
TUESDAY 12:30AM UPDATE: I've learned that both Jay Leno and the Guild investigating panel asked WGAw President Patric Verrone among others to make the final report public, including full transcripts of the hearing. But Verrone et al refused. So why was the Guild's excuse "confidentiality" since Leno willingly waived his? Or was Verrone more concerned that his own questionable conduct would be exposed?
MONDAY 6:30PM UPDATE: Prompted by my post today, the Writers Guild, West, finally released its trial committee report after refusing to do so because of "confidentiality". So why now? Only because I was releasing some of its findings -- among them that Jay Leno had been unanimously cleared. The WGAw report determined that the Guild owed Leno a public apology because Jay had been "done a disservice and his reputation harmed by these proceedings". I believe that the WGAw was purposely withholding this report because it presented President Patric Verrone in a bad light, which would have been damaging during the Guild elections. I can report that a key person complicit in this was WGAw staffer Neil Sacharow, who in my opinion should be fired. It was Sacharow who phoned me in consternation after seeing my midday advisory that my WGA vs Leno reporting was about to post.
(More on the report below).
MONDAY 12:30 PM: Few issues during the November 2007/February 2008 writers strike stirred as much anger and emotion as whether WGA member Jay Leno violated Guild strike rules during his return to hosting The Tonight Show. The WGAw's investigation into what Leno did and not do was conducted with the utmost secrecy during and after the strike. It was only 18 months after the strike, on August 11th, that Hollywood found out that the union had cleared Leno of all charges - and only then because his name did not appear on the press release detailing who had been charged by the trial committees. Now I have been asked by sources close to Jay Leno to relay the information to Hollywood that he was unanimously cleared by his peers at the Writers Guild, which certainly puts a different complexion on the ugly face of strike-breaking. [I have asked the WGAw to confirm this and am waiting for its response.] "I have no problem with them bringing charges. But the unfair part is that when you're innocent, because of all the secrecy, no one shakes your hand and says, 'Welcome back into the fold'," Leno was quoted by my sources as saying. These sources tell me that Jay maintained throughout the investigation by the WGA trial committee that "they [Guild officials] really told me I could do my monologue" and claims 17 writers testified to that effect. Leno also had "the man who wrote the law" come in and testify that hosts of late night shows had the right under an AFTRA clause allowing performers to write material that they perform. Jay also denied working with scabs and maintained he turned off the fax machines. Instead, he told the trial committee that he "went through 17 years of material and rewrote that." In his defense, Leno testified at one point, "in a business as transparent as this, you can't get away with anything."
I don't understand why Leno himself won't go public with this news. Because it might go a long way to healing the wounds created during the strike when almost every working writer except Jay's own staff was hating on him. And that animus has only intensified since the Jay Leno Show was announced because writers blame him and the network for stripping NBC's schedule of 5 hours of scripted primetime programming a week and thus depriving scores of WGA members of badly needed jobs. Leno is looking for absolution from his Guild peers. He's telling my sources, "I understand why these guys are still mad at me. I know what the animosity is about. But, if I wasn't on, NBC would still program 5 nights a week of Dateline or Biggest Loser. As it is my show has 22 WGA writers who are working in the top 5% in terms of pay for 46 weeks a year. For whatever reason, the network doesn't want more scripted drama. So The Closer, The Shield, Burn Notice, all these wonderful shows are on cable."
I do feel that Deadline Hollywood owes Leno an apology, so even though he has never asked me for one, I offer it to him now. I chronicled Leno's many visits to the picket lines, often with cups of Starbucks and boxes of donuts, in the first months of the strike when The Tonight Show was dark. But I became one of his harshest critics after he went back to work in early January 2008. That's when the rumors began flying.
My email box became filled with allegation after allegation of strike-breaking by Leno. Soon after, WGA members brought formal complaints against Jay of violating guild rules against writing for struck companies, and the Guild's Strike Rules Compliance Committee (SRCC) began its investigation. Leno became the only one of the late night hosts who faced a review which focused specifically on how he was able to keep doing his nightly monologue. He was questioned at length on two occasions in February and June by a WGA West trial committee, which consisted of 5 rank-and-file guild members. The final decisions on the penalties recommended by the trial committees rested with the WGA West board of directors.
I recall that during the strike, there were so many rumors about Leno and the WGA that it became impossible for me to check out each of them. One of the most persistent was that WGA West President Patric Verrone had previously worked for Jay on The Tonight Show and therefore given him a "pass" for the monologue. While Verrone had indeed worked for The Tonight Show long ago, it had been for host Johnny Carson, not Leno. I can report that, at one point, members of one late night show's writing staff contacted me because they'd heard directly from a writer in the room when Verrone met with Leno ostensibly regarding Letterman getting that WGA waiver for Worldwide Pants (because Dave owned his and Craig Ferguson's late night shows, while Leno worked for NBC) and to tell the Guild he was being pressured by NBC to go back to work. It was claimed Leno matter-of-factly told Verrone that he was going to be writing his own monologue once back on the show. The writer in the room claimed Verrone seemed fine with it. Rumors also reached me that one of the late night producers had called Verrone to complain, and that Verrone had told him the union would not go after Jay. That is until I broke the story of the Leno-Verrone meeting, and then "Verrone had to pretend to be outraged," the sources told me.
At the time, tempers were high within the late night world. And everyone inside it was furious with the WGA for seeming to not take any action against all the hosts who'd returned tp work, but especially against Leno. "The union has demonstrated to every striking writer that there is no punishment for violating their rules, opening the door for across-the-board scabbing," one late night writer wrote me. "Verrone has put his personal relationships ahead of the cause." There was even a call for Patric to step down.
The reason why the situation reached critical mass around Leno was because Jay had been a credited member of The Tonight Show writing staff for most of his tenure behind the desk. And, as such, had by Guild rules to put his pen down and not hire scabs and not ask his writing staff to perform work while the strike was on. It didn't matter that on the air that first night back, Jay respectfully acknowledged the worthiness of the WGA's demands. But at the same time he admitted his own strike-breaking creative process whereby "I write jokes and wake my wife up" in order to try them out on her. That's why, on January 3rd, the WGA told Leno that he violated its rules by penning and delivering punch lines in his monologue.
Many of the rumors also centered around Jay's staff of writers, who were regularly walking the picket line while the accusations flew. Head writer Joe Medeiros, also a respected strike captain for the WGA, would deny the allegations, insisting that he and the writing staff were not preparing material for Leno as some maintained. In fact, Joe sent a letter to the WGA strike captains on January 8th, 2008, that read: "No Tonight Show writers have been, are, or will be writing jokes or anything else for Jay Leno or The Tonight Show during tis strike." And still the rumors kept on spreading. Madeiros also claimed that Jay was not receiving material from scab writers even though it's widely alleged in the writing community and comedic circles that he "undermines" the WGA through his use of hundreds of freelance writers who are non-Guild (and who send in their stuff via those infamous Tonight Show fax machines). While most of the late night hosts use some freelance material, it's claimed that sometimes over half of Leno's Tonight Show was penned by freelancers who earn money that is not subject to guild pension and health payments. Instead, Medeiros insisted that Jay was simply recycling old material from past monologues and just updating it. And he refuted claims circulating that he or the writing staff or Leno had ever considered going fi-core.
Today, I can state that the trial committee report on the Leno case details most of what I was able to confirm amid all the rumors and posted during the strike (see links below): how at that meeting with WGA leadership on Dec. 31, 2007, Leno was told by Verrone that the guild was grateful for Leno’s public support of the strike and that he would not face disciplinary action for writing his monologue since Jay was being pressured by NBC to return to work. (I'm told that nearly all of Leno’s writers who were at the meeting, as well as WGA executive director Dave Young, and even Patric Verrone, gave written or verbal testimony — under oath — to this.)
But it was only after protests from furious WGA members over the Guild allowing Leno to write during the strike that Verrone told Leno to stop penning his own material, according to the report. Leno was described as "stunned" by Verrone's reversal and ignored the warning. A week later, WGA executive director Dave Young called Leno to warn him again. Young also claimed the AFTRA clause did not apply to Leno. As a result, Jay replied that he "might have to resign" from the WGA, the report said.
But the trial committee disagreed with the WGA’s interpretation of the AFTRA clause and decided it did indeed cover Leno. "The wording of the exception seems quite clear to us," the report states.
Leno also was given conflicting information by Verrone and Young that the WGA would not cut an interim agreement with Letterman’s Worldwide Pants, but then did on Dec. 28, 2007.
Even more damning, the report found that Verrone did not keep his promise made in the presence of Big Media CEOs Peter Chernin and Bob Iger who were negotiating to end the strike with the WGA bigwigs, as well as the AMPTP's Carol Lombardini, that Leno would not be brought up on WGAw charges. Verrone told the trial committee that he never communicated that discussion to the WGAw board or the strike rules committee and that he felt it wasn’t in his "purview" to do so.
Given the circumstances, the trial committee cited the public apology as the way to clear Leno's name and the "adverse stigma" which followed him from the charges. "We know there was no ill intent on anyone’s part in this dispute but feel Mr. Leno’s reputation and solid service as a loyal union member have been damaged in the eyes of many not knowing the facts as we do."
So the WGAw did conduct an investigation, and it cleared Leno. Like it or not, that chapter of the strike story is now closed. Get over it. But what WGA members should not put behind them is that their Guild didn't want them to know the details of its own Leno-related screwups because of this September's election. As someone who has urged the Hollywood unions again and again to practice transparency, I believe the withholding of this trial report should not be tolerated.
- Part IV: NBC Rejects WGA's Investigation Of Jay
- Part III: Jay Threatened Fi-Core; WGA Action Against Leno
- Part II: WGA Denies Jay Had Union OK And Verrone "Look The Other Way"
- Part I: SO WHAT'S THE REAL STORY? NBC Claims Jay Had WGA OK For Monologue
- NBC: Leno Can Write His Monologue; WGA: He Can't But We Don't Want War
- War With WGA Over Leno Writing Monologue! Controversy Over Strike Breaking
- WGA Agrees To Allow Dave's Late Night Shows To Return With Writers Jan. 2


The WGA went easy on Leno and lowered the boom on a couple low level writers whose strike breaking didn’t really hurt anyone.
Who does the WGA go easy on? The guy whose late night show is costing many, many hour writers their jobs. So I’m voting against Elias. It was his regime that let Jay off the hook. What would Wells have done? Dunno, but it couldn’t have been any worse than this mishandling.
Is this not fodder for debate in the upcoming election?
The biggest joke in town is Leno vs. the WGA. He knows he beat the system, I know he played fast and lose withe rules, and everybody else know what a lying, cheating, douche bag he is. He beat the system because Veronne, et al didn’t think it was worth the effort to punish Leno for writing during the strike. The guy is a straight up scumbag.
Unions in this country like the idiot making the previous reply is what is wrong with this country!
The “MORE” feature isn’t working so I have no idea about the rest of the article. So… Understood, plenty of people dislike Jay. That’s a given, however I’m not sure if you side with the writers who are in a tizzy because the network has “stripped” 5 hours of programming. Well, tough s@*t. It’s called a business. If a network wants to put on a show 5 days a week it’s their business. AND – it creates TONS of new jobs. As much as I hate to agree with Jay, he’s right. Or as they say in the Writer’s Guild, “He’s Write!” (Sorry, couldn’t resist…)But Jay’s employing 22 writers (jeez…22 people to write that show. How?) and tons of others is a good thing for the city. Wake up people…
Leno’s a good guy, unlike Jimmy Kimmel, who met with his writers during the wga strike (early January 2008) and practically BEGGED them all to go Fi-Core. Hook one of them up to a lie detector! This is a 100% true fact. (I have a mole, and it ain’t on my ass).
Kimmel is and will always be the scummiest of the late night lot.
Goo r u the page who got fired ?
+1 on Kimmel. And he has his homey Bill Simmons on ESPN throwing potshots at Verrone even still. There was obviously a conversation in there someone’s still steaming about.
Leno never broke any rules, and the WGA knew it all along. The Guild’s agreement carves out a specific exception for performers writing their own material, which was used in previous strikes on both the Tonight Show and Late Night.
I wasn’t in the meeting, so I don’t know whether Patric Verrone gave Leno implicit permission to do his own monologue, and then turned on him in public. But Verrone didn’t have permission to give, and the subsequent demonization was a calculated attempt on the Guild’s part to rally the troops.
It was shameful.
There should be an apology.
Gee, you mean a bunch of pricks who bankrupted thousands of people who actually had jobs and their supporters – like you – wrongly and viciously attacked a man with no proof? Color me surprised that a bunch of union thugs would ever do that.
I have no problem with Jay Leno writing his own monologue material during the strike. He has been writing material for himself for 30 years, long before he took over The Tonight Show and long before he had a writing staff. However I WOULD like to find out about the REAL scabs that were writing and producing shows during the strike. We all heard their names, several fairly well known, and although they were untalented hacks, they still undermined the strike for money. For MONEY. Pure scum. What about them? How about listing ALL of the writers who were accused of scabbing and the results of their “trials”. Yeah, I know, they’ve already been let off the hook, but it would be nice for those of us that sacrificed during the strike to at least see their names in print, even if their trials were whitewashed. Maybe it will be a small deterrent to those that would be thinking about scabbing in the next strike. Of course, the same ones who got off will be scabbing again. And why wouldn’t they? They got off scot-free this time.
Scab n — hate speech — Union slang; favored by intolerant lefties who believe that Unions have the right to dictate to someone whether they can work or not (id est: put food on the table).
Seems the only people who win strikes are Unions Bosses, and Democrats who collect their blood money at each election.
“they still undermined the strike for money. For MONEY. Pure scum….”
What other reason would they do it? From what I know, which isn’t much, isn’t money what we use to transfer the goods and services needed to survive?
Last time I checked, being on the picket line doesn’t feed the family and meet the needs too well…guess that makes me “scum” for thinking that way…
Holy crap.
So Patric told Leno he could write his monologue, caved when he got flack and attacked Leno publicly, promised the AMPTP that he wouldn’t be brought up on charges IN A NEGOTIATION and then didn’t tell anyone about that promise?
And then someone squashed the effing apology that was demanded by the report because it would hurt the election?
Are you kidding me?
Can someone get a comment from Elias Davis about all this? Oh, I forgot. He said that his answer on all questions is whatever Patric says.
I can’t believe we’re really considering playing musical chairs and keeping all these goons in office.
And I’m sorry, but I’ve got to say: I’m not sure that staffer is the one who needs to resign. You think he’s trying to swing the election to Elias Davis on his own orders?
I was one of the Tonight Show writers in that meeting with Leno & Verrone. Veronne misled all of us. Patric & group not only owe Leno an apology, they owe all of his Tonight Show writers an apology. Thanks, Nikki, for reporting the truth.
Nikki – As the most reliable source of information during the strike and about WGA issues in general, thank you for having the integrity to issue Jay an apology and for bringing to light some pretty shameful political shenanigans on the part of the current WGA leadership over the timing of the release of this information.
It’s sad how so few WGA members understand the rules of their own union.
Jay Leno never broke the strike rules because he was allowed by long-established WGA rules to write his own monologue.
Everyone in the WGA leadership understood this. Except, apparently, Patric Verrone. For Verrone to falsely accuse a public supporter of the strike of breaking the rules is shameful.
Gotta disagree that all the trial reports should be public. We all knew about Leno because it made the news. We didn’t know about the other writers who were accused and then found to be innocent. So now the WGA is supposed to release their names “for those of us that sacrificed during the strike to at least see their names in print, even if their trials were whitewashed.”
They were found to be innocent by a group of other writers who took their task very seriously. And now you want to be able to drag their names through the mud because without knowing a fucking thing you’re sure their trials were “whitewashed”? It could have just as easily been you who were accused, jackass.
The scope of Verrone’s failure continues to expand.
If we don’t send Patrick Verrone and Elias Davis packing right now, heaven help our guild. A botched strike, a depleted treasury, laughable failures at reality organizing, lies to Leno, lies to the membership, cover-ups, smear tactics, self-dealing….when will it be enough? This guild is going to take years to recover from their arrogance and incompetence.
It’s pretty easy to say that, but in reality they (the WGA leadership) were backed up against a wall. I’m not voting for Davis, but I believe no one could have gotten us a better deal. Doesn’t anyone remember the tactics the AMPTP used? They are the bad guys here. There is no reason Verrone and the lot would WANT us to fail in those negotiations. They did the best they could under terrible circumstances — why wouldn’t they?
And, I’m sorry, but if you go bankrupt after a few months of not working, you are in the wrong business. Blame the writers all you want, but things get shut down in this town every day. Get used to it. Put some money away.
Carson and Letterman went back to work during the last strike in the 80s (Dave was fantastic of course.) Leno used Carson as his model.
He was told by the President of his Union it was okay and followed the rules.
Enough is enough. Glad to see Nikki apologizing. I read in the LA Times that Leno was cleared of all charges back in August. It doesn’t seem the least bit like a coverup. Sorry, Nikki.
Also, Verrone is not running for President of the WGA. So to not vote for someone he supports seems idiotic. Wells is the one who let so-called reality shows (which all have writers) get huge under his last term as WGA President and who tried to cut the salaries of the “West Wing” writers who were working for him (while he was the head of a union that fights for writers.) He’s no friend to writers. Oh, and he also directed episodes of shows during the strike, thus making it easier for the studios to extend the length of the strike as they had more programming in the pipeline.
About Leno taking away all these jobs. He is definitely taking some. But let’s do the math. If Leno had just decided to retire his 20 writers would be out of work. If NBC had let him keep his spot, Fallon’s 20 writers would never get hired.
Had Leno retired or statyed put, NBC would run Dateline or a reality show at 10pm on at least two of the nights — they don’t have the money right now to put on a 10pm scripted drama 5 nights a week. That leaves three nights that would’ve gone to scripted dramas that no longer will (including the historic Thursday night 10pm slot.) Those shows tend to have 10 writers or less. Leno has 20. So 30 writers are now out of work due to the 10pm move who would not have been, but 20 have work. So yes, 10 writers are out of work. Some jobs are lost, but not 50. Why are the same people who complain about this not yelling at Simon Cowell for being on two nights a week with American Idol? That show doesn’t pay its writers Guild rate (as it’s non-union) and takes up a huge chunk of the Fox schedule. Why not tell Simon he should only be on once a week for an hour? Where is the outrage? They show is hugely popular and could easily pay its writers, but it does not.
Also, in a few years, NBC might develop a show that is a big enough hit at 9pm that they give it the 10pm slot on Thursday. And then Leno works four nights a week. Probably pre-tapes the Friday show like Ferguson does, so he can have a three day weekend (which knowing Leno means an extra night of touring around the country performing as opposed to taking the day off.)
Leno may not be the hippest guy in the room, and you may not like that some of his jokes are a little too safe at times (on some nights too many), but to call him a douchebag for wanting to work, for following the example of Carson, and for being loyal to NBC is bullshit.
While writers disagree on many things, can’t we all agree that the withholding of this information during the election is a serious crime against all members? Who is running Verrone/Davis’ campaign, Karl Rove?
i hate to say it, but this is serious enough that there should be a re-vote so anyone who has already voted for Davis and/or Verrone can decide if this willful withholding of information to members impacts their decision. This will cost the guild a pretty penny, but how can the outcome of this election be considered valid otherwise?
This is what happens when union leaders stop being union members and start being politicians. Then they are just like most politicians: scum. So are the rest of the lemmings on the Leno hate train Verrone created. Somehow a simple apology from the union does not seem enough considering the amount of time they allowed the wrong against Leno to persist and the amount of effort that has gone into the cover up.
I like it how you BURIED your apology to Leno 2/3rd of the way through the article. Might have wanted to display that a little more prominently.
Nikki:
As someone who knows all the details of the Jay Leno vs. WGA Hearing Committee — as one of its members, I was hoping all this would not come out this way.
I must try and set the record straight from my perspective.
I must separate the process into two elements: The hearing and report itself. And then how the WGA handled the results of the committee’s work
First of all, let me say most of what you report is accurate as to the committee report. After hearing all the evidence presented by Mr. Leno and his attorney and the WGA’s side of things, we unanimously agreed that Jay Leno was not guilty of scabbing or violating Guild rules as charged on several grounds — which I will not go into since you’ve pretty much alluded to some of them.
It was not a whitewash. It was not a give Jay a pass. It was strictly based on the evidence presented. We culled the facts.
Many members of the Board did not like our report and we have been condemned by some for not knowing what we were doing, etc.
Since I felt the only way the committee could clear its name and the work we did, I pressed for the Guild to publically release not only the Trial Report BUT THE TRANSCRIPT as well. So all could see the facts for themselves. Isn’t that what transparency is about?
The Guild has chosen not to do so. I even offered to edit the sections of the transcript that supported our conclusions so that the whole transcript need not be released. The Guild did not choose this route either. I do not know the reasons, I just know the conclusions.
I also challenged those in the Guild and on the Board to do the same — show in the transcript of sworn testimony where the verdict was wrong. None have done so, other than tell me we ‘got it wrong’.
In the beginning I gave the Guild great credit for wanting to get to the truth and hear all the facts of such a high profile case and then come to a determination. I have subsequently changed my opinion. They had the conclusion and they wanted a committee to support it.
And it is true that the committee suggested the WGA apologize to Mr. Leno who was pilloried in public and spent thousands of dollars to defend himeself against the charges when he didn’t have to. From what I’m told the Guild also didn’t want to do this. The Guild felt they had done nothing wrong — the trial committee got it wrong. Obviously, the committee, who have a total of 135 years of Guild service behind them, disagreed.
I will say this — in the spirit of fairness — as far as Mr. Elias is concerned, I don’t think this should be made an election issue. His name never surfaced. His name never came up. I am not a supporter of his, for any number of reasons, and I felt the letter the Verrone-Bowman team published charging John Wells with all sorts of things was more of what I had seen in the Leno matter. I was urged to come forward, but didn’t want to — unless this became public as it now has.
The committee’s findings were unbiased and strictly based on the evidence presented to us.
How the Guild chose to handle the release of our findings is something I have taken issue with — and several members of the Board know that. So it’s no secret.
I have seen all sorts of conspiracy theorise about how the Guild let Mr. Leno off the hook because they didn’t want to lose his dues. Etc. None of these are true.
We were asked to adjudicate one thing and one thing only, did Jay Leno scab and violate strike rules by writing his own monologue. The facts prove he didn’t.
I know Mr. Leno took the charges personally and seriously and even the determination that he was ‘innocent’ does not ease the pain for him. And the outcry against him.
The Guild did not do him justice. It seems to me when he was charged they made it a Page One story. When he was cleared, they buried it on page 73.
The whole process was an education for me on many levels — and I, for one, apologize to Mr. Leno.
Bill Taub
Will Leno be using freelancers for The Jay Leno Show?
I love the part about sometimes over half the show is written by freelancers. Did anybody else catch that? And you’re apologizing, Nikki? A scumbag is a scumbag, and every writer in town knows what goes on over there. If the WGA did its job, Leno would’ve been off the air 16 years ago.
2009 has been a terrible year for writers, who are earning 30% less than they did in 2007. And all this money going to freelancers, payment that’s not subject to pension and health etc? Investigate THAT, WGA…oh, wait, don’t bother, you incompetent oafs.
Jay Leno perpetuated the WGA strike by continuing to bring in ad dollars to NBC — how many people lost their homes, good credit, and family unity as a result of this mans selfish agenda? He’s a pig and Verrone is a stud.
Dear “Paint the Town”:
We were not called upon to determine whether Jay perpetuated the WGA strike by bringing in ad dollars to NBC.
But your venom can be spewed lots of places — dozens of other writer/comedians/hosts did the same thing as Jay (in both the East and West) and were not singled out. They got off without even an honorable mention.
I’m glad you think Verrone is a stud. I’m sure you have the facts to back that up too. I think he’s a nice man. Well-intentioned. And under the ‘fog of war’ lots of things happen. But even McNamara admitted his mistakes.
Bill Taub
Bill Taub,
I find your comments to be embarrassing and insensitive to all wGA members. Apologizing profusely to someone who at best skirted the rules, and at worst – and apparently there’s a lot of sentiment inside the WGA leadership for this — grossly violated the rules but got a pass from you, is reprehensible.
Even if Jay’s innocent of violating strike rules – and that’s a big if – he’s hardly a friend of the writer for other transgressions, some of which are outlined in this article. To read a “leader” (and I use the term loosely since I’ve never heard of you) of the guild profusely apologizing to this guy is unseemly and disgusting.
Please tell me you don’t serve on any juries in the real world. “Your honor, the defendant may not have murdered the victim, but he sure did hold up that liquor store, and he was very impolite to his mother. We find him guilty of murder and ask for the death penalty.”
“Hour Writers,” you’ve only yourselves to blame. Your shit is tired, exhausted. Everybody in North America is sick of Cops n’ Lawyers. And all the “rotted corpses” and “traces of semen” in the world won’t save the procedural format you lazy bastards drove into the ground.
Write something else. I’m sure it was traumatic for all the “Gunsmoke” writers when suddenly nobody gave a shit about cowboys. And they were much better writers than you are.
“Everybody in North America is sick of Cops n’ Lawyers.”
We beg to differ.
Signed,
CSI
CSI: Miami
NCIS
NCIS: Los Angeles
The Mentalist (really, people??)
Grey’s Anatomy
House
The Closer
An apology? Are U kidding? Leno hasn’t written a joke since WW2. He’s completely dependent on scab writers. That’s how he got through the strikes and he will continue to do it because the WGA is too craven and corrupt to stop him. What a scam. I’m glad I’m not a member.
Dear “I hate cops and lawyers”,
Yeah, I do too.
But you do understand that TV is a business, right? And, that most of the top rated shows are franchise shows. And, that one of the revenue streams for television is the ability to repeat programming which really only works with closed-ended procedurals.
And, I don’t think you are correct that “everybody in North America is sick of cops n lawyers.” Have you seen the ratings? Also, why are writers who write those shows “lazy”? That makes no sense at all.
It’s really tricky to launch inventive shows – Kings being the most recent example. That’s not to say the writers and networks should not keep trying but unless you are bankrolling these TV shows yourself, you obviously need to be aware of the business model and how the business works. So until AMERICA stops watching procedurals, there will be cops and lawyers and doctors. Duh.
Emotional posts about YOUR taste that have no real world application are kind of embarrassing.
Not only does Jay Leno deserve a public apology from Patrick Verrone, we all do for being mislead over this case and in so many other instances. Let’s move forward with John Wells.
I’m not defending the guild. And would never defend Verrone, whose slate deserves to go down in the next election, way down in the gutter where he lives and breaths.
But, come on Nikke. To post on your site that a staffer should be fired just because you said he called you in consternation. For hundreds of years, journalists have taken criticism. It’s unethical, and in this case might even be illegal, for you to single him out and damage his character and credibility.
What made it worse is that you never came back to the subject of this guy and tried to put any proof to the pudding you made.
“A key person complicit in withholding the report” are your words. If Patrick tells a staffer not to give out a report, the staffer is simply doing his job.
Blame Patrick, but don’t crap on the WGA staffers. The staffers help to hold the WGA together. They are there for all of us WGA members when we call. Not only are they doing their jobs well. But, with cutbacks, they are not doing their jobs and that of others.
The only staffer related complaint should be that Patrick and Elias laid off 20 of them, some who worked there for over a decade, without first telling the members. Some of us would have liked to have said goodbye to people we saw so regularly. Some of us might even have known of jobs for them, or could have provided references and referrals.
But, of course, Patrick thinks the staffers and the WGA members are all there to serve him. When we vote him out, maybe he’ll finally realize that the opposite is true.
Dear Max:
I’m sorry you find my comments embarrassing and insensitive to ALL wGA members. I never met anybody before who spoke for ALL wga members.
All I was called upon was to listen to testimony as to whether Leno was guilty of violating strike rules. It’s about facts.
If you think it’s a ‘big if’ — I would suggest you come forward with your facts. The Guild had plenty of opportunity to present their case that supported your contention and they didn’t or couldn’t do it. Now it’s your turn.
I wasn’t called upon to judge whether he committed other ‘transgressions’ or even whether he’s a good comedian.
It’s nice to know ‘Max’ you never heard of me. I know lots of ‘Max’s’ — how easy it is to spout whatever you want anonymously.
But I totally understand your anger. I came into the process wanting to hang Jay Leno, but then I heard the facts. Had I not been privy to the facts I’d be angry too.
Bill Taub
Now, I understand why some of you still have so much bitterness over the strike. Like me, some of you have barely worked since the strike and are sick of all this business destroying crap that’s gone on. But it seems like some of you are so angry and bitter that you can’t even look at the facts straight.
A WGA Hearing committee cleared Leno. But the board kept it quiet and he stays the villain. Get mad at the leaders. Leno did nothing wrong under WGA rules. You don’t like the rules, try to change them. There’s alot about this situation to get mad at or about. Leno’s not one of them.
As far as insinuating that Leno’s show is mostly written by freelancers, think realistically about how that would work. A joke gets faxed in. Someone’s got to read it and if it’s good someone has to make it fit into the show. That someone is probably one of Jay’s 20 guild writers. Jay can’t just sit by the fax collecting jokes and then go do the show. I’m sure alot more goes into crafting a show than that.
Best of luck
My definition of these posters:
Liberals finally hear the truth and acknowledge the mistakes
right wingers: The facts be damned. we have our own truth.
So… it’s the right wingers who support the Unionists Verrone and Young, and the liberals who side with mega-wealthy Jay Leno and the rule of law?
Holy Christ, I’m a liberal!
wow, how truth is in the eyes of the viewer. Mr. disgruntled viewer as I see it my definition of these posters:
right wingers: finally hear the truth and call it as it is.
Liberals still whine because the truth doesn’t fit their agenda.
I guess that makes about as much sense as yours.
Why does everything have to be political? And of course, everything has to be political to fit the agenda of the particular poster.
Aren’t we supposed to write entertainment???
Well, your scenario works just as well. As for it being political, of course it is. This whole thing is political. That’s the unfortunate reality.
And yes, writers are supposed to write entertainment…………and millions of viewers wish they were!
Bill Taub:
Thank you for your comments, your service, your honesty and your willingness to brave anonymous slings and arrows.
You did a good thing for someone who is, by all rational accounts, a good man.
Thank you.
Exactly…the 10 pm hour is shrinking each and every year, in a few years look for more and more Dateline, PrimeTime Live, you can only push the cops and lawyers crap so far, remember in the 50’s just a few channels existed, now viewers have choices.
WGA…. SAG….. Watch out or you’ll be another UAW.
Max,
I was on the committee with Bill Taub, and can only second his comment that it was one hell of an education. I would recommend that anyone who has the time read the transcripts.
The committee was charged specifically with determining whether or not Jay Leno was guilty of breaking the strike rules. It was, in many ways, like a jury trial. We were instructed to leave our prejudices at the door, and base their decision solely on the evidence being presented in the room. We did. We were there. You were not.
You say there’s a lot of sentiment in the leadership that Leno violated the rules. It was not our job to enforce sentiment. It was our job to determine facts. If those sentiments had been backed up with anything resembling facts, Max, I assure you the outcome would have been quite different.
We were not charged with protecting the good name of writers. We were not charged with carrying out the demands of your rage. We were not charged with making an example of Leno. We were charged with determining the facts, and making a decision based on them. We did.
We came to a unanimous conclusion based on evidence that was presented. You were not there. I don’t give a damn if he’s a friend to the writer or the second coming of Nick Counter. That wasn’t what the committee was charged with determining. I don’t care if he sets fire to kittens or eats babies, or cheats at canasta. We were not being asked to judge any of these things. We were asked to judge whether or not he had violated the strike rules. He did not.
Like Bill, and like you, I walked into it with a strong sense that Leno had scabbed during the strike. Like Bill, and like you, I was out on the lines every single day during the strike, and I heard all the same rumors you did. Like Bill, I walked in with a strong commitment to do right by the process we’d been charged to oversee. Like Bill – and unlike you – I know all the facts that were presented in that room.
The committee was made up of a good cross section of working writers. If we all had one thing in common, it was a passion to do right by our union. When the proceedings were done, we went back into our room, and the question was asked – does anyone here have any doubts at all about their verdict? The answer was no.
As the proceedings went on and on and on, it became clear to all of us that Leno was completely innocent of the charges that had been brought against him. By the time they were done, there was no doubt in anyone’s mind.
I am not qualified to comment on other charges people here want to levy against the man. I don’t know him, I don’t work in TV, and it’s not relevant to the question here. If you think you know something that’s actionable, I suggest you take action. But I AM qualified – more than all but a handful of people – to discuss what happened during this trial, and I can assure you that the Guild’s case against Leno couldn’t hold a drop of water.
In that it was widely known that there was a hearing going on, we demanded that the Guild release the results immediately. Every day that went by after we’d reached our verdict was a day we were all complicit in smearing the name of an innocent man. The board decided against us, and we were told to keep the matter in confidence. Were I in Leno’s shoes, I’d be furious. In an actual trial, you learn the results immediately. I think it’s apalling that Leno wasn’t informed of our decision on the spot. We were told to keep the matter in strict confidence, and we did. For that, I wish to personally apologize to Mr. Leno. For everything else, I stand firm in my conviction that the WGAw owes Jay Leno an apology.
Josh Olson
Bill Taub:
Ignore the haters. Thank you for getting the truth out there. Something that Verrone/Davis don’t seem interested in doing unless forced.
The white background doesn’t show up behind the text, so I can’t read your posts!! Running Internet Explorer 6.0, work comp… ANd when I click into a post, it take a loooong time to load.
Love DHD, but pls get the Jackos at Mail.com to fix, else u gonna start losing readers!!
ok the white bkgd just showed up after I posted a comment!~!!
Verrone may be guilty of using the wrong forum in an attempt to right the numerous attrocities Leno has committed against the Guild over the years. Verrone’s heart appears to be in the right place. This is like the Feds trying to put John Gotti away for the one thing he didn’t do.
Leno is the Teflon Don of Hollywood. My apologies to the Mob for the Leno comparison.
If you read the post by the committee member above, Elias’ name didn’t even come up. Don’t punish him at the ballot box. This should have no bearing on the election. And I say that with an open mind. I lean toward Wells.
First of all: it’s utterly ridiculous to blame Leno for NBC’s decision to cut out 10 PM programming in favor of putting him back on the air. That’s the network’s decision, and it still employs writers. This is like blaming today’s highest-paid screenwriters for the glut of sequels and remakes coming out of the studios. The writers don’t decide which films get made or shows get aired; the companies decide, and then the writers take whatever jobs are available. But sure, let’s keep up the complaining and give the networks even more reason to find ways to eliminate scripted programming from TV.
Second of all: I am not a fan of Jay Leno. I will not be watching the show. I don’t like his humor and I don’t like his politics. I think the last time he was funny was around 1996. (He apparently knows this too, since I saw his stand-up act a few years ago and most of the jokes were from around then.) But what the Guild did here is reprehensible. They tried to have it both ways… publicly act like they were taking Jay to the woodshed, then privately appease him since they didn’t actually have the power or the cojones to do anything. Nikki certainly bears some responsibility for fanning the flames. Her reporting during the strike blurred the line between news and propaganda into oblivion.
The strike rules and their interpretation may be ambiguous, but in the end, Jay, as he always does, made himself the good guy/victim, put his needs ahead of the needs of his writers and his network ahead of his own union. Nowhere was that more evident than on Night #1, when he came and back said words to the effect of “17 people are holding up the jobs of 200 people.” That anyone is apologizing to him now is no less ironic that Dick Cheney’s hunting buddy coming out of the hospital and apologizing for being shot.
Leno found innocent of wrongdoing by his “peers”… So was O.J. Just because you’re found “innocent” it doesn’t make you not guilty. All it means is, “you got off.”
@Max – I don’t get it. The GUILD’S OWN TRIAL COMMITTEE found Leno innocent – said he DIDN’T BREAK ANY STRIKE RULES. When is this going to be good enough for you people? You are literally throwing due process out the window. This sounds like some banana republic dictatorship or something. You want to condemn people even though a trial of our peers found them innocent, and the other guy wants to publish people’s names who were also found innocent -when does it end? And by the way, Bill Taub is a guy who’s had dozens of produced television credits over the years. I don’t know him but a simple trip to IMDB told me that. But this is typical of the vitriol on these boards, particularly by Elias supporters – when rational argument fails, resort to insults and ad hominem attacks.
BTW – I am somebody who likes and respects both sides and hasn’t made up his mind for whom I’m going to vote – but I have to be honest and say that in the vile, offensive, divisive and generally unworthy category, Elias supporters outweigh Wells supporters by about 30 to 1 on these boards. And you do your candidate a huge disservice in the process.
As for @Paint the town Red – your name pretty much says it all, doesn’t it?
Our beloved union is turning into sag – a joke. The amptp won’t have to divide us next time – Verrone et al have already done it.
VOTE THEM OUT!
Thanks Taub for your honest report.
Once again, Leno has proven that he can cheat writers and get away with it. And in doing so, gets the cowardly WGA to apologize to him, the biggest scab of all. He hasn’t written a joke on his own since before he got his TV gig, but did the WGA check that out? Nope, they let him wiggle through the loophole while ripping off hungry freelancers from coast to coast. Then Jay buys off picketers with a couple pieces of pizza. The whole thing is funnier than anything that will ever come out of his mouth, no matter who writes it. Why doesn’t the WGA just dismantle? It’s corrupt.
SD,
Like Bill, I understand the outrage some people here are expressing. As I said, we were charged with looking at the facts and coming to a conclusion based on those. We did. You did not. If you want to believe we came to the wrong decision, that’s your right. However, if you wish to call me corrupt, it would be tad less craven if you’d do it under color of your real name.
You were not there. Quite simply, you do not know what you’re talking about.
I never thought I’d see the day when a member of a Guild committee would apologize to someone like a Jay Leno in such groveling fashion. What are your plans for the weekend, Mr. Traub? Baking a cake for John Ridley?
Let me see if I have the gist of the article. Nikki feels compelled to apologize to Jay Leno because he didn’t break union rules. The same union which gives preferential treatment to one of it’s more powerful members(Leno). Maybe the Jay should not have been judged by his peers but an arbitrator or outside panel with no ties to the Union. The WGA clearing of Leno won’t change public opinion because how they came to their decision also lacks transparency. This is like crooks running the jails , oh wait that is already happening.
Josh and Bill Taub,
My contempt is not directed so much at the verdict, but at the apology. However, re: the verdict, if you examine a tape of Leno’s show from the night in question I’ll bet you’ll find several topical, fresh, days old humorous references in those jokes that were culled from “17 years of doing shows.” You did examine tapes of the shows in question, right? And the remarks about events of the day…? You explain those away how?
I saw the short list of writers the committee did find guilty. They included a non-member, a guy in the Midwest I believe, although it may have been somewhere in the South, struggling to break in. A wannabe. He wrote something during the strike and submitted it. I think you banned him for life, right? Sure, you had no choice, that guy, he was dangerous.
That said, I think John Wells and Elias Davis are both good men, and this whole debate should really matter little. I hate to see others apply their agendas to an event that has little bearing on the election.
Well now, Max, you see here’s the problem when you don’t know the facts. How do I explain it? Very simply…
Mr. Leno said he was up-dating old jokes, he didn’t say he was repeating them. There was even a reference to up-dating an old Bork joke.
Secondly, a video of Jay’s monologue from that first night back was put into evidence — the problem is — we subsequently learned, as has been reported by DHD and elsewhere, that Patric Verrone told Jay he could do it. (He was for it before he was against it.) — So Jay couldn’t possibly have been in violation of anything that first night because he had Guild approval.
You can’t be guilty of something you were told you could do by the people who then want to say you’re guilty. That’s how I explain it.
It’s exactly for questions like these, which I would ask myself if I hadn’t been there, that I have asked the Guild to release the transcript. Or let me go through it and pull out the passages that support the verdict. So far, they refuse to do either.
But keep working it…
@ Comment by Ridiculous — September 8, 2009 @ 10:37 am
Yeah well, don’t toot your horn just yet. The posts were also leaning towards a no to that SAG contract.
“Cheats at canasta” Oh, how I LOVE my writers.
Ok, justaguy, so now anyone that gets cleared is really just “getting off?” Then I guess everyone in prison really is wrongfully accused.
That’s our system, and since we weren’t there, we have to take their word that the evidence supported the outcome. Wouldn’t expect anything less from a seemingly intelligent group of people.
“I never thought I’d see the day when a member of a Guild committee would apologize to someone like a Jay Leno in such groveling fashion”.
Nothing wrong with an aplogy for something SPECIFIC. It’s not acceptance for everything and anything Jay Leno has done with his career. We have the rest of the peanut gallery for those opinions.
Wow – does anyone else care that during the strike Jimmy Kimmel wanted his writers to all go Fi Core? That’s pretty f’d up. Goo – do you have any additional details?
Wow, with all this anger you would think you guys would be funnier…No wonder you’re upset with Jay going to 10. If Jay catches on you’ll never work again.
Max,
No offense, but you truly do not know what you’re talking about. You don’t know what rules Leno was accused of violating, or what the WGA’s MBA covers and does not cover in these matters. Of course we looked at the tape. He openly admitted that he’d written his own material, which was allowed under the AFTRA exception of the MBA. You’re not going to come up with some glaring mistake that we were too stupid to catch, and we’re not going to argue it point by point.
As for the guy from the Midwest, it’s not about being a danger to the Guild. It’s about being a scab.
And as for the apology, what was crystal clear to every one of us – working writers with more combined years of experience in this field than you’ve been alive (unless you’re over 130) was that Leno had been heinously mistreated by his own union in this instance. That you believe to know that he’s a horrible person is irrelevant. In this case, we were looking at a member who’d been severely maligned and mistreated by his own union, and we all felt very strongly that he was due an apology, regardless of what Max who posts anonymously on web pages thinks he knows about Jay Leno’s true character.
Again, have all the contempt you want. But you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Josh Olson writes: He openly admitted that he’d written his own material, which was allowed under the AFTRA exception of the MBA.
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The AFTRA exception was something that was debated during the strike, that most found to either be ambiguous, or unapplicable in this instance. Maybe we should do the trial over with outside arbitrators.
Hooray:
I guess what you’d have to do is prove why it’s not applicable in this instance. We’ve yet to hear those facts.
The Guild lawyers readily admitted there is no precedent for such a case, and to see that it doesn’t happen again, we actually suggested the Guild seek neutral outside counsel to clarify the difference between the AFTRA position and the WGA position, and eliminate the ambiguity — since what the WGA says it says, it doesn’t say. Needless to say, the Guild is not receptive to that idea. I can only conclude they’d rather keep it ambiguous.
bt/
I’m a young writer and union member who strongly supported the strike. Until recently, I also thought that Messrs. Verrone, Bowman, et al. did a great job under very difficult circumstances
I have to say, however, that recent events have shaken my faith. And not because of Jay Leno’s monologues, or who negotiated with the DGA or didn’t, or anything else that happened during the strike. I can only imagine the personal and professional pressure brought to bear on all of them.
It’s not what happened then; it’s what’s happening now. There’s a lot of screaming, personal attacks, and general idiocy being put out there … and most of it is coming from the side that I used to agree with.
I don’t see eye-to-eye with John Wells on a lot of things, and I’m not sure whether the Jay Leno’s disciplinary committee did the right thing … but I do know that in general, they have striven to be respectful professional, rational, and – crucially – unafraid to open their deliberative process to scrutiny and debate.
Contrast that with the present WGA administration’s initial decision to keep the Leno proceedings confidential, or to mischaracterize or hide what happened during the strike negotiations – to say nothing of the posters on this site and elsewhere who yell and scream and wave their pitchforks at Leno or Wells (or Verrone or Bowman on the other side) anyone whose lives or actions challenge their carefully-constructed – and apparently immutable – sense of right and wrong, or righteous indignation.
The populist usurpation of the health care debate at the “town hall meetings” strikes a similar chord. Regardless of your political affiliation, can we not agree that this “debate” is destructive to everyone, and will not lead to the best outcome?
If you lament how such an important issue can be suffocated in the mud at the hands of a few screaming, paranoid, intolerant morons … take a breath in this debate. Because the same thing is happening here.
Do not surrender your passion. Do not stop fighting for what you believe in. But please – show some dignity for yourself, and some respect for others. Without that, we’ll all drown in the swamp.
I’m signing my real name to this as an expression of solidarity with Josh Olson and Bill Taub. I’ve never met either of them, and like I said, I don’t agree with all of their conclusions … but I admire them for coming forward when they didn’t have to; I respect them for striving to be fair-minded and their faith in the facts;
and I am grateful to them for giving their time and energy the union that protects and supports me.
Sincerely,
Seth Resnik
Thanks Seth:
I couldn’t have said it better myself.
I am working now with a gentleman who has taught me a lot about the difference between ‘fact-based analysis’ and ‘faith-based analysis’. Too much of what goes on in the media is ‘faith-based analysis’. (This is what I say — take it on faith — don’t ask me for facts to back up my opinion/conclusion.)
If you hated Jay Leno before this incident, that’s fine. If you hate Jay Leno because of this incident, that’s not so fine.
My goal is not to defend myself so much – is to defend him against the onslaught of people who have an opinion about something they know nothing about.
I could have kept it ‘anonymous’ on my part — but chose not to. I try not to respond to those who post ‘anonymously’…unless they post something of misguided substance.
For the Executive Director of the WGA and several others on the Board to say the whole committee ‘got it wrong’ — and still maintain that is astounding to me. I think they ‘got it wrong’ and use the transcript as my evidence. What are they using for their evidence??? Other than to want you to accept a ‘faith-based analysis’. Remember, the President of the Guild was FOR Jay Leno writing his own monologue before he was against it. And there is no dispute from either side about that.
I also want to reiterate I have no quarter with Elias Davis and don’t want to see this become an election issue for him personally — and think he’s a really dedicated and honest man.
Too much of what goes on today in our country is strictly partisan politics with little or no concern for the facts. I hate to realize that, for some not all, the Guild is no different.
Thanks again for your rational and reasoned approach — and that you were willing to sign your name.
Bill Taub
Thanks Seth:
For your reasoned support.
I am a firm believer in ‘fact-based analysis’ as opposed to ‘faith-based analysis’. It seems to be endemic to the times but too much of the media is conditioning us to accept an analysis on ‘faith’ without asking what ‘facts’ do you have to back up your position.
I was going to stay out of this until it became public and the continual lambasting Jay Leno took by those who haven’t a clue what they’re talking about.
If you hated him before this incident, that’s fine. If you hate him because of this incident, that’s not so fine.
If the reports I hear and read are true, it’s astounding to me that the Executive Director of the Writers Guild and several board members threw us under the bus and still insist we ‘got it wrong’.
I based my conclusion on the facts contained in the transcipt. I have yet to hear what they base their conclusion on — other than to tell me ‘we can’t tell you’, which only feeds the ‘haters’.
As you so astutely point out the only defense the committe has is the transcript.
I’m glad you’ve come forward with such a reasoned response. You give me new hope that the future of the Guild is in good hands.
Bill Taub
Some follow-up questions for Josh and Bill:
(1) Is there a precedent regarding this case that would affect Daily Show and Colbert Report? Because of the finding regarding the Leno monologue, will the WGA not pursue similar claims against Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert?
By the way, I’m not sure if the Guild has even filed any actions against the other two shows. But the issues involved seem like they would be the same (Leno’s monologue vs. Stewart’s opening vs. Colbert’s “The Word”).
(2) If another strike happens, will the Leno decision will have an impact on all Guild-covered talk shows with written comedy?
I know this falls beyond the pure evidentiary issues you were brought in to judge. I’m just curious what your opinion is.
Thanks,
Breen Frazier
Breen:
All good questions. You’re not going to believe the answers. The WGA East and WGA West are two separate unions. Sure we had the same strike rules — but when it comes to enforcement each is independent. The East chose not to discipline any of them. The West chose to discipline Jay. Colbert and Stewart are WGA East members.
As was pointed out during the hearing — had Jay been a member of the WGA East as opposed to WGA West we probably wouldn’t even be having this discussion.
As to the future, one of the recommendations we made was that the differing interpretations of the AFTRA Exception by AFTRA and the present WGA West Administration should be clarified so that there isn’t this kind of misunderstanding again. Jay was advised by AFTRA and his lawyers that the AFTRA exception allowed him to write and perform his own monologue. The legal beagles at the Writers Guild said that was not so. We could find no basis in the text of the exception which is readily found in the Appendix of the MBA to support the WGA West claim.
Since the Guild still maintains their interpretation is correct — even though their own Contracts Lawyer admitted it was badly written so support their interpretation — I find little hope that they will seek some outside legal opinion as to the basis for their interpretation. Garbage in, garbage out.
bt/
Bill Taub,
Your super zealous defense of Mr. Leno, or as you guys constantly refer to him, “Jay” – and Josh Olson’s – come off sounding like a man-crush, an unrequited bromance, or a case of serious star-struck-itis.
I didn’t know until your above post that the E.D. was throwing you under a bus. That gives me new faith in Guild leadership.
And Nikki, don’t you think calling for the termination of the WGA employee is a bit much? I didn’t see anything in your treatise that would warrant that.
You found me out! I’m in love with Jayzeee…
I know fairness is not something you care about that’s why you post anonymously.
It was in Variety about the Executive Editor…so it is public knowledge whether you know it or not.
I’m glad you have new faith in the Guild Leadership. You give me less faith in the membership.
bt/
After reading the deluge of inflammatory comments pro vs. con on DHD, I think many people who’ve been chiming in on this issue in the comments section re: the whole Leno/WGA/strike rules violation didn’t actually get it right. Correct me if I’m wrong, but it’s my own understanding of the WGA’s MBA that the infamous “AFTRA exception” so many have cited which allows TV show hosts to write their own material that they deliver on-air ONLY APPLIES TO HOSTS WHO ARE NOT CREDITED AS WRITERS ON A SHOW. This mean that, since Leno was LISTED FOR YEARS AS A CREDITED WRITER ON THE TONIGHT SHOW, the much-touted “AFTRA exception” clause DOES NOT APPLY TO LENO himself in this case. Bottom line: Leno (as a credited “Tonight Show” writer a well as host on his own show) was, in fact, GUILTY of breaking strike rules during the recent 100-day WGA strike and should have been found GUILTY of strike rules violations, not let off the hook. Case closed. No need for an apology – and I don’t know why the Committee arrived at a different conclusion.
Credited Writer:
Here it is — anybody can look it up
P. 413 – of the MBA – Article 1 – Definitions – Sub-section Article 1.A.5. d
“material written by the person who delivers it on the air unless such person has written for delivery by another person as well as by himself/herself on that particular program…”
Nowhere in the text are there exceptions or clarifications or further interpretations to the above, as to ‘guest shots’ or ‘being a writer on the show’, etc., so it seems pretty clear to us that is precisely what Mr. Leno was doing. And so was not in violation of the AFTRA Exception even as codified in the WGA MBA.
You tell me where it says what you say it says!
It’d be nice if you were gutsy enough to put your name to your ignorance.
bt/
CreditedWriter:
You asked for correction if you were wrong, and I think you’re wrong.
There’s nothing in the MBA provision in question that nullifies it on the basis of writing credit. Indeed, writing credit is *impossible* for a self-written, self-performed monologue, because *it’s not considered literary material*, and credit is for literary material only.
As such, Leno could be credited for his other writing work on the show (sketch ideas written with other writers or for other performers on the show, or co-written monologues, which *are* considered literary material), and still, his purely self-written, self-performed monologues would not be literary material.
I don’t know who told you otherwise, but I see no basis in the MBA for the claim you’re making, nor is there an historical basis from prior strikes, nor do I think your interpretation would hold up in a court of law.
If the Guild lawyers bothered to make this claim during Leno’s trial, it obviously didn’t hold up in front of a jury of writers.
Thanks Craig:
What the Executive Director of the Guild and several of the Board members have done is try and discredit the witness for the defense — a lawyer who helped draft the Exception back in 1981 — and made the same analysis as you did.
In sticking to their guns that we ‘got it wrong’ they are saying he was a stooge for the defense and we fell under his spell — or some such thing. Having no use for facts — such as you pointed out. Or that there was a Prosecuting Attorney from the Guild who could have debunked his testimony — if indeed it was debunkable. But we ‘got it wrong’. .
Since the Guild is unwilling to admit they got it wrong their is little hope of them fixing it. Or clarifying it.
And I do apologize to CreditedWriter for getting a little snarky. I get impatient with ‘anonymity’ where I feel you can say anything.
bt/
If David Young says you got it wrong, you probsbly did.
Thanks Will — and what facts do you have to back up that up???
Oh, that’s right, you don’t need facts — just hang the bugger.
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt — it was late at night and you didn’t know what you were talking about.
I’m baffled as to why anyone who could easily just read the AFTRA exception would come online and assert that it says something it doesn’t. I suppose it’s much easier and happier to make assertions in anonymous ignorance than to take thirty seconds to inform yourself.
By the way, we didn’t defend Leno. His attorney did. We acquitted him. The only thing we’ve defended here was our decision.
Words have meaning, Credited Writer.
Will,
“If David Young says you got it wrong, you probsbly did.”
In the same article in which David Young calls us morons, he also defines the AFTRA exception as follows: “a clause in the WGA agreement that governs whether or not on-air performers who also write material, like Leno, are required to become WGA members and obey strike rules.”
Here’s the AFTRA exception.
“Article 1.A.5. The first sentence defining the term “literary material” shall include “telescripts,” and the following shall be added: Notwithstanding the foregoing, the following shall be excluded from the definition of literary material:
d. material written by the person who delivers it on the air unless such person has written material for delivery by another person as well as by himself/herself on that particular program; provided that, unless elsewhere herein excluded, the following shall not be excluded: Such material written for any dramatic programs, and such material written for comedy-variety programs broadcast in prime time on a basis of once-a-week or less unless the material was completely written for another purpose prior to such person’s engagement.”
Interesting. Doesn’t say a damn thing about becoming a Guild member.
The trial transcripts are under lock and key, but this stuff is easily accessible to any reasonably bright nine year old. Personally, I like to know what I’m talking about before I start badmouthing someone publicly.
But hey, that’s just me.
Bill Taub,
Many writers would probably feel more comfortable had the decision been made by committee members who know the proper use of their vs. there.
Nikki – Love the new graphics.
Thanks, Markus.
That’s why I’m a screenwriter and not a novelist.
Oh – your punctuation after Nikki is wrong. A capital is incorrect.
But I commend you for using yours or somebody’s name.
bt/
Bill:
I talk to a lot of screenwriters from all sorts of backgrounds and political points of view. Militants, moderates, TV, movies, rich, poor, A-list, rookies, comedy, drama…
No one, and I mean *no one* I’ve spoken with, is siding with David Young against you guys on this. Not one person yet.
By “person” I mean “actual human with a name who is accountable for their opinion.”
So fear not. They make have tried to throw you under the bus (and sadly, you’re not the first writer they’ve targeted), but it’s been a total failure on their part.
Thanks Craig:
But it’s not just me. I know he didn’t ask for my help — but I also know how badly Jay Leno felt about all this stuff. So, part of me also feels like I’d like to help clear the air about this incident for him.
He did make a comment to me which I felt terrible about, that he felt he’d never be able to walk into the WGA Building again.
If you hated hime before, that’s fine. If you hate him because of this, that’s not so fine.
Bill Taub
Bill, Craig, et al.
Thanks for clarity and setting me str8.
When I get bigger credits, I’ll list my name.
You don’t need any credits at all to stand up and be counted. Your opinion counts — anonymously it doesn’t. Good luck getting those credits. I look forward to finding out who you really are…
bt/
I take tremendous exception to Craig Mazim’s comment above. ALL I’m hearing is criticism of the committee’s decision. Every WGA writer I’ve spoken with disagrees sharply with Taub’s apology and the committee’s decision.
And stop painting this as just David Young calling you out. Other board members did, too. Board members who are respected for their years of service. Board members who don’t begin and end every post directed at fellow guild members as “You don’t know what you’re talking about.”
Brush up on the people skills, Bill.
Thanks Markus for the lesson in people skills.
For that very reason I have asked for the transcript to be released. Let everybody judge for themselves.
You’ve told me to brush up on my grammar and my people skills. I’m asking you to brush up on your facts.
I’m only asking one thing from you and the rest of the people you speak to who disagree with the verdict. What are the facts in the sworn testimony contained in the transcript you are basing that ‘guilty as charged’ assessment on.
You continue to ignore that question.
If you or anybody else you talk to can’t do that then ‘you don’t know what you’re talking about’ —
bt/
Markus,
“And stop painting this as just David Young calling you out. Other board members did, too. ”
Really? Where?
Because, see, the only person in the article who “called us out” was David Young, and in the same paragraph, he offered a definition of the AFTRA exception that isn’t even accurate. The article doesn’t quote any other board members calling us out.
Also, unlike you, we’ve spoken to the board, face to face. Many of them were supportive of our verdict and continue to be so.
I know it’s silly for any of us to keep getting sucked into this stupidity, but honestly, it’s fascinating to me. It cannot possibly have escaped your notice that Bill and I inarguably know more about this situation than you do, yet you keep making assertions that have no basis in anything save your own inchoate rage. Do you think if you keep saying this stuff over and over and over it’ll just come true magically?
Let me know how that works out for ya.
For the purposes of ‘full disclosure’, I will say that other board members also believe we ‘got it wrong’. I know who many of them are. I didn’t mention them by name because the article didn’t mention them by name.
But I offered them the same challenge: What facts are you basing your decision on? Show me in the transcript the passages that support your opinion. Needless to say, none of them have. Including David Young. And none of them have probably even read the transcript. They prefer to fall back on the iconic ‘O.J’ concept.
Which is a total red herring. If anybody wants to make the claim that a verdict can be wrong like with O.J. — I point out to them that the O.J. trial was totally open. It was televised. Everybody saw the evidence that was presented. The witnesses that testified. The lawyers who did or didn’t screw up. And a multiplicity of commentary from the media DURING the trial.
In this case, those offering a judgement, such as Markus, know the charge and the verdict, that’s it. Which is why, unless they know everything in between, they don’t know what they’re talking about.
But thanks, Josh — loved your article in the Village Voice — it’s become viral — this is Josh Olson week on DHD…you certainly know how to give smack-down —
bt/
Bill and Josh… Was there anyone on your committee who has worked on talk shows? It’s impossible for any host, with all their other duties, to do what usually takes 8-10 writers writing 250 jokes for the host to cherry pick the best 25. And do it five days a week? Even more impossible. Like hitting .800, all home runs.