Part I: SAG/AFTRA/AMPTP Overview: Calm Down. There Will Be No Strike Sequel.
PART II: The Details That The Moguls Don't Want You To Know
Every time I think of the way that Hollywood handles its guild negotiations, I'm reminded of that Jurassic Park 2 scene where Jeff Goldblum warns everybody: "Oooh, ahhh -- that's how it always starts. Then later there's running and screaming." That happened even before the writers went out on strike for 100 days. And it's happening now to the actors.
As soon as the striking Writers Guild went back to work, the Hollywood moguls and Screen Actors Guild secretly held their first confabs. In late February, SAG national president Alan Rosenberg and national executive director Doug Allen had a meet-and-greet with Disney CEO Bob Iger. Then, the guild duo agreed to confer again with Iger plus News Corp No. 2 Peter Chernin (the pair credited with back-channelling their way to a WGA strike settlement). This was exactly what SAG leadership had told members they would do: hold informal get-togethers with the moguls to lay groundwork for formal bargaining.
But the March 3rd sitdown didn't go well. As a source told me, "When the SAG guys said they're not going to accept the DGA or WGA deal and want to renegotiate DVDs and New Media, Peter said, 'Then I guess we have nothing to talk about.'" Rumors immediately spread that the "two Allens" had blown it by being hotheads. SAG tried to set the record straight. "The tone and tenor is completely false. There was no hyperbolic rhetoric. Conversations were cordial and constructive."
It was then that the Hollywood CEOs came to a collective decision about how to proceed with the SAG negotiations. Had the Big Media managers been interested in a quick settlement, they would have agreed that Chernin and Iger go back to backchannel bargaining. Instead, the moguls decided to change up the way they would conduct the contract talks for Hollywood's biggest union: they decided to hand the negotiations back over to their AMPTP. In other words, back to Nick Counter for his last hurrah as the cartel's negotiator, and back to the studios' and networks' labor lawyers who had grown increasingly restless for more control over the process. In fact, several moguls have admitted to me that, since then, they haven't even bothered to read the memos that their labor lawyers file each week. "I told my people, 'Don't bother me unless there's a breakthrough,' " one studio bigwig informed me.
The result is that Counter and this crew have been running every facet of the SAG-AMPTP negotiations right now. Little wonder that they're stalemated. And the moguls have been content to view the status of the talks through their reps' prism, no matter how skewed. In fact, one studio boss didn't even give it a second thought when he received a late April memo from his labor negotiator that warned, "We believe that if a deal can be made with SAG without a strike, the earliest we'll conclude it will be July 15th."
Frustrated, Doug Allen met four weeks ago with Bob Iger and CBS boss Les Moonves in the Disney honcho's NYC office. There were some discussions of issues like New Media, product placement, clips consent for New Media, and DVD residuals. But the message conveyed by the moguls was a deliberate brush-off, according to both sides, along the lines of: "Guys, let the process continue. The CEOs are not going to get involved unless its June 24th and everyone is close to a deal. Then they'd roll up their sleeves. But they need to hear that or else they don't plan on getting involved." A SAG source found the implication "disturbing", and even more so when AFTRA breezed through its talks with the AMPTP and reached a deal in a scant 17 days. It was deja vu writers strike all over again, only this time AFTRA was playing the DGA's role and SAG the WGA's.
So the Two Allens went to visit the different moguls in their corporate enclaves. Once again, the SAG leaders' request for the Hollywood CEOs to get involved in the talks fell on deaf ears. As a mogul explained to me, "We did AFTRA in the room. We did the DGA in the room. It's the preferable way of doing it. That's what their job is. This is not supposed to be done by us per se."
Word leaked out to the media about SAG's June 2nd meeting at Sony Pictures Entertainment in particular, and a studio spokesman issued this statement, "There was a frank and cordial exchange of views, and we said how important it was to the industry that a deal be reached as soon as possible. And the best way to do that is by negotiating with the AMPTP, so we hope everyone's energies can be focuse in that direction."
At Sony, Rosenberg and Allen sat down with SPE chairman Michael Lynton, considered a moderate among the moguls, and Jean Bonini, seen as a militant among the labor lawyers. Among the points made by the Two Allens were their extreme disappointment that the moguls decided to negotiate first with smaller AFTRA and leave bigger SAG hanging. Lynton expressed disapproval at SAG's intent to oppose the AFTRA contract. "Our view was that the best place to focus their energies would be in the AMPTP negotiations," a Sony insider told me.
And when Rosenfeld and Allen this time asked the moguls to get individually involved because the AMPTP seemed to be engaged in delaying tactics, the SAG duo were turned down cold. "This was not in any way a separate negotiation," a source explained. "It's a one-time courtesy meeting and no others are expected." When told that strategy would lead to a longer de facto strike, not a shorter one, the moguls exhibited no sense of urgency. Called on that by the SAG pair, Lynton turned angry and pounded the table with one hand, 'Do you think I like having my production facilities idle?"
All the more reason it came as a huge surprise to SAG leaders when, on June 18th, a story on the Variety website was posted under the headline, "Chernin, Iger May Resume SAG Roles." Doug Allen immediately reached out to Iger and left the CEO a message asking whether it was an invitation. Iger called him back five days later and reiterated that the moguls were not getting involved this time around. ("That Variety story was just flat-out wrong," another Big Media bigwig told me. Not surprising since its author Dave McNary kept writing untrue articles during the WGA strike.)
In fact, Iger and Allen had a prickly conversation. I'm told that Iger said, "Why don't you just take what the writers and directors took." To which Allen responded, "Just because we're the last ones at the table doesn't mean we don't get our turn at the table. Actors have particular issues that are not dealt with in the DGA or WGA deals or because we cover 100% of motion picture actors."
There have been no mogul/Allens communication since, I'm told.
So right now the studios and networks claim to be counting on its AMPTP negotiators even though, during the starting day of the AMPTP-SAG official negotiations, "the first thing that came out of Nick Counter's mouth was, 'These proposals are unreasonable. Well, I guess you'd better prepare for a strike.' "
Before talks began, the dilemma for the AMPTP all during the writers strike had been the incessant murmuring throughout Hollywood to "Wait for SAG". Because as the biggest and most powerful Hollywood union, SAG earnings over the last three years of its 2005-2008 TV/theatrical contract is more than $4 billion in earnings to actors. Somehow the AMPTP had to undermine the union's strength. The employers' cartel found a willing and ambitious collaborator, AFTRA. whose total earnings over the last 3 years on the same contract totaled only $40 million. (FYI: no one officially from AFTRA has yet to email me disputing this figure or any of my reporting.)
Whatever AFTRA negotiated or didn't negotiate should have been a mere afterthought. Instead, the AMPTP and AFTRA (both of whose statements to members and media at times have been nearly identical) claimed that the smaller union's tentative deal should be the template for SAG in these negotiations. "On what planet? Well, one where AFTRA wants to undercut SAG rates and sell out actors to secure more jurisdiction," one SAG insider bitches. "For all the cries that SAG is the membership first guild, AFTRA's weak deal makes it the producers choice. SAG really is the only true union actors have. The AMPTP's strategy is to make AFTRA a low-cost union alternative."
Of course, the moguls tell me they won't exploit AFTRA's new contract to give it preference over SAG for jurisdiction over new TV shows. Oh, puh-leeze. "I suppose we could. It's doubtful. But it could happen. I don't see us trying to stick it to SAG. But it is in our rights to do that," one network honcho mused to me. If that starts to happen, SAG pledges to switch into "super high-outreach mode'". It doesn't help that the AMPTP walked away from the table in May in order to make a deal with AFTRA. Few people know that, when talks were resumed between the two sides after the enforced hiatus, the AMPTP refused to even offer the big actors guild either the WGA deal or the AFTRA deal. Instead, the Big Media cartel forced SAG to negotiate up from ground zero for weeks on end so that only as of now is the lousy AFTRA deal even close to being on the table. How is that fair pattern bargaining?
"Since returning to bargaining with SAG, the employers have dragged everything out in order to slow the pace of negotiations while furiously dialing the media to background them on how the SAG team is not taking it seriously," a SAG source tells me. "Doug and Alan are really just disappointed in these people that they're truly are so juvenile. They're not willing to even make the deal they made in the past. Why does the union submit to this process when it's such a colossal waste of time? These weeks have been just what anyone might expect: so completely predictable, so unoriginal, and so boring. And there's no one in authority at AMPTP to make a deal."
SAG insists it has made concessions on a number of terms and will tweak some more. The biggest surprise came three weeks into the process when SAG agreed to withdraw its demand to double residuals from DVD sales and instead ask for what would effectively be a 15% hike in DVD pay. But SAG complains that the AMPTP has not made counterproposals to SAG's proposals. "Truly, they have not tried to negotiate at all," a SAG board member gripes. "Obviously, their only job description is 'Don't make a deal.' "
While Nick Counter's methodology is to craftily and contemptuously maneuver the unions into negotiating against themselves and taking issues off the table just for the promise of AMPTP bargaining, he and the other reps go on and on inside the talks about how there's nothing they'd like more than to be partners with SAG. To which a SAG board member responded to him one day, "There's nothing about what you've done over the last 3 years that suggest you want to be partners."
The AMPTP also constantly makes comparisons during the talks between actors cira 1997 and 2007 in terms of earnings. But that sparks SAG to snark, "Are you now going to announce how much the corporations made in 1997 versus what they made in 2007?"
SAG leadership, rightly or wrongly, have refused to go public with their many complaints during much of the negotiations with the AMPTP. However, the moguls keep using the mainstream media and the trades as its mouthpieces. So both sides sit down together and try to bargain, but it's the AMPTP's news claiming SAG is stalling that gets play. The AMPTP also sends out stealth press releases bashing SAG. This tactic was used on the WGA as well. Most recently, SAG and the AMPTP sat in negotiations going over the guild's new media proposals which SAG had just changed. "And no one even made mention of the press release brutally badmouthing SAG. To get around the media blackout, the AMPTP sent it to company members and didn't put it on website," the actors guild member recalled.
Still, overt acrimony is being kept to a minimum, so the mood is outwardly cordial. Much of that is due to the personality of Doug Allen, whose even temper and friendly demeanor is disarming to Nick Counter. Despite his encyclopedic command of contract minutiae and his physically imposing size dominating the proceedings, Allen "knows when to stand down and let others handle areas that are their expertise" like John McGuire, SAG's senior advsor based in New York whose specialty is product integration. "That confidence comes from Doug dealing with the NFL on multi- multi-million dollar contracts."
However, the WGA's Dave Young was a far better labor organizer. The actors have yet to use YouTube effectively for their side, which the WGA did so cunningly, or many of the other PR weaponry available to the communications-savvy . For instance, there's only been one big SAG solidarity rally -- and that was demeaned as little more than the debut of its anti-ratification Down With AFTRA drum-beating. Nor have the actors turned the New Media boasts of the Hollywood CEOs and their Big Media parents against them.
SAG also has not adequately explained to members what the guild sees as its leverage opportunities now. SAG has long felt that pressure from within the shutdown movie industry would beat the AMPTP. Because if this is drawn out by employers, then some Oscar-worthy films may not be completed in time to screen them for the Academy Awards.
But probably no single planned event had more impact to end the WGA strike than when both SAG and the WGA planned to meet with CBS institutional investors and complain. Here's what happened: CBS Inc boss Les Moonves had an off-the-record dinner during the strike he later described to pals as "extremely pleasant and productive" with WGA leaders Patric Verrone and David Young at the Four Seasons Hotel in Beverly Hills. A few days later, the mogul returned to NY only to discover that Young had helped organize a conference to talk to CBS institutional investors about how much the strike was costing and how much the corporation was losing as a result. "David, we just had a terrific dinner. This will not be helpful to bring in the investor community and tell them your side. I'm asking you to call it off," Moonves said in an urgent phone call to Young. The guild executive director would only cancel the meeting if Moonves pledged to pressure the rest of the moguls for a quick end to the strike. Moonves did, and Chernin and Iger got the media credit. Blackmail is a sound strategy that SAG could use on the Big Media companies this time around.
In addition, the big actors guild can try to leverage Big Media's hefty force majeure liability payments ranging from $10M to $60M per company left over from the writers strike and still owed to SAG, which has offered to engage in reasonable settlement talks with the AMPTP only if progress on the contract is made. "It's a huge liability that the companies are worried about," a SAG board member explained. "The employers reneged on the collective bargaining agreement and even changed the language in the contract. But our attorneys have been winning arbitrations on most of these issues."
So the sooner the moguls take over their contract talks with SAG, the sooner all of Hollywood can get back to work.


Once again Hollywood’s famous “Deal-makers” show the world they don’t know how to make real deals.
Do negotiations need to take place at Spago or the Ivy for a deal to be done?
Maybe.
Until I read this, I would have voted “no” on any strike authorization vote, but now, a strike has my complete and entusiastic support.
I pledge also to take an active and vocal role in any efforts to replace the traiterous leadership at my other collective bargaining association, AFTRA.
Well, either Nikki is a paid shill for SAG, or, the “scotts” the “notgoingtotips” the “pat skippers” who’ve been foghorning all over this blog are DEAD WRONG. This post didn’t excite me in the way the first one did. It depressed me. Why? Because it confirms what’s in my gut about this whole dog and pony show: AFTRA is the AMPTP’s bitch, sucking up to the suits in their desperation to undercut SAG to get a bigger piece of the pie. Their actions are INEXCUSABLE. That they would have the BALLS to threaten SAG with labor tampering for SAG calling them out on their weaselly contract is laughable, the truth is, apparently, the other way around. Somewhere down the line, I bet SAG sues the living shit out of AFTRA for THEIR collusion and destructive tactics. And the AMPTP? Well, does anyone want to continue to make a serious argument that these aren’t just ugly people, who have zero regard for the legitimate needs of the middle class actor, or their representatives at SAG? Instead, they come off like a bunch of ass-licking, star-fuckers who are actively hoping to use idiot boy AFTRA to break SAG, and get their ultimate goal: cheap labor – SAG’s wage, working condition and pension and health progress built up over the last 75 years, broken on the rocks of a devious set of AFTRA operatives willing to allow themselves to be used as pawns because they are too goddamm STUPID to see they’re being played. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. This is damning stuff folks. I agree with Nikki that, apparently out of a concern to keep it above board and professional, SAG has not used the dirty tactics the AMPTP and AFTRA have been all-too-willing to employ. My fear is they got started too late after having to wait for their sister union, AFTRA, to stab them in the back. But, any SAG/AFTRA dual card holder who votes YES on the AFTRA contract after reading this in good conscience, well, that’s a serious bottom feeder move. SAVE SAG – VOTE NO ON THE AFTRA DEAL.
“Blackmail is a sound strategy that SAG could use on the Big Media companies this time around.”
This is the only language moguls understand, SAG. Use it. Bravo to David Young for using the institutional investors as leverage to get the moguls to talk seriously. Formalities and pleasantries are window-dressing. The producers are great at it. Everyday folks aren’t. This can’t continue. We need to wise up and play the game.
As an actor who just wrapped a film (that we marathoned through to beat the end of the contract) I am frustrated by the high handed manner of the AMPTP in general. It is true that they did not offer us a contract, it is true that they are uninterested in being fair but in restarting the entire negotiating process as if we were just organizing SAG for the first time. But here’s the newsflash: THEY ARE STARTING OVER. the new media landscape is going to subsume all manner of distribution be it broadcast through cable, the internet or satellite, everything will soon be streamed via internet addresses. If that distribution model is not brought in line with the existing contracts and some version of a raise for actors, we will watch the profession die. As it is now, few actors can make a living as actors and sustain their families on the meager pay of ‘minimums’ which are realistically now maximums for Guest Star work and the like.
The whole town is praying we don’t strike; but that weapon may have to be on the table for the producers to take our modest demands seriously. In no place has SAG asked for anything outrageous. Look at how little we are paid for our performances as they sell DVD’s in the millions. See how little the average SAG performer makes per year. And we are not, yet, totally replaceable by computers. Perhaps we should start to have meetings with the institutional investors and remind them of the carnage from the writer’s strike. And then point out that we are larger than WGA. See how they like the idea of another work stoppage and a declining rate of return. That time is probably now.
We wouldn’t even here entertaining the prospect of yet another work stoppage if the WGA had held out for a decent deal.
But no, the WGA caved after being fucked over by the DGA and then the WGA leadership being pressured by show runners to take the crappy DGA deal and sell it to the membersheep or else they’d go fi-core.
So here we are, eight months after the start of the WGA strike, with production probably shutting down again because issues that should have been ironed out six months ago weren’t.
The real villains in this are of course the AMPTP, the DGA and AFTRA, but the writers have to ask themselves how much sense does it make to give show runners and “A List” screenwriters so much power within the WGA.
In a sense, they are the Tom Hankses and Jack Nicholsons of their guild, the relative few who don’t work for scale plus residuals, but stood to make millions by settling early and getting back on the job ASAP. They ain’t the rank and file, and their interests aren’t those of regular working writers.
Dear Mr. Wakely,
Just cause Nikki sez it’s true, doesn’t mean it’s true. SAG’s leadership is appallingly inept. The AMPTP is doing what they do. Big suprise. But let’s continue to blame AFTRA. And the AMPTP. And the DGA. And the WGA. Blame them all. It couldn’t be SAG’s fault, after all they’re actors.
Dear David Welker,
Since you don’t appear on IMDB, I guess it doesn’t really matter what you do with your imaginary ballot.
there is enough hot air on both sides of the issue to float a dozen Hindenbergs.
First of all there are no “moguls” any longer. A mogul OWNS. The people you call moguls are just employees. Secondly, I personally have always gone out of my way to try to support the actor in negotiations, to take the side of the raise they’re asking for, or at least meet a quote even when it’s more than a role is budgeted for, arguing to find the extra money somewhere else in the budget, etc.–often putting my own neck out. I won’t any longer. What SAG is doing to the people of this business (and city) is horrible. There is now a tipping point of ill will that we’ve past.
I voted No on the AFTRA deal. And SAG needs to stop being so fucking nice. These AMPTP motherfuckers don’t care..SAG needs to use anything and everything available to them to get it done.
Interesting–SAG has a right to pick the other sides negotiators. Do they moguls have a right to demand that Tom Hanks & George Clooney negotiate for SAG?
I’m sorry Nikki, but this seems like a diversion. Iger, Chernin, et al are Counter’s boss. Counter is doing what he is told. If SAG can’t make a deal with Counter, they can’t make a deal with the people telling Counter what to do.
Imagine what you’d think if Iger & Counter were running around saying that Rosenberg & Allen are the problem and Hanks, Clooney et al need to take direct control of the negotiations. You’d write–correctly, IMO–that this is stupid, you don’t get to pick the other side’s negotiators, stop stalling and sit down and get back to working out a deal.
Anyone who claims that replacing Counter et al with CEOs is the key to getting an agreement need to explain why replacing Rosenberg & Allen with Clooney & Hanks wouldn’t get an agreement even quicker.
After all, Iger, Moonves, Chernin et al are NOT going to offer anything more than “what the writers and directors took” even if they did take over for counter.
Who the AMPTP negotiators are is simply a diversion.
It still seems clear, even through Nikki’s particularly ideological lens, that SAG couldn’t negotiate their way out of a paper bag. This article describes almost nothing but labor blunders and labor begging. Where is the hard nosed productive negotiating? For God’s sake where are the well-paid and experienced labor negotiators in all this?
Okay, others have said this but…is everyone fully cognizant of the fact that SAG is letting actors run this negotiation?
Nick Counter, for all is faults, is a highly experienced, tough, PROFESSIONAL negotiator. He is not trying to be liked. He doesn’t care. This is his JOB. He was not elected, he is not doing this as a second career! For all the love we may have of the Guild for whatever reasons…this is lambs to the slaughter.
I was told that the reason we didn’t see the biggest actors on the picket lines during the WGA strike was that SAG was saving them and their medi-grabbing powers for their own strike.
Now is the time to use them. Look what the writer/actors of The Office did with their quick Youtube clip. Follow their lead but with beloved celebrities (that means you, Mr. Hanks) and get America on your side. Don’t wait!
I am forced to point out here that this update does not mention the stalling being done by SAG in the process while waiting to see if the attack on the AFTRA contract will be successful. I totally agree that the AMPTP side has been dragging its feet in the hope that the AFTRA contract will be ratified and become a fait accompli. But the story is not complete without the stalling going on by the other side of the table.
Further, SAG has certainly issued its own proclamations on the situation to its members and to others publicly, at rallies and town hall meetings. To say that they’ve been studiously silent while the AMPTP cheats and badmouths them is simply not accurate. BOTH sides have been finding ways to get around the news blackout to get “their” version out.
The strategy taken by Alan Rosenberg and Doug Allen, of waiting to the 11th hour rather than negotiating early, of attempting to add back in contract conditions that no other guild could achieve, and of attacking another guild’s contract rather than focusing on its own talks, has unfortunately backfired. We’re now in a situation where it does not appear that SAG can summon even a majority vote to authorize a strike, which is why no such vote has been called.
Further, it should also be noted that while Nicholas Counter is reported to have said that the SAG demands were unreasonable, I understand that he also told the gathered board members in the room “We will make a deal.” This was not a simple act of contempt for the other side, nor was it an ultimatum or a dare. He was saying that the initial contract demands wouldn’t all survive into the contract, but at the same time he qualified that with the additional assurance that a contract was indeed possible and makeable.
Finally, it should be noted that the WGA strike was not ended because the WGA somehow managed to “blackmail” the AMPTP. It was ended when Patric Verrone and David Young admitted to their members that they couldn’t get much farther with the AMPTP even if they struck all the way into July to meet up with SAG. And their feeling was that the additional four months of pickets would not achieve enough to justify the damage that would be done to WGA members, not to mention everyone else in the business. The impact of the health coverage fiasco at the WGA was also a major part of the momentum toward ending the strike. (Members had been assured that their coverage would not be interrupted by the strike because “the clock will stop”, according to what David Young told members at the meeting before the strike was called. When this turned out to be false, one wave of writers faced losing their benefits on April 1, and a much bigger wave faced loss of benefits as of July 1. The math on that basic mistake cannot be underestimated.)
I truly wish that we could tell the story of these labor difficulties in terms of simple heroes and villains. But that just isn’t the way the business works, and it isn’t the world we live in. Ironically, that world only exists on the television and cinema screens, as created by the very people involved in the current situations.
“The actors have yet to use YouTube effectively for their side, which the WGA did so cunningly, or many of the other PR weaponry available to the communications-savvy. For instance, there’s only been one big SAG solidarity rally — and that was demeaned as little more than the debut of its anti-ratification Down With AFTRA drumbeating.”
Nikki, I fail to see what the YouTube videos, the Speechless videos, pencil collecting, skytyping, etc. accomplished in the WGA strike. Things like that just show the lack of focus or progress in negotiations.
SAG’s “contract rally” was nothing more than guild masturbation. SAG can’t make progress on contract negotiation, so they want to engage in a bitchfest with the equally eager to bitch AFTRA.
AMPTP dictates every portion of the negotiation process, because if it knows that if it only stalls a little, the guild negotiating with it becomes restless and goes off on some time-wasting YouTube video production tangent.
FOCUS, SAG!
Mrs. Wakely,
I guess anyone can interpret this any way they want. I get a completely different take on Nikki’s article. I see this as a failure by SAG to sidestep the obvious traps that were laid. Instead, they walked right into them even KNOWING that this is exactly what the AMPTP did before.
No matter how it came to pass, AFTRA not being in Phase 1 negotiations is the reason we are here.
Listening to this board, it’s easy to see that AFTRA is truly hated by some (and I mean despised, which is very sad), despite being 60% SAG members. This is also the view of the SAG leadership. That hate by the current leadership pushed AFTRA out on it’s own. And that is WHY we are here. The AMPTP exploited this. It was a gift that all actors will pay for.
There were numerous attempts by SAG to change the rules of Phase 1 (Nikki reported it here as well) to minimze AFTRA’s input. Then (as also reported here and elsewhere) the SAG Board would not GUARANTEE it would not pull out of Phase 1 once the negotiations began and negotiate without AFTRA. AFTRA asked for that guarantee to ensure they weren’t abandonded, and it doesn’t seem that unreasonable.
The bottom line is too much time and money is being spent FIGHTING EACH OTHER. I personally hope that AFTRA ratifies the contract and SAG goes back to the table in earnest to get the best deal it can get. SAG says it has all the work, in theory it should have all the clout. They don’t need to keep beating on AFTRA.
I guarantee there is no earnest negotiating going on right now. None will start until after AFTRA ratification is decided one way or the other. If it’s voted down, SAG gets more militant from it take over coup of AFTRA and we look at a continued failure of negotiation that very well could lead to a strike.
If it’s voted in, SAG has to do what they should have done from the begining – NEGOTIATE.
A quote from Doug Allen several months ago “When unions compete with different contract terms, actors lose. It starts a race to the bottom that SAG doesn’t want to win.”
Well, that’s where SAG is by attacking and minimizing AFTRA. What did SAG think? That AFTRA would just lay down and let SAG walk all over them?
The playbook was laid out in advance and SAG failed to read it. I can’t say that I have great faith in the next plays that they may make.
Doesn’t what SAG is doing right now actually make their position much stronger. They’ve essentially created a work slowdown without even having to threaten a strike. If they choose to continue to operate under the current contract, they can do this for months, freezing the studios ability to greenlight projects while still working in TV production, thus dividing the Studios and the Networks. All with the full knowledge that they can make whatever deal they do come to retroactive to now.
To the members of the WGA: One hand washes the other and we NEED your help now. SAG brought down the Golden Globes and it is my understanding that Alan Rosenberg personally called actors asking them not to attend. It was this action that really helped to end the strike. The mighty and ever so sacred Oscars went on.
WE NEED YOU !!!!!
If you have a voice in which contract to take for your shows: PLEASE CHOOSE THE SAG CONTRACT. We helped you get your deal now help us preserve ours.
Peggy Lane O’Rourke
Here’s a solution: give SAG members a bigger piece of new media, dvds and residuals and somehow build in to the contracts something that prohibits one or two stars making 10-60 million dollars a picture. How the hell can people expect movie studios not to stick it to the small guy when people like Tom Cruise, Julia Roberts, Reese Witherspoon, Chris Tucker, et. al. make truckloads of money no matter how a movie does?
There’s no question that SAG wouldn’t be in this position had they not been sodomized by AFTRA, but AFTRA wouldn’t even have known “where to put it” without the shining example of the DGA screwing over the WGA.
The DGA-holes unequivocally gave the AMPTP its playbook for the SAG negotiations.
It isn’t blackmail to point out to the stockholders of an AMPTP company that the current officers are putting at risk the world’s biggest group of aligned talent just at a time when it is easier than ever for that talent to produce and distribute their own high quality internet media through the exact same wires that AMPTP would.
And you are wrong to think SAG actors haven’t put the new media to use although SAG hasn’t linked to it for whatever reason.
I did it for the WGA with my metacafe production
The Writer’s Cause
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/924338/the_writers_cause/
which I will probably recut for the SAG AFTRA cause
and other actor’s in the union have made videos some of which can be seen at http://www.vivzizi.com
The truth is the new internet media streams which will likely replace not augment traditional TV has much less barrier to entry than old media therefore actor’s need the studios LESS not more. Therefore actor’s share of that media should be MORE not less than for traditional media. unlike DVD’s there are no returns or cost of distributed media production on internet streams and you don’t need to split your ad spots with the local TV station owner.
Additionally new media distribution costs AMPTP LESS than traditional media since they only pay for streaming and they don’t need to own TV stations or cable systems to reach anywhere in the WORLD.
For all these reasons the AMPTP should be coming to actor’s with open arms to retain their associations with the names that draw audiences while offering offering a revenue sharing model that would increase the profits for ALL parties – actors AND AMPTP. Instead we see AMPTP officers who grew up in the old world of media not realizing they are hastening their own demise by pushing both writers and actors away exactly at a time when it has never been easier for writers and actors to self produce and distribute straight to everyone’s big giant movie theater replacing widescreen HD TV.
Google has already made direct deals with the “Family Guy” creator.
How much more talent will the AMPTP push away before realizing they are ensuring their own demise?
Actors welcome a quick deal that shares a larger – not smaller – portion of new media profit and or revenue with actors as studio costs for the new shows are less to make and distribute. No one wants to get off the lazy familiar ride that has been the studio system, but the AMPTP is forcing actors to build their own cars and soon the AMPTP will see the actors leaving them in their dust on faster rides instead of staying on the formerly guided but out dated wagon ride of the AMPTP.
Remember the music labels? Why is the AMPTP making the same mistake? Don’t they read?
I would hate to be an AMPTP exec facing stockholders in a year if the AMPTP is then competing against actor produced internet media and the AMPTP can no longer get well known actors to accept less of a cut to be on AMPTP shows. Right now the AMPTP still has a group of established actor’s prefering to work for a fair deal within the system simply becuase they haven’t learned how easy the alternative is. If the AMPTP continues to push actor’s away and those actors get a taste of a never ending no 17 days exemption permanent residual revenue share deal with Google then the AMPTP will never get the actor’s back.
Personally I almost think it would be better if SAG just let us make our own productions and establish a self producing publicity and legal corporate shell for SAG member productions. We would probably all make more residuals with less viewers than what we will get from any deal the outdated AMPTP seems willing to do.
You know Peggy the ship has sailed with getting any help from the WGA. The show runners answer to corporate, if they are told to sign an AFTRA deal guess what.
You know I’ve that this alliance between the writers and actors to be a strange one. Actors always seem to know better what words should come out of their mouths and writers see actors as meat puppets. Anyone who has work with David Caruso can bear this out. It’s writing diva vs acting diva. I think the biggest mistake that SAG made was trying to insert themselves into the WGA negotiations. Those missives on united Hollywood by Allen and Justine where tawdry at best. Justine’s final congratulations to the writers on a contract was to say the least, the funniest thing I read through that whole mess. Cowboys.
So if you expect help from the WGA roll a snowball in hell.
Dear Peggy Lane,
How exactly can the WGA help you? They can’t strike with you. It’s certainly not going to be their call which actors union their masters make them use. Let’s face it, the WGA screwed the actors when they selfishly went on strike in November. Now, the deal is the deal, and Alan doesn’t get to play the role of his life time: the brave labor leader striking against the evil cartels that control the means of production. Poor Alan. Instead he’s playing the role of the ineffectual pasty who’s in way over his head with the sharks. And memo to Matthew Butler. It must be nice to live in a world that has only heros and villains. It’s kind of like Bushworld. Lumping AFTRA and the DGA in with the AMPTP must give you comfort. To blame the DGA for the mess that SAG is in is ludicrous. And AFTRA? As Nikki points out, 1% to 99%, and somehow they’re a threat and must be stopped? To all you kool-aid drinkers out there, Shake yourself. You’re being screwed over by your own poor leadership. Spending time, money and effort attacking another labor union? Unprecedented. Time to grow up kids, this ain’t make believe, and you’re not acting. This is real life. And it’s going to end in tears. Of course the AMPTP is horrible. But you’re suckers who’re playing right into their hands.
Dear Rick Berger,
The DGA playbook was to spend 1.5 million dollars and 15 months researching new media. It was to have two blind focus groups attacking the issue, and coming up with the same conclusion: no business model yet. The DGA is responsible for making motion pictures and television. They get things done. They weren’t trying to “right historic wrongs” with these negotiations. And by the way, they offered to share their research with WGA membership, who passed. So your blind assertion about giving their playbook to AFTRA? If it’s true, they’re to be commended, not condemned. If the WGA had accepted it, there never would have been that ridiculous, self-defeating work stoppage that did nothing but cost writers jobs. All you’re doing is repeating the dribble you learned on this site. Facts, not assertions.
Scott, WGA members can ABSOLUTELY march alongside our Screen Actors Guild brethren, if it comes to that. We just can’t, contractually, walk off our staff jobs to do it. But we CAN picket before work or after, or at lunch, and freelancers and screenwriters can picket at will.
looks like fatuous dga apologist kevin also posts under the name scott…
Sarcastic Cynic and Scott, the WGA never intended to blackmail anyone, but it works when there is a strike or lockout. Besides, the WGA losing their health insurance was just under two months away at the time of the settlement. When they went on strike in November, they screwed nobody but surprised everybody in the process because it was almost common knowledge that WGA and SAG were going to strike together.
Jessy what planet do you live on. BIzzaro
George Watson, more power to you if you can raise significant money for internet projects that will pay similar wages as SAG feature films and projects for network and cable. I’m always happy to see new business models, and I’d be delighted to see a new frontier opened in a positive way for everyone. But I don’t think we’re there yet – and YouTube isn’t what I would consider a revenue source for most of us that make TV shows and movies.
Jessy S, I honestly don’t understand your posts. You’re entitled to your opinion (although I object to the horrifying attack on Tucker Smallwood for having an opinion that differed from yours) but your comments don’t really make sense in light of the reality of this business. The health coverage situation was a major issue for the WGA, and to underestimate its importance to the members indicates that you may not have dealt with this kind of thing. And the comments about governmental hearings or presidentially appointed arbitrators simply make no sense to me. Other commenters here have voiced the same issues with you, specifically asking you, as I have, to carefully research these things before repeating as fact what you read on an opinion blog.
Finally, Howard, I really don’t understand your post either. I believe you’re trying to criticize my comments, but you have cited no specifics and made no rebuttal. Instead, you have called me a “fatuous dga apologist” and equated me with another poster. I can only be amazed that you have no logical response to the points I made. I’ll be happy to read your specific factual reply if you have one. Otherwise I must conclude that you are conceding my points and agreeing with the conclusions.
Harold, the public outreach by the WGA- including the Youtube vidoes—helped keep the public pro-writers and anti-studios. Two large public polls were taken during the strike—one by Pepperdine University, one by Gallup. The Gallup poll, which had less favorable numbers for the WGA, was still at 60% of Americans supporting the WGA’s position, with only 14% on the side of the studios. That wasn’t automatic, Americans often don’t like labor strikes. http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2007-12-18-strike-poll_N.htm
Scott, it is interesting that you should reference Bush regarding AFTRA. AFTRA in this drama is the Joe Lieberman to the AMPTP’s Bush—the “labor” faction that the Bushies can point to and say “hey, why don’t you act like them? now that’s what someone who really cared about this stuff would do.” So while it isn’t all cut and dried, it is obvious when an organization is behaving in a way that undercuts the ability of those organizations who should be their allies to deal effectively with the fellas in charge.
@Comment by Mrs. Wakely — June 30, 2008 @ 1:40 pm
Uhhh she’s made it pretty clear that she is a union shill and said as much at the end of the WGA strike. Her perogative since she thinks every other media outlet is an AMPTP shill. I disagree but take her words with a grain of salt as this is an opinion blog at this point rather than hard news.
SAG has once again shown how inept it is and took the bait at every turn.
How much do you REALLY expect to get? Is it REALLY worth losing $10K in wages to get an extra $250 on the base 1 day guest star rate? The fact that a strike is being talked about at all is absolutely appalling and I will pretty much guarantee that the Feds will step in next to immediately due to the state of the national econmy much less the horrendous state of the Los Angeles economy that is still trying to get back on its feet from the WGA strike.
Now ask yourself, who do you think the Feds are more likely to side with once they force arbitration? SAG needs to stop dealing with AFTRA and putting out cute ads and get to negotiating a deal and realize that you can’t get everything you ask for ever; true for both sides.
Beyond that, SAG is basiclaly going to be obsolete once all production is off shore and all prod-co’s are ‘officially’ based in Canada, India, Prague etc. at the rate we are going now.
Famed litigator David Boies is a genius at telling complex stories to judges and juries, instinctively simplifying issues to easily understandable terms. The post of Wide Eyed Raven, above, puts the issue before us:
1.everything will be via the internet.
2.SAG must get a fair piece, whatever the cost, or there will be no real business for actors left.
All the rest is bullshit. the arcane discussions of who can do what, when and how, the other less vital issues of who is negotiating (last time I checked, Doug Allen is a professional labor negotiator), what the DGA did to set up the WGA, how the AMPTP exploited AFTRA to screw SAG, and ALL the minutia of the current proposed contract.
WE NEED A FAIR PERCENTAGE OF ALL NEW MEDIA, ALL ORIGINAL PROGRAMMING AND ALL REUSE.
That’s it folks, that’s the whole ballgame. We may have to strike to get it, and we better start preparing mentally for it, because the AMPTP is going to go right to the wall. If we threaten to take away the business from them, whatever means necessary, to the point they scream, we will prevail. If we’re not serious enough to take that stance, we will lose. Everything.
Dear Kevin:
Thank you for outlining this entire situation with such even-handedness. Extremely complicated. No one is wholly a ‘good guy,’ and no one is wholly a ‘bad guy.’
I also have to agree with ‘Manny,’ when he says that this is an opinion blog rather than hard news…Ashame since Nikki appears to have such wonderful contacts. I tried to look to this website for real insight and facts. The facts ended up a bit twisted, so I have to take statements on this website with a great big old boulder-sized grain of salt.
In all fairness, Nikki appears to have dialed down the rhetoric in recent weeks. We’ll see what happens.
It has been confirmed, both Just a thought and Kevin are AMPTP shills.
I stand by the statement I made in my last post. Had the AMPTP taken the pre-strike negotiations seriously, there wouldn’t be a long strike unless you count four days as long. I was just using info that Nikki had in her post in my response to another comment.
Howard, it was generous of you to think I’m am the same as the talented and thoughtful blogger Kevin (with and I), but sadly, I’m just Scott (with two t’s). There is simply more than one person who doesn’t buy into this anti DGA bullshit being constantly spewed on this site.
“Harold, the public outreach by the WGA- including the Youtube vidoes—helped keep the public pro-writers and anti-studios. Two large public polls were taken during the strike—one by Pepperdine University, one by Gallup. The Gallup poll, which had less favorable numbers for the WGA, was still at 60% of Americans supporting the WGA’s position, with only 14% on the side of the studios. That wasn’t automatic, Americans often don’t like labor strikes. http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2007-12-18-strike-poll_N.htm”
Wow, that’s great. I guess with all of that public support, the WGA must have received an increased residual on home video after 20 years, added reality and animation writers to its covered membership, eliminated a 2+ week waiting period on new media, and received a percentage on new media as opposed to a percentage with a fixed amount cap.
Oh? You mean the WGA didn’t achieve any of those things? What about all of that public support?
Here’s why public support doesn’t really matter.
The guilds aren’t negotiating with the public. They are negotiating with AMPTP. You can cite all of the surveys that you want, but none of them come with an improved contract.
Again, I fail to see what the YouTube videos, the Speechless videos, pencil collecting, skytyping, etc. accomplished in the WGA strike.
If someone can point to one contract benefit achieved from those time-wasting activities, please state it. Don’t cite some B.S. surveys that don’t mean anything. Tell me how one of those guild masturbatory YouTube videos helped them achieve even one contract proposal.
The truth is that no one can, because all of that distracting crap achieved NOTHING.
“It has been confirmed, both Just a thought and Kevin are AMPTP shills.”
How has it been “confirmed?” The same way the Niger yellowcake info was “confirmed” before Bush’s State of the Union speech? Or the same way the TV weatherperson confirms that it will or will not rain tomorrow?
Or have you tracked down IPs?
Oh Jessy S
Shill huh.
When someone can’t make a coherent argument they usually resort to name calling.
Jessy S,
So what confirmation do you have that Kevin is a AMPTP site. That he disagrees with your ridiculous posts? That he backs his union, the DGA. This just confirms my assertion that you’re the worst blogger on this site. But I guess that makes me a shill. Grow up. People’s livelihoods are at stake here.
It has been confirmed, Jessy S. is a numbskull and a douchebag.
I love having a job, because when I get home, it allows me the evening leisure of reading this guy’s arguments (blather?) and smugly affirming that people will say anything to feel important.
It’s funny, I was just commenting to a friend that the newest graduating class from my alma mater are all picking up and moving west, and they’re all so innocent and eager they’ll never listen to the advice to give it a few months for things to settle and production to resume as usual.
Upon reflection, I’d love to recommend this blog to them, but never, ever without the disclaimer that you have to read very deeply between the slants and spins to find what resonates as true. NF is enormously resourceful and lord knows one of the best sources for word-on-the-street news, usually a day or two ahead of many other news sources.
But that’s all there is to it.
Also, it should be pointed out that these enormous ‘Expose’s’ on the negotiations and contract expiration, etc., can really be as simple as: Nothing will happen until July 8th. There’s a little more ball-kicking going on between SAG and the AMPTP, but nothing too noteworthy. After the AFTRA contract’s ratified, well, no one’s completely sure. As much as I love NF’s reporting, not quite earth-shattering coverage, darling.
The state of things is a bit of a shame, though, as the Last-Best-Offer seemed like a way for Rosenberg and Co. to save face. Wait, does that last comment make me a shill or a troll? Lordy, lordy, whatever will we do?
Kevinphile, thank you for the comment. I hear you.
Jessy S, I still do not understand your statements. You say that you’ve “confirmed” your opinion about me. I truly don’t see your basis. You have repeatedly stated opinions as facts here, while ignoring facts that could disprove your ideas. You have every right to your opinions, but I have simply asked that you base them on research and fact, rather than other opinions.
Your statement in your last post advocated blackmail – I’m sure you don’t intend to actually suggest that as either a positive idea or a strategy with any validity in the current situation. Your other statements in that post simply don’t make sense. You say that WGA members losing health coverage was “under two months away.” Do you mean that this was or was not a concern? For anyone working in the business, it’s a major concern when one’s coverage is about to expire, particularly if one has been told that the coverage would NOT expire. Your other statements in that post are not coherent – what precisely are you saying about the strike? It is this lack of coherence that has caused issues for me in trying to read your posts. And the added fantasy elements make many of those posts almost impossible to get through. You have every right to express these opinions but other people have the right to tell you when those statements are either unrealistic or awkwardly stated.
To anyone actually taking Jessy S seriously: Just go back and read his posts during the WGA strike. Every “prediction” he made based on his “facts” failed to materialize, and usually the exact opposite of what really did happen.
Speaking for Background Actors (the REAL Heart of Hollywood), give us $250 for 8, double at 10, minimum 85 for television and 125 for theatrical, no special favor vouchers for “friends and family”, featured bumps, nighttime and weekend bumps, a realistic mileage allowance and we’ll all vote for a contract…otherwise it’s “The Bricks”!!!
Dear Harold,
“Nikki, I fail to see what the YouTube videos, the Speechless videos, pencil collecting, skytyping, etc. accomplished in the WGA strike. Things like that just show the lack of focus or progress in negotiations.”
It unified the general public and the writers of the entertainment industry. We pay the ticket prices, watch the numerous commericals and buy the products.
We stand beside SAG supporting them just like we did the WGA.
Kick ass Allens! We got your backs when you need it.
“Dear Harold,
‘Nikki, I fail to see what the YouTube videos, the Speechless videos, pencil collecting, skytyping, etc. accomplished in the WGA strike. Things like that just show the lack of focus or progress in negotiations.’
It unified the general public and the writers of the entertainment industry. We pay the ticket prices, watch the numerous commericals and buy the products.”
It unified the general public and the writers of the entertainment industry?
Let’s pretend that is actually true. What did unifying the general public and the writers of the entertainment industry achieve?
Name one contract proposal that was achieved because of that.
Just one.
You can’t, because there wasn’t one.
You make reference to audience purchasing power. How was that used?
It wasn’t.
In reality, some of you just want to feel like you made some sort of a difference even though you made no impact at all. You bought pencils and threw money away on other pointless WGA PR efforts that had no purpose other than making people feel involved in lieu of making progress on contract proposals.
The guilds seriously need to stop with the time-wasting masturbatory activities and focus on how to deal with AMPTP.
TomTom makes a strong point. The studios & networks are already well into the process moving distribution to the Internet, and at least two congloms have bragged about their billion-dollar New Media projections this year. SAG may yet pull out a better deal on New Media this year, but regardless, all of the creative guilds are now watching the stage being set by the studios & networks to deal a death blow to the unions in less than three years. All the creative guilds must expend the time and resources now to gird their loins for the most difficult fight they have ever faced.
Becca, if the general public loved the WGA so much, then where are they now? Viewership took a big hit and it’s not coming back any time soon. They found out they liked other activities better than the stuff created by the writers you insist they love and stand behind. These stunts made the fools that wasted their money feel good about themselves, but it did nothing productive.
Oh by the way Ricco and Harold…the public still gets that the AMPTP are the biggest problem children in this round of negotiations. But unlike you, who spend a lot of time here bashing the people who do the work and wailing about where the public is, we’re busy organizing out in the real world (where we live and you two clearly don’t)and online to get stuff done.
And this time we’re more closely allied with the talent. Which is a really good thing.
Gotta go…got investor data to parse through and explain to the public while the usual comment jockeys screw around in here trying to rip on the talent and whine about how the consumers/fans/viewers don’t love them.
Again, I ask that someone name one contract proposal that was secured in the WGA strike that was due to any action by, or support from, the public.
Just one.
You can’t, because there wasn’t one.
So go “more closely ally with the talent” or whatever euphemism you use to describe wasting time and accomplishing nothing. Perform your embarassingly amateur analyses of data. Buy the pencils or whatever the hell SAG wants to sell to you if they strike. Do whatever it takes to feed your delusional self-importance.
In the end, you will not have accomplished anything other than reinforced your irrelevance.