UPDATE: A Fox spokesperson issued a public denial tonight. "The Defamer.com story about the Studio banning CAA from the Fox lot, is categorically untrue. The exchange, which took place well over a year ago, between a Fox executive and a CAA agent -- that supposedly triggered the 'ban' -- never at any point escalated to the level and language as reported on Defamer.com."
The gossip website Defamer today is running word-for-word with a CAA-Fox story which an anonymous tipster emailed me two weeks ago. But the website failed to do what I did: I checked it out exhaustively, and, even though I've come down harder on CAA than any media outlet over the years, I found that the facts weren't anything like the story which the tipster was passing along. In fact, the truth was not newsworthy. (I'm not linking because the Defamer blogger who wrote it gets paid by the page view. So don't reward someone for inaccurate info...) That's also the same gossip website and blogger that recently reported erroneously that Tracey Jacobs was leaving United Talent when she wasn't. Yes, reporting on Hollywood agents would be so much easier if only pesky facts didn't get in the way. But here's what really annoys me: supposedly reputable news outlets and reporters are now picking up erroneous information from gossip websites like Defamer. This is wrong on so many levels that I'm dismayed. Which is why I've decided to go behind-the-scenes of one such egregious and recent example of a showbiz reporting inaccuracy:
Back on April 9th, I broke the somewhat stunning news here that superstar Robert DeNiro had left his longtime talent agency CAA. At 10:54 PM that day, an anonymous comment signed "A CAA Agent" was made to my post (see #11). I had no way of knowing whether it was written by a CAA agent. Because of that, I never would have dreamed of making it part of DHD's editorial section. But other reporters did, to my shock.
Two days later, on April 11th, Defamer (via Stu VanAirsdale, the same gossip blogger who made the errors above) picked up the comment, erroneously claiming in the headline that a "None-Too-Bitter CAA Rep Has Some Choice Parting Words Of Advice For Robert De Niro". In the body of the post, Defamer claimed the comment had been written by "an anonymous CAA operative" without ever verifying that.
Enter Anne Thompson, who on April 15th erroneously wrote on her Variety blog that "an 'anonymous agent' from CAA posted this online comment on the departure of Robert DeNiro [sic] which is now getting emailed all over town". She linked back to the Defamer item.
On the morning of April 21st, Patrick Goldstein prominently reprinted "a venomous response purportedly from one CAA agent that was e-mailed all over town" in his LA Times column about Robert De Niro and Al Pacino. He even lent credence to the comment he reprinted. As his source, he linked back to Thompson's Variety blog.
Indeed, the LA Times' involvement is particularly unsettling -- not just because of Chuck Philips' recent reporting meltdown (that necessitated a retraction of his very wrong story that Sean "Diddy" Combs orchestrated an attack on Tupac Shakur), but also because of the newspaper's own sourcing policy (that will now result in written reprimands and reduced raises if violated). But I alerted both Goldstein and his editor Betsy Sharkey about his column's inaccuracy, and both have refused to correct it. What does this say to readers? Especially when Goldstein is about to start blogging daily.
Then, on April 30th, Slate.com's Kim Masters excerpted what she claimed was "a memo, supposedly created by an anonymous CAA agent in the wake of De Niro's recent departure from the agency [which] has been pinging around the Hollywood blogosphere for a couple of weeks now, but we pass it along in part..." She linked to the Alternative Film Guide blog whose Andre Soares at least correctly sourced it back to an anonymous comment on DHD.
And so it comes full circle.
I've since confirmed that not one of these reporters went to CAA and officially asked about the random Internet comment that originated on my site. As CAA spokesman Michael Mand told me with a sigh: "Anyone can claim to be whoever they want on the Internet." One CAA partner was especially outraged over Goldstein's inaccuracy and fumed to me, "The blurring of it all is astounding, anonymous comments cited as sources. Everybody is so damn desperate to be relevant and beat the Internet that it's making good journalists betray themselves."
I couldn't have said it better.


Wow. Again Nikke, you’ve shown to be a consumate journalist. You should work for the LAPD as a detective. Crime rates would drop to zero in a week. It’s sad that the sorry state of Newspapers are causing journalists to jump at every piece of meat thrown their way without regard to what the facts really are. That’s not going to make their subscriptions go up.
I can’t defend Defamer too much in the post-Lisanti era, but they still do call themselves a “gossip rag,” and a gossip rag exists to pass on gossip, not to self-impose rigid journalistic standards.
I don’t know what Variety or the LA Times’ excuses are, though. Unless they want to reclassify themselves as gossip rags, that is.
Nice work, Nikki. This should be required reading at every J school in the country — though I suppose it isn’t until after they get out of college and into “professional” media that journalism students stop practicing responsible sourcing and neutrality.
Very illuminating piece.
I think the true source of this problem is that the 24/7/365 news cycles basically demands that every event, no matter how trivial, be reported as “live” as possible.
I guess you can boil it down to the statement that being first with the story is considered better than being right with the story.
I just want to say, I NEVER EVER comment, but this is so spot on that I had to. Nikki, you killed it when you quoted that exec who said everyone is clamouring to be relevant, that they “sell” (whore) themselves to beat the internet. This can especially be seen in our televised media (see current election coverage).
The whole point of journalistic integrity & rules of ethics, aside from actually telling the facts to get a story ‘right’, is that the stories have direct effects on our lives so we must be held accountable. Without the facts and guidelines for what one can & can’t do, then you have the Salem Witch trials, espcially over the internet. Notice how everyone is “an anonymous source”? And the “winner” if you will, is the person who posted without name recognition & feeling oh so gleeful with the gossip-fueled mess they have created. People lose jobs, loved ones, careers & much more over what people carelessly say as gossip. It’s a sad day when the journalistic world, in which I was taught, quotes TMZ of all things in their stories! Disgusting! Thank you for calling out our own BS and staying honest. I support you 100%. Keep doing what you are doing.
Umm, I think they may be bad journalists. Otherwise wouldn’t there be nothing to betray? Lousy journalists should be called out for what they are.
This is a terrific analysis. And I’d just like to add my two cents about Anne Thompson. She has seemed irrelevent for a long time now. Her blog posts, which do not inform or inspire in any way, basically repeat news from other sources, which many of us read long before we get to hers. That, or she reviews movies through what sounds like her young daughter’s point of view. They pay her for that?
Defamer is particularly embarrassing since original editor Mark Lisanti (who is a good guy) left. I’m sorry to be earnest about the importance of the press, but the way those kids straddle the line between “gossip” (which has really low standards of journalistic ethics) and also claiming to be a reputable industry news source is really effing lame. I’ve seen too many instances of them running with an unverifiable story – and not something silly and gossipy, something serious and potentially career-damaging – to be surprised by your story, but it’s still really unfortunate. I would love it if the current editors took this story to heart and realized the importance of at least printing a disclaimer when they run things like this.
But I doubt they will. The Gawker clan seems to largely be staffed by a bunch of narcissistic 20-and-30-somethings with no real journalistic training who take the approach that they can say whatever the hell they want, because they’re “just bloggers”.
Ugh.
Guess they didn’t leave an email address because that’s not too anonymous. Thanks for keeping us honest Nikki
Defamer is part of Gawker, which its group of genre blogs just recycles other and better blogs content and posted as its own, with the possible exception of Consumerist
Great posting, Nikki.
This problem extends beyond show biz news. It has been running rampant in the political arena, too.
MSM is a dead beast, largely self-inflicted. These corporate owned monoliths are so rife with agenda, and misrepresentations, viewers cannot trust anything they watch, read, hear anymore. Just today that story broke about how the DOD was secretly paying and planting retired military people, posing as independent analysts, onto cable news to advocate the White House’s war policies.
It is kind of funny that CAA is lamenting all this. These news outlets improperly cater to the corporate world and agenda, in which CAA figures prominently.
CAA just wants to be the one controlling the misinformation.
Too bad. For a moment, we had a glimmer of respect for Chernin.
I dunno, Nikki. Checking and verifying sources seems awfully advant garde to me. Next thing you know reporters will have to be factually correct, too. And we can’t be havin’ none of that in this town, where whole careers rise and fall on innuendo and rumor.
Nonetheless, kudos to you for being the consummate pro. It’s sorta refreshing, y’know?
People can do or say anything they want on the Internet without any penalty it seems. As a journalist myself, I see the Internet as a both a blessing and a curse.
Brett
it’s a gossip blog. they run with rumors. I can’t fault defamer for that. I can fault them for being boring though.
the LA Times not checking is simply ridiculous though and I agree that people should fact check so they know what they are talking about.
Something EVERY reporter these days should pay attention to more especially before spouting off unobjective opinion as news. (hint hint)
This is the problem with the internet, sure it’s great and everything, but ANYONE can access it and have their own web sites, and let’s face it, the majority of people just aren’t that bright.
I am an avid sports fan and I can tell you story after story about how some idiot posts something on one board using some sort of ‘trade machine’ and few hours later it’s a rumor on reputable sports sources.
I remember once driving home, hearing an San Diego sports announcer opine on a deal that the Philadelphia Sixers and Los Angeles Clippers should consider making, and I just knew what would happen, and sure enough in the 15 minutes it took me to finish my drive home and check online, the sixers and clippers were in ‘heavy discussions’ about said deal…it was almost sad how predictable it was.
More grist for my sterilize the stupid campaign if i’m ever elected president.
Of course the interenet is a blessing and a curse, but come on that’s a tired cliche and crutch that can be applied to almost ANYTHING….cars, a blessing and a curse, democracy, a blessing and a curse…
Celebrity and gossip blogs run by the uniformed and the hackish are a symptom of a much deeper problem that goes all the way back to how horrible our school systems are these days if you really want to talk about it.
But really, no one does, they wanna talk about the LoHans and high school musical and the procession of no talent wanna bes who become celebrities on reality tv.
Way to call it, Nikki. Patrick Goldstein has written numerous columns with dodgy facts and mistaken opinion masquerading as “journalism.” I’m glad someone finally took him to task for it.
Nice way to break things down, Nikki. Of course, in a soulless scumbag-filled town such as this, most people do not care if what they say or print, or blog about others is true, nor do they care if the person is damaged by it, they just want to say it. Pretty fucking sad times we live in.
And that is exactly why I read DHD and not Defamer!
Defamer has never been a source of news, but more of a clipping service of other sites. However, it had its charm. Now it’s merely hate-filled and uninspired.
What were the facts of the Fox-CAA incident? You say the facts were not as told by Defamer, but what were the facts?
Too much blogging on the internet.
Everyone thinks they have something important to say, but mostly it’s just a shrill cacophony.
This site has relevant news/truth you can’t get elsewhere, and Nikki has a unique, fearless pov.
Hopefully that won’t change with success.
For those of you who have not yet vomited today, please have a look at this ( http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/25/magazine/25internet-t.html ) piece of shit that ran Sunday as the cover story in the New York Times Sunday magazine. It’s an incoherent, self-indulgent whine by a former Gawker.com “writer” or whatever word might apply. Nick Denton, the English Karl Rovian successor to Rupert Murdoch in minimizing the quality of American news coverage, owns the Gawker empire and is responsible quite personally for everything it represents. He is much thought of back on his curry-breathed island, of course. In New York, he has created the myth that he is making a fortune with the Gawker blogs. Believe that and you may have the Thames river for your back yard. His business right hand is a woman called Gaby Darbyshire, who characterizes her social position back home as “elite”. Darbyshire, when discussing Gawker and Denton in social settings, lies so ferociously about everything Gawkerish it’s a wonder there’s any truthiness there at all. Denton has already jumped the shark. Ignore his droppings and he’ll go away.
Defamer is great, so entertaining.
And, to illustrate a post I made a couple weeks ago about GTA 4 and the lack of VO residuals in video games, here’s an article about the lead actor on it:
http://videogames.yahoo.com/feature/gta-iv-star-only-made-100-000/1215423
Remember that brilliant New Yorker cartoon by Pete Steiner? “On the internet, nobody knows you’re a dog.” In truth, you probably shouldn’t have allowed that particular dog to name himself “A CAA Agent.”
But I also recall reading that comment and thinking it did have the brutal ring of truth. Essentially, DeNiro is not the star he once was and he should adjust his expectations accordingly. The writer probably wasn’t a CAA Agent, but they obviously “heard things.” They were most likely a young assistant or a friend of an agent who couldn’t bear the indignity of their associate losing DeNiro.
So will Defamer ever respond to either this post or to CAA’s correction? Dang.
A problem with the Defamer model of “reporting”, where anything juice is reprinted pretty much verbatim from the anonymous email it showed up in, is that people in Hollywood are all basically gossipy starfuckers. Everybody wants to feel like they have a good story that they’re the first to tell at the party.
In real life, I’ve seen this happen many times. Totally fake stories being spread around because they make the spreader feel important.
Sure, this has always been a problem, but with the explosion of blogs that claim to “report”, it’s just gotten worse. A certain kind of person is DYING to have his or her “anonymous tip” show up on Defamer/Gawker/Perez/TMZ.
I can’t believe that Defamer can just get away with claiming that a named exec called another named exec a certain word. Retraction? No sir. (Or maybe they’ll run one on the post itself once it hits page 9 of the archives.)
I used to read Defamer but gave it up the day Lisanti said good bye. I see it as someone else mentioned a roundup of entertainment news. I might have outgrown the evilness of the Perez dirtpile but I did love the humor of the old Defamer gang, from what I understand now, its just slightly above TMZ. So I do it old school, read the online editions of several papers, hit a few blogs for the spin and truth at times and then decide for myself.
I don’t know the back story for the CAA-FOX story but I am sure that every single studio has at one time or other wanted to ban one of the agencies. So what. How did it become big enough to get to the LA Times?
LA so needs a relevant newspaper.
I wasn’t aware that anyone still read Defamer.
As many have said about our once-respectable media over the last few years: Matt Drudge rules their world.
I understand the comments about Gawker in general, but to be fair, Defamer is the WORST of that bunch. Poorly written and obnoxious as all get out.
This puts “Insider Information” in a whole new light. Are comment sections now considered “insiders”?
Also, I have to assume that anybody that refers to “Hollywood Blogs” hasn’t figured out that said blogs reach beyond the borders of LA.
Un, not to defend Defamer, a site that nobody should defend, but I’m interested in this world you inhabit in which you can walk into the offices of a firm like CAA and ask, “Hey so did any of you guys say this stuff about Robert DeNiro on my blog? As an anonymous commentator?” and they will promptly tell you the truth.
You think if that had really been somebody from CAA they would:
A) Have left their real name on your blog?
B) Admitted that they were the anonymous commentator?
C) Given you or anyone else the permission to report as much on your site?
I’ll be here grooming my unicorn under the magic rainbow while you mull that over.
You do have a point though that all these people should have made a bigger deal out of the fact that this was an anonymous commentator who, as that shocked CAA person you contacted noted, can make things up as they like.
Welcome to web, everybody. It’s only been around for years.
and why would a caa agent write a letter so eviscerating to Pacino and Jon Avnet, current caa clients?
la times is the absolute worst,due in no small part to p goldstein…
Unfortunately, any such behavior occuring between 2000 through the end of this year can also be described as “downright Presidential.” E.g.:
Defamer = Bush/Cheney
Followers = Fox News, MSNBC, CNN, Networks
Nikki = Bill Maher
Let’s hope President Obama can instill new standards, not just among Tinseltown criers but across the board. Because when you look at the big-big picture, Defamer et al are simply hailing the chief.
NICE!
Excellent article. Truth be told if a ban were to happen it would be the other way around. CAA would and could Ban FOX from ever producing another project and likely turn the whole studio in an Enterprise Rental Car parking lot in about the same time it would take Tom Cruise to save some stranded motorist off the 10 FWY!