THURSDAY AM UPDATE: Estimates now are that the Hugh Jackman film, the 4th in the X-Men franchise for 20th Century Fox, was downloaded hundreds of thousands of times from file sharing websites on Tuesday. This is a huge blow to the studio's major summer blockbuster if those viewers don't go to a theater to see the film. Meanwhile, the web piracy has created a lot of buzz around the pic, both positive and negative. The Internet is now filled with fanboy comments about whether Wolverine is any good. Despite the added publicity, this is a nightmare scenario for Fox.
2ND UPDATE: I've just been given this statement by 20th Century Fox:
"Last night, a stolen, incomplete and early version of X-Men Origins: Wolverine was posted illegally on a website. It was without many effects, had missing and unedited scenes and temporary sound and music. We immediately contacted the appropriate legal authorities and had it removed. We forensically mark our content so we can identify sources that make it available or download it. The source of the initial leak and any subsequent postings will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law – the courts have handed down significant criminal sentences for such acts in the past. The FBI and the MPAA also are actively investigating this crime. We are encouraged by the support of fansites condemning this illegal posting and pointing out that such theft undermines the enormous efforts of the filmmakers and actors, and above all, hurts the fans of the film."
8:50 AM UPDATE: This is no April Fool's joke. Instead, Fox executives are describing it to me as one of the worst piracy scandals they can recall, since it involves a major studio and major movie. The studio is understandably in a panic. With the film opening on May 1st, this leak could cause incalculable damage to the box office of the latest in the valuable X-Men franchise. The studio must find out who did this and punish him/her/them to the full extent of the law. Meanwhile, the Internet is on fire about this DVD-quality work print of Wolverine being leaked online yesterday. Twentieth Century Fox stresses it's an old rough cut without FX, music, etc -- so that may mitigate the damage because isn't that why you see the movie in a theater anyway? The execs say it may contain a virus. But even if the studio claims that viewers of the pirated copy will age 20 years overnight, that isn't going to solve the problem. Toughness will. And it looks as if that's exactly what 20th Century Fox is doing to combat this piracy.
Coincidentally, this comes just days before U.S. Congressman Howard Berman, chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, will hold a field hearing in Van Nuys on April 6th to assess the financial impact of global intellectual property piracy. On April 30 the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative is scheduled to release its annual report on intellectual property policies and practices in other countries. Last year’s report placed nine major offenders on the USTR’s Priority Watch List, including China, Russia, Thailand, and Argentina. A RAND study released earlier this month alleges that organized crime is increasingly active in film piracy. Just one problem -- that study was funded by the MPAA.


Saw it this morning and its not good at all. Rough cut or not no amount of editing or added fx can save it from the bad word-a-mouth its gonna receive.
Wow! That sucks. What kind wonky of security do studios have on their prints? A leak one full month before the movie’s release date. It’s serious indeed.
Nikki the virus thing is just Fox trying to scare off pirates by exploiting the recent “conficker” scare – its pretty pathetic and lacks any credibility with the tech savvy geek crowd who download these torrents.
It seems to me that they would be better off stressing the fact that apparently this print is missing up to 20 minutes of screentime (the recent reshoots?) and lots of fx work. What are these tentpole movies without the fx after all?
I’m not a big FOX fan, principally because of how they treat people who work for them. And their HR department appears dedicated to protecting and covering for executives – seems their only job.
But this seems like a very inside job. And it hurts everyone in the business.
The way movie editing seems to work lately is this acres and acres of hard drive bays for which films being edited are stored. These should exist on separate, isolated networks on the studio lot, so that they cannot be “leaked” via FTP or other modes of electronic transmission.
If FOX’s IT has insisted on a network link to provide “service” to the post/editing section then someone is going to have a LOT of egg on their face and probably heads should roll.
However, my suspicion is that it either happened in the editing suite, or off-site at the director’s offices. While it may not be that hard to walk out of a studio with a hard drive, the fact is it would be missed immediately.
And it would take a terabyte hard drive to copy this movie. Or someone would have to take an hour or so to burn a lower quality DVD of the data. And that takes time. Which means they could get caught. So I’m just wondering how this was done.
My bet is a director, assistant director, etc etc had a working copy that was left unattended. I really don’t believe FOX’s security in post or IT would have let this one get off the lot.
(Moi spent 25 years in IT systems and electronic data transmissions before becoming a psychotherapist.)
The fans who are eager enough to download Wolverine will go to see it at the cinema anyway.
But if the leaked version shows the film as being just plain bad and it gets panned by word-of-mouth (or word-of-blog), that could really hurt it.
Toughness? Is that really the answer, after the fact? How did it work when the RIAA sued downloaders?
The answer is not suing downloaders, it’s not frisking journalists for cameras at press screenings- it’s choosing your vendors carefully, and setting up a proprietary system of their working on the film, so that DVDs aren’t passed around like hotcakes months before the release of a major studio film.
Dylan brings up a good point.
It’s a very possible scenario that an executive might have been careless with the working copy rough cut, etc… Executives, anecdotally speaking, are known for demanding security for everyone but themselves….
I’d say the answer is to make movies that aren’t pieces of crap — all this demonizing of torrent dls is mostly fatcat greed. THE DARK KNIGHT seems to have done kinda okay at the box office, as well as TAKEN and GRAN TORINO — a recent example of three movies that were available in DVD quality torrent dls while or before they were in the theatres. The movie-going experience is crappier yet more expensive than ever, while ubergreedy hardware/software manufacturers insist on pushing blu-ray on the consumer at wildly inflated prices — during a recession. Off with their heads & long live the torrents!
I thought EVERYTHING was watermarked or coded somehow, so how this ended up being a clean print definitely points to someone deliberately trying to undermine Fox. I have no love for Fox, but hope they find whoever did this and stick them in a deep, dark hole for a very long time. This is awful.
Totally agree with “Dylan” studio security at press screenings and the like is ridiculous. Studios need to work on their “in-house” security.
Hm that kind of sucks.. I don’t know when it was due in the cinema? I’m not sure what effect it will have on box office sales but whatever.. Of course, the losses will be calculated by doing the total number of downloads x $10,- which is, RIAA style, totally unrealistic. I think that’s how they came to the $18.3 billion as well? I think that the majority of the people who download it would either not have cared enough to pay for it in the first place or actually buy a copy because they think it’s good stuff and they simply maintain a try before you buy policy. Anyways, still I think it sucks when a movie leaks on the net when it’s not finished, as some people who download it might not enjoy the unedited version and therefore get a negative opinion about the movie before it’s even properly finished.
Anybody know how I can watch it?
I dunno, Dylan. If you made it pretty clear within the industry that if caught leaking you would never work again, that would drastically reduce the number of leaks. The downloaders & journalists haven’t betrayed the film, the leaker has. That’s being “tough” on the person who deserves it.
Helen Hill’s suggestions are great, as are any that cut down the number of emotionally uninvolved people that have access to any material that would compromise the film. Most important is that all of the players involved in film are working in its best interests.
See, Studios? SEE?
Keep treating your employees like shit; this is just the beginning!
The fact is, the studios have not invested that much money in anti-piaracy in the last five years. I would bet Fox has spent more on making two Garfield movies than they have on filmed entertainment antipiracy in the last five years.
This effort needs to be as big and robust as the effort and energy being put into big media joint ventures like Hulu.
They should actively pump out corrupted files on these torrent sites that permanently FRY any computer they touch. This kind of thing is causing serious erosion in the value of ALL intellectual property.
Bullshit. If you look at the most recent studies for big budget movies that are leaked to the torrent sites, you will find that this does not stop them from seeing it in the theater. When will the studios realize that leaked films create demand, and most pirates still want to see a film in all its theatrical glory. I know it’s hard to wrap your brain around, but I think pirates are less of an enemy than one would suspect.
Call it a conspiracy theory but I think somebody in the production department was a Watchmen fan and ahh….. well you know Fox with the lawsuit and all.
That will learn them to stop making shitty movies
I’m not 100% convinced this will be a bad thing for Fox. They’ve been doing a heavy amount of work trying to alleviate fear that this movie is a stinker. If they actually believe in the product, and if the movie doesn’t suck, this will build buzz.
Of course, the odds that the movie doesn’t suck are slim…
Helen Hill your post is hilarious. No studio movie would take up 1 terabye of hard drive space. You do realize thats 1000 Gigabytes right? I’m assuming your over a certain age because you obviously don’t understand how advanced software tools have become. The process you saying would take 1 hour could do in 10 minutes.
This is the risk you take when all post production is done digitally. It is a lot harder to pirate strips of film. A one tera-byte hard drive is peanuts and easy to transfer from one to another. Its also very small. Just one click and you have a copy. Only takes a minute or two.
All digitally daillies and digital work prints could and should be done at a much lower quality level until the final cut edit. The final cut product should be done the old fashioned way, the way Spielberg still does it. Cutting and splicing celluloid film. Btw this is the way they did the Dark Knight. The old fashioned way. They made an optical print off the original camera negative. Cut and spliced the film.
When you invest hundreds of millions of dollars, it make sense. NEVER make a high quality digital copy until you release the Blu-Ray disk. Project film with a film projector. Old school.
Then you only have to worry about in theater piracy….
This really couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of people. There’s been panic at the studio forever about this film and if it is as bad as the torrent sites are saying, then a B.O. catastrophe is just another special karmic gift awaiting these a$$holes.
I actually find the reaction by the so-called “geeks” to this news much more fascinating than the news itself. If one ventures to the comments sections of AICN or HitFix and others, there seems to be a majority of people speaking out in the vein of “instant karma’s gonna get you”. That, more than anything else, would worry me as an executive, for it shows how much venom (rightfully or wrongly, that is a value judgement) is directed against Fox and its genre products by the people who should be their core audience.
It’s not the actual leak that Fox has to worry about.
It’s the moment some of those aggregators having downloaded the movie come out and state “it is horrible. Save your money. Don’t see it in the theaters”.
That could then be a disaster, since the movie’s core consumer group is incredibly webby, and they don’t like to be screwed with. The more core-centric a genre film is, the less the ability to play outside its core is (Watchmen, The Spirit, Punisher War Zone)… as opposed to movies that attract a wider potential audience, where it was proven without a shadow of a doubt that leaking a DVD Screener (Gran Torino) or a foreign DVD copy (Taken) had no effect on box office performance within the United States.
But that is the inherent danger of producing a product that is designed to appeal largely to this kind of an audience, you live by them… and they can kill you.
I watched the movie earlier today and I enjoyed it very much. The in-production issues like rough meshes, wires, coordinate points on greenscreens make it an even more interesting watch to get a glimpse of what’s going on behind the scenes. This has a real special charme to it, knowing it is only interim and will be fixed in the final version of the picture. (Charming example: circles around the huge fingernails of the lurking wolfman with the added note “claws growing”.)
Inspite of it being a raw diamond with unfinished special fx, I liked it very much and can’t wait for it to hit the theatres.
While I haven’t seen the pirated copy, I agree with Richard and Mizzela. The people who would download the rough copy would still see it in the theater BUT the early footage/trailers look like an utter disaster and this copy could lead to some terrible word of mouth.
At least the people at Fox will not have an scapegoat if this film does indeed disappoint at the box office.
While I haven’t seen the pirated copy, I agree with Richard and Mizzela. The people who would download the rough copy would still see it in the theater BUT the early footage/trailers look like an utter disaster and this copy could lead to some terrible word of mouth.
At least the people at Fox will have a scapegoat if this film does indeed disappoint at the box office.
This is unfortunate, but FOX deserves it. They muscled their way to get rights to Watchmen, and this is their payback.
There is such a difference between the finished product and a rough working copy, it’s painfully obvious.
Even given the opportunity, I wouldn’t watch a rough cut. I’d much rather get the finished product with all the shiny bells and whistles.
I hope they catch the people responsible for this, and yes, I agree with another poster that it’s probably an inside job.
It’s hard to predict what, if any, damage this will cause.
It’s possible to imagine, even, that fanboys who would have stayed away from a stinker like this or “Catwoman” will now be motivated to go in order to see what changes were made and feel insider-y.
They used to release soundtrack albums to musicals months ahead of the film to familiarize the audience with the songs. I get that this isn’t the identical situation, but a similar concept could conceivably goose attendance here too.
No sane company would intentionally perform this kind of experiment to find out, but now that one is upon us it’s helpful to keep in mind that doom is only one of the possible outcomes.
Minella,
Way to be proud of being a thief!
Why should we care what your opinion is of the film? You’re a douche.
Whoever leaked this is a scumbag of the highest order.
This leak came from Post Production right on the Fox Lot. Start the witch hunt there. There will be blood.
I love the “organized crime” scare tactic. Yes, when it comes to DVD priacy, sure. But not torrents. That’s laughable — there’s no money in them!
Best as I can tell, toughness should begin with FOX’s own internal security protocols. They were lax in keeping this from happening. This doesn’t excuse the blatantly illegal activites of the person who stole this material, but do we shed a tear for the person who leaves large piles of money on their front lawn and then screams in shock when someone walks away with it? No. FOX got a pretty harsh lesson taught to them today. Wake up, Hollywood.
Hey Helen of Hill
This happened at post, Probably some intern who got their chance to work on editing this. Damn, some post house is GOING TO LOSE a multimillion dollar contract ($$$), and some dufuss FUBAR is GOING TO SEE some prison time…
Dumb, just dumb.
Bad press is good press.
This is free advertisement.
We will never know the truth for how this “leak” occurred. Perhaps it was to give the production more money and more time to spend on FX, if the studio did not want to spend more money someone may have released it early to make a point and force the budget increase.
We will never know the whole truth. Meanwhile someone will be arrested and will serve as a fall guy. Reality is that few people would not have copied or uploaded a DVD left around with a copy of the movie on it. Perhaps it was “thrown out” accidentally. Who knows.
Rough cuts are distributed on DVD by the dozens to the filmmakers, producers, and execs. These can end up lost or tossed (or easily stolen). No doubt this was one copy that got astray and was uploaded by someone not associated with the movie at all.
This is really sad cos like someone else said above, it hurts everyone involved in making the movie
What are they worried about? Don’t they know that internet streaming is still in its infancy and can’t possibly cut into traditional media?
Or maybe they just don’t like having their stuff on the internet without getting paid for it…
That’s right my FBI boys will find the criminals who did this. But don’t we have much more important things to investigate like finding and stopping terrorists? Guess not. That’s Jack Bauer’s job. Of course if somebody ever put an episode of 24 on the web before air date we’d send our own Jack Bauer to catch him and torture him.
Video piracy is obviously a very serious matter. And anyone who does this is as guilty of stealing as Bernie Madoff (and should get the cell next to his while they wait for Federal sentencing).
Given the sophistication of the audience, I doubt a grainy, f/x-less, extremely low-rez version of a partial film on a tiny YouTube-like screen will really cause “incalculable” damage to the box office. (The fans know the franchise and know the incredibly high quality of the finished product, so a viewing of some crappy footage will not make them say: “I’ve seen the film so I don’t need to pay for it.” More likely: “I can’t wait to see the pristine, finished product on an 80 foot wide digital screen.”)
Wait a minute….could this actually be part of a brilliant Fox marketing campaign? I think we may be on to something.
This film has been a disaster from the get-go. First, there was little to no acknowledgement that fans didn’t like X-Men 3. Then it was announced as a “prequel” which just seems like a boring idea. Then they cast Liev Schrieber as Sabertooth which is completely inexplicable. Then there were all these rumors about re-shoots and story problems. Then they released the trailer only in theaters so 80% saw bootleg versions of it on youtube: that ridiculous shot of Wolvie flying through the air towards a helicopter made us watching in the office laugh hysterically. Then all sorts of issues have been talked about regarding other characters like Deadpool and Gambit — characters people love reduced to afterthought intros on-screen in this movie. Then Hugh Jackman, “tough guy” Wolverine, sang and danced his way through a terrible Oscar night. And now, finally, this.
I really appreciate that Marvel is excited about their characters but I really, really wish they would be more thoughtful about their films instead of rushing them into production like a cash cow machine. When Warner Brothers gave Christopher Nolan the freedom, resources and time to pursue a vision, it paid off. It brought a lot of excitment to the genre. It elevated people’s expectations of what these movies could be like and raised the quality bar for comic book movies: the old hokey formulas aren’t going to cut it anymore. I think Marvel and Fox are about to learn a painful and financially difficult message from all of this. Do something cool instead of trying to do a two-hour toy commercial.
There is only one thief and that would be the Fox insider who stole it and placed it out in the public domain for anyone to pick up like finding a penny on the sidewalk.
It happened in post?! Oh shit…
Well, I guess those things happen when you let go/drive away those with expertise and let burger salesmen run the place…
Still, feel bad for all who worked on the film. It’s not right…
methinks the unspeakably cringe-worthy trailer was the far more destructive leak.
hate to say this as i don’t condone piracy, but if this movie’s as bad as people say, then maybe the pirates will force studios to actually focus on making good films without the safety net of knowing they can bombard the public with enough TV ads to force shitty sequels down aud’s throats. (or maybe they’ll just blame it on torrent and not the dearth of creativity.)
We will never know the truth for how this “leak” occurred. Perhaps it was to give the production more money and more time to spend on FX…
Heh. Nothing, and I do mean nothing, would surprise me. But, there are many, more probable causes.
As for the truth about IP and piracy – you are correct, we will never know all of it, but here’s a good start:
Me thinks it was Dr. Doom who took the tape…
payback for so many bad X-Men movies…
Hollywood’s biggest problem isn’t that new tech somehow stole their movie. It’s that customers end up paying $14 to sit and be tortured by their features. That’s why the new tech, ad supported free media will soon take the studios down.
Everything comes around. This is just that after that crap they pulled with Warner Brothers on Watchmen.
Let me just start by saying, “Ben,” you’re a tool. You have no idea what you’re talking about, yet spout on like you’re the burning bush of inside knowledge.
1) For Fox (meaning compared to other films), this film has hardly been a disaster from the get-go, the only controversy at teh start was Hugh Jackman pushing for a director who had never done a big film like this.
2) What kind of acknowledgement would you expect a studio to make on a film that grossed $460 million? We’re sorry we hired a hack like Brett Ratner, but thanks for your money and we’ll make it up to you next time?
3) Then it was announced as a “prequel” which just seems like a boring idea…YOU’RE A TOOL…DID I SAY THAT ALREADY?
4) Then they cast Liev Schrieber as Sabertooth which is completely inexplicable. WHY, BECAUSE HE’S REALLY NOT 6′11 IN REAL LIFE?
5) Then there were all these rumors about re-shoots and story problems. ONE SET OF PICK UP SHOTS AND A COUPLE ADDED SCENES/RE-SHOOTS…PAR FOR THE COURSE ON A BIG SUMMER MOVIE LIKE THIS.
6) Then they released the trailer only in theaters so 80% saw bootleg versions of it on youtube: that ridiculous shot of Wolvie flying through the air towards a helicopter made us watching in the office laugh hysterically. THAT SHOT MAY BE THE ONLY THING I AGREE WITH YOU ON, BUT WHO CARES THAT THEY SHOWED THE TRAILER INITIALLY IN THEATERS….OH MY, SHOWING A TRAILER IN A THEATER FIRST, THAT’S SO CONTROVERSIAL….
7) I’M DONE, YOU BORE ME AND I HATE MYSELF FOR EVEN RESPONDING TO SUCH A TOOL
And their HR department appears dedicated to protecting and covering for executives – seems their only job.
this is correct and Fox in general is a garbage heap of incompetence and personality disorders. the cheap and heavy-handed approach to everything is going to bite tom rothman in his pasty ass some day soon, hopefully this will hasten the fall (but i guess with that new promotion we’ll have to wait a bit longer)
I know a handful of people who’ve seen it online and they said it was “worse than Supergirl”. Oy!
At this stage, it could be a number of places. The trailer house, the mixing stage, the composer’s nanny, the post facility, the fx lab, the conform guys. It could also be an overzealous exec with a copy of the DVD showing it to his stoned buddies on a Saturday night partay! Without onscreen DVD coding, which pirates blur out for the obvious reasons, it will never be disKcovered.
Workprints are fun! I plan on watching mine tonight!
It’s funny because this is much more about FOX putting the lid on ‘bad word of mouth’ than it is about illegal piracy of a movie.
That said, in a month it will be all moot so why would someone take the risk? Kids.
Well, Mizzela and others, I KNOW what a terabyte is. Don’t be condescending. Burning a DVD on a laptop with a 1 terabyte external drive was the scenario I was envisioning, and that takes time on a laptop.
Unless you have an uber-supercomputer-laptop, you can’t do that in minutes. It may be true that a state of the art netowrk backbone can move the data in minutes, but that would or SHOULD be noticed by those who monitor the network outbound traffic. If not, someone is NOT doing their job.
But, as stated earlier by others here, neither of those scenarios is likely. It is more likely a rough cut DVD of the raw footage was left lying around in post and someone “kyped” it…
Smuggling out an encrypted, encoded hard drive, even at Fox would be too risky. It was either a DVD or a handy pocket flash drive. But copying files to an USB external flash drive would or SHOULD have been recorded too as a transaction.
Nope, the most likely scenario is a DVD was “kyped” that was left out…
I love it when kids have to show off…
Helen Hill is right. You do need a terabyte sized hard drive for editing. The difference is that there are many different versions of the movie on one drive. Go watch a movie and watch how many camera angles there are in any given flick. I am willing to bet that an average movie has over 1,000 takes. In post production, the job of the director is to work with the folks at editing with the goal of turning those over 1,000 takes into the finished product.
What happened here is that pirated release was put on DVD where the original purpose was to hold a meeting among the editors to suggest what changes should be made to the movie. This likely puts this copy of the film release at or around New Years 2009. Keeping in mind that the master copy of the film is on a 1 TB hard drive, it wouldn’t be hard to miss a copy that was burned to DVD in early January or late December. This means that the post-production people forgot about this DVD copy to where it became lost until a tour guide likely found it, and decided to show his find to his friends last night. One of those friends sent out an e-mail showing where you can see the flick online to the point that it is picked up as news at AICN, HitFix, and this blog.
In other words, this version isn’t the version that exists today. The version that exists today is the 98% complete project where there will be a final edit for time only. Following that, the final version will be sent to distribution where they will print the film and send over 8,000 prints to theaters worldwide.
As for who did release the pirated version of the film, count out anyone associated with the production including any intern. If the executive producer wanted any portion of the film released, they would have done so.
To Dorothy, I call bullshit. I think just by sake it was pirated, the natural impulse is to say it is not a good movie. I watched it online and while it was frustrating as hell because effects weren’t there and you could tell things needed to be edited, I thought it was a thoughtful and deft execution of a comic book movie. I think Dark Knight raised the bar and this propels the adaptation of comic book movies further. Thank god, this wasn’t a Fantastic Four movie, rather it is really good and I think will appeal to more than just the diehard fans. I’m tire of the lazy haters who react that it’s bad just because it’s expected. All that said, I want to see the finished film before I make a final case, but from what I’ve seen, Hugh and Gavin Hood are the real deals.
I really hate to think that bad word of mouth from this leak will cause lower BO for ‘Wolverine’ which will lead to some good people I know from the profitable section of Fox lose their jobs. Our budgets keep getting slashed and profit projections stay the same to cover for the motion picture side and it’s getting ridiculous.
Time to take drastic measure, time to bring post contractors onto the Pico Lot so they can be babysat like everyone else. They can get some of the “Red Coats” from Staples Center to work security.
I would just like to say to anybody who says “Fox deserves it for Watchmen” that you’re an idiot. Warner Bros made a movie they didn’t have a clear chain of title to, it’s a very cut and dry case and a judge agreed. Second, anybody who thinks “yeah, stick it to Fox, they’re a big corporation and they’re run by assholes” I’d like to say that you’re an idiot. Whatever your feelings are about Fox, this affects many more people than just the corporate honchos. It affects the filmmaker, the entire crew, the working plebeians who scratch out a living as assistants, below the line crew, all the way up the distribution chain. This is the equivalent of a multi-million dollar THEFT and if this shit keeps happening they’re going to stop making these movies and then all of us who are lucky enough to make a living in the film business are going to be fucked. I hope they catch whoever did this and hope that selfish prick rots in jail.
fuck fox, I’ll be comparing this and the final cinema version for educational purposes.
thanks for the material idiots.
you know what – I just watched it. and it was really unexpectedly good. A few cheesy moments etc – but I think it was better than the last xmen movie for sure.
So honestly while I’m no fan of the pablum Fox often puts out in this case they really have nothing to worry about.
There are a few missing plate shots, audio cues and ADR but overall the timing is mostly there. It was quite watchable.
I feel your pain, Frustrated, kinda…
Helen-
You’re actually pretty wrong about how tricky the encoding process would be. Let’s say it’s “1TB” (I doubt it, but whatever). Using ghost or any other similar clone technology, the time it would take to clone a 1TB HDD is around 1-2hrs, tops. Actually, I timed that this morning, using a 1TB->1.5TB drive. So, someone does it, takes cloned drive home, and they can work on their own convenience at changing it to 720p or DVD resolution or whatever. Time involved in that may be a couple hours, but it’s not days & days. Hell, dependant on how they wanted to do it (or did it) realtime encoding is absolutely possible using a mid-level nothing box. Hell, I’ve re-encoded home movies that were 3h+ at 720P in less then 40 minutes. And I’m not running a “Super Computer”.
Odds are, someone got a hard drive with the digital, cloned it, and then converted. If they were a real d*ouche, they could just clone the HDD with the master in the background using anything like Acronis or whatever.
As to the thoughts, considering X3 did great box office, I’m not sure what people want the studio to say. Except I’ll say it:
X3: The Last Stand – $461M Global
The Watchmen: Barely breaks $100M US domestic; will likely close around $115/$120
SCOREBOARD. That’s what Fox is thinking. SCOREBOARD.
I know it would not be the FX houses. they never get handed a full copy of the movie unless they are the only ones working on the film. even then it’s still just sequences. i wouldn’t download this because the movie doesn’t look good. no point in wasting my internet time on that when i don’t expect to see it in theaters.
So glad the FBI is concentrating on such important issues!
I don’t understand why anyone would want to watch an incomplete version of the film… That just ruins the experience when the real version is out! It’s like watching those 5 minute preview trailers that give way too much info, so that when you watch the movie, there is little suspense or tension since you already know what’s coming.
I don’t even watch trailers anymore because they always include all the best parts, which are best viewed in context with the rest of the film.
if its on the net and i can download it i will.
most of the movies are tripe anyway and not worth the price of a ticket…
no love lost here and i got my copy already.
Looks like their special effects people have some explaining to do..
Pathetic. The world economy is crashing and
all you can think about is a stupid flick.
Yesterday’s garbage, no power to endure
as “Casablanca”. Go read a book.
Who cares. Just a crap movie.
It’s the money. Don’t forget this.
All of a sudden geek sites like “Ain’t It Cool” and “ComingSoon.Net” have taken this holier-than-thou attitude not to ‘leak’ the film, and yet over the years, these guys, aside from blindly copying trade news items as their own, have taken to posting script sides, and ’spy’ photos illegally taken on set.
When will the studios learn that these geeks have NO power when it comes to swaying audiences in favor or against a film.
Indeed, their pathetic ‘boycott’ of this year’s Oscars resulted in a ratings boost for the TV event.
Hell, latinoreview.com got a copy of the “Wolverine” screenplay before it went into production and happily posted it online.
It seems the threat of serious criminal consequences is the only way to keep all these guys in line and let them go back to their wetdream fantasies over the latest gore/torture/misogynist features.
Wake up studios, these guys are all hacks and nobody gives a hoot about their sites.
Stop charging ridiculous amounts to take our families to see a movie and it will become a national pasttime again. Movies are being pirated because of greed…plain and simple. Stop paying actors ridiculous contract amounts, stop charging vendors ridiculous distribution amounts, and stop guaging the American family. We will come back to the moves again because it used to be fun. Spending $100 for a movie, sodas, snacks and the like for a family of four is not fun…it’s painful. JUST STOP IT AND WE”LL STOP STEALING YOUR PRECIOUS MOVIES OFF THE INTERNET!!! A-HOLES!!!
A couple of quick things:
All this discussion about how quickly someone could burn an encrypted DVD on a 1TB drive is beside the point considering that executives routinely take DVDs home to screen. For all we know, it wasn’t someone in post with a grudge who uploaded the film; it was some executive’s teenage son who got into a spat with his dad and wanted to get a little revenge.
As for the numbers of downloads that are being reported, they’re much too low. I checked a torrent site last night and there were over 250,000 people downloading it. On another site this morning I counted another 200,000. This film has easily been downloaded a million times. It’s hard for me to believe that a million views won’t have some impact on the box office.
And finally, for all the people saying that downloaders should be condemned — grow up and step into the real world. Studio marketing departments spend tens of millions of dollars trying to convince the audience that they absolutely MUST see a movie as soon as possible (meaning opening weekend). In this case, ASAP was much earlier than the studio planned. If you build a Pavlovian response into the audience to chase after your bone as soon as they spot it, you can’t be shocked when they do exactly that.
And as far as the crime angle goes, the only people allowed to comment on that are the ones who waited until they were 21 to have a drink and never drove over the speed limit.
lol @ incalculable damage. Please. It’s still going to make an absolute killing, leaks or not.
Taken was leaked a while before the US release, and they said it was going to do terribly as a result. Guess what movie did absolutely incredibly in the box office. Yeah, Taken.
Take the fear-mongering elsewhere.
I’m glad it leaked. Fuck you, Fox.
{smells publicity stunt for B movie}
The funny thing is that nothing can prove that movies are affected by the piracy… IN FACT!!! They are selling more than ever now while music industry with big labels are dying..
So sick of empty propaganda based on some rich fat guy’s words..
Most cooperators on a big budget movie (like the composers for instance) get a black and white, grainy, highly watermarked copy of the film. So it has to be someone from editing.
Ok, so take the bootleg and add it as a special-edition bonus DVD. Make some of the $$$ back, save people the terabyte (LOL) of storage on their hard drives. I, for one, would buy it
yup, saw the movie —– streamed it, didn’t download it. Thought it was GREAT. Watched it twice. Not really an XMEN fanboy or anything. Just really enjoyed it. Too few movies are worth my $10 (or the other $30 I have to spend to take the family) for the ticket. This one is. I will most definitly be spending $40 on or about May 1st. Don’t worry Fox will make money on this. PS: Fox please don’t change your security, I’m really enjoying getting to decide whether or not to spend my money on a movie BEFORE I go see it and find out it’s a big piece of crap.
Watchman sucked btw. (Yeah, I streamed it from an online site, I wouldn’t be bothered to download that piece of crap).
Evidently the movie theaters want you to pay first to find out a movie is bad. It is not fair that you find out this movie stinks for free.
Second, why do we insist on using the premise that every download results in lost theater ticket sales?
I am a prime example.
I have always viewed relatively few movies at theaters because most of what hollywood produces is mindless junk.
I have downloaded some movies lately THAT NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS WOULD I HAVE PAID TO SEE IN A THEATER OR RENTED ON DVD. Some I watched because I was bored–some I deleted before even watching. Some I stopped watching 10 minutes into the movie because they were just soooooo bad!!
We all know though that my few downloads however will be added to the totally bogus “lost revenue” totals produced as piracy propaganda by the studios.
Just the facts. The studios and the RIAA lie to make their case.
I am not justifying piracy I am just saying the MPAA and RIAA are lying about the facts so does that not make both parties equally dishonest?
I mean really, you don’t like what someone is doing so you can lie about the facts and that is justified?
Don’t think so.
I believe that this piracy leak is a red herring. Fox knows the movie is bad and is just trying to cover all bases. They know leaking an green screen copy of the workprint and then claiming to be the aggrieved parties will divert attention away from them and increase their box office revenue in the end. Fox executives know how to sell “lemonade” in these fiscally uncertain times….gotta watch those stock margins and keep your bottom line in the black. Keep it movin’ Fox ,I’m not buying your story or a ticket.
All this panic about hurt revenues is nonsense.
If anything, the publicity of this will cause even better box office receipts.
If it weren’t for the fact the FBI was called in, I would almost think this leak was done on purpose.
joe b, I have to agree, I’ve been in business 33+ and the piracy thing is getting out of hand.
the cost maybe higher but, you have more control were the film is.
when you start passing copies to every producer/studio pub dept, this is what happens.
do it the old way, director/editorial/picture is locked.
I pirate, therefore I arrr.. Assholes who speak against people downloading movies obviously like taking it in the rear from the major production companies. Who really gives a shit about actors and producers losing money? Make those assholes take a paycut
On Howard Stern today, a caller happily declared that he had sent the talk show host a copy of Wolverine, and proceeded to give a short review of the movie. Stern said he would watch it and give it a review himself on the air.
i wouldn’t doubt the studio released the print itself- in lieu of the upcoming hearing on combatting internet piracy… they saw the movie sucked, released it in hopes it would damage box office sales in leverage for better future distributing percentages.
people are evil.
Most of the people who pirate that would never see it in the theater anwyays. It’s like the water company claiming they’re losing revenue due to rain.
According to the studios, none of the pictures they make even the ones that gross close to a billion dollars make any money so they do not have pay royalty agreements.
I have no sympathy for there crooked accounting and my bet is that this was intentionally released to allow them to pass more unconstitutional legislation in Congress that allows more monopoly control on there Copyrights.
When is the DOJ going to investigate their studio accounting techniques that allow them to stiff the talent that makes their movies in the first place?
Fox has been on the front of trying to control the software and hardware of machines that play their content in the home. They will not be happy until they control everything we watch or see on TV or in the movies. If you believe the phony figures that the MPAA publish about their losses, I have some land for sale in a swamp land. Piracy in the home is not the problem, it is the criminal cartels in
China that hurt them in the Asian market. Yet they have forced Microsoft and Hardware vendors to implement copy protection schemes the ruin the theater experience and drive up the costs of everything for the home theatre consumer.
Maybe if they paid the writers and actors their percentages, they would not have employees on the inside trying to hurt the company.
Yeah, it’s a publicity stunt, good one too. Everybody gets hyped, Wolverine is popular, take it as a compliment and enjoy the ride!!!
FWIW. the editorial for wolverine is on the fox lot. the rip was clearly made from a DVD dupe that was most likely made for an executive, as ALL other digital asserts at fox have some sort of burn in. this was probably a one off that got stolen either out of the editing suite or most likely from one the (many many) producers who wanted to be kept in the loop but were too busy to come in and watch it. my guess is it was made for rothman which would explain the lack of burn in.
having worked at fox, I know they actually do have quite a bit of security associated with this kind of thing and a few years back there was even an FBI guy stationed on the lot. there was another big piracy scandal some time ago and it was found that someone at lightning dubs made the upload. as a result all transfers are now done in house and my guess is from this point on no active fox film will ever be allowed to make a dvd again of a movie, even for in house use, which in itself isn’t such a bad thing as pix assistants won’t have to stay late because some one higher up the food chain is too ‘busy’ to walk across the lot.
After being thoroughly insulted by X-Men III, myself and ALL of the hard-core action comic friends I know have sworn off watching ANYTHING Fox puts out regarding X-MEN until the current brain-dead generation running Fox into the ground leaves.
On another note, having seen the latest trailor on Wolverine, I think they should have given Jackman some MGM-esque musical scenes to accompany what is obviously a VERY bad comedy…
What kind of dufus would want to see this leaked copy anyway? Cant you little boys have some patience and wait for the real movie?
If this movie is twice as good as X-Men: The Last Stand, it will still be total garbage.
I love Hugh Jackman but the X-Men movie franchise is dead.
Who wants to spend three hours downloading crap like this?
I don’t think this is a big deal at all. It’s not even a good copy of the final film and most people that would want to watch it in theaters will not watch this piece of crap version. Also I think this could generate some good word of mouth and actually get more people excited about the movie.
They saw the crap version, now they want to see the good one.
Lol!! Serves the studio(s) right for making such pieces of crap. They way I see it, someone was considerate enough to let the public get a sneak peak at yet another awful movie so we don’t have to waste our money on it when it comes out on the big screen. I applaud whoever you are because you just saved me $10; unlike the $10 I wasted on the shittiest movie of the year, The Watchmen. I could only wish this would happen on every show so I could save my money rather than waste it on the equivalent to shit.
You guys who download pirated movies are total a-holes. Immature little boys who just can’t wait for the movies to come out our or are too cheap to pay like the rest of us. Since most of you live in your mothers’ basement, you should be able to afford to get outside with other human beings and see a movie at the theaters. Bunch of Quasimodo, nerd boy, Una-Bombers. Pathetic.
I think they did it on purpose. IRONIC how this happens before there’s hearing to discuss it? More like TIMELY. I think they allowed this copy to be distributed so that they have a scapegoat-situation and can try to ‘prove’ how pirating hurts their bottom line.
That’s how/why they got such a crappy version ‘leaked.’ It won’t hurt box office sales in the least, and they know it, if it’s missing all the special effects, music, etc. But many people will BELIEVE that it has hurt their revenue, even though it WON’T, and they just want to make an example out of pirates. There’s no way they would have allowed an almost fully-complete version to get leaked.
Otherwise, how would the pirate have gotten ahold of this semi-finished copy? Do they rent these out at Blockbuster now? NO. Only the movie studios have them. Therefore, only the movie studios could have posted it.
Nice try, but you’re not fooling anyone.
wouldn it be cool if in the long run, it would come to a point where its not economic at all to produce movies. And all movies had to be funded beforehand by the public.
For an example, you could donate money (an amount big as the cost for going to the cinema) so the next film by your favorite director is possible to be made.
i don’t see a problem.
why pay outrageous amounts of money for crappy movies when they’re available for free?
after all, everyone in hollywood — from the overpaid, pampered gazillionaire actors to the lowly anti-corporate makeup artists — constantly whines about how evil capitalism is.
now let’s see how these die-hard leftists like it when their “work” is devalued.
Everything will work out fine. The X-men fans will still flock to see their super-hero idol pre-release and sour-commentary aside.
It’s a movie!!!!
These are not war plans. . . geez hollywierd – get over yourself.
There is a fairly new law on the books that allows the FBI to trace any claim of illegal downloading activity that is posted on the Internet to be traced to its source and prosecuted.
So those of you who have commented upon the content of this unreleased film can expect a visit fairly soon, whether or not you are bluffing about what you have done.
This is not going to do any harm to the box office performance of the film unless it’s so bad that word gets around.
Consider who made the major donations to various political campaigns, then consider who will get the most attention.
Biden the ‘copyright czar’ (vomit) and then all the RIAA lawyers freshly installed into the J Dept.
I doubt we’d be talking about an FBI manhunt if a film print of a major movie was leaked 20-30 years ago. The corporatists are getting the special treatment that they *pay for*.
Free Software and Networks Forever!
“Incalulable damage” huh? Hardly. Multiply the number of downloads X two, multiplied by the per viewer profit margin of the Studio. This number would result in a gross over-approximation of damages because anyone who takes the time to download a torrent of a pre-release movie is doing so because he/she wants to see it, and will likely see it AGAIN upon authorized release.
The author’s pro-studio bias is oozing in this piece. Don’t throw around the term “incalculable damage” if you don’t know that the hell you are talking about.
JH
The movie was great, I can’t wait to see in in the theater with special effects.
idiots, if they value there work, why not encrypt the data so a key is required to make it anything usable. Give the key to a few people and hold them responsible. If we can’t protect that, how are we suppose to prevent identity theft. Live and learn lesson.
After watching the film, rumor has it the “fanboys” are asking for their terrabytes back…
I admit I don’t expect much from this new addition to the X-Men franchise but I still have respect to wait and see the movie. Never over look post-production.
Fucking pathetic how thieves/pirates justify their actions on this site…
‘I saw the stolen version, and I’ll definitely pay to see it now in the theater. But I don’t condone piracy.’ – wow, that’s so honorable of you! Can I steal YOUR property (anonymously of course) and promise to pay for it later?
And some of you are in the industry too, that’s even worse. And don’t give me some crap about how you’re sticking it to the studios or ‘information wants to be free.’ You’d just as quickly rip off an independent filmmaker like myself. You know it’s true. Why? Because you’re a thief. Once a crook always a crook.
And for the moron/thief who said:
“Evidently the movie theaters want you to pay first to find out a movie is bad. It is not fair that you find out this movie stinks for free.”
That’s what film critics and blogs are for! Unbelievable.
I have not seen any of the X-Men movies myself so I don’t have any idea what the movie is really about. However, with 4th installment films one can generally assume that the plot and story line are usually not as good as the 1st. Very few sequels actually build upon the original, take for example the Godfather II as an exception. Godfather III ended up being a flop. Most three-quels and four-quels are duds. I actually think people will turn out more just to see if the FX and sound really are better then the pirated version as FOX claims.
Well, I haven´t seen it and will go to see it to the theatre. Who would want to watch an unfinished movie anyway? It´s just wrong and insults everyone working on it – not just those “expensive actors” or whatever, but everybody from director to the lowest assistant.
I am not saying I never downloaded anything but those were finished things which, when I liked, bought on DVD anyway.
All those annoying and angry hardcore fans will be in the first row on opening weekend because they are just too curious to see the finished version. But in between, they can do a lots of damage for their own shame. And to all those fox haters who are spitting on Fox bc of Watchmen – Fox had full right to do this, you just can´t admit it.
How can you even rate an unfinished movie? It´s like to rate half-painted picture!
Why would organized crime be involved in giving away something for free?
“The studio is understandably in a panic. With the film opening on May 1st, this leak could cause incalculable damage to the box office of the latest in the valuable X-Men franchise.”
Baloney, they probably leaked it themselves as a publicity stunt………
“The studio must find out who did this and punish him/her/them to the full extent of the law. ”
Well………then they better go buy a huge mirror……
I will wager that it was an executive’s kid or family member who did it either as a prank or for some money. So this will be a big nothing in the end as in awww too bad.
Who cares?? Screw the big companies. It’s their turn to take it up the ying yang.
honestly, i dont care if it was leaked, or what anyone thinks of the flick. i can NOT wait to see this film in theaters, on the big screen! i love wolverine and the xmen – AND hugh jackman! im gonna love it for what it is!
This is all Barak Obama’s fault. Wait, no, it’s Rush Limbaugh’s fault.
I’m tired of the studios and record companies using our law enforcement agencies and courts as their own private little army. Since it’s ultimately their fault this movie was leaked they should hire a private security firm to investigate this and then sue the jerk who leaked the movie for the money. The FBI should have much more important matters to attend to than ensuring Fox stays in the black.
This is awesome since Fox took Warner Bros. to court to try to retrieve Watchmen rights and almost blocked the release of Watchmen. Hugh Jackman rules though.
Rob – you don’t get it. But if I rearrange your statements you look like you do:
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I have always viewed relatively few movies at theaters because most of what hollywood produces is mindless junk.
I mean really, you don’t like what someone is doing so you can lie about the facts and that is justified?
I am a prime example.
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You ARE justifying piracy.
I watched it last night, and without the special effects, was lame. I didn’t even finish it, and I had the scene “Devise” rls. I’ve never paid for “pirated” movies, or sold them, or even shared them for that matter. The mob is selling copies of movies, okay. Waste of resources on those looking to prosecute. Anyone who enjoys a movie will head to the movies/cinema to enjoy it, or wait for a true proper Blue-Ray/HD
When people say a movie wasn’t good, citing box office numbers doesn’t mean anything.
X3 was a major disappointment for most moviegoers. Spiderman 3 also was lousy (Sam Raimi’s now explaining why it turned out so bad) yet that made a ton of money. The Star Wars prequels, Indy 4, etc.
I’m happy that the studios made money but I’d be happier if they delivered some quality blockbusters rather than just investing in marketing franchises with built-in audiences.
This is horrific, but there is a solution that would allow 20th Century Fox to recoup it’s losses. It is simple and increasingly common. Two little words: 1)Federal 2)Bailout
I am a professional magician and FOX did a LOT of damege to my industry with their expose series. good to see someone ruining something for them for a change
Joe Mama – plenty of people…
Half of you douchebags want to tear down the film. If you don’t like it, don’t watch it. What is it about the internet that fools you people in to thinking we care about your opinion on anything? STFU and get back in your hole.
Secondly, this is a dvd quality screener. You can watch it on your HDTV so it’s not like it’s some shitty iphone video. If you think that, then clearly you don’t know shit and you should see my first point.
Thirdly, piracy isn’t going to hurt this film in the least. This whole idea of piracy that people have in their head is just your typical fear of what they don’t understand.
The only thing the pirates really care about is bragging rights over other pirates. That is the ONLY reason they even bother! Who did it first, who did it best – this is what they care about.
The problem is that street level sellers will slap this on a dvd, make their own cover and walk around with a duffel bag trying to sell it for $10.
Either way, most people don’t buy dvd’s off the street and many people still have no idea how to download a menu let alone a film.
Piracy is the new Y2K – meaningless at the end of the day.
The pirates are doing Hugh Jackman a favor since it is now against Obama’s law to be rich. The lost revnue in the theaters will be a blessing to him.
Don’t you know anything about corrupt fox??
Ofcourse they released it intentionally. They wanted to put out the rough copy so when Howard Berman, chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee assesses the impact of this, They can ram it down there throats. Think about it. This isn’t the first time a fox movie gets leaked online, happens all the time and they lose money. So they intentionally leaked this one out, sooner then average, knowing that it won’t hurt sales because its a blockbuster that they already know is a great movie that will generate millions. They figure one sacrifice is worth it if they can get it to stop for good.
I’m waiting for the new terminator movie anyway.
Disgusted at the pirating/bootlegging thieves who refuse to pay for items that they’re not entitled too. Slime.
Hunt down the thieves and put them in prison. If they are in another country and that country will not cooperate then do not send any more films or DVDs to that country. Do not import any more media from that country. Blacklist that country from the Academy Awards and all other film events. There will be action taken. Have the actors union get involved. It is their paycheck that is being hurt, not mine. I just don’t like thieves.
Well, first off, there is no virus embedded in the movie file. If there was, it would have been removed by the uploader group (apparently they’re called DMG). In addition, any computer-literate user who knows how to operate a Bit Torrent client knows that you can scan incoming files with an antivirus scanner to make sure they’re clean. There have been very few, if any, legitimate Hollywood leaks with viruses embedded in them.
If FOX has “forensically marked” their content, there’s no way in Hell they’re going to be able to track a user downloading the file. A leaked file can only be tracked through an ISP, and FOX doesn’t have authority over them. That’s the MPAA’s job to monitor copyright violations. The most likely scenario is that any copy-protection or identifying marks were blurred out or removed by the uploaders, who then leaked it online for anonymous consumption.
Is it going to have a significant effect on the film’s box office? Somehow, I think that’s doubtful. The people who were already put off by the silly rumors and marketing tactics probably wouldn’t be going to see this anyway. Other films like Taken and Gran Torino have done very solid business when they were leaked weeks (and months) beforehand.
What the uploaders have done is give FOX an unspoken insurance policy. If the film does poorly, FOX can simply chalk the whole experience up to the leak and cut their losses, ignoring filmgoers’ complaints with the hackneyed plot and lame acting. If the film does good box office, they’ll have nothing to worry about.
Part of the problem is the ATTENTION this is getting. If this had just been leaked without mention then only the Torrent Savvy among us would be involved. Now that everybody knows it’s on line people who would have NEVER been into piracy will defiantly have their interest peaked. Sometimes you just have to leave well enough alone and STOP talking about it.
Helen Hill has absolutely no idea what she’s talking about.
i’m a systems engineer and security specialist (computer, network, and physical) with over 10 years experience. i also have about 10 years experience with video encoding and network streaming video. not only that, i have tons of experience with data storage of all types. you name it- i’ve done it.
so i’ll repeat myself- Helen Hill has no idea what she’s talking about. not even the slightest clue.
Isn’t it about time the intellectual property bubble bursts? My house isn’t worth as much as I think it should be, and guess what, Fox? Your movies are not worth buying at $27.99 on Blu Ray.
Price your product more realistically… or don’t.
*shrug*
Clever! FOX is doing an excellent job creating an interest in a film that I had no clue was being produced, but would love to see now that I know!
Kudos to FOX in creating free publicity about it’s movie! Stinker or not…bad news is good news when it comes to publicity.
You guys are so clever! Kisses! xoxoxoxo
I know a lot of the Hollywood types read this blog so I’m hoping the people at Fox see what people are posting here. Tom Rothman are you out there? The fact is Fox has not done a good job developing Marvel content and its something they should be reamed for. What they did with The Fantastic Four franchise is really a disgrace. What they are about to do to the Xmen franchise is just as bad. In the case of Wolverine its obvious to me that the film was over Gavin’s head. It should be obvious to everybody who has seen it or has heard about the production problems. The film is not terrible its just that as a big budget summer release it seemed really mediocre. Checking IMDB I see that David Goyer is slated to direct Magneto for a 2011 release. Earth to Fox thats a terrible idea. After what Nolan did with Batman, What Faveru (I was shocked) did with Ironman, what Bay did with Transformers your shits not gonna fly anymore.
This leak is bigger than they think. The amount of times its been downloaded is well past the millions. Like I said in my post earlier I downloaded the pirated version yesterday morning. I don’t have any reservation in regards to my action because content is all over the net. After the seeing the trailer I defiantly wasn’t going to the theater to watch it. I had to downgrade it to a rental. Unfortunately the studio has done nothing substantial and can do nothing substantial to stop people from getting this film. The same place I got it from yesterday still have working links up. It might be wise to move this film up to April 17th. If they keep the May 1st date then they are gonna get slaughtered because of too many high profile films coming out in May. Moving it up to April 17 would give the studio a 3 week run before Star Trek’s release date. I might be talking out my ass because I don’t know about a movie creating process. I just think they have to proactive.
The frustrating part about reading these posts is the number of people that don’t see anything wrong with stealing. Don’t you have any morals? So many of the younger age people don’t think there’s anything wrong with stealing music or movies online. Nothing justifies stealing someone else’s property. Period!
Big whoop. We viewers certainly don’t have much recourse in the event that we pay to watch a crappy movie in theaters. In this case, it is we who get robbed by the MPAA, yet there are no laws against such practices. Most of today’s movie reviews are too heavily influenced by studio sponsorships to be of any use. This sort of pre-release piracy is a victory for every movie lover out there who sat through a bad movie while chewing on stale overpriced popcorn.
Still not cheap enough–they’d have to pay ME to watch this crap.
Does anyone see anything wrong with someone getting put in jail for 20 years because he screwed with a movie? It’s a MOVIE for Christ’s sake. No one seems to question the ethics of charging $10 for a movie, and another $10 for popcorn and a soda.
I’m just saying I feel bad for the overexcited fan who gets a prison sentence. A studio decides to create a piece of entertainment, and someone who shares it LOSES A GOOD CHUNK OF HIS LIFE. The studio can make money back, but the person cannot reclaim his life.
Imagine a world where a studio actually wanted to build some positive buzz about the film and did things to forward that action.
and now comes fox. lawyers blazing. why bother making movies if you don’t want people to see them?
the suits could have easily authorized some prerelease teasers from the film. maybe even some interesting web content. and kept it coming right up to the day of the real release.
vision–not lawyers–is what made hollywood great.
From a marketing perspective they would have been much more effective leveraging this activity in a viral manner playing up the fact that the end result would be far superior. Instead they waited a few days to see how the poop would land, found no one liked what they saw and decided to use scare tactics to dissuade interest. As much as I want to see this movie (total and utter Marvel fanboy), the movie studio’s response has completely soured me against wishing to see this movie as it confirms in my mind their convictions and faith in the strength of their own product.
Okay. A friend of mine said he saw this unfinished version online. He said the story is pretty good and it was pretty cool but was far from finished. He also said it was coo to see all the behind the scenes special effects tricks.
THIS IS A ROUGH DRAFT. I seriously believe this is a publicity stunt at the least. The other possibility is a direct leak from an employee of one of several special effects studios that likely work on such a film. A movie at this quality, so I’m told, could easily be taken out of an office with a flashdrive. Someones security, pre-employment background checks, and management sucks.
Oh yeah. My friend said he would definitely see it in the theaters now. He also suggested…
“DO NOT SEE THIS VERSION, ITS A WASTE OF YOUR TIME.” [just thought I'd share]
where can i sign up for cliched screenwriting 101?
What/Which law will they(The theives) be prosecuted to the fullest extent of? The law seems to be in disarray, will the law be the absolute law governing the common (Poor) or will it be the law governing the elite, which is vague!!
WHO CARES ANYWAY. The whole x-men sucks anyway. I saw the trailer and to quote Stephen King from his novel Christine “You Can’t Polish a Turd” I hope just Fox exces lose their jobs and not the hard working support people who really do all the hard work
publicity stunt for a bankrupted Hollywood.
Smells like guerrilla marketing from a movie that had its promotion budget slashed.
The “press release” is so contrived.
Next>>
my wife and i took our 3 kids to a movie last tuesday.
5 tickets, 2 popcorns and 4 pops came to: guess!
a hundred and ten dollars!!!!
at those prices the studios are LUCKY if we go to ONE movie a year…
the rest i download and im not ashamed to admit it.
movie tickets are way overpriced, the actors are way overpaid and there are too many middle men with their hands in the cookie jar..
its time to take hollywood down a few pegs.
i certainly don’t feel sorry for them one little bit..
and BTW i got my copy within hours of it leaking..
wouldnt have paid to see it anyway so no money lost on me.
if any hollywood types are reading this:
time to start chopping salaries! cut the costs! people cannot AFFORD your exorbitant prices anymore.
Many of these comments are funny. So, someone that makes more money than you making movies is evil?
As for this movie being pirated, if this movie flops, piracy will be blamed, and there will be hell for people that download illegally.
As for people saying these people would not have paid to see this movie anyways, that is not true. There was enough interest in this movie for them to download it, so, they would have paid for it. I feel these companies should sue those that download their movies illegally.
You know the risks of what you do online. If you get sued from piracy, it is your own fault.
Someone mentioned how we are in a recession, well how does this help the job market? If you are not paying for something, how do you expect job creation to happen? Why should these people work for free? Would you do the same thing?
I think this is pretty funny and reveals a lot about the film industry. Sure this will affect the box office performance and that’s not just or right whatsoever. However, the movie should speak for itself, and from what I can tell, it is awful. It just proves how Hollywood puts out a lot garbage, advertises it, and expects it to do well. The tides have turned, and now its not just critics who can formulate their early opinion on the movie, it’s all of us.
just finished watching it (and yes i’m seeing it in theaters when it’s released, so no lectures)
i seriously hope they’re re-editing this before its may 1st release, because as it stands now, the first 45 minutes are very good, and everything from that point on is tremendously bad
they must think we are stupid, if weeks before the anti-piracy report is published, somehow this film “leaks” onto the net.. cmon!
sounds like WMD tactics again, beside the film really sucks.
This is CRAZY! I live in Dallas and the building and equipment that were siezed by the FBI has done immeasurable damage to thousands of legitimate hard working businesses like mine. The END does NOT justify the means.
Hi, Nikki, I really enjoy reading your Web site but when you repeat the studio line that leaks cause “incalculable damage” and that this is very bad for the studio, it makes you out to be their mouthpiece. And maybe that’s your thing, though I’m under the impression that you also do some investigative reporting, not just repeating.
I would love to know where these numbers like $18 billion in lost revenue come from. Has anyone shown that the number of downloads directly relates to a drop in attendance? I like a previous commenter’s comparision to rain and the water company. Also, as someone pointed out, despite all the downloading, as you yourself have written here, movie sales are up compared to last year.
Will the bad publicity hurt it? Maybe, maybe not. Fox can run ads saying, “Seen the leaked rough cut? Now come watch the real thing.” Could work.
The few reasons people download movies “illegally” is very simple: most of the writing is bad, left wing politics preaching for two hours and cost. Why should I pay a lot of money to see a badly written story that tries to shove Hollywood/left wing values down my and my family’s throat. When Hollywood fixes these problems people will return to the movies.
The studio likely arranged the “leak” to shore up support for anti-piracy bills they want passed by Congress. They’d do anything to perpetuate the facade of victim before the eyes of a legislative power. If the movie is crap, then it’s all the easier to sacrifice it for the cause.
Most people around the age for this film, just wait a few days after the film for a quality leak from the web anyway. So the people that would download this probably wouldn’t go to the theaters anyway.
Sorry to break it to you
Who knows, this one off copy print of the movie “X-Men” called “Wolverine” could end up becoming a collectors item from the internet, one of a rare ‘first’ and become a very big draw at the box office. This movie now, will be worth seeing for sure. Especially for all the “X-Men” fans.
The future of film viewing: watch it first and then pay/donate what you think it’s worth. That way if the film sucks they lose.
this is a leak that even i know to stay away from because Fox, MPAA, and FBI, and everyone else will be out for blood. what is stunning though, is that so many people are going after an incomplete version. i mean, they are seeing a different version that movie goers will see-one that probably won’t even be on the dvd as a director’s cut.
what was odd though, is that there was an article on Foxnews.com today where the author said he actually downloaded it. i’d just like to know if legal action will be brought to him because he just publicly admitted to illegally downloading this. (no, i dont care that he works for fox and gave the work print all the praise in the world)
Taken was leaked for almost a year and when it opened, it OPENED. The piracy actually helped it.
This is a fake leak and these Fox assholes were too scared to leak a real copy.
Unlike Taken I doubt this is a good movie.
@ Joe,
try to understand piracy before your start abusing your right to free speech… downloading does not necessarily equate to lost revenue… follow the ongoing tpb case or new media trends (torrentfreak is a good source) before you use you start typing. If anything, the lack of revenues should reflect on how poorly written and casted this film was and to rethink how hollywood should engage its audience. This movie reeks of giant turd, if anything, downloading it gives movie goers a chance to save money and watch something of value. Why should patrons pay $10 to sit in a theater, watch 20 minutes of ads, and to end up with a dialogue so shitty they wish Rush Hour 4 was on screen. Wake up and smell the damn roses, the old system does not work anymore… embrace change… or you will go the way of the newspaper. We live in a wikified world, the power has shifted from the elite to the masses and open-source is just another tool in which to engage in dialogues. Prosecute away… please tell me one person that has personally lost their job to piracy… i’ll tell you 5 execs who refused to lower their inflated wages. Don’t think business school equates to a higher salary… quality deserves monetary reward… not declaring shit as gold. You sir, go fuck yourself… ignorant bastard. Also… ask your kid if they download music and if it has bettered the quality of their life.
Since a lot of people are essentially saying that this work print leak is the end of the world, and that has been downloaded hundreds of thousands, nay, millions , nay, gazillion trillion baboobillions of times, I actually thought, you know, maybe somebody should look a bit around, on those two biggest torrenting sites (they are easy to find, shaaaaaaaame on you, Google), Mininova and Piratebay.
If one adds up all the downloads (they are nice enough to put the number of torrent downloads, it appears) of all the different versions of that work print out there, then we come up to a number of approximately 250,000 downloads from those two sites. Now, there are a few smaler sites out there as well, so to calculate those in and keeping in mind that some torrents have universal trackers built in that make it irrelevant from where the torrent was downloaded, they sync up, let us be gracious and say the movie was torrented about 500,000 times.
Now, something that is often forgotten in the rather America-centric view of the debate is that this a world-wide number.
So, let’s be even more gracious and say that every download was watched by two people, which brings us to 1,000,0000.
Okay, let us now assume that all those who watched this work print will not show up in the theatres. We will assign an average ticket price of 10 dollars (regional prices may vary, according to the country/region/matinee viewings etc.).
Still with me?
Okay. 1,000,000 x 10 dollars means an approximate potential B.O. loss world-wide of about 10 million dollars. However, this is assuming that none of them show up to see the finished film. Considering that the people who torrent, especially genre films, are usually geeks (and I do not use this in derogatory terms, I am a geek, although not a super-hero one), and taking into account that numerous postings around the web indicate that about half of those who downloaded the work print say they will watch it in the theatres, the potential B.O. loss would be more in line with 5 to 7.5 million dollars.
This is not unprecedent, as some others have pointed out. A work print version of Ang Lee’s Hulk leaked in 2003, with much less laywer fanfare, if I remember that correctly.
That one still opened up with 62 million domestic and was quickly killed by a bad word-of-mouth, as can be evidenced by the fact it made 47 percent of its entire domestic B.O. on opening weekend.
Both the opening weekend number and its quick drop can be seen as a sign that work print leakings in and of themselves are of little to no consequence to the majority of people going to see a movie.
As I stated before, the thing that should worry Fox is not that it’s out there, it’s the potential aggregation of a bad word of mouth coming out even before the movie hits. Let us still use the number of 500,000 people turned off by the work print and each one telling maybe three people each that the movie is bad. Aggregated that way (and I know… some people will say, what? Geeks HAVE three friends?) we are looking at a potential loss of 1.5 million viewers, which at a price point of 10 dollars each makes that 15 million potential loss.
Again, world-wide.
Considering that the movie cost about 100 million to produce, let us add 25 million in marketing, it will have to gross about 250-270 million world-wide to break even in its theatrical run.
A potential B.O. loss of 5 to 7.5 million under the first model would account for 2 to 3 percent of that sum.
A potential B.O. loss of 15 million under the second model would account for 6 percent of that sum.
While both percentages are not insignifant, they also don’t have the significance to scream bloody murder. For they all assume one thing, even in my little mathematical play here, that those people downloading the work print would have otherwise gone to see that movie in the first place.
That, however is a value judgement basis that has yet to be proven by actual numbers.
As for what the rapidly changing technological environment, together with a growing class of rationally based decision-making by people with regards to their consumption of entertainment product, will do to the industry, now, that would be a much longer post.
i dont care what any one says about pirates. 90% of the time i pirate anything is because i payed 15$ at the god damn theater and feal as though i bught my right to it. with this movie i will download but 95% sure will see it in theaters. i like the sound
Thomas, let me add one more fact to your numbers. Just over 90% of people that have downloaded this copy of Wolverine will likely go see the movie in theaters. Even if there is a horrible word of mouth, most people will want to see the finished product.
BTW, one poster suggested that the movie be pushed ahead to a April 17th release. That can’t happen because the film isn’t finished yet. If the objective, by FOX, is to make people forget about this leak, they would move the move to an August relase around the 14-21, and then commission another draft of the script and filmed retakes.
Sigh. Thomas R. Hart, the lack of understanding you display about piracy is part of the reason the discussion about piracy has stalled on these boards. People who use torrents (which, for the record, are also used for legitimate purposes, like Nine Inch Nails or Radiohead releasing their free albums) say that the film’s been downloaded over a million times. Then you show up and use google to figure out which torrent sites are the largest, then add up the number of downloaders and tell us that it’s 500,000?
Ok, a bit of remedial education: torrent sites tell you how many people are downloading at the exact moment that you check them, not how many have ever downloaded. For most people, once the download finishes, they disconnect. That’s why there are more “leechers” than “seeders” at any given moment. So the numbers you found were for TPB and Mininova two days after the film was uploaded.
When I logged on yesterday, I counted 450,000 downloads at 10 a.m. Pacific on those two sites. When I looked again last night, I counted another 200,000 on one of those sites. The point the “pirates” are trying to make is that the number of downloads being reported by Fox is too low. Their small number is meant to reassure their shareholders that one of their biggest summer films isn’t being destroyed by file sharing. The “pirates” are trying to point out that it is very possible that a large percentage of the film’s target demographic will have already seen it before it opens. How that impact the box office is unclear, but it’s worth concern.
And your reference to Ang Lee’s Hulk speaks to exactly why this is a concern. That film wasn’t leaked, but the Hulk CG was, and the bad word of mouth destroyed the film. Studio marketers will readily admit that the first week b.o. is a testament to their work, while the second is the result of word of mouth. Word of mouth KILLED Hulk.
It’s not a question of one geek telling another that the film isn’t good. The issue is this: if a prevailing sense that the film is more like X3 than X1 begins to permeate any discussion of Wolverine, it diminishes the desire for its target demo to see it. Most X fans HATED X3 and if this is considered to be X4, they won’t show up. How do we know that? Because the same thing happened with the Matrix sequels.
Everyone saw the second one and most were disappointed. When the third was released and seen to be too similar to the sequel that everyone hated, they stayed away and the film did minimal business relative to its predecessors and budget.
The concern here is that word of mouth will kill this movie, too. Most people wouldn’t dispute that the film will open. The question that massive piracy raises is: will it have legs?
And for the record, I haven’t seen it. I’ve worked with and like people at Seed and I wouldn’t do that to them. But it doesn’t take a seventeen-year-old basement dweller to understand torrents or file sharing. Frankly, if the lack of knowledge demonstrated on this board is representative of our industry in general, I’m concerned that we really are doomed to follow in the music biz’s footsteps.
If you don’t want to pay, wait for it to come on broadcast TV. Quality clearly doesn’t matter to you, and most movies these days are improved by commercial interruption.
Thanks for being part of the problem…
Not watching unfinished product. Not now, not ever.
I just don’t get what part of stealing these folks don’t understand?
As for FOX, well, unfortunately, this is more of the mediocrity one gets when a hamburger salesman and a bean counter are put in charge…
I have the perfect solution for this!
Pirates should stop pirating (theft of intellectual property is still theft)….IF, and only if….studios stop planting fake “reviews” on movie websites.
Yes, you studio guys are fond of pointing out (correctly) that downloading pirated copies is STEALING. It is. No doubt. Totally dishonest.
You know what else is dishonest? Having the underhung losers who work in your marketing departments plant fake reviews of your shitty films on movie websites and call the said shitty films “like so dope, dude, totally da bomb, best movie eva’ yo!!!! Long time reader, first time poster. Yo.”
So what I’m saying is lead by example, and stop fucking lying to us.
I don’t think anyone’s posted this yet, but Roger Friedman (a Fox News entertainment writer) posted this review of Wolverine:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,512139,00.html
Now, this could just be damage control to stem the bad word of mouth, but this quote jsut crosses the line:
“I did find the whole top 10, plus TV shows, commercials, videos, everything, all streaming away. It took really less than seconds to start playing it all right onto my computer. I could have downloaded all of it but really, who has the time or the room? Later tonight I may finally catch up with Paul Rudd in “I Love You, Man.” It’s so much easier than going out in the rain!”
Studio security is an oxymoron. Often the last people to handle DVDs of preview materials are the lowest paid, least supervised employees with the least to lose.
Fox got what they deserved.
The only thing all these copyright litigators are trying to do is criminalize our youth
I don’t condone the theft and leak of the movie, but since I have absolutely no love for FOX, all I can do is snicker. I am actually hoping this does hurt them in the pocket! Take that for cancelling Firefly!!!
As to whether I’d go and watch this movie after all I’ve read about it, mmmyeah probably. BUT, since I am a deadpool fan, and knowing that they’ve screwed the character, I have already decided I am going to hate it.
Give me a break. You downloaders moan about how awful it is to pay $10 for a bad movie, but this leak shows that you are the main audience for terrible movies. Some ridiculous fourth installment of a meritless comic book franchise gets posted on bittorrent and you push your grandma down a flight of stairs in your rush to download it and watch it.
YOU’RE the problem. I wouldn’t download this crap if Fox paid ME $10, my time is worth more than that. And I’ve wasted too much of it reading the bitching of sociopathic nerd tightwads too cheap to buy a movie ticket and too tasteless to steal a movie actually worth watching.
“The only thing all these copyright litigators are trying to do is criminalize our youth”
WTF?! Seriously, how can you even say that with a straight face!
You don’t make a living selling music, or books, or films, do you bud? That’s the only reason you can take that stance.
So, if I steal a carton of cigarettes from you, that’s okay because I’m just doing what all youth do, right? Nevermind that you paid a lot to manufacture those cigarettes (grow the tobacco, harvest it, dry and age it, build a processing plant, package, market and transport them) that’s no big deal right?
I don’t like FOX any more than the next person. But stealing is stealing. There’s no other way to call it.
Grow up. Act responsibly. (Gawd, I sound like my father!)
Sorry but I wished I feel the same about the movie industry. I sent an email telling mpaa that its not the downloaders fault for doing what they do and its not. Its like sticking a million dollars in your face are you going to look at it or take it? Hell im gonna take it and so would you. They should get get with sony and come up with a dvd player that no computer can copy the disk it is not impossible especially with the codes sony has locked up seeing that ps2 cannot play burnt movies. The seem to bitch about people downloading stuff and dont want to waste the money to come up with a fix to the problem they would rather waste it and bitch about loosing money which one would be the less expensive???? Screw the dumbasses for being dumb and ignoring people when they email you a solution to their fix months ago… Feel no pity for anyone and the actors should be pissed at the movies studios not the people
If Fox was smart, they would downplay the leak, which they’re sort of doing. Just tell people it’ll be better when its done just like they tell people at legit previews.
While a leak of this nature is definitely worth an internal investigation, I really wouldn’t sweat it. Rob Zombie’s HALLOWEEN got out early and still opened huge. And we all know about TAKEN. If WOLVERINE under performs, it will be because it is not as well liked as some other thing, just like always. Even if it is not that great, it’ll still be huge world-wide. After all, FANTASTIC 4 was a hit. So anything can be.
And Fox, if you are reading this, stop trying to turn people into the copyright police and stop calling the fucking FBI. NEVER call the FBI, they are busy with REAL crime. Besides, the real agency to call is INTERPOL since the unlawful sale of bootlegs of new movies is your true enemy, and they are overseas. And not to the tune of the numbers you guys throw out. 18 billion indeed. What is it with this business that they are swimming in ever increasing profits yet all they can do is cry about imaginary lost millions?
We may never know how the print really got out but I’m sure some poor sap will hang for it. Which would be a mistake. Fire whoever for sure but jail, no. Unless you can prove said individual was copying it and selling copies. If not, focus your energies on battening down the hatches on chain of possession with film elements so this doesn’t happen again. After all, scream and cry “THEFT!!!” all you want, but it’s really YOUR fault this thing got out. Own it, deal with it, and quit bitching.
well to be honest what kinda person watches a web based pirate film? now this kinda person would they go cinema to see it if it wasnt leaked before hand or just wait for a cinema pirate after release? the money lost is minimal
I’ve seen the movie, ignored the fact that its a workprint and plainly followed the storyline. (I do a little video editing so i can bear with it.)Why would i do that? I really don’t dig movies for their flashiness, its the story that really thrills me. No matter what kind of effects or editing a certain flick goes through, if it lacks the core and the overall factor which only goes down to one thing, “sense”, then its a crap for sure. Superman didn’t look a stupid since the storyline never followed any prequel and just came up for a new, really lovely storyline, its Superman for crying out loud, he can fly. Taken and Gran Torino, those two movies are really something to be remembered, they may lack the flashy scenes but the “sense” which bound the whole movie is left intact until the very last flick.
What’s my point? FOX threw away this crappy movie and fed it to the sharks. Hoping they could a little compensation about this crappy movie, they contacted FBI crying, we got a shtolen mobee… sniff sniff.. fleashe fhind the intwuder… That’s just sucks. I’m not bad mouthing the movie or anything, i only share what i saw. I’m a big fan of wolverine and had been sitting at my room for almost eternity waiting for this one. Yeah it claims that the hatred which fills the gap between Sabertooth and Wolverine would then be unveiled but I really can’t buy it. Its just too freaking ridiculous. You wanna know what’s that? Then get your own copy.
Seriously, its more like a, “have you seen the latest x-men? What do you think? Is it worth the billions we burnt for it? If not, then we can add a little spice to it… then we can enjoy the scandal of it being leaked.
The movie was leaked a freakin month before its released … There is no watermark (visible to be exact) and the flicks are honestly trimmed intentionally (there are still some scenes with screener time)… It didn’t came from a post house, it came from someone authorized… the movie is clean enough to be understood, how the hell that this kind of copy, furnished and watchable enough…. got out…
The whole file was like a jigsaw puzzle, oh but without the drawing.. ^^ Peace out.
1. Don’t bad-mouth the movie if you haven’t seen it.
2. If you are one of those who downloaded this unfinished version, you still haven’t seen the movie.
3. This is the cheapest, easiest, sneakiest way for Fox to promote the movie. The press on piracy will drive all sorts of interest in the public, driving people to the theaters who wouldn’t ordinarily go. Even FBI agents will go to see the movie.
4. Studios don’t make all their money from theater releases anymore; the cash is found in associated deals, such as burger house promotions, action figures, video games, multiple-version DVD releases and contracts for television play.
5. Theft of intellectual property cannot be effectivly fought through criminal prosecution, multiple lawsuits or DRM; movie and music companies must develop a new method of making money by embracing the free publicity gained by low-quality “thefts” then releasing high-quality products with value-added features that (a) make them too complicated to steal, and (b) make the commercial versions worth purchasing. (Example: Commentary tracks, making-of features, interviews with participants, storyboards, etc. — you rarely find these being pirated, but they make a DVD of a movie all the more interesting.)
P.S. — There is a USB-powered harddrive about the size of a pack of cigarettes (Western Digital’s Passport) that could absorb the entire movie in a matter of minutes without leaving a clue, then be walked out of the studio without notice or comment. Theft is so easy these days, which is why a new paradigm is inevitable (see 5).
SAW IT LIKED IT CAN WAIT 4 THE FINESHED ONE ALL THIS WHO DID IT NEEDS 2 STOP ITS DONE LETS HOPE THE END PROD. IS WORTH ALL THE CRAP ,,,THAT WE WILL HEAR 4 THE NEXT YEAR
LMAO-Pirates band together…everyone go pay the ten bucks to go see this movie(consider it a donation to TPB or something) Then when the movie GROSSES HUGE, there goes the prosecution, etal’s allegation that piracy is costing them millions in losses! Can’t wait to see that go over in court…
i’ve seen the said stolen copy…there are a lot of them selling like hotcakes here in the philippines…..the origin is malaysia
Who cares tho.. Movie company’s make loads of millions. And we customers are getting scammed by them every time. Buy a movie on DVD and 1 year later you can rebuy it on bluray. So you pay double for the movie you payed rights already for.
This is like the worst movie leak in centuries. Wolverine origins was like the second most anticipated film of 2009, Transformers 2 and Terminator 4 following. Fox is gonna be so p***ed off….
But I doubt this is going to affect this movie’s performance in the box office coz its just a rough cut… an unfinished version with no SFX
So people are gonna flock to the theaters…
@ whoever wrote this….
“What’s my point? FOX threw away this crappy movie and fed it to the sharks. Hoping they could a little compensation about this crappy movie, they contacted FBI crying, we got a shtolen mobee… sniff sniff.. fleashe fhind the intwuder… That’s just sucks. I’m not bad mouthing the movie or anything, i only share what i saw. I’m a big fan of wolverine and had been sitting at my room for almost eternity waiting for this one. Yeah it claims that the hatred which fills the gap between Sabertooth and Wolverine would then be unveiled but I really can’t buy it. Its just too freaking ridiculous. You wanna know what’s that? Then get your own copy.
Seriously, its more like a, “have you seen the latest x-men? What do you think? Is it worth the billions we burnt for it? If not, then we can add a little spice to it… then we can enjoy the scandal of it being leaked.
The movie was leaked a freakin month before its released … There is no watermark (visible to be exact) and the flicks are honestly trimmed intentionally (there are still some scenes with screener time)… It didn’t came from a post house, it came from someone authorized… the movie is clean enough to be understood, how the hell that this kind of copy, furnished and watchable enough…. got out… ”
I agree. If the movie is really bad then Fox could have done this thing…
If the quality is really good and the movie is really crap, then some top level exec must’ve leaked it.
But, honestly… don’t foul mouth the movie, dont give away spoilers let the movie come to theaters and let the people judge it by themselves first….
That is funny as hell to me… I think they need to spend more time to make there movies instead of jumping on to people who download them.. The poor man has a right to see movies too,, In a perfect world all information would be shared…
@seabird
“2. If you are one of those who downloaded this unfinished version, you still haven’t seen the movie.”
The only thing missing from it are completed effects. The film is done. Unless there are substantial reshoots that change 90% of the film, it’s finished. The plot is all there, and you can follow it fairly easily. The running time by foreign theatre chains is almost exactly the same as this leak (108 minutes).
I agree with Anonymous Guy.
It would sensible to withhold judgment until we see the finished product. Passing judgment on the movie in rough cut form is like passing judgment on a meal still cooking in the pot or still baking in the oven. I think a lot of people who are saying bad things about it are jumping the gun on this one.
Flame if you like, but I thought the movie was great. I cant wait to see the finished product. Only thing is I hope they dont screw it up, with the exception of incomplete effects, I loved the story and the dark feel of the movie, and the music was great and fit right with it. Bravo, great movie.
Well Everyone has missed the BIG point here. Stop thinking about the movie or who it came from. First think about why. Movies have been pre-release like this in the past, yet this one has gotten the biggest rise out of everyone (FBI). Everyone has the right idea, but fox is going to be used as an example. Its all about the big $………just my view on the situation. Tell me im wrong. Watch out for anti torrent jargin yada yada yada :/
-Ill be one of you in line for the first showing!!!
All I know is that if it hadn’t been leaked, I wouldn’t have known about it until long after it had been officially released.
I don’t have cable or broadcast television – the internet is the only real media outlet I use. I have adblockers to prevent banner ads from loading. I don’t frequent sites that cater to the latest trends and fashions, I don’t review entertainment news articles. There is no even moderately effective means for FOX to advertise a movie to me, and if they discover a means to do so, I’m more likely to get pissed off that their spam garnered my attention than to get interested in their movie.
But, one of my interests is copyright law. Another is filesharing. The activity surrounding this “release” has captured my attention long enough to read through several articles and post this response. That should tell you something, even if the positive reviews you’re getting from millions of pirates doesn’t.
Will I pay to see the movie? Probably not – I haven’t seen a movie in-theater in the past several years. The big-screen experience generally isn’t worth it to an introverted geek like me, especially on opening weekend. But, if I were to download it and find the storyline somewhat compelling, I would definitely be interested in seeing it in its full glory. I would be far more likely to pay to see a movie that I know I’m going to enjoy than to risk wasting my time and money on a potentially suckass film. That’s just how I roll.
Kudos to Fox’s marketing team – You’ve managed to reel me in with this “unauthorized” release. I have a fairly hard time believing that this wasn’t intentional, but on the off-chance that you didn’t mean to release it, I hope you learn from the experience. Downloaders are giving it generally positive reviews (with the obvious caveat regarding the absence of effects) so you can probably expect larger than normal crowds on opening weekend.
Maybe you’ll want to do this regularly – P2P users are used to camera captures with crappy sound and people walking through the frame. Obviously, they are willing to put up with a less-than-perfect experience to get at the story. Hopefully, that will tell you something, and you’ll learn to work WITH P2P, rather than trying to fight them.
Lester, Nikki knows that claims the download might contain a virus are just a scare tactic. If you couldn’t tell that from the piece then read a little closer.
Question — why are movies the only product you cannot get your money back for if you are not totally satisfied? All the major department stores, and major consumer brands would surely return your money and/or give you a credit for another of their product.
Why don’t the studios do this? The bamboozling marketing campaigns are failing and have failed big time — not even the kids are that stupid anymore to risk their hard earned money on the crap they put out.
How about taking a risk on some REAL talent, not some
BS writer, actor, story, director, some slick agent sold you on? The blockbusters aren’t even worth it — the only reason Dark Knight made bank is because of an unfortunate death. Let’s get real here now.
I don’t understand what incentive there is for someone to leak a movie online. As people are downloading it for free, what benefit does the original uploader have for risking a jail term?
I feel kind of bad for Jackman. He seems like a nice guy.
But I have no sympathy for fox after they smeared the xmen franchise with brett ratner.
Boohoo, just desserts IMO.
ehh saw it not good
First, as a Programmer – the virus comment by Fox is completely ridiculous. Someone at Fox would have to have anticipated a leak in order to code a virus (Just in case) – that’s rubbish. A virus cannot be planted after the fact. Besides if Fox were smart enough to code a virus, they would have been smart enough to contain the leak. Studios need to stop operating in Jurassic times and get with modern technology – stop wasting time going after consumers and figure out how to make new tools work for you! It’s not that difficult, stop trying to control everything like it’s still 1950!
Repo man wrote: ‘I saw the stolen version, and I’ll definitely pay to see it now in the theater. But I don’t condone piracy.’ – wow, that’s so honorable of you! Can I steal YOUR property (anonymously of course) and promise to pay for it later?
That would not be theft you tard. You just made an enforceable contract via your promise of future payment. Acquaint yourself with the Uniform Commercial Code provisions dealing with sales. Also, I’m insane.