need of oil! Happy to be a liberal.
Comment by chalbe — March 29, 2008 @ 7:57 am
We got most of our oil from Canada and Mexico. GOt it wrong again liberal.
Y’know…Hollywood can keep on churning out their anti-war drivel. But you notice they haven’t done a movie yet about Saddam Hussein? Indeed, the whole war opposition premise depends on forgetting who Saddam really was and what he did. Expect history to include him in their evaluation. Bank it in fact.
“I spent more than 50 years of my life either as an Army brat or AF officer. Clearly, I am a better man than you.”
Jon T.
What arrogant asshole.
Hollywood continues to give us their version of our military, father stabbers and mother rapers. We won’t shell out hard earned $ to see that kinda crap.
This is why i dont PAY for hollywood garbage. The last movie I saw was the PASSION. By the way, the terrorists dont hate us cuz of Bush, they hate us partly because of the sewer that runs straight out of hollywood and into the middle eastern cultures. I said partially your moron.
Let’s face it. Hollyweird makes these movies for our enemies who play them to an appreciative audience at home, Europe who love them and the ME who salivate over them.
“Why are US liberals so pro-terrorist and anti-American? Soldiers are heroes that sacrifice their lives for these hateful liberals. Liberals want to nominate Obama which is a racist and anti-American (according to the facts and videos) too. God Bless America!” — Susan
Susan, you should really stick to giving blumpkins at school. This politics thing is clearly a bit of a strain for you.
I hope the investors in this movie lose their asses! I hate the libs
HOLLYWOOD,
PLEASE MAKE “NO TRUE GLORY”!!!
A Fallujah veteran
The Waco Massacre, 4/19/93, was the most brutal, heinous violation of the Constitution in our nation’s history. Democrats who now protest against panties on terrorists heads tortured their own citizens – including women and children – for weeks before gasing them and machine gunning them as they ran from the flames.(documented in the film Waco, Terms of Engagement) Not satisfied with that they Democrats send storm troopers in the middle of the night to kidnap a boy from his family and send him to a communist gulag. Democrats did this – for the children:
http://www.wizardsofaz.com/waco/waco2.html
http://www.therealcuba.com/elian_gonzalez.htm
Maybe if an Iraqi movie made with a real exit strategy, then I would watch it and bring our boys home.
Until then, we can just pretend that everyone loves the US when they don’t. Unfortunately, that is how the world thinks!
Uh, BARBARA BENNETT, enjoy the video. Victory!!!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=675aa_4207
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I’m soooo glad someone upstream pointed out the link from Drudge. The blind anger and logic-free ranting here against “liberals” and (misspelled, of course) “socilism” seemed to come out of absolutely nowhere, only to feed itself into a vicious whirlwind. Now that I know there’s a link – ah. It’s the echo-chamber of the fringe freepers. Not pleasant, but at least it makes sense now.
EXACTLY LOL, it’s funny to read this stuff and constantly see the same talking points you would hear on Faux News or from Rush “The biggest hypocrite in the world” Pillbaugh — or even from Bill “Where’s the Dildo?” O’Reily.
The hypocracy of these people knows no bounds, they need to take off their tin-foil hats…there is no liberal media lol that’s just the excuse they use when they don’t hear the same nonesense on mainstream sources as they would hear on Rush Limbaugh….Liberal Media? LOL conservates literally own radio and television media.
Here is one of my favorite quotes from one of the biggest neo-cons of all time:
“I admit it: the liberal media were never that powerful, and the whole thing was often used as an excuse by conservatives for conservative failures.”
- Bill Kristol
Yet what do we have here? We have a webpage full of right-wing crazies desperatly trying to convince themselves that SOMETHING….ANYTHING….hasn’t been a complete and utter catastrophie in Iraq.
Now I’ll leave you un-patriotic, ignorant, right-wing, Free Republic / Drudge Report lunitics with some Bush quotes:
I don’t think our troops should be used for what’s called nation-building.
– spoken during a nationally televised debate, October 11, 2000.
Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is.
– criticizing President Clinton for not setting a timetable for exiting Kosovo, April 9, 1999
I think it’s also important for the president to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn.
– again referring to Kosovo, June 5, 1999
I was going to — I pick up the phone and say, Mr. Secretary, I’ve got an interesting question. This is what delegation — I don’t mean to be dodging the question, although it’s kind of convenient in this case, but never — I really will — I’m going to call the Secretary and say you brought up a very valid question, and what are we doing about it? That’s how I work. I’m — thanks.
– answering a question from a Johns Hopkins student about what law governs the actions of private military contractors in Iraq, Washington, DC, April 10, 2006
“We’re going to get [Bin Laden] Dead or alive, it doesn’t matter to me.”
12/14/2001
AND THEN:
Terror is bigger than one person..So I don’t know where [Bin Laden] is..You know, I just don’t spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. …I’ll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him.”
–March 13, 2002 Press Conference at the The James S. Brady Briefing Room
Hello NSR, from 29 March @6:56AM
I’m one of those “crazy right wingers” that followed the link from Drudge.
I also served 20 years in the United States Army. March 2004 – March 2005 saw me serving at Camp Taji Iraq. I retired Oct 2005. I also served in Bosnia and Honduras.
I accept your thanks for your right to spew such crap, that I served to protect. I was stop-loss in Korea in 91 for the first gulf war. I was told, in a company formation. Stop loss means that no one goes to another Unit. Period. If the unit your with is going somewhere, you go. If your unit is kicking back in Korea or Germany—so are you. So NSR, as a Drudge reading, crazy right winger who voted for Bush both times, and served twenty years in the Army, to include Duty in Iraq, I have this to say to you; Why don’t you just say “thank You” and then move the f— out of my sight.
Oh, and when Hollyweird makes a pro-America, pro-Soldier, pro-Military movie, I’ll go see it! I don’t expect to be going to the Movies anytime soon.
Call me “Proud Sergeant who served his country, had fun doing so and would do it again.”
It took 40 years to get a good and accurate movie about the Viet Nam war (We Were Soldiers). Hollywood will probably 80 years to get it right about Iraq.
This film isn’t being carried by the monopoly that owns all the theaters in my area. Maybe they think it won’t be successful, but our area is very liberal politically and many people here would love to see this movie. Are other theater companies making decisions like this for people, denying them a chance to even see this film?
This could be one reason stop-loss isn’t doing well.
MATTHEW,
Thank you for the info about OUTSIDE THE WIRE. I will find it and watch it!
The reason that movies are doing such a pathetic business is that they are such a pathetic product. The American public is just tired of movies that portray middle-class American men as idiots, teenagers as uninterested in anything but sex, and conservatives as evil murder mongering fools. Get it through your cocaine soaked brains… we HATE message movies that are nothing more than thinly disguised anti-American propaganda.
Good GOD, how I long for someone to start making movies like “To Kill a Mockingbird”. That movie had a message. But, at least it was message that was for our good.
If Hollyweird really put out a movie that showed the heroics of our guys I think it would make a ton of $$ – they are so hopped up on their left wing agenda they are blinded to the truth!!
NOONE goes to see these LEFTWING Propoganda movies because we are all smarter than the Elitist Hollywood radical liberals think we are. We will pay to see entertaining, or funny films. We do not care what the director, producer or actors opinions are. Get it! We educate ourself, we make our own decisions on values and morality. And it is almost always diametrically opposed to Hollywoods.
I don’t agree with the way this war started but now that we are in it, I support the troops and their mission. There have been recent news reports saying that bloggers on alqueda web sites are deeply frustrated that they haven’t been able to follow up 911 with any attacks against the U.S. and I think the efforts and sacrifice of our troops are a big reason why further attacks have not been possible. Yes, alqueda was not in Iraq in Saddam days, but they are there now and we can beat them, we are beating them. I have read enough about stop loss now to know that it attempts to impart, at least obliquely by demonizing the army for extending active duty service, a negative message about the efforts and sacrifice of our troops. I decline to see it, I did my service, our army isn’t all about abusing, dissillusioning and traumitizing our troops, its about keeping our country free. And free it is, a woman made stop loss and if alqueda gets its way, women won’t even drive cars.
Flipco44, a hayseed, ignoramus midwesterner, and proud of it
It makes me laugh when I read that all the comments here are negative because the Drudge Report linked to the page and so “right wingers” are posting.
This is exactly the type of self-deluding line of thought that leads Hollywood to continually pump out the crap that they do, and wonder why it flops.
Listen carefully: The reason liberal movies don’t do well is that, in general, people are not liberal and do not hate America. It’s not Drudge, it’s not “right-wingers” –it’s average Americans that don’t like the crap you’re dishing. Ignore that message at your peril.
“The arguement was made that conservatives aren’t allowed to support this war unless they go fight in this war. If that was the case then who would liberals show up to work for. There would be a few profesionals, a bunch of lawyers, and no one left to put pedifiles in jail. Ofcourse NAMBLA would finally have no resistance. You don’t want every conservative over there fighting this war. No one would be left teaching your kids how to grow up and be men.”
Frank
LMAO!
Quiz question #1
On what date did Germany bomb Pearl Harbor?
the first person to answer correctly gets an A for the day.
All,
I am surprised that nobody has brought up. In five years we have lost 4000 heroes which equates to approximately 800 per year. I hate the fact that the news calls this a bloodbath. I was over there and served with several heroes and am sad to have lost a good friend while I was over there, but honestly look at the facts people, here is a list of deaths per year that outpace the Iraq war:
motor vehicle accidents – 47,000 deaths per year
falls – 13,000 deaths per year
poisoning – 7,000 deaths per year
drowning – 5,000 deaths per year
fire – 4,000 deaths per year
suffocation – 4,000 deaths per year
http://agsafety.tamu.edu/ACCIDENTAL%20DEATHS%20IN%20THE%20UNITED%20STATES.pdf
As others have stated maybe we do need a movie about a hero. There is one that comes to mind quite quickly that was awarded to SFC Paul Ray Smith who was killed while defending 100 of his fellow soldiers’ lives outside of Baghdad in the firs few months of the war.
It is sad that any article, movie, comment etc that does not support Bush, the war, torture of POW’s, Theft by Cheney and his company etc is immediately labeled Anti-American.
That’s it, no argument, no discussion.
Oppose Bubba and you must hate apple pie and mom and flags.
This is a nation divided by extremists just as quick to hate and judge as anyone in the middle east.
I guess American’s just aren’t as smart as the Hollywood folks – otherwise they would know that it is their obligation to accept whatever stories their ‘Hollywierd’ superiors chose to allow them, and if they find the result boring or dishonest or even insulting…. well, that is just proof of how unworthy they are of this ‘art’ they are being given.
OK, here is the deal: Hollywood has made ONE modern picture that showed American soldiers as heroes, and that POLICY was the failure (something that CAN be debated)…I’m talking about BLACKHAWK DOWN…a complete failure of an operation given the eventual outcome of it, but the troops who went and did their jobs (just like now) were outstanding…the movie shows this, and that movie did very well…it is one of my favorite movies; if it doesn’t get you pumped up, you have NO PATRIOTISM and are either a bonafide socialist or an Islamofascist sympathizer…if Hollywood could shunt some of their Anti-Americanism aside and make a movie about the current conflict(s) like BLACKHAWK DOWN, it would garner both rave reviews AND make a mint…but I’m not holding my breath!
Mike Manley – great video!! My sentiments exactly!
Yee Haw! Now we got the Waco nuts a weighin’ in! I can’t wait to see who shows up next…!
Ack, the weirdos. Now we bring up Elian? We can go back through each Party’s history. Remember when Nixon let Vietnam fall to the communists? Remember when the Republican’s oppossed the US entry into WWII? Remember when a republican voted against war with Japan? Remember when Regan sold weapons to the Iranians? Remember when Rumsfeld (R) shook hands with Saddam? Remember when the Republicans opposed the US intervening in the Balkans (A gratefull Kosovo!)? Elan and Waco are small when compared to other stuff. I’m sure someone can counter me, which will undoubtedly happen since they won’t read the rest. Every party has something they are ashamed of, each party has it motives. No party is perfect. God I hate politics, nothing but name calling. How does Elan relate to a box office performance? No clue.
On to the movie, anyone seen it?
Oh and chicken hawks are cowards. You want the war, fight too. I fight terrorism with action, what do you do?
For all of those libs out there crying about McCain’s comments about being in Iraq, think about Germany, Korea, Bosnia, Phillipines, Japan, and Cuba. For those liberals who don’t have a historic thought in their brain, these are all places where we have troops still stationed.
Four of those places have troops stationed there even though there is no conflict. Why are we still in Germany, Phillipines, Japan, and Cuba? Because they want us there.
In Korea we have never officially ended that war and from personal experience there are almost weekly shootings at the DMZ. The last one I always get a kick out of, Bosnia. We were sent over there to stop a mad dictator and bring him to justice and that is all. But, everyone knows that is also the same time the Lewinsky scandal was starting, coincidence? We are still there and Milosevic is still in trial at the Hague (his trial has lasted over 4 years so far).
So when you liberals try to say get out of there look at the other places we have bases and how much of a positive effect we have had on these countries. The liberals also ask why the politicians haven’t sent their children, but if the liberals support the troops then why aren’t they sending their children?
Stop getting high on the patchouli oil and thank a vet for doing something they will never have the guts to do.
basketball comment is the winner and I don’t even like basketball.
For a bunch of so-called “enlightened” people in the Democratic party, their ugliness and vitriol are on full display here. These “enlightened” people are the supporters of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama who have no solutions, just beating the drum of hatred against George W. Bush.
That being said, Bush flubbed it. The war was poorly executed. It was a no-win situation no matter how you cut it, but do we have to be continually reminded of it thanks to Hollywood’s need to try and be the political conscience of the world? Will Hollywood film a movie about the bloodbath and the all-out genocide that will take place if Obama or Hillary become commander-in-chief? Will we usher in a new era of touchy-feely politically correct films influenced by Oprah? And when will ABC air the unedited version “The Path to 9/11″ in its entirety without screaming from the Clintons about their culpability?
Now back to the movie. I saw it. It was what it was, but with all due respect to those in our military, I cannot in all good conscience recommend this movie.
I wish I could make $22 + million dollars in 3 days. Seems so unfair how those people in Hollywood make all the money! In that case I would be happy enough to earn the revenue from just 1 day. hehehe
Lemme quote Frank
“There would be a few profesionals, a bunch of lawyers, and no one left to put pedifiles in jail. Ofcourse NAMBLA would finally have no resistance. You don’t want every conservative over there fighting this war. No one would be left teaching your kids how to grow up and be men.”
Thanks for your service Frank. I have to catch a plane to the Sand Box in a few weeks, I’m glad to know that there are “TRUE” Americans behind to teach my daughter how to be a man. I’m sure her father’s admirable actions fighting a war he doesn’t agree with, but is willing to fight since he believes in a thing called democracy won’t teach her a thing. I’m sure she can learn more from a guy who flings insults on the internet, but is of no action. Thank you kind sir, you are truly are a patriot. God bless you, and Americans just like you. United we stand, only some serve.
If Hollywood is can’t ‘find’ any good stories on which to base an Iraqi war movie, try http://www.michaelyon-online.com and buy a story from him. ‘Guitar Heroes’ is probably good for two movies itself.
My wife and I used to go to at least one movie a week, now we hardy go at all. While we did go see “Horton Hears A Who”, it is sad that we are relegated to watching CGI cartoons because so many films are plotless, pointless, violent, anti-American, anti-Christian, vulgar…. shall I go on? To see what Hollywood USED to produce we watch classic B&W movies on TV when America was portrayed as positive, religion was honored, the military ditto, if there was violence it was not for its own sake but essential to the story. And oh yes, there was this little thing called “plot”. Movies were interesting, you had to use your brain when you watched them, and presumably made them. As a sci-fi fan CGI is great, but please, lets have a story. Hollywood is on life-support and the diagnosis is not pretty, but then perhaps the plug should have been pulled already.
Actually, the US is polling better now throughout the Middle East than it probably ever has before. We have a long history of screwing over the people of oil-rich nations in order to secure access to oil, which would have been very simple to do again in Iraq. The spectacle of Americans fighting and dying to secure democratic freedoms for Iraqis for the first time in our history is probably making them rethink some of their assumptions. We won’t know in this generation, but I’m hopeful. When you do the right thing, sooner or later people figure it out.
The people citing the examples of Black Hawk Down and The Kingdom make excellent points. Conservatives don’t want Chuck Norris cartoons. We appreciate a balanced, nuanced perspective which shows the good and bad on both sides.
The reality is that western democratic capitalism is far, far superior to Islamist (or any other kind of) socialism at protecting and preserving the values enshrined in our constitution, including protections which liberals claim to treasure. Start from that reality and stick to the facts, and you’ll probably make a solid and watchable movie.
“On what date did Germany bomb Pearl Harbor?”
That’s funny. What is question number 2?
Gi Joe,
The US does not have troops permantley stationed in the Phillipines, for this is illegal under the Fillipino Constitution. The US sent troops after 9-11 to fight an Al-Qaeda affliated orginazation, but we are not basing there. And, they are there for conflict. No directly, but supporting that conflict.
Second, I came off a tour from Germany, and there are mixed feelings on that. The local gov’t loved the $$$, not sure on the whole “security” concept.
Onto Cuba, the Cuban government surely does not want us there.
Read the news about Japan, the Okinawans aren’t all “Pro” US. Same for the mainlaners.
And onto Bosnia. Bosnia wasn’t about a BJ, that was Sudan. Kharatoum, chemical plant if I remember correctly.
Three words: Black. Hawk. Down.
Ken’s right.
It was a huge success. It painted American leaders as befuddled, confused and incompetent, even if well-meaning. It showed that there was indeed mercy on the part of American servicemen (the kid with the AK-47), it showed how utterly fugged up parts of the world are and the importance of holding together to do a good job in an ugly, ugly situation.
There was the story of the small and large sacrifices that go on every day in combat zones. There was doubt about the mission, and idealism about it, too.
You saw plenty of Americans get killed and you saw plenty of Americans doin’ the killing.
It was full of fear, doubt, maybe even a little hate. (Eric Bana’s character seemed very eager to get out there and do some harm. He says that at the end of the day, it’s the man next to you, but then leaves on his own.)
But over all, there were two things: the humanity of young, brave, decent Americans trying to help one another while trying to do good in the world, even with death staring them in the face and with the knowledge they would have to kill.
It’s a shame Hollywood can’t see straight enough to know that that same story could be told a hundred times in Iraq.
It’s a shame that Progressives can’t believe it’s ever happened.
I will continue to boycott films with a leftist, anti-American agenda as well as individuals who continue to bash our president and our country. There is a growing list of people who I have chosen to boycott. I have simply had enough and my wallet is the only tool I have to demonstrate my displeasure. Ironically, hitting them in their wallets is the best way to shut them up. Hypocrites.
Read all the liberal comments here. Liberals are the elitict’s in our society. They think they are better than the rest of us and so they should govern the rest of us. I as most true Americans feel that government is not meant to control, but to guard the will of the people. Liberalism is a disease, it is caused by the media. Anyone that is liberal is brainwashed or too stupid to understand simple logic. Look at France and all the other socialisms in Europe, they don’t work. If you want a society of whining, complaining, elitists with no back bone or skills to offer then vote democrat by all means. If you want a free society think for yourself, don’t let the liberal elitict media do it for you.
By the way, liberal bloggers don’t think for a minute liberals are more highly educated. That is ridiculous. The democratic party is made up of two types of individuals.
1) Extremely wealthy eliticts, who yes may be wealthy, but are so removed from reality they don’t understand freedom and the true meaning of the United States.
and
2) Don’t shoot me, but individuals looking for government handouts who are afraid to fend for themselves.
You Lib’s sicken me and most freedom loving Americans. It is not that you mean to be so moronic, you just don’t get it. Freedom is not about the easy way out, it is about the will to fight for what this country is based on.
LOL Have you been to the DemocraticUnderground yet? It goes both ways asshat.
“and (misspelled, of course) “socilism”
OK this childish game huh? Then you need to learn how to spell one of these words. Can you guess which one?: “The hypocracy of these people”
Can you see your idiocy?
“conservates literally own radio and television media.”
Ted (CNN) Turner is a conservative???
http://bloodtoiltearsandsweat.blogspot.com/
These Anti-American themed movies aren’t made to do well in the US. Hollywood is smart. They know their audience. The money will be made overseas where the films will play to huge audiences of America-Haters just wanting to justify their murderous behaviour. Hollywood validates US-hatred overseas for the $$. Now that’s sedition, and a healthy profit. Captialism at it’s finest. None of these greedy dumbasses see their own abreviated futures when the militant wing of Islam takes over this country. They will be the first ones beheaded to purify the culture. Take a good look at Europe. Sharia law is being adopted in many small cities and some larger ones. This will not stop untill all of Europe is Islamic. The US will be next. This is not fear-mongering, just read any European newspaper and follow the events at the local level. If that doesn’t help you see the light, be ready to kiss your own butt goodbye in a few years.
Dear GI Joe,
WTF? Thanks for the “history” lesson, but you need to get off your high horse and spend a little more time researching your facts:
“Four of those places have troops stationed there even though there is no conflict. Why are we still in Germany, Phillipines, Japan, and Cuba? Because they want us there.”
Cuba wants us there? Uh yeah, okay.
“…Bosnia…We are still there and Milosevic is still in trial at the Hague (his trial has lasted over 4 years so far).”
That would be interesting for him to hear…except that he fucking died two years ago, ending the criminal proceedings against him!
“Stop getting high on the patchouli oil and thank a vet for doing something they will never have the guts to do.”
I’d suggest you stop getting high on your own self-importance and get a reality check.
Here’s the thing. George W. Bush screwed up. Donald Rumsfeld was a horrible Secretary of Defense. Paul Bremer was an idiot. Buuut, we’re there, and we need to finish the job. The highest-grossing Iraq movie has been The Kingdom, which showed Americans and Saudis working to gether to stop a terrorist group. Most of these other Iraq movies show American soldiers as murderous thugs, which is unfair and untrue. I had family serve out there; my next door neighbor’s had two tours. One reason I think McCain has a good shot of winning in November is because he seems like the kind of guy who could get the job done in Iraq, unlike Dubya. Stop-Loss may be a “good” movie, but why would my wife and I spend the $25 to see it in theaters? I’ll just wait and see Leatherheads next week, catch Stop-Loss on DVD, like I did Day Zero (which sucked).
Oh, and GI Joe: Milosevic died in 2006.
What’s with the fellow vets who seem to be under the impression that they protect free speech and the right of others to “spew such crap”?
I served 3rd ID 88-92, and I do not recall any engagement to protect free speech here in the States.
In fact, there has not been a military conflict since WWII which was fought directly or indirectly to protect us, or our freedom of speech. So cut the crap and get off the high horse.
I could not help but notice the many suggestions for a movie that portrays us in a positive light, a movie that isn’t “anti-American”.
Well, Hollywood is bad enough already. The last thing intelligent moviegoers want to see is a bunch of feelgood nonsense not based in reality.
We say we want our polticians to tell us the truth, but we are perfectly fine with Hollywood churning out films that mask reality.
Make a choice folks. You can either grow up and accept reality (and the fact that we’re imperfect and not always the good guys), or you can continue to live in ignorance and let our fellow vets pay the price on the front lines of wars that have nothing to do with protecting us or our freedoms.
Stop-loss was an awesome movie. People do not want to see it because it is the truth about what people are going through in Iraq and when they come home. War is hard on everyone in the situation. The movie was made with help of the active army now. My father was in the army and he fought in wars and he thought the movie was honest whether it was anti-american or not. These people sign up for the army when they finish their time they should decide if they want to go back or not. If you people are so pro-war then why aren’t you over there fighting it?
I don’t care about the Iraqi’s…apparently a lot of douchebags suddenly did when the WMD’s didn’t turn up. You guys are pathetic, and will do anything to rationalize a complete waste of money & human lives. 4,000 Americans dead & 25,000 wounded & a trillion dollars for nothing, and you pathetic and stupid blind supporters are apparently going to keep on supporting this…waiting for your silver lining. The Shiites, Sunnis, and Kurds hate each other and have for centuries…as soon as we leave they will kill each other until one gains power. If you want to delay this for another couple years, it will only cost us a couple more thousand Americans and another trillion bucks. I don’t care about Iraq, and I don’t care what Saddam did…Reagan didn’t care either…for all you ignorant rednecks out there spoutin off about Saddam’s atrocities. The US supported Iraq all through the eighties in their war against Iran, and helped him hold his power and militarize (i noticed a couple of “history buffs”…that tidbit is for you).
As for this movie…not going to see it…couldn’t care less. And anyone who blindly supports their leader & their military, just like Germany did in the ’30’s…is also an idiot.
The last thing Liberals think they learned about the South is watching “Hurry Sundown.” Nobody is more ignorant about the History of the South than Liberals. It is all stereotype and ignorance.
people are not ready to admit to the utter failure their war is. Thats why stop-loss will not do well. once you see the truth, its hard to walk out of the move theater with your head not held down in shame.
see stop loss and accept the truth.
Fucking anti-American Hollywood! I refuse to patronize your horrible, demeaning tales of American culture and its citizens. “Run, Fat Boy, Run”? How dare you!
All I can say is: Horton is a great kids movie and, I agree, Hollywood is not going to make any heroic war movies unless the war is at least 50 years in the past and somebody gets nostalgic.
No wonder Superhero movie is tanking. The one star with any teen appeal is wearing a mask in all the advertising!?! Unless you read the fine print, you’d never know Drake Bell was even in the movie. Did the Winey’s really think kids would flock out to see Leslie Nielsen? Duh! Obviously, some of the stupidest marketing in the history of movies.
very few people will pay to see more anti-war garbage.
But, hey, when was a retarded political agenda ever a major obstacle for a movie producer?
Bush, Cheney, et al. privately laugh their asses off that there are enough mindless morons who’ve bought their war, who continue to defend Iraq and who are so emotionally invested in it
They cannot believe their good fortune there are still 25% of the population who are such idiots
FYI, the foundation of this country is the 1st amendment which is the right to speak out against your government. Those who are so hostile to and threatened by criticism are therefore UN-AMERICAN
Hollywood is intent on making the US look bad when they produce a film on the war.
Let’s see them show some TRUE courage (for them) and make one that tells an accurate story about the terrorism that is happening around the world.
It would be refreshing – and would probably make them a lot of money.
Paramount wasn’t expecting much because no Iraq war-themed movie has yet to perform at the box office. “It’s not looking good,” a studio source told me before the weekend. “No one wants to see Iraq war movies.
Then why do they make one every other month?
I hope the IRS is checking their bookeeping if they
can make flop after flop just because all the millionaire CEO’s out in Hollywood hate Bush.
How are they able to spend the money on these flops.
No one in Hollywood cares what the pubic wants because they have some odd bookeeping system and to win awards they have to make trash America movies.
Aside from the premise of Stop Loss being absurd (and as a retired Air Force Lt Col, I also know the premise to be false depiction of the concept of “Stop Loss”), and aside from “Hollywood’s” obvious bias and insistence upon making movies about the war on terror that advance their squewed view of the post-9/11 world, you would think that after so many financial flops the money people would get the message that the vast majority of Americans “get it” and understand the consequences of failure in Iraq. With thousands of wonderful stories out of Iraq and Afganistan that would make terrific movies (one example is the recently published “Sole Survivor”), it is my hope that a producer will emerge with the guts to go against the Hollywood norm and present just one of those stories of courage, duty, and self-sacrifice.
You filth pig commie libs have attempted to obstruct the prosecution of this war on every front. You have deliberately and with malice aforethought managed to create the impression that our military forces are composed of brutal thugs; while at the same time coddle the terrorist we are fighting. Rather than being the “loyal” opposition, many of you have descended at times, I believe, to actual treasonous behavior. The Democrats, in particular, have shown repeatedly that they hate President Bush more than they love this country. You fake libertards are despicable!
You carry the responsibility for enabling the deaths of many by giving the terrorists a cheerleading/apologist section on the world stage. As a result of your continued thoughtless and malevolent facilitation of terror and terrorists, many, many more will ultimately die. As long as you continue to engage in enabling behavior for terrorists, I will continue to unreservedly and unabashedly bash you at every opportunity.
You seem more dedicated to being perceived as “fair” and “tolerant” than face stark reality. It does not take a genius to figure out neither of these qualities could be applied to the religious fanatics who blow themselves up in crowded markets; fly planes into buildings; and crow about the number of people they have murdered for their god. You have nothing to offer except a vision that correlates closely with that of the enemies we fight.
Projection, denial, and displacement are the source of almost all human misery, genocide, racism, anti-Semitism, sexism, and now terrorism that we see all over the world. If you want to know where these attitudes originate, then you need to look no further than your own face in the mirror, not at the conservative American.
Without exception we have the most honorable and disciplined military force in the world. Its past time for them to be properly portrayed for the heroes they are. Fuck Hollywood and the Marxist whore they rode in on.
I honestly think that all these comments below about Stop-Loss are made by people who have NOT seen the movie, most likely because they are afraid to go see it.
Here are a few corrections:
1. The movie has not failed because it has the 3rd best Per Screen Average of the week. It simply has not opened at as many screens as other movies.
2. The movie is not portraying the soldiers as stupid rednecks AT ALL. If you’d like to hear this from soldiers or military wives themselves who have seen the movie, go check out the website http://www.stoplossmovie.com/Soundoff
or the facebook and myspace sites of the movie.
3. This movie can be almost considered written by a soldier because it is based on so many interviews with soldiers, the director says that there were actual soldiers present on the set all the time etc. Military.com loved the movie, if that says anything…
Do you know how to get a liberal to shut their mouth? Punch them in their pie hole. Then tell them that they are right. Violence doesn’t solve anything. And then punch them in their stupid ass pie hole again. Sooner or later they figure that they have to fight back or get their ass whipped.
That’s the only way that these spineless bastards will start to understand what these terrorists are trying to do to all of us. Be like them or die. Keep appeasing them all you want. Just do it in France with all of your other cheating, lying, socialists.
One of the things that confuses me about you leftists concerning the troops is why you never ask when are the troops coming home from the Clinton’s Kosovo War?
They have been there almost 10 years now. Are you not concerned about them as well? Or most likely you don’t care about them because it is not Bush’s war.
to all the libs out there. you are all just pissed bc you know were right. it is more difficult to be right than take the easier, lazier way around things.
PTTTTHHHWT! to you! and goodnight.
Im sure this blog set record bc of all of us morons that get the “other” news from drudge. stop being mad at him bc he blew CLintons BJ cover up
This movie has many true points behind it. It was not made as an anti-American film. It was based on the real soldiers and there stories. I am highly conservative and went and saw this movie. It was a moving film that makes us take a look at what we are doing to the young men and women who are risking their lives in Iraq. Please I hope the people bashing the movie have seen it before they are making judgement on it.
I haven’t been interested in anything Hollywood has to say since they began trying to influence the way I think about politics. I won’t shop at a WalMart either if the clerk tries to tell me how to think or vote. They need to stick to their business and keep their freaking politics off their sleeves.
as a great episode of the simpsons recommended to stop attacking sales ads, Just ignore them and they will go away!
check out the article in the Village Voice by the writer letting up his hatred of George Bush… He compares him the Kennedy and the “Election Stealing Shenanigans” he pulled in Chicago.
Not to mention, Joe Knenndy was a bootlegging crook.
Misspellings are ok you snotty liberals… its a blog, not a term paper, you d!ckheads.
you cant spell, therefore you are dumb, vote for us and we will make it all better !!!!
My son will be Stop-Loss provisioned in Iraq for three extra months. He is a hero and supports our country and our freedom. I’m proud of his eagerness and attitude to serve. Anyone who is against this legal policy and the war should just realize that they are in the minority and are most likely cowards.
stupid right wing hicks
you all vote republican and are too stupid to recognize the policies you vote for are designed to screw you over
you are the reason republicans won’t fund better education – better education means you’ll finally wise up
Why Iraq War films don’t do well…
Remember Me
FYI: As posted at… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ervaMPt4Ha0
Arlington (Trace Adkins)
FYI: As posted at…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPaXaZczlsQ&feature=related
If You’re Reading This: (Tim McGraw)
FYI: As posted at… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEjz-wAQLSA&feature=related
Arms of the angel Fallen hero’s tribute (Sara Mclachlan)
FYI: As posted at… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6TfTC5opwc
Please Remember Me
FYI: As posted at… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nptA5uj6ZRY&feature=related
SGT MacKenzie (…”when they come, I’ll stand my ground”… the musical score used in We Were Soldiers 2002)
FYI: As posted at… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvQuIcT9AUs&NR=1
Most Americans still know the differance between S**t and shinola…
Fuck fly-over country!
Um, how many troops have died in Kosovo, and how much money is it costing? Who started that conflict?
Hollywood just doens’t get it. Stop producing anti-American drivel. We would have never won WWII if we had the current news media and entertainment establishment. Where is Frank Capra when we need him?
The Left and Right will never see eye to eye. It’s like listening to an adolescent debate about religion. It is damn near impossible for either side to be civil and respectful, let alone mature and intelligent.
I have a simpler solution. Move out of the country. Wait a decade or two for the Left and Right to annihilate each other. Then move back. By then the government should be more reasonable and the real estate prices should be a steal.
Film anti-American?!? Surely you realize that the film portrays the right of everyman to choose his destiny. Men and women of the military have fought and died to preserve our freedom as Americans to disagree with the government. Major polls show that the majority of Americans do not support a war started under false pretenses. Shut off the t.v. and wake up. This country has been hijacked by the military-industrial complex and martial law is next. Fight back while you still can. That’s why I support this great movie. It shows a realistic point of view. I would argue that this movie IS in touch with the American people. I would argue that our tyrannical government is not.
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Really? So who’s fighting the war, liberals? What a joke. Liberals always seem to forget that the military voted for Bush in huge numbers in 2004.
Keep up the good work, Drudgies. Remember, they hate us for our freedom!
I am currently deployed to Iraq, for the second time. I am a National Guard Soldier. My biggest question, “Why doesn’t some producer get an actual Soldier to advise them on these issues”? The movie should have been called IRR (Inactive Ready Reserve) this would have effected the character in the movie not Stop-loss. Stop-loss only efeects those that are currently deployed. You can’t be pulled out of college for a deployment either why was he not in school? It would have been fully covered by most State Universities?
Kelly
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Really? So who’s fighting the war, liberals? What a joke. Liberals always seem to forget that the military voted for Bush in huge numbers in 2004.
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Why do liberals think that the First Amendment only protects their views? The First Amendment is not one sided. I have just as much right to support the government and the soldiers.
Sure, the movies producers have the right to make “Stop Loss” (they may have to answer to their stockholders). But, I also have the right to not pay $10 (and waste 90 minutes of my life) to see their movie. (Just like I have the right to not buy Dixie Chicks’ music)
Maybe Stop-Loss did so poorly because it sucks. Did anyone think of that.
JT — March 29, 2008 @ 6:43 pm:
…And Slobo ‘ethnic cleanser’ Milosevic led various sundry Communist cadres as well as the Socialist party of Yugoslavia until his 2006 death…In the custody of the Hague war crimes tribunal.
Proudly underwritten and brought to you through the kind sponsorship of America.
Hollowood even deigned to grace us with a couple herocentric movies set during that other “illegal war” where we bombed a foreign capital – and communist Chinese embassy – whilst leading and largely financing the fumigation of yet another fascist ratnest that the Union of European Socialist Democrats somehow wouldn’t/couldn’t bring themselves to oppose with more force than a strongly-worded resolution or two.
Stroll Hillary, stroll! Watch those snipers!
The neo-liberal blue-blooded urban elites have even taken to recycling the same ‘Fukem, let them deal with it, we have no right to intrude’ arguments regarding our intervention in Iraq today that some Republican Congresscritters attempted then. Except this time the great leftist deciders deem it ok now beause the Eeeeeevil GWB “monkey” – with an MBA – actually had the uppity temerity to act upon the decade of Democrat chicken-hawking regarding Saddam (yet another brand of socialist).
What a frigging catastrophe! A veritable quagmire the cry goes. Vietnam II as is widely hoped.
~Mommy~
25 million Iraqi men, women (allah forbid), and yes, even Shia arabs within the heart of theocrat-dictatorville now enjoy their newly constituted right to vote for whomever they may choose, and it doesn’t even have to be an Iraqi national socialist (again that word) Sunni Baath party operative. Al Qaeda in their central front Iraq – which had nothing to do with Saddam(TM) – is being smashed on an anvil of hardened ISF troops – supported by heavily armed American soldiers.
Verily I ask you, how ever will this drooling redneck nation of ignorant, Walmart-loving, NASCAR guzzling, Bushitler freaks survive these “unsustainable” costs amounting to a lesser number of years murders on Californian city streets?
Yup! The sky is falling because of GW McChimpster and hi$$ devil OIL that feeds the hegemonic imperialist AmeriKKKan war machine that’s polluting mother Gaia and all the world’s oppressed vegan puppies with their evil capitalist freedom!
“Peace in our time”. “Never again”… Have proven to be empty leftish platitudes doomed to rinse and repeat in the absence of any real will to put their organic mochachinos and Ipods down for long enough to fight for human dignity and freedom with more vigor than it takes to crow at every setback, or maybe chant along with their favorite smug celebrity edumacatin’ at them during yet another ‘free -insert fashionable cause-’ concert.
The irony of the standard Hollywood terror narrative is that the archetypical PC Liberal left ‘foreign terrorist’ (when they ever admit to the possibility of such a thing) is still much more often than not, depicted as a nationalist Serbian…Socialist who would align with their worldview more closely than a Conservative American ever would.
America FTW!
same things thats happening with the newspapers – bombing…the anti/non Christians in the media are perverted lost people, the the audience can’t relate to their therapy, prescription drugs, homosexuality, billionaire status, self infatuated sociopathic personalities. Most of the country believes in Jesus, not Sigmund Freud. Until they stop worshipping the golden calf we will not go see.
“FYI, the foundation of this country is the 1st amendment which is the right to speak out against your government. Those who are so hostile to and threatened by criticism are therefore UN-AMERICAN”
Here is where you Libs miss the point. The First Amendment is between you and the government. I am not obligated to accept your crap. I happen to agree with those that YOU attack, and it is MY free right to defend them as I see fit. You can complain all you want to the government, just be prepared to accept the backlash from thos who you have pissed off!
The article quotes a “studio source” regarding Stop-Loss as saying:
“It’s a function of the marketplace not being ready to address this conflict in a dramatic way…”
Yeah, that’s one way of putting it. Another way would be to say that it’s a “function” of Hollywood being completely clueless anymore as to what passes as entertainment among the American people (”the marketplace,” as they identify us). Jaded, cynical antiwar propaganda movies trying to make “statements” — no matter how well intentioned or even spot-on — are not what audiences crave. Duh.
Until Hollywood starts reinventing its tired shtick — and going back to making great films that resonate with the Americans — the hemorrhaging will continue.
The one thing liberals enjoy doing more than hating America is fawning over evil murderous dictators. (i.e. Chavez, Castro, Stalin, etc)
I see all the couch-jockey soldier right-wingers are worrying about the america-hating left instead of worrying about their own armed forces stuck in a country that doesnt want us there for the last five years. Please o me a favor, go take a flying leap, and join the fight if you’re so committed to this fiasco. STupid right-wing zombies, pissing and moaning about the left, blah blah blah. Is Bush leftist? Rumsfeld? You’ve had your right-wing commanders and they’ve failed. Face it idiots. Oh yeah, Stop-Loss is a flim about real soldiers facing a real problem, not left-wingers who havent joined this war. its also not about country-clubbing suburban repubs who have given zero to the war effort except their own hot air.
Get a clue. You really think all the soldiers support this war? Wake up. You aging white turd males can keep spouting your stupid ancient commie pink leftish names, but thank god you fossils will soon be in the ground. You are the worst kind of patriots, all talk and no thought. Get a sense of humor, too, while you’re at it.
By the way, elitist is spelled with an s, uneducated yokel. I suppose you’re stupid enough to believe that George Bush is not an elitist, even though he’s taken you idiots to the cleaners. I guess you adore him because he’s s spoiled white moron like you are. Oh wait, he’s got the worst numbers of any president in history. Its not just libs that hate him, idiots. By the way, there’s plenty of us on the left that will put you down when you right-wingers show yourselves to be the true anti-democratic seditionists that you really are, namely in the rural areas of the West and the ever-stinking uneducated South. Your supremacist bullsh*t is slapped down by the govt daily. Lets see your minority of angry white fags try to take over. Yeah, I didnt think so. Keep up your stupid yapping, paid for by inheriting daddy’s pigfarm. Dont worry, I know the same 5000 right-wing nazis make noise all over the place, paid by the true corporate elitists.
Enjoy losing all your money in the stock market courtesy of your right-wing hero capitalist ripoff artists.
First things first,
I am a United States Army Officer.
I come from middle class America.
I am a college graduate.
I have all of my teeth and am not in danger of becoming homeless in the near future (I hope).
I have served in the military, gotten out and worked in the civilian market, and have returned to service because I enjoy my job in the Army more and I enjoy being around soldiers more than civilians.
I stated the above because I do not want anyone to mistake my comments as something coming from someone who has not actually been to Iraq and served this great nation. I served in East Baghdad (Sadr City and Adhamiya) in support of OIF 06-08. I spent a year in country, led around 200 combat missions, had a zero per cent casualty rate, and had a genuinely enjoyable experience (for the most part).
Hollywood is again missing the mark (again) with “Stop Loss”. Yet again they try to denigrate those who serve, the units they serve, and the nation that they serve. The concept of this movie is ridiculous and asinine. Stop loss simply does NOT work the way this movie portrays it. There are ways to be brought back into service (IRR call-up), but unless you have not fulfilled your Military Service Obligation, then there is usually an avenue to allow you to decline further service.
Something that amazes me is when people say “I support the troops, but not the war”. Here’s a hint guys, the troops SUPPORT the WAR!. Don’t believe me? Go to an Army base and ask around? Too much trouble for you to do? Ok. Read up on the army re-enlistment rates. They are beating their quotas every quarter. Here’s the thing, and this is in no way to be taken as disrespect to Vietnam Veterans (my father is one, by the way) but no soldier wants to be associated with a lost war. This war is very winnable. The surge is working, Al Qaeda is on the ropes and once they are finished off in Iraq, then we can turn our attentions solely on the Jaish al Mahdi (JAM). Once we have taken those guys out then there shouldn’t be any more insurgency, so to speak.
Ok, back to the movie, here’s a little bit of info for the ill-informed. Most soldiers are very proud of the units that they serve under and are very proud to wear the uniform. 82nd Airborne Division (where I served), Rangers, 10th Mountain, 101st Airborne, The Big Red One, etc. All of the soldiers in these units are fiercely protective of the honor of the unit. To wear the patch and insignia for one of these units is an honor that most soldiers wouldn’t trade and when a movie is made bashing the unit, then how do you think soldiers are going to feel?
Long story short. This movie will fail because most people in America do in fact love America. They support our soldiers, and they realize that you cannot say that you support the soldier while at the same time bashing him, stereotyping him, victimizing him, and using him for an ill-informed political sentiment.
“Jawbreaker 6″. Out.
“The one thing liberals enjoy doing more than hating America is fawning over evil murderous dictators. (i.e. Chavez, Castro, Stalin, etc)” –Patriot
Wow, what a deep thought. Your insight is stunning. Patriot my ass–dumb fuck more like.
Insanity – a: extreme folly or unreasonableness b: something utterly foolish or unreasonable
Someone once described insanity as doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Would it be going too far to describe these Hollywood producers and directors as insane?
I can’t think of one movie about the war in Iraq/War On Terror that has been successful. It seems there is a lot of money out there just waiting to be wasted on anti-American films.
It’s not that we’re not ready to watch an Iraq war-themed movie; I avoid it because I don’t want to pay $10.50 and sit through 2 hours of being lectured to and watch our soldiers portrayed as the bad guys or somehow we’re a bad a country. This may be a good movie after all but I’m so cautious with Hollywood’s view of our country and military that I’m playing it safe by avoiding such movies altogether. By the way, it doesn’t even have to be pro-war; I’ll be willing to watch a movie that at least portray our soldiers in a good light and highlight their sacrifices and heroism. Ultimately, I go to the movies to be entertained, not to be preached at and lectured and made to feel bad about the country I love. I already have my fill watching the meainstream media and reading the newspapers.
I’m just a peace time Navy vet from the 90’s. I’m about as much as a hero as the guy who made your subway sandwhich today. But I swear I remember no such thing as “Stop loss”. You serve 8 years….if your inactive you can be called back. Simple as that. Stop loss, in truest sense, is only when your ALREADY deployed.
Maybe being a non combat vet gives me no right to say this, but seeing a guy go AWOL makes me kind of sick. I sure in the hell hope I would never had done something like that.
rubbernecker: Thank YOU! for your comments!
You’ve just confirmed every sterotype American’s have about the “angry left” in this country. YOU won’t fight for this country; yet you criticize anyone who does. In your own view, YOU are “smart”. “Patriots” (particularly those guys from the South who volunteer in place of the libs) are “dump f–k’s”.
Not quite. Patriots are the bold, the heroic, and the selfless. Leftists like you are the small-minded, cowardly, and self-absorbed. (Oh, and don’t go trying to twist the English language to create “patriots” out of those who are not.)
The “Stop-Loss” movie is a lie, or a bunch of little lies strung together to represent a leftist mythology. American’s won’t pay to see a lie. And, American’s won’t support a lie, either, whether it’s named “Kos”, or “Clinton”, or “Obama”. Leftist lie and twist words to defend the indefensible.
Those military guys who represent “the tip of the spear” don’t believe in lies – they can’t, because they live and die in the real world. (I know this from personal experience.)
Finally, back on point: If a Hollywood producer want’s to make a lot of money and is willing to put his politics on the back burner, all he or she needs to do is create a weekly mini-series feature real-life heros from the Afghan-Iraq Wars. I’m not talking about the John Kerry “.. oww..I cut myself so I can get my third fake purple heart; Now I can go home to use the anti-war movement to make my fortune…” type of hero’s. I’m talking about the real deal, sons and daughters of our country who answered the call after 9/11, who selflessly dropped everything and answered their country’s call to arms. There are enough heros from the last five years of war that they’d never run out of good material, nor would they run short on viewers.
I’ve no doubt that STOP-LOSS will be viewed as successful, relevant, and ahead-of-its-time … by the French.
>Maybe it is because Hollywood doesn’t think it’s >appropriate to glorify the mass murder of innocent >people.
Really, Randolph? Hollywood does not glorify violence and the “mass murder of innocent people”? I am sure you are right. Let’s see, looking at the local movie listings, I see that my favorite theater is showing Dumbo, Snow White and Peter Pan.
Let me ask you a question. Is the world you live in populated with unicorns and, in this happy little world, do Skittle rainbows appear spontaneously in the sky after a rain shower? It might seem so. How lovely for you.
>In fact, such behavior is repulsive no matter who the >perpetrators are.
No doubt, Randolph, no doubt. Given that the killing of innocents occurs on a daily basis, what do you propose to do about it? Have a little sit down strike to register your displeasure with the barristas at the local Starbucks? Or, perhaps, maybe, just maybe, you might be able to wish away all of the bad things in life. Sprinkle a little pixie dust, do a little dance, and voila, evil conquered! I envy you your world view.
>Why not hire serial killers to serve in the Military?
>At least we would get some usefulness out of them.
Huh?
>Onward Christian Butcherers!
>Randolph Bourne
Bit full of yourself, Randolph? Have to sign with your own little slogan *and* your full name? Being the mayor of ToonTown might make one feel all self important like, but try to keep it in your pants in public, big guy.
>I see all the couch-jockey soldier right-wingers are worrying about the america-hating left…
Was this a slip of the finger? Did you mean to give away that the left hates America? Is this some new strategy cooked up at a Democratic encounter group/grievance festival? If so, I think it bold, and timely.
As such, I suggest a new slogan for you:
*The Democratic Party: We Run Like Girls, *and* We Hate America.
>Wow, what a deep thought. Your insight is stunning. >Patriot my ass–dumb fuck more like.
Wow, way to be deep and insightful in response, Tom! Good job!
To all you stupid liberals who rant and rave crap about your own country and in the same breath tell us how you support our troops…..Prove it! Why don’t you take some time and thank these brave men and women by donating some of your money to great causes such as The Fisher House, Operation Intrepid or the USO. Oh, I forgot….you need to buy some coke…..guess thats what it takes to understand “Hollywood”…shame on me for not having the “intellectual understanding” that you liberals have.
Non-military types do not know that if you serve 4 – 6 years in the military, you are placed on inactive reserve once you separate. There is an 8 year commitment total. They can call you back at any time during that timeframe.
No one wants to see Stop-Loss becouse we are burt out on Iraq. If you were a person who followed the news at the time of our invasion, you knew how wrong the reasoning for going to war was. But after 5 years of propaganda, loss of rights, and trying to get the media to investigate the truth, one comes to terms with the idea that the whole thing was a scam. Who wants to go the the movies to show how they were duped?
It does my heart good to see the majority of these comments by fellow Americans in defense of God and Country and telling Hollywood the truth about their lousy movies. Thanks to all of you. Hollywood keeps insisting we are in the minority….No they are. I have been disappointed in many of the films: Mist, Legend, etc..The characters do not do things that normal humans would do in that situation. They assume people are stupid in adversity. The opposite it true..look at the stories of people involved in 9/11. The heroism of our soldiers. We are a truly clever, heroic Americans..Make movies that reflect that. But NO….
MTV: Marxist Tele-Vision
These guys now have a series called “Sweet Sixteen” where they just featured a gay cross-dresser and his/her twisted aspirations. This is warped, propagandist media, trying to convince our young people that being queer is “normal”, or something to be celebrated. These kids are invariably from dysfunctional households, yet MTV wants us to believe guys sucking D*** is what all males SHOULD want to do, or women licking P**** is what all females SHOULD want to do.
And, of course, same-sex coupling with P**** men supposedly in the military would be crying about “Stop Loss” authority the military has when evaluating force levels and discharges that volunteers willingly and knowingly signed. I’m a veteran, and I knew the full terms I signed up for. I don’t need, nor do I want the pity of my fellow Americans. And I certainly don’t appreciate MTV making me out to be a victim of any kind of my nation or the prevelant “misguided war” notions the left has.
Every time I see movies like this blatantly anti-war movie bomb at the box office I crack up. As if the producers, directors and financers of this anti-American, anti-military drivel think the public really wants to pay to see leftist, hateful propaganda that disparages our brave and honorable military.
I’d wager that Osama is laughing at Stop Loss in his cave, and Saddam and Zarqawi are howling from hell.
Perhaps NObody really wants to see another MTV movie; war or not, MTV films are throw-away films.
Leslie Nielsen in Superhero Movie? Uhm, no thanks. These stinkers get cranked out every month now: enough.
21 looks smart but I sure don’t see a CASABLANCA out there anywhere this weekend.
Can’t Hollywood learn a trick or two from indie writers like Diablo Cody and just, ya know, write well?
Why won’t I see Stop-Loss?
I find the movie melodramatic in its trailers. Given the cost of seeing films today, I’m not going to risk an evening of expense on a film that looks poorly made.
Regardless of how you feel about the war or how different sides of the debate portray it, Stop-Loss just doesn’t look like a good film in general. It appears to be corny, emo, and overall a downer that plays up to stereotypes.
The idea of two friends being on opposite sides of the debate arguing for two hours made me chuckle at first, but not want to go reserve a ticket to watch it.
If I want to be enlightened, I’ll talk to real people and read books. I go to the movies to be entertained. I want heroes, larger than life situations, and laughs.
Entertain me Hollywood!
On a last note, I find it sad that a major studio predicted its own movie would do badly in the box office. What kind of business goes through with a job if they know it’s going to fail? What a joke.
I recently watched “Michael Clayton” another in a long list of so called “intelligent” hollywood films. It was entertaining and suspensefull but the climax of the film involves a corporate lawyer failing to have George Clooney car bombed in Weschester county, New York. Not very realistic. Now why would anybody pro war or not, want to see Hollywood’s take on Iraq? Hollywood takes itself too seriously.
eric said:
What do you people mean by such statements? If the movie weren’t factual it would do well?
If you think stop-loss is in anyway factual than you don’t know anything about the military or Texas. Nothing in that movie, from life in Texas to life in the Armed Forces was accurate. Every soldier knows he can be called back during a time of war. Your obligation is not over because you are sent home from the war zone. When you raise your hand and swear to serve you promise to serve, you don’t promise to serve only during wars you choose. As my drill Sgts made it clear to me on day one, “Uncle Sam owns you now.”
And Canada? Any soldier with a shred of decency would have trouble looking at himself in the mirror if he seriously considered deserting. Its a selfish act because if you dont go someone else will have to take your place.
Non-military types do not know that if you serve 4 – 6 years in the military, you are placed on inactive reserve once you separate. There is an 8 year commitment total. They can call you back at any time during that timeframe.
A little fact Hollywood probably knows but it doesnt help their cause of distorting the truth. I served 4 yrs but didn’t get my official release papers until 4 years after I left. For the four years I was in civi life after I left I could’ve been called back, and I wouldn’t have bitched if I was called up.
Response to:
“The one thing liberals enjoy doing more than hating America is fawning over evil murderous dictators. (i.e. Chavez, Castro, Stalin, etc)”
Uhhh… We ignore history. Famous picture of Rumsie and Saddam ring a bell? The US supporting famous South American dictators just because they where anti-communist?
People don’t learn from history, they pick and choose what they want.
I don’t think I have ever seen anyone, and I mean anyone love Stalin.
Maybe the reason that this movie is not doing well is that ordinary moviegoers are so smart that they recognize boilerplate anti-American, anti-freedom bilge for what it really is.
If these people in Hollywood want to spend a ton of money to buy the pulpit to preach to an empty church I guess that’s their business. It’s stupid, but so is their sermon.
No one wants to see Iraq war movies. No matter what we put out there in terms of great cast or trailers, people were completely turned off. It’s a function of the marketplace not being ready to address this conflict in a dramatic way because the war itself is something that’s unresolved yet. It’s a shame because it’s a good movie that’s just ahead of its time.”
This is the most impressively stupid take on this whole Iraq War/Hollywood stance. Why don’t you morons make a film that doesn’t trash your own country. Don’t you fools realize that in an Islamic society, Hollywood/socially liberal types would be the first ones beheaded? Are you guys that dull?
I seem to remember a line in my contract with the Army saying that my ETS date (Estimated Time of Separation) was just that, Estimated; and contingent on the needs of the service…people need to know what they are agreed to before they start blaming other for it.
@Comment by Al — March 30, 2008 @ 5:05 am
so is your assertion that alliances never change? ‘Rumsie’ and ‘Saddam’ were at a time when we were on the brink of war with Iran and Iraq was in a war with them already. We allied ourselves with Iraq to take care of the ‘Iran problem’ for us. It’s called good politics, pal.
The examples of Hollywood lefties fawning over dictators on the other hand, happen to be all current leaders who are ‘blacklisted’ by the US government.
Oh and dude, speaking of selective history, Stalinism was HUGE with the left pre-1950 and was nearly a legit spinoff of the Democratic party before the end of WWII and the begining of the Korean war. So yeah, there were quite a few who loved the man and a little research will show you that admiration continues to this day.
Try Google sometime, chief.
RE:Comment by Pathetic — March 29, 2008 @ 7:22 pm
Dean, Pelosi, Reid, et al. privately laugh their asses off that there are enough mindless morons who’ve bought their anti-american, get-along-with-the terrorists bull sh*t who continue to defend the lying democrat party and who are so emotionally invested in it
They cannot believe their good fortune there are still 25% of the population who are such idiots
FYI, the foundation of this country is the 1st amendment which is the right to speak out. Those leftist liberals who are so hostile to and threatened by criticism of their indefensible positions are therefore UN-AMERICAN.
PS: Is your last name Loooooozer?
Movies like Stop Loss show Hollywood is willing to put an anti-American agenda ahead of both profit and country. Sad, but true. It also explains how the leftists can support racists like that creep Obama (pbuh).
Response to:
“Uhhh… We ignore history. Famous picture of Rumsie and Saddam ring a bell? The US supporting famous South American dictators just because they where anti-communist?
People don’t learn from history, they pick and choose what they want.
I don’t think I have ever seen anyone, and I mean anyone love Stalin.”
The lefty liberals are always anti-American and like to pretend they don’t know the difference between supporting anti-communist dictators and using anti-communist dictators as a means to arrive at what is America’s best interest. There is a difference. It takes a nuanced mind to understand the dynamics of such intricate international relationships.
The lefty liberals are forgiven for not understanding.
As for Stalin – maybe there is no love for the man himself, but the lefty liberals sure do admire his tactics.
THE IRAQ WAR IS A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE
“When will Hollywood reaslize that they are out-of-touch with the majority of America and making movies against a war most people support will flop.”
First off, soldier boy, go back to school and learn to spell.
Second, you idiot, the majority of America (more than %75) does NOT support this war.
Where do you get your facts, soldier boy? Rush limbaugh? bill oreally?
Bush is a criminal and this war is nothing but a money grab. This garbage movie is flopping because ryan what’s his name can’t act and because nobody wants to see an MTV movie about a b.s. war.
Here are the simple facts: when you sign up for a 4 year obligation you are actually signing up for 8 years. Most think that after their 4 years are over they are done. However you actually get placed in “inactive” reserves for another 4 years. For most this is transparent and not a concern, however the fact is you can be recalled at ANY time. It is very clear in the contract you sign, if you read it.
10 year Navy veteran
I have been boycotting all Theaters until Hollywood gets a clue. Anti Bush, anti American, bad guy American themes do not wash with the general public. I am a Democrat and while I do not support Bush generally, I do support our war on terror and our troops. There is a lot of sacrifice on the part of our troops and their families and these Iraq themed political statements coming out of Hollywood will never get my $support$.
P.S – I have saved lots of money by not going to the theater and my new 50″ LCD is very nice.
I bet would really enjoy an Iraq movie based on a mission to rebuild the schools or restore electricity in a small Iraqi town. Maybe show the American soldiers trying to communicate what freedom is to Iraqis who have lived under oppression their entire lives. Finish with the purple fingers, and go ahead and let the Iraqi people be the heroes in the end.
Just give me a positive message and I’ll spring $20 to go see it. The war is home to thousands of stories, tell one that everyone can enjoy and they will.
Two things:
First, I would go see “Superhero” movie (and I am a huge, huge comic book nerd) if it had been rated R and they pulled out all the stops on humor.
But they want a teen audience and that is why I will wait to see it on DVD.
As for “Stop/Loss” it is like everyone else has said, make a positive movie about the war in Iraq (not propaganda). Make a movie showing the good a soldier has done for a town in Iraq, or do a movie comparing Iraq before and after Saddam Hussein.
People will go see that.
I went to the movie theater to let some crickets loose in the seating area in front of a screen playing Stop-Loss, but I was too late.
The crickets were already there.
Also, I just heard that the Iraq Army crackdown of al Sadr and his merry militia have forced him to stand down.
Sorry libs, the failure you are now hoping for is not going to happen.
Please do not bet against the U.S. Military. You look foolish every time.
Also, I have an idea for a new movie about Iraq.
Title: “Balcony Shots”
It’s a story about how liberal reporters hide in their hotel rooms and bring you cutting edge insight from al qaeda press releases.
Vet of OIF here. Won’t see this piece of crap, along with the other rubbish Hollywood has produced recently presenting their “understanding” of the war. They’re clearly marketing to an overseas audience, since they *had* to know this would bomb domestically.
Less echo chamber, more honesty please.
Well, wow…the arguments don’t change at all do they? Are movies really this important to our lives? Really? It’s pretty amazing how much space we give them in our heads. Not that we don’t have a right to complain, or want different things, because we do. But at the end of the day, why not just plop into a chair and read a book, let our imaginations fill in the scenery and bring the characters to life?
I agree that Hollywood is out of touch, and as such, has rendered itself largely irrelevant. Fortunately, there are a host of other options out there that offer endless miles of mental escape. Buy a ticket on a different train, and enjoy the ride.
Liberals agree with terrorists that Iraq is a failure and Bush is a war criminal.
The mindless left thinks that 70% of America is currently against the war because they want us to leave as losers.
Reality bites. Fake polls do not translate into real voters. 30% of your 70% wants to fight harder in order to win. That makes 55% who support victory.
That gives you a bunch of liberals confused about how Congress (Democrat Controlled) has given us a Troop Surge. Even they understand REAL polls.
Finally, that 55% will give you President John McCain.
So, enjoy Stop-Loss, a movie where you can hate American and the troops for $10.
Every time I speak to a liberal about the Iraq war, I wait impatiently for the “Well why don’t you enlist” or “Let’s send your children over” argument.
I LOVE this argument because it is the WEAKEST of all their arguments.
My response?
Do you support law enforcement? Then you must be a police officer!
Do you support health care for everyone? Then you must be a doctor!
Do you support education? Then you must be a teacher!
Hollywood…I got no interest in your garbage. Keep making expensive movies that lose millions. Then once you’re broke and out of business, maybe someone more deserving can come in and make REAL movies people want to see.
The reason Iraq stories aren’t selling is the far left hollywood fools only want to show the futility of it. War is horrible but in fact great stories of heroic sacrifice, hope and love between soldiers and Iraqies occur daily. That would sell!
Wow, I believe this is one of the most arrogant phrases of the day; “It’s a function of the marketplace not being ready to address this conflict in a dramatic way because the war itself is something that’s unresolved yet. It’s a shame because it’s a good movie that’s just ahead of its time.”
This is the attitude and intellect that hastens Hollywood’s demise.
Hey Hollywood, if your so smart and everyone else is so dumb, then how come you guys are going bankrupt and can’t make a movie people want to see? What plays well over the dinner table at Dolce, the rest of America can’t stand.
Can we have one more parrot head in here regurgitating the whole “Leftist vs Right Wingers!” line or blaming Hollywood for the failures in Iraq? The hard truth is things are VERY messed up in Iraq right not, not all peachy keen as some would like to paint it in the least. Some folks want a movie like Rambo or something, only set in Iraq with the soldier wearing a superhero cape. Not gonna happen unless you’re looking for a comedy. Face the facts, the “war” is now an occupation of Iraq and it’s going miserably, just like just about everything else in America right now. If you want all of those that want better for America to get out, I suppose you can be alone in the States as everything gets flushed down the toilet that China owns. It’s not Anti-American to wish your country could do better, nor is it to speak against your elected officials. Quite opposite, you Neanderthals.
The Iraq invasion and occupation was a war crime ..
You shouldnt make movies about it other than films
showing bush and cheney hanging from ropes
The problems are bigger then just the Anti-War/Anti-Military themes of those movies (but hat is a problem). The problem is folks most of the movies Hollywood produces aren’t what audiences really want to watch. Most of them are like some kind of psychotic madlib. Thats why they scratch their heads at movies like “The 300″ doing well.
Some one else said it right.. it is about Escapism. The folks who go to the movies have to pay between 5 and 10 dollars for a ticket (depending on where in the country you are) another 5-10 dollars depending on your snacks. Your in a loud theater with obnoxious kids… You just because of where the movies are need to get outside of yourself.
Also Post-Modernistic nonsense is in to many movies which is why films like The 300 do better then films like Stop Loss. The 300 has protagonists and antagonists. They aren’t realistic characters but no one gives a damn. In stop loss the characters are real and nuanced and multifaceted and people are tired of it.
We’ve seen the Government as a villain in movies lots and lots of times. How about a film like National Treasure where the Government (such as it is in the plot) is trying to do the right thing.
Look at the movies that did well in the Box office that Hollywood didn’t get… a pattern does emerge. Look at the films that Hollywood and the critics love that massively and epically fail a pattern -ALSO- emerges
The entertainment industry in this country doesn’t get what the audience wants and hasn’t in some time
Support the war in two ways: join the military or lobby to end the war. – Bob Scofield
Bob, you’re not burdened with an excess of intelligence, are you? You know, I support education: should I be a teacher? Or, as a lib, I suppose collecting my taxes is enough to satisfy you. I support law enforcement: should I be a policeman? I support fire suppression: should I be a firefighter? I support health care: should I be a doctor? If I’m not a doctor, I suppose I have no opinion? How the heck can a Congressman vote on funding NASA, the NEA, or the CIA or he’s not an Astronaut, an artist, or a spy?
Support the war by lobbying to end the war? Are you an idiot?
The only think I hope the left is right about is global warming. That is our best chance that Hollywood will sink into the sea. It’s really hard to give money to people who hate every thing you love.
I am so please that so many people are as offended as I am by these movies and Hollywood. Wouldn’t it be nice to have a realistic movie about all the crap our soldiers are having to put up with over there trying to protect the innocent and carefully weeding out a hiding enemy to keep the world safe? Wouldn’t it be nice to see a movie about heroic acts of courage and bravery in the face of a cowardice enemy? Wouldn’t it be nice to see some love and appreciation for what they are doing for us? But of course movies like that wouldn’t help Hillary or Obama get elected.
Substitute the term “Right Wingers” in the majority of the lefty posts for “People who love their country” and you will get a better picture of what they mean.
Tom,
What’s the matter, you whiney loser? I paid my dues. What have you done for this country? Apparantly you don’t measure up either. You and Salcido can take your pathetic comments and go home. Apparently, I’m a better American than you, too.
“Uhhh… We ignore history. Famous picture of Rumsie and Saddam ring a bell?…
People don’t learn from history, they pick and choose what they want.
I don’t think I have ever seen anyone, and I mean anyone love Stalin.”
Ok, WWII ring a bell? Churchill and Roosevelt had to align with Stalin to win WWII.
Learn some history yourself. We worked with Stalin when we had a greater, common enemy: Hitler. We worked with Iraq when we had a greater, common enemy: Iran. Yes, we didn’t like working with Stalin, just as later we didn’t like working with Saddam, and eventually, we had to deal with their atrocities, too.
This does not make us the bad guys.
And another thing, Tom.
When it comes to you and your kind, I am arrogant, and damn proud of it.
After all, I’m a better American than you are.
Have a nice day, loser.
The thing Black Hawk Down had going for it was the fact that it did not forget to be an action packed, great looking, high concept Scott Free Production! If it was about people back in DC debating their actions and followed the story of the men when they got home it would have bombed!
Samuel Goldwyn once said, “If you want to send a message, use Western Union.” MAKE MOVIES HOLLYWOOD! Hollywood needs new blood like when Gulf Western hired Evans to run Paramount. Everyone in Hollywood has worked on the same desks, eat the same food, learn the same program…They wonder why there are no new ideas.
Any Status on Convoy??? That might be a good Iraq movie???
Let me try and answer the question that eplains why the left does not get it. All their friends and univserisity teachers and professional colleageus all think the same. A famous quoet from the film Green Card all those years ago – the hero says to the kooky left winger vegeterian “All your ideas come from the same place”.
And so it s wth these letists who never meet or deal with normal people. People who stand up for the country and take a prncipled stand on right and wrong. And who appreciate their country.
I used to see two to three movies in a weekend. I could afford it, and the movies were interesting enough that I didn’t want to wait until they came out on video. Now, with a family, the ticket prices doubling (even matinée), and a small drink costing three dollars or more, I simply can’t afford it. It’s either groceries for a week, or a movie. Guess whic wins?
The movies that have been presented in the last few years, including Stoploss, have been horrific for the most part. No, I’m not a fanatic who is going to scream about a movie I haven’t seen. I haven’t seen it because it looks horribly sad, tediously over emotional, and frankly not very entertaining. That’s the problem with most movies the past few years.
The public has been so deluged with anti-war movies that we are drowning in them. We’re sick of them. Yes, there should be a balance of pro and anti (as there should be a balance in all things). But the fact is, Hollywood is paying millions and millions of dollars to actors to say lines in movies that won’t gross the same amount as the stars’ paychecks. And they know it. It smacks of agenda. All most of us are saying is, put out something other than these types of films! Why do you think Enchanted did so well at the box office?
I would love to see movies that aren’t all violence or all idiotic humor. I can count on one hand the number of movies over the past year that have stimulated my mind, let me sink into escapism, put me on the edge of my seat, and make me smile at the outcome and be glad I spent half my paycheck to support the film. New Hollywood would do well to stop and learn from Old Hollywood. I would have gladly paid today’s prices to see Key Largo, Gone With The Wind, Now Voyager, Casablanca, Of Human Bondage…the list goes on. Would I pay to see Stoploss, a movie whose trailer (maybe they should rethink the trailer if I’m not correct) seems to spoon feed me the idea that America is bad, the soldiers are sad and neglected, and the movie is going to end worse than it started? No.
I do love the American right, still fighting the straw men of the Stalin loving, America hating, freedom hating, socialist/marxist Hollywood left while insisting that things are going great in Iraq. Keep it up guys!
Guys I know a lot of people are bringing politics into this. But this is much bigger then politics (and much bigger then the movies). The Music Industry hasn’t been producing what people want and thats been killing Radio and CD sales.
As for Stalin – maybe there is no love for the man himself, but the lefty liberals sure do admire his tactics.
Comment by Sandra Martin
Wow, are you kidding? Earlier in your post you scolded liberals for not understanding why the U.S. needs to coddle Hussein, Pinochet and others at times and then throw out onto the table that load of crap? Stalin was a mass executioner, you dolt, who forcefully and violently tried to curtail his country to incorporate his own ideals. Frankly, this sounds a lot like what the U.S. is doing in Iraq so perhaps you are the true Stalin admirer. Don’t try to be condescending about things you don’t understand, it makes you look silly.
I have 17 very close friends in the military. I have 1 cousin in boot camp right now. I am getting myself in shape to go to boot camp (Marines). Why? Hmmm….
This country was attacked. I love this country. When we were attacked, George W. Bush didn’t lay down, or decide to run the the oval office and get a quick b*job from some little hooker intern… He didn’t walk away and say “Oh, that’s ok”. No, he proclaimed war on terrorism. He made it perfectly clear that any state that harbored terrorism, is an enemy of the US. That included Iraq! That’s why we’re there idiots! Saddam was a terrorist, he terrorized his own people. This is the 20th century, you can’t behave like that any more. We are going to be in Iraq forever. Just like we have bases in Germany, Spain, etc. We’re going to stay in Iraq. We’re never going to leave. We have to have a presence in the Middle East. That’s what the President is doing, establishing that presence, so that we can protect ourselves, and any other nation that cannot protect itself from 3rd grade educated leaders like Saddam.
Stop Loss is ridiculous. At the beginning of this post, I mentioned my 17 friends that are in the military… they’ve all re-upped, while in Iraq. They’ve been there for 3 years! Why? Because they believe in our country, our goals, and our President. Please, democrats, left-wingers, whatever… don’t let Hollywood tell you how to think. Be an independent thinker, don’t let them into your head! Besides, it’s all just a ploy to try and get Hussein Osama (I mean Obama) or Billary elected….. hmmm…… does the movie industry actually think that we are that much like sheep…that we would just follow where they want us to go. THINK AMERICA! LOVE YOUR COUNTRY. PROTECT THE COUNTRY.
The issue I have with this and similar movies is the idea that every soldier comes back from battle is is traumaized severely and a mental basketcase for life. Sure there are some that come back and can’t adjust. But the vast majority do and lead normal lives.
My father fought in Vietnam. He came back, went to college, got married, went to medical school and spent 30 years as a surgeon.
My borther in law was (is I suppose since as he says you’re one for life) a Marine. He was in Iraq for 18 months. He is a senior in college and will be going to law school next year.
However you will never see a movie about either one of these men. Doesn’t fit into the Hollywood ‘every solider is a blood thirty psycopath killing machine’ storyline.
You will never get it. The war against Iraq ended in 2003. We totally annihilated the Iraqi forces, deposed a brutal dictator and his sons who were responsible for the slaughter of 2.5 million Iraqis. All three reasons given to go to war with Iraq are indisputable. Saddam DID support global terrorism. Saddam WAS responsible for the genocide of millions of Iraqis. Saddam DID refuse to give an accounting of his WMD program as per the 17 UN resolutions passed prior to the war. We only know what we know because Bush acted instead of letting the UN pass another 17 weak and unenforced resolutions.
We are today doing the same thing we did following WW2. We are supporting a country that is building a democracy, just like we did Germany and Japan. Because of our efforts following WW2 there wasnt yet a third WW with Germany. Hopefully…if we are willing to follow through and the Iraqi people are willing to claim the opportunities for freedom, there wont be a third Gulf War.
Today we support free people, a democratically elected government, we train with and fight beside their military. The ONLY war we are currently engaged in is a war on terror. You REALLY want to stop fighting that war?
People, the fastest way to let a commercial market know how thier customer feels is to STOP BUYING THIER PRODUCT! If you are unhappy with the movies being made, stop pulling $10 bucks out of your pocket every time a “LUMP” (Liberal Unpatriotic Movie Product) hits the street. I assure you, thier true allegiance is in thier pocketbooks. And for heaven’s sake, don’t give the Democrats the Whitehouse. Financially, the worst times in our lives have been under Dem. presidents.
I have been “over there” a couple of times (and yes, I was subject to stop-loss). I was excited about this movie until I found out that it was going to be another fictional anti-American propaganda piece. An updated “Ballad of Green Berets” would actually more realistically capture our spirit and successes in Iraq and Afghanistan today than it attempted to do for Vietnam. Unlike Vietnam, we really are kicking butt and taking names. Freed two nations and no, we did not take one drop of oil!!! (Indeed, we are the ones who took drove the stake through the heart of the blood-oil vampires and returned it to the public and public-owned companies!! )
Glad to see it bombing and no one wants to see it..
I was really happy when the Robert Redford, Tom Cruise warmovie bombed………
Left wing liberals should be ashamed but they have none. AND they can let 95% of the media put out their wacked out viewpoints
Hollywood hates America. Hates genuine heroes. Hates real dedication to something other than dollars and drama. I love that people stay away from this trash. It sends the message that the public has deeper beliefs, and is sick of anti-Americanism packaged as entertainment.
Ironic that Hollywood sees us as the oppressors…yet ’stars’ like Sean Penn and Danny Glover and the rest of the leftist scumbags praise people like Castro, Noriega, and Chavez.
Of course…this REALLY is simply about politics, isnt it? The left wasnt up in arms when Clinton launched his attacks against Iraq citing the EXACT SAME REASONS Bush did. The left wasnt anti-war when Clinton took us to war against Serbia (and what was the reason again?).
Fact…if Bush was a democrat the left would trumpet the military successes in Iraq…the incredible stories of bravery and heroism that occur there every day.
When I read all these comments about that America had had enough of these anti war/ Dumbing down Amwrican themes, I feel Proud becuase it seems like there are really more of us out there then the media makes it out to be. Since when is it polically incorrect to stand up for our counrty and our freedoms? Since when is it not a money maker to defend our familes and children? I am sick of this Hollywood notion that the MTV generation is radically liberal, and they want to make money off of it. War is horrible for everyone, and peace is the goal. But I personally dont feel like living in fear of another terrorist attack on our soil by psychopaths that think they will be going to heaven for killing innocent Americans. I’d like to see a movie about a hero that dedicates his life to saving us from this reality, or a movie about life without worry about homeland security in the future, and people’s stories about how that came to be. That would be escapism at the movies.
debra- stupid liberals should be ashamed of themselves, for being stupid and for being liberal, you stupid liberal.
Comment by barry goldwater —
Thank you Mr. Goldwater. Debra’s stupidity is rampant. I love her comment though , “just watched a MOVIE ! The pres should be ashamed….. hahaha what a dolt. Debra, i pity you, FOOL !
Anit-war movies are not the issue. Some of them have been the best. “The Paths of Glory” by Stanley Kubrick comes from a book based on an actual event in World War I. “The Dearhunter” and “Apocolypse Now” were difinite war movies that did not involve actual events, but they explored themes and concepts beyond the genre of war.
The issue with these anti-war movies in particular is instead of exploring the human condition or tell a story in a historical context they take the lives of real people and subvert them to the directors stunted vision. Far from using their movies to understand humanity, vision, love, hate, loyalty, and all the discriptors that moved Shakespere they narrow the focus on one thing; anger at the President. There are real people out there in Iraq, in Europe, in Korea, all serving our country, exercising their franchise as Americans. They are all volunteers, adults who understand the issues and accept their responsibilites. For this noble sacrifice they are used as pawns by people and organizations who can’t match the courage of these special men and women.
This is why these movies bomb. Not because they are anti-war. It’s because they are disrespectful to America’s quiet heros who light the flame of Lady Liberty’s torch.
The writers of these movies aren’t fooling anyone. Regular America is disgusted by their treatment of our soldiers. So long as they lack the understanding of the men and women who protect us they will fail miserably. Let them write their movies. We will pass judgement on their work.
Republican vs Democrat….It’s all in the same name this day and age. Look at the lack of progress over the last several years. Some of them said the troops would be home by November 2008. Well, I guess that won’t be happening now will it? People go out and vote hoping that empty promises get actually get done. Whoever gets elelcted…it won’t matter too much because it’s going to be the same as before.
Stop-Loss actually shows both sides of this war. A lot of people are saying it’s partisan because they are judging it either because of a 30 second ad or a 2 minute trailer. If people would actually read the reviews, they would find out that it’s actually not a anti-war statement. I think that what the pro war people are looking for is a movie that is pro war right down the line….no ifs ands or buts. If you are expecting that….you won’t get it from Hollywood. If you are looking for a sense of reality showing both sides though….GO SEE THIS MOVIE.
Stupid is as stupid does. Bush’s approval ratings are lower than they were but they are still much higher than the Democrat controlled congress. HA HA HA!
The problem with liberals is they can’t operate outside of the sphere of bobblehead friends. If they could they would see why they are outnumbered 5 to 1 on this board and every other place that doesn’t restrict free speech. You know them. Government controlled schools and wacko environmenatlist Universities.
And by the way, hate to be the one to tell you but Global Warming is a effing hoax. Unless you are talking about what is caused by the Sun. But you can’t quantify that in your pea brains either. Trust me. You are much better off going back to clean air and clean water. That’s where you will get intelligent folks to listen to you because the human population actually has an impact on those issues.
Oh how I hate Hollywood fat cat leftist who keep making anti-American, anti-military films. The Michael More mindset is almost complete in these socialist.
It’s funny reading all these anti-Hollywood folks railing about how bad the films are these days — if you don’t care about the films why are you paying attention to lists of the top 10 films?
Seems kind of ironic that so many people who seemingly would NEVER go to a movie theater pay such close attention.
And not walking step in step alongside our government does not make you patriotic. In fact, if you read your history books, America was founded on such PATRIOTISM. Meaning, if the country’s leaders are steering us down the wrong path it is our DUTY as Americans to rise up against such leadership – not to follow fake patriotism that believes our country is always right under every circumstance. Sorry folks, but America does make mistakes (for example, we don’t want our soldiers tortured but Bush has brought America into the torture business… that’s just sick) and when we do people should know about it.
Soldiers doing their time and being forced to keep fighting time after time is wrong. Telling that story is patriotic because maybe it’ll show some of you that the war isn’t selling so well after all. All of you that talk about friends wanting to reenlist… would they have been so anxious if the Army hadn’t kept raising the reenlistment money so much? Because somehow I get the feeling we wouldn’t be raising incentives like that if we didn’t need to.
If you want to see a RELEVANT, FACTUAL movie, watch FITNA. Nose around on the net and you will find it…all Hollywood needs to watch it and learn something. Shows what we’re actually fighting in the middle east and why it’s necessary.
If the chuckleheads in Hollywood would produce a fair portayal of the brave Americans and allies in the war, the movie would sell. They are just too stupid and/or arrogant to understand that the vast majority of Americans do not agree with their anti-soldier rants.
I’d like to thank the Anti-American lefties in advance for handing the next election to the rest of us who love America by spewing their hate publicly and making crappy movies no one will watch. Carry on.
The main issue I have with the premise of Stop-Loss, is that they tell you that they can do that from the very beginning. It’s all in the fine print when you sign up. Anyone who is actually surprised about this sort of thing as the character is in the movie, must have his head shoved somewhere. That, and it sure does send us the great message that when you don’t like things, the best thing to do is desert. Great job guys.
The reason that “Stop Loss” is doing so crappy, isn’t because it’s an Iraq war movie, but rather and indictment on our armed forces and an over all Anti-American sentiment.
Bottom line, period, end of story…
I agree with the HUNDREDS of comments below. How stupid are the Producers in Hollywood? Build movies that PEOPLE want to see. There is so much good that has gone on in Iraq and yet Hollywood can’t seem to find one good and positive story to publish. Perhaps the book “Lone Survivor” will get made into movie.
I’m a parent, whenever a kid movie comes out, even a dumb one like Alvin and the Chipmunks, it makes a killing for the industry. When will they learn to make movies people want to see. Uplifting, PRO-America, Pro-Family movies.
The main issue I have with the premise of Stop-Loss, is that they tell you that they can do that from the very beginning. It’s all in the fine print when you sign up. Anyone who is actually surprised about this sort of thing as the character is in the movie, must have his head shoved somewhere. That, and it sure does send us the great message that when you don’t like things, the best thing to do is desert. Great job guys.
Ah, the things you know that just ain’t so!
> Remember when Nixon let Vietnam fall to the communists?
No, but I remember when the Democratic Congress violated our promise to Vietnam and cut off all military, logistical, and financial support to Vietnam, allowing it to fall to the North Vietnamese communists. This was one of the most shameful acts of American foreign policy ever, and it was brought to you by a Democratic Congress specifically against the wishes of the Republican president.
> Remember when the Republican’s oppossed the US entry into WWII?
Some did. Most didn’t. Clear majorities voted for it. The Republican nominee in 1944, Wendell Wilkie, was very careful to support the war even while running against Roosevelt.
I don’t recall any attempts by Republicans to pull out of the war once it started, though. Maybe this was not the best example for you.
> Remember when a republican voted against war with Japan?
What, one?
> Remember when Regan sold weapons to the Iranians?
Considering the deal was an attempt to get the Iranians to release hostages, it’s not quite the disgrace you want it to sound like.
> Remember when Rumsfeld (R) shook hands with Saddam?
You mean when we were not actually hostile to Saddam, years before he invaded Kuwait and we actually became hostile to Saddam? What a ridiculous argument!
> Remember when the Republicans opposed the US intervening in the Balkans (A gratefull Kosovo!)
Hardly a disgrace. As I recall, after some initial reluctance, the mission proceeded. But I don’t recall any promises by Republicans to get our troops out of Kosovo. Again, maybe this was not the best example for you.
The main issue I have with the premise of Stop-Loss, is that they tell you that they can do that from the very beginning. It’s all in the fine print when you sign up. Anyone who is actually surprised about this sort of thing as the character is in the movie, must have his head shoved somewhere. That, and it sure does send us the great message that when you don’t like things, the best thing to do is desert, and commit a crime. Great job guys, way to go.
Wow! It’s alive and kicking @ Nikki’s Crib this morning.
The funniest part is the 20-30 commenters in a row spouting THE EXACT SAME WHITE HOUSE TALKING POINTS.
The blind ignorance of the right is astonishing.
By the way, you loud-mouthed John Wayne wannabes:
1-800-GO-ARMY. Get over there and defend freedom while Bush and Cheney get even richer.
Or you can go see Peirce’s incredible film and actually LEARN SOMETHING. I know it’s seemingly impossible when you get all your culture, ideas, and “ideals” from Fox News and Matt Drudge, but maybe you could give it a shot?
Sure beats filling up Nikki’s blog with worthless, chest-beating rants.
Here is the problem with Iraq war movies in general. The war is still going on! People don’t want to go to a movie to see what they see on the news most nights. The alleged anti-American themes have nothing to do with it. Was “Platoon” pro-American? Or “Full Metal Jacket”? Or “Casualties of War”? No. But they all performed well at the box office. Of course, Hollywood can’t wait 20 years to make an Iraq war movie because they have run out of ideas for movies.
This movie is obviously anti-recruitment propaganda by the Hollywood Left, working hard as usual to preach the liberal gospel that all American military efforts are evil, imperialistic and immoral (except Bosnia, of course)and all soldiers are poor, uneducated, borderline-demented saps. Why else was it so heavily promoted on MTV? Hollywood forgot that MTV-age folks don’t like to be preached to about any religion, including the Holy Hollywood Gospel of Correct Social Indoctrination.
I want to see Mel Gibson make “Lone Survivor”. That would be a blockbuster. It was a great book about a true story that actually addresses both the good and the bad in Afganistan. Its author Marcus Luttrell is a true American hero.
Uh, the problem with “Stop Loss” not making any money is very simple. Ryan Phillippe is not a star. He has never been in a movie that has made money. Period. He’s a sorta interesting actor, probably best used on TV somewhere.
Oh and To all you visitors from Drudge who think Hollywood is anti-american. When did YOU get back from the War? Oh, you never went? Then SHUT THE F*CK UP!
Have a nice day.
I hate America and I hate you stupid southern bastards even more.
I find it funny that Hollywood executives claim that ANY movie based on the Iraq war will do poorly. They refuse to admit that the REAL reason those Iraq war movies have done poorly is that they were anti-American. This is how Hollywood sees America and the military. This is nothing new though. Just look at movies such as Platoon and full metal jacket. Look how well Saving Private Ryan did at the box office. Look at how well Band of Brothers has done in dvd sales. Most Americans don’t like viewing leftwing anti-American propaganda films much less pay for the privilege..
“The Iraq invasion and occupation was a war crime ..
You shouldnt make movies about it other than films
showing bush and cheney hanging from ropes
Comment by John Disney — March 30, 2008 @ 7:02 am”
You know, John, no matter how many times you anti-American lefty liberals say it, it won’t make it true.
There is no “war crimes” (see “resolution”, “act of congress” and “Bill Clinton”)
President Bush and Vice President Cheney are great Americans who the lefty liberals despise more than capitalism. That alone should tell you how effective and great they are.
What’s good for the USA is poison to lefty liberals.
I HAVE NOT BEEN THIS PROUD OF MY FELLOW AMERICANS IN YEARS! IT IS FANTASTIC TO HEAR THE MAJORITY OF THESE RESPONSES, AND TO FINALLY HEAR THE PEOPLE VOICING THEIR OPINIONS AND STANDING AGAINST LIBERALSIM, LIES AND MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD BIAS! THIS MOVIE, AS WELL AS THE OTHER NEGATIVE PROPAGANDA- ANTI-AMERICA GARBAGE THAT HAS BEEN RELEASED LATELY IS PURE NONSENSE. THE MAKERS OF THESE MOVIES, AS WELL AS THE MAJORITY OF THE MEDIA, HOLLYWOOD AND THE UNDER-INFORMED SHEEP THAT FOLLOW THEM AND OPRAH (ETC) SHOULD JUST PACK THEIR THINGS AND LEAVE THIS GREAT NATION. SEE IF THEY HAVE THE SAME FREEDOMS ANYWHERE ELSE, OR ARE PROTECTED BY A VOLUNTEER FORCE OF COURAGEOUS HEROS THAT ARE WILLING TO DIE FOR THEM. GOD BLESS AMERICA, AND THE TROOPS.
Eric – you’re right, there is a difference between anti-American and being honest, this movie being anti-American. You seem to think that because hollweird puts something out it must be factual (apparently you aren’t familiar with Michael Moore), but EVERY SERVICE MEMBER KNOWS ABOUT STOP LOSS, so the entire premise of the movie is based on a LIE. But, let’s not let a little thing like facts get in the way of yet another silly liberal who gets his news from daily kos making a fool of himself.
Have you ever seen the home movie taken by a soldier of his squad guarding what seems to be a brick wall, one of them in the background saying ‘this is why we’re here’ and he raises the camera up over the wall to reveal Iraqi children playing, IN SAFETY? No of course not because you, hollywood and the media refuse to show the truth about what is going on over there.
Hollywood, the media, et al have taken great pains to make the US military look bad, they have gone out of their way to make it look like the isolated incidents where US troops have commited crimes as the rule as opposed to the exceptions! Their ridiculolusly childish hatred of Bush and the military as a whole makes their credibility, much like yours, suspect.
It’s a fact and just because you choose not to believe it doesn’t mean everyone else is blind, IT MEANS YOU ARE!
Bob Scofield – You’re post was mind numblingly obtuse. The lack of depth of your thinking is amazing and sad.
Yet another ignorant claim that ‘only the poor fight’. I guess you didn’t learn the same lessons Rangel learned when he claimed that all the front line troops were poor blacks. The fact is our military is extremely diverse and most certainly not made up of the poor who had no other choice. The factual in-accuracies coupled with your pathetic call to elect a democrat president – despite the fact that the two dems in the running are quite possibly the 2 worst candidates since Jimmy Carter – shows your opinion to be much the same as hollywoods; based in lies, mis-information and an abounding ignorance built upon self loathing. Just because you and your selfish liberal buddies are apathetic and selfish doesn’t mean the majority of the population is.
My time in the military showed me something that people like you and Eric don’t seem to get… YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT!
Someone is going to make a zillion
dollars if they ever make a movie
that shows even on of the thousands
of incredible stories of courage
and bravery against the unspeakable
cruelty of of Al-Quiada.
“It’s not Anti-American to wish your country could do better, nor is it to speak against your elected officials. Quite opposite, you Neanderthals.”
But that’s not really the case, now is it? That is not what is happening, now is it?
Attn Hollywood:
Make a movie from the book “Lone Survivor” and millions of people will shell out to see it. We want to be inspired by our heroes, not see them spit on.
Hollywood is stuck by its ideology of left-liberal anti-US beliefs. Stop Loss was a political movie on the wrong side of politics so it is a dismal failure.
Well, this is one American who will not be going to see “Stop-Loss,” or any film like it. This is Hollywood’s version of the truth, that’s all. To the person who said, “Shame on Bush” after watching “Stop-Loss,” you are the exact mind-numbed person Hollywood caters to with this stuff. Just some advice: Don’t get your information from a Hollywood film; I can assure you it is very tainted. You should be ashamed of yourself for taking a movie so seriously. To all the brave men and women who have sacrificed so much to defent freedom in Iraq and elsewhere, I salute you. I wish I possessed half the bravery that you do. God bless you.
Glen hit the nail on the head.
wary of yet another Iraq War movie, particularly one with narrow, pejorative title as “Stop Loss”.
I wish I could stoploss you! Think of a Casablanca type movie set in Iraq, with an interesting rapid story, people in danger, with the Americans being the heroes. That would sell.
I am relieved so many people know the truth of what is going on in the Middle East as opposed to the lies the Hollywood liberal elite are trying to portray. And no matter what Hillary or Barack say, the sad fact is there is no way either of them can pull us out of Iraq in a few months as they promise. This country runs on oil and us pulling out of Iraq would create so much chaos and instability as every tin horn dictator in the Middle east fights over Iraqi territory that $110/barrel oil would seem like a wet dream. $110 oil has resulted in $3.50/gallon gas. What do you think $200/barrel oil would do? How long before the US economy would grind to a halt? And we have no oil of our own ready to bring online since liberal douche bags have seen to it that we can’t drill our own oil (long live the snail darter ! Animals before people !). We’d be screwed.
Why do idiots in Hollywood have NO clue? The reason American s don’t go see these movies is not because we don’t want to DEAL with them. It’s because we are sick of seeing Americans bashed by Hollywood. And yah, they think everybody who doesn’t agree with their liberal policies are just backwoods hicks, they can’t imagine that we are just too smart to fall for their propaganda (unlike the dumb actors out there who tell us to turn off the lights for global warming but have mansions all over the world burning up 10 times the amount of energy you or I would in a lifetime). I won’t go see any movies at all for awhile. Why put money into the hands of these anti-American traitors?
Perhaps they could do a future science fiction film where “Red” America gets fed up with the pee-in-their pants “Blue” America, we have a civil war, and we divorce. Blue America’s capital could be Detroit and they would all bow down to President Obama. Red America would actually have good leaders because we would not have to put up with leftists.
Dear “Not” Pathetic:
We were waiting in gleeful anticipation for some moron like you to retort with some nonsensical, garbling schoolyard taunt. You delivered more gibberish than we expected, thank you!!!
So easy to bait you psychos, it’s almost fun.
This country was in the best shape historically it’s ever been in until Bush and the loonies stole the White House, and the mental patients temporarily took control.
Right wing morons – go read a book, get an education, develop your mind.
As a disabled vet, I can only shake my head in shame when those on the right who claim to support the military and veterans, continually attempt to cut the budget of the VA.
These are the same people who in an act of cowardice refuse to serve in a time of war. No wonder they are more concerned about military contractors than the military. Many jobs that were once done internally by the military are now done by military contractors at 5 times the cost.
They use excuses like “I’m fighting the culture war at home.” There is no culture war here. If you are fighting anyone, it’s in your own mind. You are trying to battle with American citizens who have, in the majority, figured out that when they learned that the war in Iraq was based on lies and deception, they were smart enough to stop supporting it. Ask them about Afghanistan, and the support is still there.
They blame hollywood for their shortcomings when the real fingers should be pointed at themselves. In reading these posts, they seem to think that if a film tanks it actually means something. Then, I guess we can interpret 21 success as Americans being for fornication, gambling, drinking, strip clubs and other vices.
If you are a healthy heterosexual male or female under the age of 42, you have no excuse. It’s cowardice. It’s you believing that somehow you are more important than other Americans. It’s believing that your life has more value than those in our military. During World War II, you would have been treated as outcasts. You all should be ashamed of yourselves.
Christopher
US Navy Veteran (83 – 89)
Hollywood used to be about entertainment and its time to go back there if it is profit they are after.
Boy..the screaming from both sides of the political war are at full throttle on this forum. Listen up folks, cuz here’s why this movie didn’t do well (notwithstanding all your deep thoughts on how it potentially could be successful). Rah-rah, pro-American won’t work because that’s not the reality right now and that’s left to the evenings WWE shows. Bash America doesn’t work either because nobody wants to be told how poor a decision-maker our President became, sacrificing unnecessary lives with a directionless idealogy; as one person astutely said, all you need to do is watch the news for that.
The movies that eventually be successful will follow the same thread as they did for the Vietnam War; a very personal journey shown on a broad map of the conflict (Martin Sheen in Apocalype Now and Charlie in Platoon). Until you get big name AAA actors (Hanks, Denzel) doing a bio pic, nobody is going to be interested.
Did anyone ever notice how liberals come on these message boards and accuse all right-wingers of being angry white males, then they themselves start slinging the F-bomb and go off into furious hand-wringing tirades where they basically lay out their arguments with enraged strings of cussing and superficial insults?
Did anyone ever notice how liberals come on these message boards and point out typos as evidence of stupidity and lack of education, and then they themselves post with grammatical, typographical, and punctuational errors (see comments of rubbernecker et al)?
Doesn’t the hypocrisy, simplicity, and spoiled-child wrath of yon liberals almost make you want to snicker?
The economic damage that the Hollywood types visit upon themselves goes somewhat deeper than a simple box office comparison of revenue vs production / marketing cost per film. The wife and I used to attend about ten to twelve movies per year, now it’s generally somewhere between none and one regardless of theme, script, or actors. We don’t watch the Oscars or other hedonistic Hollywood self love fests and place zero credibility on actors who choose to share their vast wisdom with the ignorant hard handed clods that comprise the general populace (and pay their wages).
In short the pompous jerks in Hollywood have very successfully manufactured their most prominent special effect to date, a radicalized anti-movie anti-Hollywood bloc of the populace who were formerly customers in good standing. I’ll bet their shareholders are a proud and happy bunch.
Hey, Drudge losers:
You all need mental help. Your persecution complex is raging.
Everything for you is a bizarre cartoon, an apocalyptic showdown: us versus them, right wingers versus liberals, Hollywood vs. ??? hicks?
If you don’t care for “Hollywood” as you cartoonishly label it, don’t see movies. No one is forcing you to see movies.
Why are you even on an industry site? If you loathe “Hollywood” no one forced you here, or invited you here for that matter.
Go spread your evil lunacy elsewhere. This site is a respectful place where contrary discourse takes place with level heads and intelligence.
Every time you Drudge freaks link over, you infect this site with your usual brand of crazed hate.
GO AWAY. There are plenty of sites where you can vent your psychosis and paranoid delusions.
Meanwhile, why don’t you write a letter to Rupert Murdoch, your right wing hero and media magnate?
Why don’t you demand Murdoch make your cartoonish movies that suit your retarded development?
He has more power than anyone in the industry yet he’s not making the drivel you demand. He’s not making it because there’s no market for stupidity. 25% of the population is not a solid demographic.
Go call Murdoch and get off this site. You are not welcome here.
Cash the reality check, Hollywood.
Doesn’t matter what the ‘truth’ is war-wise. The truth that matters is that your Iraq films are *tanking*.
So you can either:
1) Keep pissing money down a hole.
2) Make the sort of war themed films people WILL pay for.
3) Go make films about something else somewhere else ( it’s a big planet.)
Options 2 and 3 are the rational ones, so I can assume Hollywood will be picking option #1.
mistercalm:
Enlist or shut up.
Another Drudge link through:
THERE GOES THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
read proverbs chapter 29 1 – 9 and see if we as a country aren’t being run by those the bible talk of. and before you people go run off with harsh critism read the verses first before you respond or react.
I am waiting for the Hollywood treatment of “Lone Survivor” the story of a Navy Seal team in Afghanistan based on the book by the same title by Marcus Luttrell, the lone survivor of that engagement. I understand that talks are underway and if they somehow avoid trying to put some sort of political undertones, and instead just tell the story it will be a huge hit. Other guys from that SEAL team include Michael Murphy, awarded the Medal of Honor and Danny Dietz awarded the Navy Cross. There is a statue to Danny in his hometown, even though they had to fight the anti-war crowd to get it done.
Do a “Lone Survivor” or one about the fighting in Fallujah based on David Bellavia’s book “House to House” and the story will be much different. David is also nominated for the MOH. The only living person from this global war to be nominated.
I had to comment given all of the right wing insanity decrying hollywood. The Iraq War movies are failing at the box office not because of any perceived anti American message in the movies, but simply because nobody despite their political beliefs wants to see a movie about something they can see on CNN. We don’t have enough distance from the war to gain perspective on the war yet. All of the great Vietnam War movies, Apocalypse Now, Platoon came out several years after the war ended. There will be movies made about Iraq, novels written but they are years down the line after our involvement in Iraq has ended(but none of us will be around into the next century so we won’t see them).
Personally, I’m against the war in Iraq and regard it as one of the biggest foreign policy blunders and most foolish squandering of resources in US history.
But the moment I saw the previews of “Stop Loss” I was repulsed. Just the idea of MTV Films, of all people, trying to get into the lives and hearts of rural, patriotic whites seemed extremely condescending somehow. From the previews alone it just seemed like a horrible caricature of a demographic MTV doesn’t have much reach into, but would like to.
Maybe the film isn’t as bad as the previews indicate. I wouldn’t know, I’ve not seen it. But that’s probably the point: apparently a bunch of people who’ve seen the previews didn’t bother seeing it either.
From the number of responses about this review/artical, it should be clear to the movie folks that interest of an Iraq war movie is there. There is a market for a “factually accurate” story that doesn’t paint their relatives, friends, coworkers and fellow Americans out to be the bad guy. The problem is, as one pointed out earlier, a movie executive stated that they knew the movie would not do well. So, instead of making money, they would rather waste it for self-indulgent purposes. But then again, MTV used to be about playing music videos until they got into the brainwashing business and started losing viewers, revenue, etc. See a pattern here??? Who is surprised by this logic?
What stockholder/investor would want to be told by someone he/she invested money in that they knew they were throwing his/her money away to make a point instead of a profit? Not only are these execs abusing the trust of making money for their stock holders but they have abandoned them for soap boxing and self-serving interest. Herd their board of directors away from the Lenin’s Tomb and back to the boardroom. If I was a stock holder of any of these idiot companies, I would SELL, SELL, SELL!
This is a perfect example of liberalism/communism…we don’t care what the people want or know to be true, spin it, distort it, lie about it to prove our point! These liberal execs are: anti capitalist, money wasting, ineffective losers. Get Algore back, wait…he is losing the wind from his sails, too. Damn informed American people…if only they were as dumb as we want them to be. Keep pouring money into the teacher’s unions…we will eventually get there!
I believe the cost for a print to show in a theater is about $3000.
Add that cost into the cost of the film. Add in the cost of advertising, shipping prints, junkets.
Then take the box office and remember that the theater doesn’t get all the box office.
Now take into account the dwindling number of people going to movies.
It is amazing that films get made, but going back to the liberal theme, it is other people’s money so the why should the highly paid actors/producers/directors get really concerned.
Now take Mel Gibson. He put his own money into his own project and it reasonated with the public.
A decreasing number of Americans are looking to Hollywood for entertainment. It is because they are pretty much fed up with “Hate-America” and “Change-America” themed entities altogether.
I fell out of my chair laughing when I read the Paramount employee quote:
“No one wants to see Iraq war movies. No matter what we put out there in terms of great cast or trailers, people were completely turned off. It’s a function of the marketplace not being ready to address this conflict in a dramatic way because the war itself is something that’s unresolved yet. It’s a shame because it’s a good movie that’s just ahead of its time.”
Ahead of its time? No.
Rather, this piece is far, FAR behind.
Similar industry comments regarding Christianity-based films were made just prior to “Passion of the Christ” being released. Shortly thereafter, The Passion broke box office records galore.
America-lovers will chuckle once again when the book “Lone Survivor” appears on the silver screen because it will be an instant hit. If the America-haters in Hollywood can be kept off of the “Lone Survivor” movie set, it will, like The Passion, prove again that Americans are perfectly willing and able to discuss the war and any other important topic of today. What’s more, it will again demonstrate that Americans like good quality movies that showcase the true greatness of America, Land of the Free and Home of the Brave.
The only shame here is that Hollywood repeatedly fails to grasp such simple, basic truths.
i wonder how many people would go see a movie about the mission that captured saddam hussein.
Ted at 9:21 am: “Here’s a movie idea: Islamic Fundies coach a kid with Down Syndrome to blow herself up in a coffee shop full of kids and GI Joe breaks up the scheme!
To satisfy Hollywood’s lust for sex, they can even make the protagonist gay.”
I think this would actually work really well. Make him a gay Marine hero who saves a bunch of people. Work it right and it could even be a political statement about gays in the military. The important part is the *hero* part. And the gay Marine has to love the Marine Corp and display warrior attributes and loyalty to his fellow Marines. And the kid or young lady with Downs who gets strapped to a bomb… that really happened, and more than once, too. That’s facts. And the Marine working with the locals and stopping the bombing and, oh, his lover could die… that would be fabulous angst Hollywood style… or his lover could say “screw it” and get out… but what the hero wants is to be a Marine and the Marines could be all he’s got left and that could be put in jeopardy but it all works out well in the end.
And it would never have to be about The War… it could be about The Warrior.
The “Drudge stooges” really aren’t looking for something more than that. Please can we have a movie that’s pro-Warrior?
Our warriors are incredible people, fathers and husbands and sons, mothers and daughters, and it takes enormous bravery and fortitude to leave their families and do what they do. And yes, many of them *love* the fight, love the life, and many of them take the affection they have for their families and loved ones and direct it towards those real-people they know in Iraq and Afghanistan.
There’s an untold story of the professional warrior and what that really means. Some few of those who’ve commented obviously view all soldiers and sad and broken creatures.
If being skeptical and having a different point of view is so American… why can’t we be skeptical and critical of the idea that soldiers are sad and broken? Why do we all *have* to be anti-warrior and anti-Iraq War? Or else, what? We’re not *thinking?* Because we don’t all agree that a “pro-troop” movie is any movie that shows just how victimized, stupid, and broken the troops are?
It wasn’t until the 80’s that we got Platoon and Hamburger Hill. Wait another 20 years and then make the movies on Iraq.
History has a way of changing perception.
I watched The Last Starfighter the other night with my kids. Alex, the only Starfighter left after all the others were killed by an enemy attack, decided to desert and go home. Beta, who was going to be killed by an enemy assassin so that the enemy believed Alex dead, sees Alex back from the war.
Beta: Wait a minute, what are you doing back?
Alex Rogan: Are you kidding? It’s war up there!
Beta: Oh, save the whales, but not the universe, huh?
And that’s what’s wrong with Hollywood and with the oh-so-fashionable US Democratic Party. Save the whales but not save the universe. Save minks from being used for fur while preventing American soldiers from hurting the feelings of terrorists.
Mike said “2) “Mission Not-Accomplished”
A movie about how soldiers where given a mission in Iraq and succeeded with less casualties than any other war ever, but people who pretend to care about them call their mission a failure because they hate President Bush.”
What is the mission they were given that was successful?
I’m not saying there wasn’t I’m just curious what you think it was. Everyone seems to have a different opinion but there are only one set of facts so I am just curious what you interpret the mission and success was.
We went to war, not to fight terrorism, but to enforce a UN resolution that Saddam wasn’t complying with. He wasn’t allowing UN weapon inspectors in consistently, saying he didn’t have any WMD’s. Turns out he was telling the truth. So far 4000 US soldiers dead and no end in sight. I’m a conservative republican by the way.
Iraq had signed the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, and had so agreed to place all its nuclear material under the International Atomic Energy Agency safeguards. So that is why the UN had the right to inspect and monitor their nuclear program. Israel for example didn’t sign the treaty and so they do not have to tell anything about their nuclear activity.
Saddam was a bad guy no doubt and it’s a good thing for the Iraqi people that a tyrant is gone. One problem is Muslim extremists, whom Saddam had chased out of the country into Iran, are back now and winning elections in the newly liberated Iraq. Oops. Saddam actually allowed religious diversity; Christian Churches existed in Iraq and are now burnt to the ground. And the reason we went in turned out to not be accurate.
We are not safer now, we are more at risk. We are now more hated by Islamic extremists than ever before. That is an undeniable fact. One question to ask yourself is… if our government (and I mean not just the president but more the Congress since they have the real power) believes that terrorism is real and a serious threat why have we spent little on border security? When someone attacks your family from a nearby town do you run off and attack the down next to it and leave your home’s doors unlocked and wide open?
Again I am a hard core conservative republican; this is not a liberal talking this is a thinking human being talking.
But you don’t have to take my word for it spend some time to researching for yourself. There is a wealth of good information available. Talking heads on the news are worthless they know and report very little actual information.
Most of all I am interesting in what people think the mission was and why they believe it was successful.
The only anti-American people are those who support our bumbling, out-of-touch goofball of a president. There is more anti-American sentiment from around the world than ever before because of his lame-brained antics. Since most of his supporters seem to be knuckleheaded hicks anyway, they are too “ignerint” to see otherwise. I wish Hollywood had the balls to show the administration as it really is…as well as all of our SAD SACK soldiers who are brainwashed into thinking they’re doing the right thing. Pathetic…
Maybe if Weinstein didn’t piss off Star Wars fans over the movie “Fanboys”, “Superhero” would have done “slightly” better…or maybe not….
In terms of Hollywood and Iraq war movies. It’s not that people are turned off the Iraq War, they’e just turned off to how Hollywood wants to portray the Iraq War.
Give the people a no-nonsense “Band of Brothers” for the Iraq War and the people will flock in droves.
“I don’t think I have ever seen anyone, and I mean anyone love Stalin.”
Comment by Al — March 30, 2008 @ 5:05 am”
Snort! Ever hear of the Rosenbergs, who spied for Stalin?
Ever hear of the American “Progressives”, many of whom in the 1930’s could not disassociate themselves from Stalin’s show trials and other horrors, as did others who had seen Soviet Communism as the wave of the future?
Barack Obama, btw, calls himself a progressive. It’s now a code word for “far left socialist”.
cf “A Better World: Stalinism and the American Intellectuals”, By William L. O’Neill. Or Jonah Goldberg’s current bestseller “Liberal Fascism”.
And while you’re at it please explain why the Hollywood Left is so enamored of, so ready to put on the kneeepads for, the murderous dictator Fidel Castro. See the cover of “The New Yorker” magazine for this week!
stupid right wing hicks
you all vote republican and are too stupid to recognize the policies you vote for are designed to screw you over
you are the reason republicans won’t fund better education – better education means you’ll finally wise up
You are proof that Liberals are clueless on education. What would you like to fund. Research on how to make 2+2=4? How Oxygen and Hydrogen make water? Most of the money that liberals want to put towards education is to fill union coffers and a small amount actually goes to the students, or the teachers who deserve to make more money. But until we eliminate tenure and make teachers accountable for students learning no amount of money will save public education. So take your right wing hicks and shove it where you bf likes to play, left wing piece of crap.
I used to get offended and, subsequently, defensive when reading the condescensions of FflMeaganabber and his ilk. You see, they are pseudo-intellectuals who submit their mush to the brainwashing of their Marxist professors in academia who are professors in ivory towers who are too weak or frightened to live in the real world. Instead they live in the theoretical world, opining over their doobies about how zen the world would be if we could all just sing Kum-ba-ya in Utopia.
Those of us who actually LIVE in the real world know better. The reason I called you out, FflMeaganabber, is because you are just a perfect example of this smug attitude, while being entirely WRONG!
Joseph McCarthy had nothing to do with Hollywood. That was the House Un-American Activities Committee (oftentimes referred to as HUAC or HCUA). McCarthy was never in the House. He was a Senator, and was investigating the role of spies in the government, and was (years later, unfortunately) proven to be right in his assessment of the situation.
If you are going to try to win a debate by employing intellectual superiority, next time you should consider bringing something other than a butter knife to a gun fight.
@Mark:
Temper, temper, stupid right wing hick.
You are proving my statement to be right on the .. Mark.
I have to say, it’s tremendously satisfying to see Superhero Movie crash and burn. The genre has become so warped by the very people who created it that it’s going to take new blood to come in and do something completely different to save it. This is just more of the same garbage.
It’s also satisfying as a card carrying WGA member, because the film’s writer/director Craig Mazin not only worked on the movie through the duration of the strike, he used his blog to attack the WGA leadership and rank and file, posting damaging lies about us that ended up being used by the AMPTP against us.
This is a guy whose screenwriting website is called The Artful Writer, when all he’s ever done is co-write crap like Scary Movie and Superhero Movie. Not only doesn’t he know anything about writing artfully, he doesn’t give a damn about it. He’s a hack and an enemy to writers, and it’s absolutely marvelous to see his career take this major hit, after years of bragging about his enormous paydays, and what a comic genius he is.
Has anyone taken into consideration that Kimberly Pierce’s younger brother was stationed in Iraq? This movie is quite personal to her and a lot of research went into this project. This was based on a true story. Is it to say that her movie, Boys Don’t Cry, which was also based on a true story, was so “Hollywood” that it didn’t get its point across?
Cripes.
Nikki, please consider giving 10,000 bc a break! Yes the movie was dumb beyond belief and it’s not selling tix at a Gone with the Wind clip but it’s already amassed 200 mil worldwide so with a budget of just over one hundred million it should be well on its way to seeing a margin of profit during the first run.
I am a former American soldier and I too am disturbed that the media is biased against my country. Make a neutral to pro American movie about Iraq or Afghanistan and you might see a bigger box office.
Hollywood started making “anti American” films, as you guys would call them (I prefer to use the accurate, less dramatic term, “critical”), in the ’70s, and many of them did extremely well. The Oliver Stone Vietnam trilogy was a mega earner and it’s the reason why Stone is given the money to do another political film every 5 years or so, rather they’ve failed or not.
Stone’s success was in the Reagan ’80s, for crying out loud. Were Americans less patriotic then? Come on.
Someone above said; It’s not about people rejecting the movie due to an anti american message, but because Americans don’t like anything serious. This is a country that watches amateurs compete in a singing competition 3 nights a week, for crying out loud. It’s a pendulum. Sometimes Americans want to see something serious, sometimes they don’t. The bottom line, NOTHING serious does well today. To take another term someone above used, anything not “escapist” doesn’t do well.
I don’t want to get into politics on a thread about films, but I have to say; If Americans really rejected films like these for reasons of patriotism, you’d have to believe that Bush’s approval rating wouldn’t be as low as it is. And, yes, I’m aware that Congress’s is lower. But remember this: Clinton’s was at 70% on the very day of his impeachment! So it’s no excuse. 7 out of 10 people do not approve of President Bush at present day. This is a fact. So it just wouldn’t add up that the reason Americans are shunning Iraq related movies is out of loyalty to King Bush and his middle eastern crusade. I think you guys are the ones who need to wake up.
Two days ago, it was reported that Oliver Stone’s movie, tentatively titled “Bush”, has been greenlit for production. Anyone care to guess the slant?
Look, this is America, and as such, Oliver Stone, Michael Moore, MTV, and for all I care Shiela Jackson Lee, were she so inclined, are welcome to make movies all the livelong day. I don’t even care if they talk down to me for not seeing or appreciating their films. Free speech, freedom of expression, etc., is why we have had a military since before 1776.
However, all these posts from active, non-active, or non-military personnel telling people to enlist or shuttup sorta sounds hypocritical, if you don’t mind my saying so. I deeply appreciate the sacrifice of our entire military and contract personnel, who make it possible for me to not go to a movie I think is unworthy of my money. I am grateful that I can watch Fox News, or if I feel like it, MSNBC, and I know it is because of lives lost on a battlefield that I have that choice. Thank you. But if you’re going to tell me my choices and opinions are useless unless I myself have served, then I’m offended. Thank you for the freedom to be offended, though. Much appreciated, more than words can say.
As for those who make sweeping generalizations about me because I am a conservative, well, have at it, and blast away. If you don’t agree with me that Hollywood is indeed in the throes of an almost incestual creative melt-down, no problem. By all means, go see your movies, and enjoy them – you paid for them.
My complaint is primarily that while people are free to make films that attempt to inculcate its viewers with their political agenda, it limits choices. Hence, my renewed love affair with books. Not a bad thing, really.
Best to all of you.
“Did anyone ever notice how liberals come on these message boards and accuse all right-wingers of being angry white males, then they themselves start slinging the F-bomb and go off into furious hand-wringing tirades where they basically lay out their arguments with enraged strings of cussing and superficial insults?
Did anyone ever notice how liberals come on these message boards and point out typos as evidence of stupidity and lack of education, and then they themselves post with grammatical, typographical, and punctuational errors (see comments of rubbernecker et al)?
Doesn’t the hypocrisy, simplicity, and spoiled-child wrath of yon liberals almost make you want to snicker?
Comment by John Q”
Yes, I did notice and I, too, find it to be quite amusing. John Q, I think you are on to something. The vile vermin brats do have entertainment value. All of the variations of comedy can be found in their comments: the elements of surprise, incongruity, conflict, repetitiveness, and the effect of opposite expectations. True entertainment would be a 180 minute collage of these mockingbirds captured on video spewing forth their commentary with all of the hate-induced spittle they can sputter out. Now that is something I would pay to see! We can title the film “None Dare Call it Victory.”
“No one wants to see Iraq war movies.”
Correction… no one wants to pay good money to see anti-American propaganda.
Mark said: “you are the reason republicans won’t fund better education – better education means you’ll finally wise up.”
Nah. We work hard to send our kids to private
school. We don’t want our kids hanging out
with liberals’ kids.
PS.
If Hollywood wants “Stop Loss” they should make a pro American movie depicting American soldiers as the heroes they are, this movie should stop (money) loss.
to all the liberal bashers out there. Liberals aren’t going to see the anti war films either, NO ONE is.
I’d pay to see a movie in which Bruce
Willis leads an elite group of Navy SEALS
or maybe Delta Force to rescue women and
children from the hands of jihadis in Iraq
who intend to rape and murder them.
What I won’t pay to see is a movie based
on sniveling equivocations from the loony
left.
The world is at war right now. One of
the battlefields is in Iraq, but Iraq is
not “the war.” Which side wins will
determine the future of not only western
civilization, but human civilization. Our
fiercest foes are not to be found sitting
in caves in Afghanistan, but sitting in
comfortable chairs in places like Hollywood
and NYC. It is the enemies in our midst,
who attack and weaken us from within,
who are our greatest adversaries.
Who is writing this stuff. This country is certainly in more trouble than imagined. “Iraq war theme movies don’t do well because there is no resolution to the war.” HELLO!!!! An Iraq war movie will top the all time box office $$$$$ provided it tells the the following truths: We are winning and winning big,it has a true American cast–exclude George Clooney, Mat Damon, Robin Williams ect., they hate their country, it shows the world the true American spirit–how we fight and help the oppressed with our precious blood. If you really want to hit it big, have a least one scene where we are waterboarding some piece of crap terrorist–who of course will sing like a canary–they are all cowards.
“I honored my contract and I expect the army to do the same!”
You sir are an IDIOT.
Every soldier knows upon entering service the stipulations of the contract. You will serve at least 8 years (an agreed upon active term and the remainder being IRR) You can be stop-lossed.
The army will live up to it’s contract!
We are fighting a war against people who want to do harm to people who live free. If it were up to me, I would fight them to the last man on their turf if it meant not having to fight them on our turf.
When you see a soldier, thank him. No matter your politics. He protects your right to act like an idiot!
Once again Hollywood has shown it’s disdain for our Military and the country in general. Most Americans who live between L.A and New York do not want to see more left wing garbage trashing our nation, Military , And our President. You guys in Hollywood just do not seem to be able to comprehend that. No matter how much lipstick you put on a pig, It is still a pig. So you get some young good looking actors to try to dress up your hatred of all things American and guess what: The public was not fooled. You just know seeing who made the film { MTV } that they would have a liberal ax to grind. Keep churning out this trash, I for one will never see any of it, Nor anyone I know. There was a time when Hollywood supported the troops, Actors like Clark gable, Jimmy Stewart, Ronald Reagan all signed up to help. Now that type of courage and commitment is gone. The new stars of today would not bust a grape in a fruit fight. Simply pitiful .
Hey C Murry, no one is saying that you have to support Bush. As a matter of fact, had the movie been about his sucking public speaking, not building a wall for which we have already paid over a billion dollars, or putting boarder agents in jail for no good reason…NO PROBLEM! But if you freak’n libs have to LIE, and make up stories that didn’t happen and AREN’T happening…don’t call us informed folks small minded. Loser.
Dear “Raging lunatics” (if that’s actually your name),
I understand you want the “Drudge losers” to “just go away” as you put it, because they often represent a view that opposes yours, and in typical enraged and frustrated effete liberal fashion, you cannot *bear* hearing others articulate any view except yours. So you are happiest when you go “la la la la I’m not listening you stupid poopy heads…” and squeeze your eyes shut, and hopefully you will begin to feel better.
But consider: if everyone — including the “Drudge losers” who are “polluting” *your site* and are “not welcome here” — if everyone who disagreed with you stayed away, then all that would be left to comment here would be a five-person clique. What fun would that be?
Ahh, well. Liberals will be liberals. They are happiest when they are left to blissful ignorance and isolation from “right wing losers,” lest the pathetic and flimsy house of cards that represents their ideology comes toppling down with a few words of reality.
In addition to bolstering the argument of those who are highlighting the 4yrs active and 4yrs IRR requirement, I would like to bring up another fact. Another means of bringing people back into active duty is something that I noticed when I got out of the Navy in 1970. When you are discharged with an honorable discharge you are classified with the draft board as AAAA. This classification renders you eligible for recall before the IRR if your MOS is critical. We were aware of this mechanism and the other methods because we were counseled on them at our release. The guy who came up with the concept of stop-loss for this plot was obviously a sea lawyer or the Army equivalent.
You’re forgetting about one thing.
RAMBO.
Financially, the worst times in our lives have been under Dem. presidents.
Comment by American Dad — March 30, 2008 @ 8:08 am
Uh, explain the surplus that existed at the end of the Clinton administration and the defecit (exacerbated by the $500 billion for the war and counting) that we face today under Bush.
gary’s comment is funny, considering the Johnson administration fought the public relations war by in fact NOT stop-lossing troops during the Vietnam war, just as they did not mobilize any full units out of the military reserve. thats why units like the 7th Cavalry deployed to Vietnam after losing the bulk of their senior troopers and NCOs two weeks before they left the US for deployment, then lost even more within days of their actions in the Ia Drang Valley. nice try though
Regarding the #8 film ” , maybe these people need to actually realize that people are not on board with them. The reason nobody I know would go see that movie is because it is put out by people who are totally clueless as to what we are really at war about and do not live in the real world. Does the news that al queda is training people who look western to come here so they don’t attract attention mean anything to them? These people want us dead, whether or not we had ever gone there or not, that is their goal. We have eliminated thousands upon thousands of them, which is one of the biggest reasons there have been no more planes and homicide bombers here. Wake up and smell the coffee MTV, nobody believes you.
Wolf Pangloss:
I refuse to take seriously any argument that references “The Last Starfighter.”
Most of these comments read like a practical joke, someone doing an impression of nutso right-wingers. It’s amazing how repetitive you people are – why even bother to post? Your “points” (such as they are) were covered with panache multiple times in the first ten or so posts. Hollywood is out of touch, everyone loves the war Iraq, all the US ever does is righteously kick as and take names whoo hoo, “why do you hate America wahhhhhhhhhh” … That’s right, those Trotskyites just hate America, they’re out to getcha!
Mark:
Did you honestly think you were showing anyone up by referencing 2+2=4 and that hydrogen and oxygen make up water? That’s about a third grade reference right there, which I would excuse except that you made absolutely no sense. Of course we want money to teach kids how to read, write, do math, appreciate science and the arts and above all develop rational and independent thought so they can out-vote you and your fellow dolts some day.
If you think MTV or any major studio is going to put a movie out knowing it won’t make money, you must be anti-American, Why are you so anti-American? Anyway yeah, the movie was probably being made before it became apparent Iraq occupation-based movies weren’t doing to well, don’t you think? Or did they start production in January?
Anyways yeah. Hollywood hates America, it’s so obvious. I mean I’ve NEVER seen anything AT ALL remotely pro-American from Hollywood! Gosh no! It just never happens! I don’t even think I’ve ever seen an American flag in a movie that wasn’t either A) On fire or B) Upside down or C) Being used as toilet paper or D) ALL THREE AT THE SAME TIME! What’s up with that? Why do they hate America and seek to join forces with Stalin to destroy this great country by making movies???
Financially, the worst times in our lives have been under Dem. presidents.
Comment by American Dad — March 30, 2008 @ 8:08 am
Also, the Great Depression (you know what that is, right?) began under the Republican Hoover adminstration and was solved by Democrat FDR.
There are excellent pro-military true stories on both the Afghan & Iraq wars that could make epic movies. Two on Afghan war are “First In” by Gary Schroen and “Jawbreaker” by Gary Berntsen. An excellent book on Iraq is the taking of Baghdad by a thousand bold troops called ” Thunder Run”. Of course there are many others, all of which would attract movie goers.
What a bunch of blockhead idiots on this forum. If you hate Hollywood so much then why bother reading movie reviews? Some dope thinks that the majority of Americans support the war? What did you take a grenade to the head on your Iraq tour? Don’t you morons have any other comebacks against the left than the same tired rhetoric Rush Limbaugh told you to say? Why hate liberals? Becuase they have a different point of view? Sure glad I’m not filled with such stupid rage. Stop paying attention to media outlets that boil your blood. Turn off your tv’s, stop watching movies, read some books, and please get a life. Smile a little, you frumpy dingbats.
Anti-Iraq war movie = lost money
Liberal Newspapers = losing money
Liberal Radio = losing money
Liberal Canidates = losing presidency
Yeah, we on the right are the ones in the minority! LMAO all the way to the bank.
Whenever a reality series takes off another so called hollywood actor is out of a job! Support reality television put an actor out of work !
Re: Comment by Soldier — March 29, 2008 @ 7:45 am
Thank you for the clarity. I believe your commments.
It is time to set a hard timeline and get out of Iraq we do not have the toops for a sustained combat. Many of us have known that from day 1. We need some accountability and people in this administration need to be brought to justice.
The focus never should have left Afghanistan and we need to redirect the troops we have to finish that job. The Afghani border needs to be the resting place of Bin Laden.
Just saw the movie and it was disturbing. It was not a pleasant movie. It did not discribe a typical homecoming but it did represent a compilation of events that have happened. The director’s brother was/is a soldier and she stated as much. This is a common occurence.
Screw MTV Films and their pathetic attempt to stir up anti-American sentiment from young and impressionable people. Hollywood very blatantly tries to use it’s social position to sway average citizens with the producers and directors socialist tendencies. Also, The People’s Republic of China has lost one of their idiot’s, if anyone can find Davey please send him back.
Its real simple. The Bush Haters have spent the last 7 years trying their best to assassinate a president without ever firing a shot. Those in the liberal (or progressive as they like to be called now) media, those in Hollywood, and the far left radical fringe just do not get it.
However, the constant barrage of attacks on Bush have actually had some effect. He has a very low public image. However, in the process, the liberal elite power brokers also destroyed the publics view of Government in general. The Democratic Congress has a significantly lower approval rating than does the President that has been attacked non-stop for 7 years.
Hollywood and the New York City based media is totally out of touch with the mainstream in America. We are not like you. Nor do we want to be like you. You are basically socially inbreds who have isolated yourselves from reality and have self inoculated yourselves from the truth.
The very fact that ALL the anti-Bush, anti-Iraq war, blame America First, and yes outright anti-American movies BOMB at the box office is that WE IN AMERICA DO NOT AGREE AND WE ARE TIRED OF YOUR PROPAGANDA!!!
Thanks for the comments you conservatives…when I read the newspapers and listen to any t.v.news other than Fox all I hear is socialist propaganda…we have THREE socialist pigs competing for president of the greatest capitalist republic in the world…obama lama ding dong, hillbilly rottn, and mad mad mad mad mad mad mad mad mccain…they will turn the usa into the usssa (union of soviet socialist states of america) they want this nation to look like europe…the only way to VOTE is mad mad mccain…We do NOT want to give ONE party all the power, keep the assholes fighting each other so they’ll leave the rest of us alone…
i got called back during the gulf war, i didn’t like it, but i knew it could happen because it said so in the contract i willingly signed. this movie is a lie and deserves it’s low box-office.
You drudgers are true patriots, and I think you should all enlist immediately & go get those towelheads…I mean liberate them.
I would, but I have a lot of internet porn left to look at and World of Warcraft to play. I will keep continuing to pay my nice low taxes though (compliments of Bush…thanks Bush!). Who needs money for a $1 trillion war anyway…might as well give it back to us civilians…I am getting a rebate for the economy this year….woo hoo! I was thinking about spending it on some prescription marijuana…that should get the economy rolling again!
As someone who saw 21 instead of Stop-Loss, I can explain it like this:
A) I’m not all that interested in bureaucracy movies which is what Stop-Loss seemed like. The old war movies were essentially updated Westerns. The new war films are more like off-Broadway morality plays.
B) The marketing was terrible and, honestly, I doubted I’d see it (unless it got great reviews) because it was an MTV film.
C) Critics can only hurt Stop-Loss. Nobody expects 21 to be a critical darling. It’s a been there, done that, and been and done better type film. Stop-Loss needed good reviews and instead the reviews were mostly middling or over-the-top praise like “this painfully necessary and heartfelt movie”.
D) If the options are a boring lecture by a non-expert (Stop-Loss), grating unfunny jokes (Superhero Movie), or brain-dead bells and whistles (21), I’ll take the bells and whistles. I might forget it as soon as I leave the theater but at least I’ll be entertained.
“Also, the Great Depression (you know what that is, right?) began under the Republican Hoover adminstration and was solved by Democrat FDR.
Comment by Big Marge — March 30, 2008 @ 5:23 pm”
No, sweetie, the Great Depression was solved by WWII. FDR just lucked out. His social programs are the reason this nation will eventually have to stop all socialism or go broke. FDR was a socialist. Socialism is failure. FDR was a HUGE failure as far as this country goes.
“Uh, explain the surplus that existed at the end of the Clinton administration”
There was a balanced budget, but we still had a national debt. There was no real surplus. And, we didn’t have 911 or Katrina etc either.
http://bloodtoiltearsandsweat.blogspot.com/
“Why hate liberals? Becuase they have a different point of view? Sure glad I’m not filled with such stupid rage”
Why only aim that insult at us? It is obvious that you have no clue as to what you are talking about. Ever been to the Democratic Underground? Ever heard Code Pink? Ever listened to Air America, Al Franken, Michael Moore? Please, spare me your shit until you see both sides of the spectrum in action!
Do not look to anyone in the “Entertainment” industry for the reality of our military men and women. Instead, look in your own home town. I was at the Houston Stock Show and Rodeo last week. During the Poultry Auction, a wounded veteran fresh from the Middle East came onto the stage and did a series of one handed push-ups to help a high school agriculture student raise money for his school. The reason he was doing one haded push-ups is that he had lost the other one in the service of his country. If we as a country truly dislike what is being produced by Hollywood, then vote with your dollars. Boycott everything, not just the theactrical release. Refuse to buy their DVDs, their CDs, or any of their merchandise.
I saw “in the valley of Elah”. Should have been in the pile of BS. I was so ashamed they got a penny from me even for the rental. If I believed my government was as it is represented in these movies I would be actively trying to overthrow it. If the Hollywood Libs really believe these movies they are cowards who deserve to die in pain.
Here’s the deal. When you enlist, you have an 8 year obligation, no matter what your enlistment period is. For example, if you get out of the military after 4 years, you still serve 4 years in the inactive reserve, subject to recall if needed. It’s in the contract you sign at the recruiters office. If you’re one of the 10-15 percent of people that enlist and serve at least 20 years (as I am) and are able to retire, you are still obligated to service in the inactive reserves until your total time equals 30 years, subject to recall in the event of national emergency. I must fill out a form from the DoD every year keeping them up to date on my status. Stop-loss is a fact of life and happens on occassion. In the months/first year after 9-11, literally everyone was on stop-loss. Very few people could retire and damn near nobody could get out of the military.
While I’m on my soapbox….I’m tired of hearing people (including the Hollywood elite that put out movies that have no basis in reality) that have no experience in the military comment on the military. If you’ve never been there, be hesitant about commenting on a subject you’ve never lived. You don’t have the foundation of experience to tell me what I and my comrades feel. If you’ve been there and know what it’s all about, opine on. I’ll be happy to read what you have to say. I’m not saying we all support what’s going on, but we have a common basis for how we feel.
One last note….I saw Stop Loss and it’s bullshit. It wouldn’t happen in the real world. Just another way Hollywood trys to portray the gov’t as an evil entity.
If you’ve gotten this far….Thank You for reading my rant
Americans do not care about the war in Iraq or it would no longer be going on. 4,000 lives have been sacrificed, yet we at home have sacrificed NOTHING. Every day we carry on as if there is no war. Shame on us for our apathy. If you are not mad about the state of our country, then you just aren’t paying attention!
Funny, isn’t it? McCarthy searched high and low looking for Communists…he was merely early. :>
Maybe if being an actor/actress wasn’t like winning life’s lottery (and paying them less) their heads would swell less and they’d keep their humanity.
Instead they’re so guilty for making $50,000 for a single show-up that they think the only way to cleanse the guilt is to find it elsewhere.
But now’s not the time for truth; it’s time for the mega-hoax: Global Warming, the Population Boom, worldwide epidemics, the $100 laptop. Acid Rain, the Ozone Hole, and all sorts of other fantasies. I just wish the common man would use his OWN mind to think, and not let the TV do it for him.
Well it is official – The stiff spined “anonymous” has just stated that unless a presidential candidate has served in the military, they cannot send the military to the field. Therefore, using this twisted logic, Mr. Anonymous has just swung his vote for McCain, the only person to serve and therefore able to field the military as president. I like that line of thinking – unless a person has served in the “real” military, they are unqualified for president.
BZ! Socialist logic – gotta love it.
I, however, value my civilian leadership, regardless of party. I realize the Constitution is stronger than any party or person and that when pushed hard enough, the people will remove tyrants and fools – e.g. – 1994 and 2006 (Tyrants and then fools).
Oh, and the movie, wouldn’t waste my time.
“If you are not mad about the state of our country, then you just aren’t paying attention!”
Oh, we’re mad as hell! And we do pay attention. We’re just not mad at the same things that you are. And most of us know that we cannot just split from Iraq or the Middle East for that matter.
Just a word to “the Dude” if you’re still on here.
It’s interesting that you pointed out that you have “low taxes” thanks to the Bush tax cuts.
Then you point out that you are getting an economic stimulus rebate this year.
Hmmm, since the rebate only goes to those making less than $80k, I guess this finally puts the lie to the old “tax breaks for the rich” canard.
I’d hardly call $80k rich.
If you’re getting a rebate check AND you got tax cuts, the Bush tax cuts must have been “middle class tax cuts.”
Thanks for revealing the truth.
Funny how this movie came out about 9 months or so after the branches of our military released that they are meeting their quotas on re-enlistments and new recruits. I am sure that enraged Hollywood as they scrambled to find out why Americans have not learned yet that America is a bad country and they should not support anything that she does. Hollywood needed to explain that the only way the military meets their quotas is through mandating slaves. The majority of us know service members and consider them to be among the best and brightest people we are lucky to know….so, Hollywood message still not received.
There have been military members that have refused deployments. Although in the long run it is not good to do so, the ones who adamantly refused were discharged without serving any prison time for being AWOL. No one wants to serve with a whiny service member that absolutely refused to conduct themselves professionally because they feel like they have been wronged.
By the way, my job was stop lossed in 2003. After my deployment overseas, I was able to end my service. Everyone I dealt with were helpful and sympathetic that I had been extended. I did not mind doing my duty and left the military service as soon as I got back to the states, again with the aid of the finest people on the planet (the men and women of the US military). While overseas, I met several guys in the same situation as me, not a single one of us whined or complained.
The media, hollywood and MTV need to get a life.
Uh, explain the surplus that existed at the end of the Clinton administration and the defecit (exacerbated by the $500 billion for the war and counting) that we face today under Bush.
Comment by Joseph S
Are you filth pig “Clintonista” commie libs that stupid or are you just that uninformed? There was no surplus at the end of the Clinton administration; the numbers were based on a twenty year projection, you fool!
David Bellavia, who is nominated to receive the Medal of Honor explained that people are not comfortable with what soldiers do.
A *good* war movie doesn’t need to be pro-war (who, after all, is actually pro-war?) and while any hint of pro-defeat would kill it, what it really needs to be is pro-warrior.
I know that several people commenting here could not possibly abide something that was actually pro-warrior, as though anything about being in the military, of learning to kill people and break sh*t, couldn’t possibly be good or the people involved brave or truly, the study of war and waging war as valuable.
That’s too bad. People aren’t comfortable with what warriors do. Too bad. The truth is that no matter the circumstances of this conflict, the knowledge and ability and the people who take up the task of learning how to fight are not just necessary but worthy.
If someone wants to make a movie that pushes people out of their comfort zones, that would do it.
Anyone who’s been paying attention to the news out of Afghanistan and Iraq knows that examples of heroism abound. Examples of professionalism and sacrifice abound. There are any number of pro-warrior stories that could be told without ever EVER softening the horror of waging war but those stories will not be told because people are not comfortable with what warriors do and are most especially not comfortable with warriors who are GOOD at what they do.
Unless it’s a remake of King Arthur or Beowulf or something like that, so it’s all fantasy… then we can portray heroes and warriors and admire what we don’t quite dare look at close up and real.
Several people have accused those complaining of “Stop-Loss” of wanting happy, feel good stories when the biggest reasons we can’t have a pro-WARRIOR story is that it would be frightening.
True, Bob.
And if you are active duty for 2 years, like the Army used to offer (and I think they might again) you have six more years to make it eight.
And when you out-process a good deal of the paperwork is… you must keep a set of uniforms in good condition… you must not get fat… if you become medically unable to be reactivated you must inform the proper people… you must report all changes of address to the proper people… you must keep your IRR ID card… at the end of your IRR obligation you must return the ID card to the proper people.
Not that people sent back don’t whine. As a mother put it on Blackfive today… her son got recalled to active duty, he had his pout, she said, and then embraced the suck and went.
A lot about being in the military is about embracing the suck. It’s an experience different from anything else and worth seeing from the inside.
95% of the comments thus far can be described as follows:
“ignorance is bliss”
I’m sickened by the unprofessional attitude of those who claim to be active or inactive vets. I served my country. You’re not doing the rest of us any favors by acting liking name-calling juveniles free of self-discipline. Hold yourselves to a higher standard. It’s tough enough already to be taken seriously by civilians without you making it worse.
I refuse to stoop to the same level of conduct. It is beneath me.
I’m not surprised about the ‘Iraq’ films. The first thing after 9/11 was the Bowling for Columbine explanation of ‘terrorists’ aren’t ‘terrorists’, their blameless holy people who were pushed to do it and also School shootings are your fault, too.
Best Documentry? Pretty much made films irrelavant in some people’s eyes.
Always good to see the contributions from the Hatetriots. They distort the facts to help their lies, help the enemy, call American troops murderers, call the Real Americans names, push illegal welfare, support baby murders.
Good job LIBERALS – AMERICA SUFFERS BECAUSE OF LIBERALS.
THE WORLD’S AMERICA HATERS RELY ON LIBERALS TO SUPPORT THE AMERICA HATE.
now all the liberal hatetriots can go back to demonizing the Real Americans on this and other boards.
America’s enemies rely on your support – keep up the good work. OBL luvs you.
Over the last few days, I’ve read each of the 800-plus comments here. And I have two thoughts (the second of which might contain spoilers):
1) Nikki Finke — whom I imagine many of you consider a member of the “liberal media” — allowed everyone to have their (incredibly redundant) say.
2) I don’t know many people who make sweeping, generalized assumptions based on the characters or stories they see in movies. So I didn’t walk away from Three Kings with the belief that all soldiers in Desert Storm schemed to find loot — rather, it was a heist devised by a couple of fictional characters. Likewise, the central message from In the Valley of Elah is not that all veterans are homicidal maniacs protected by an image-conscious military. It was about those particular characters in that particular situation. So it’s not like I’m going to see Stop-Loss and automatically assume all soldiers feel the same way about the terms of their contract; I can guess at least one soldier had that reaction. But that’s as far as my thinking goes.
It’s a movie that anyone is free to take or leave, debate or ignore, love or hate. And since most of you think Americans won’t like it, I don’t understand this attempt to shout it down altogether. I also wonder about the soundness of an ideological viewpoint when its defense requires such a spectacular display of invectives.
While I’m not surprised that the major studios keep pumping out films critical of the Iraq/Afghanistan experience given the political bent of the majority of studios (assuming an inanimate object has a bent!), I am beginning to wonder when shareholders of these studios will begin to complain about the money being wasted on these films (and yes, to the shareholder it is money wasted since a shareholder does not care how well critiqued a movie is– only what it does at the box office).
I am not passing judgement on the two military campaigns as I am trying to keep my post to a “motion picture business” topic. But I will agree with most of the above posters that it might be possible to make a successful war film about Iraq and still draw an audience. The studios made countless successful war films during WWII and, believe me, the American people were MUCH sicker of going through that ABSOLUTE HELL than we are today of Iraq. The difference is, as already stated countless times above, back then the U.S. was treated fairly by the filmmakers (okay, in some cases the films were little more than propaganda, but again I am talking about making a commercially successful film– not a critical success).
My prediction: More of the same type of films with the same tired themes as those which have already lost hundreds of millions of dollars.
Again, folks, I’m talking about commercial appeal and am trying to keep politics out of the equation.
Are you filth pig “Clintonista” commie libs that stupid or are you just that uninformed? There was no surplus at the end of the Clinton administration; the numbers were based on a twenty year projection, you fool!
Comment by Scott — March 30, 2008 @ 7:53 pm
You truly are an idiot. My point is that when Clinton left office there was a projected surplus; when Bush will leave, there is a big, big projected deficit that has been exacerbated by the costs of an unpopular and unnecessary war and will take decades to be paid down. Your point was that the country is better economically under Republicans and I just gave you the most recent example of how that isn’t the case. You lose, sir, good day!
No, sweetie, the Great Depression was solved by WWII. FDR just lucked out. His social programs are the reason this nation will eventually have to stop all socialism or go broke. FDR was a socialist. Socialism is failure. FDR was a HUGE failure as far as this country goes.
Comment by Sandra Martin — March 30, 2008 @ 7:02 pm
Actually, sugar lips, while you are correct that WWII helped break out of the depression, FDR is generally revered by many (learned) individuals as one of the greatest presidents due to not only his handling of that conflict but also the creation of social programs that were absoltutely necessary to get people to the point where they could survive long enough for the economy to bounce back. If you and your breatheren would have been in charge, many more would have literally starved. So sure, you can argue that Republicans can (outside of our current president) be more financially solvent. They just leave out enough of the people to stay in the black.
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Anti-Iraq war movie = lost money
“Liberal Newspapers = losing money
Liberal Radio = losing money
Liberal Canidates = losing presidency
Yeah, we on the right are the ones in the minority! LMAO all the way to the bank.
Comment by Being right doesn’t make me wrong — March 30, 2008 @ 5:36 pm”
All newspapers are losing money, including the Washington Times, which noone would consider a liberal publication. This is due to the newer generations opting to get news online, though reputable news services, as well as blogs, etc. That is simply a testament to growing technology, don’t try to make it into anything else. We’ll see about the presidency. At least McCain is more reasonable than the idiot in the White House at the moment who will go down as one of the worst ever.
You’ve just confirmed every sterotype American’s have about the “angry left” in this country. YOU won’t fight for this country; yet you criticize anyone who does. In your own view, YOU are “smart”. “Patriots” (particularly those guys from the South who volunteer in place of the libs) are “dump f–k’s”. — Scott
Hey Scott, from most of what I’ve read on here, this stereotype is true for the conservative dolts who are not soldiers. Quite a few of those soldiers on here have been lucid and presented well thought-out arguments. Other right-wingers on here have largely sounded like the uneducated morons that they are stereotypically perceived to be.
Judging from the comments here, Iraq needs a Rambo movie. How compassionate. Hundreds of thousands dead, a million plus refugees, and all for an admitted lie. I think people stay away because they don’t want to face the facts.
Wow. Just mention a movie about the war in Iraq and the entire commenting pool of RedState and LittleGreenFootballs pays a visit. Interesting. One commenters doesn’t seem to know the difference between communist East Berlin circa 1980 and “socialist” Paris, circa 2005 or that, in any case, Barack Obama is not a socialist. Another person thinks “Vantage Point” is about Iraq, even though it’s set in Spain and its bad guy are simply “terrorists” — we never learn what cause they support. They certainly don’t seem to Iraqui.
Just worth mentioning among all this idiocy and ignorance that 70% of the country still thinks the war is a mistake, and those of us who oppossed this war from the start and others who realized our mistakes later love this country as much as anyone and support our troops — including by properly supporting them and their families after they return home injured, as they were promised.
Also, “Stop-Loss” failed because it’s about a depressing subject that few of the young people who see movies wants to hear about on a fun Saturday night, i.e., a failed, mistaken war. “Stop-Loss,” by the way, has been lauded by some conservative-leaning writers, so it’s likely not the leftist propaganda that these people are assuming it is, site-unseen.
I’ve lived close to Hollywood since leaving the Corps in 1971. So many of the “movers” just don’t get it… nor are they capable of getting it… not just about the war, but about many other political subjects. I used to see several films a week, but haven’t seen one for years due to all the brainwashing (are tickets still $6 each?). Oddly, many of the people behind the camera are (quietly, if they want to keep working) very conservative. As to writing scripts that reflect the average American… why would anyone (who wanted to get paid) write a conservative screenplay – knowing it either would not get made at all or else would be mutilated to fit a Liberal agenda?
First off, to anyone who thinks “Stop Loss” is a true story, that’s the first problem. Hello, it’s fiction, so don’t treat it as real.
So if Iraq War movies aren’t playing well, why is Hollywood still making them? There’s a reason you don’t see Western’s anymore and why Thrillers are on the rise. Studios make movies that sell tickets, yet movies about the Iraq war don’t sell. (Wanna bet, they’d sell if it was about a US super solider wiping out terrorists?)
As for Super Hero movie, there are just too many spoofs, “Meet the Spartans”, “Scary Movie 1 – 9″, “Date Movie” etc etc…Can’t wait for the DVD, but there needs to be more time between these movies.
“The majority of real military service people have disapproved of the handling of the Iraq war since 2006.”
Hello? It’s 2008. You think a 2 year old poll might be a little stale? A lot has happened since then. Here’s how I read the poll and how I read it then. Two years ago we weren’t winning. The poll reports that a majority of the older senior enlisted and officers weren’t happy with the leadership. That means the direction of the war.
What they want to do is win. That’s all it takes. Just win.
Proud Navy Retiree 1973-1994.
EIGHT HUNDRED comments on this?
Really, does someone bring in a load of meat puppets from drudge or something? Seriously, it’s a BO article, who really cares that much? All the spam makes discussion threads like this pretty worthless…
“You truly are an idiot. My point is that when Clinton left office there was a projected surplus; when Bush will leave, there is a big, big projected deficit ”
Sorry, but you just can’t compare the two. Clinton did not have 911 or Katrina. Actually, we HAD 911 because of Clintons Liberal world view, but that’s another story for another day. Clinton didn’t have the Tsunami and the “pledging” war. Look what Bush has done for Africa. Look at how much money he gave to them and aid. We got a tax cut. And yes, WE got a tax cut. CLinton added much to the national debt as well, don’t be fooled.
“FDR is generally revered by many (learned)[socialist Liberals] individuals as one of the greatest presidents due to..but also the creation of social programs that were absoltutely necessary to get people to the point where they could survive long enough for the economy to bounce back.”
And what a multi trillion dollar socialist legacy he has left. Wait until the baby boomers retire.
http://bloodtoiltearsandsweat.blogspot.com/
“and all for an admitted lie.”
LOL speaking of lies…fool
I Voted for Nader, I HATE EVERYONE.
“You truly are an idiot. My point is that when Clinton left office there was a projected surplus…
Comment by Joseph S. — March 31, 2008 @ 6:57 am”
No Sir, it was not; you said “surplus that existed at the end of the Clinton administration.” There is a difference between “surplus that existed” and a surplus that was based on a twenty year projection. Don’t piss in my ear and tell me it’s raining! If your point was indeed that you would have clarified it as such.
“Your point was that the country is better economically under Republicans and I just gave you the most recent example of how that isn’t the case. You lose, sir, good day!”
Comment by Joseph S. — March 31, 2008 @ 6:57 am
Excuse me, but my point? What on earth are you talking about? I never said such. What’s the problem Joesph, are you too busy bloviating to remember who said what? I suggest you climb down off of your high giddy-up before you fall and hurt yourself. If anyone rightfully deserves to be called an idiot, it is you!
No wants to hear hollywood or Mr. Reese Witherspoon
(Ryan Phillipe-yes I know they are divorced) or any hollywood anyone or anything on their political soap box.
We civilians (non-hollywood people) do not need hollywood to tell us how we should think.
Give me us break HOLLYWOOD, you are not as important as you think.
“Don’t piss in my ear and tell me it’s raining! If your point was indeed that you would have clarified it as such.”
You are right, good job scott
http://bloodtoiltearsandsweat.blogspot.com/
“most americans support the war” ?????!!!
what version of america do these people live in?
Have any of you people (or person w/ multiple screenames perhaps?) who are working yourselves into a froth about Stop-Loss being anti-American or what-have-you actually seen the movie? It is amazing, and it is 100% sympathetic to the American soldiers. And I happen to know someone personally whose husband has been stop-lossed into four consecutive tours of duty in Iraq, and if you think he or his wife are jumping for joy or that they believe that he signed up for this, you’re delusional. I think this film will find an audience. It is, so far, the only “Iraq film” that I had any interest in seeing because it did seem more than a propaganda piece. Give it a chance.
Sympathetic to American soldiers != Soldiers as Victims.
Sorry.
“most americans support the war” ?????!!!
what version of america do these people live in?
The US. Most do support the war. Maybe not how it was conducted, but the war itself, is supported. But since it was brought up, this is real world. There cannot be Monday morning quarterbacking in war. The overwhelming majority of Americans were/are in support of this war. Just because things don’t operate smoothly, does not mean that we can click the reset button and start over. Of course, the press didn’t help any with their bias and un American reporting. Scumbags.
It’s official.
Hollywood has now dropped more bombs on the US public about the Iraq War than the US military has dropped on the enemy during the Iraq War.
all this talk about anti-american out of touch hollywood film making leading to poor box office results ignores one simple fact, Stop-Loss was a poorly written and confused film.
it fails from the dumbest film school basics, scenes with no/ obscure tension, a meandering second act goal, and Joseph Levitt’s storyline wanders through the story beats like a drunken toddler on a tricycle (excuse me for being on the nose), yet this is the culminating tragedy for Phillipe…
dramatically it makes no sense… maybe, just maybe, this might be the cause for poor reviews and box office failure.
of course, if they had approached it from the perspective of telling a good story and not making a statement, it might have helped the film tremendously.
Excuse me, but my point? What on earth are you talking about? I never said such. What’s the problem Joesph, are you too busy bloviating to remember who said what? I suggest you climb down off of your high giddy-up before you fall and hurt yourself. If anyone rightfully deserves to be called an idiot, it is you!
Comment by Scott — March 31, 2008 @ 3:32 pm
Ok fine, sir, it was “American Dad”’s point, but you were trying to destroy the counterpoint that I had made to his, thus I admittedly confused who argued what initially. Doesn’t really matter. I made a valid counterargument and you jumped in the mix with a stupid attempt to stereotypically attack without actually addressing the substantive issue being discussed. Kind of sums your idiotcy. Once again, you lose, sir, good day!
It is anti-Amercan to produce anti-soldier movies based on lies.
It is also anti-American to agree with Osama Bin Laden that Iraq is a Failure based on a lie.
Everytime you say ‘Iraq is a Failure based on a lie’, you repeat the words of Osama Bin Laden.
It is amazing how leftists see this movie garbage and think the country agrees with them.
It is also amazing to me how midterm election results cause selective historical amnesia and dillusion.
This is why you will hear President John McCain in 2009.
I’m not even for us being over there and are a democrat yet i’m so sick and tired of seeing anti-iraq/anti-war/anti-american policy movies. Even if you don’t completely support this its sickning to act like we’re evil for being there and the government is some tyrant. I’m sick of these stupid movies already!
Transformers, even though it wasn’t exactly about the Iraq war, was an action movie with a lot of action focused on American Soldiers in the middle east. Did that movie flop like the anti-war flicks did?
Anti-war movies are not going to do well right now, because people have too much emotion tied up in the middle east. Light faired stuff, however, could make a lot of profits. Watch for Iron Man to do very well, because it is a fantasy about a super hero who takes on our real threats, in the middle east. Escapism heroism is what the public wants. Give it to them.