I've collected several knowledgeable accounts of what happened during yesterday's multi-hour contentious MGM conference call with bondholders who were "very loud and very upset". Here's why:
The call was for the benefit of the lenders, and MGM management made the presentation along with Stephen F Cooper, that Zolfo Cooper restructure specialist. MGM made a desperate plea for money because the studio had missed its numbers and was going to be out of funds very soon. "The implication was that it's teetering on bankruptcy," one source told me. MGM said it needed $20M in short-term cash flow to cover overhead, and an additional $150 million to get through the end of year and continue funding its projects, and to start Peter Jackson's Hobbit.
Some say the call lasted 6 1/2 hours. Others said it lasted 2 1/2 hours with lenders, and then the lenders themselves had a conference call that lasted another 2 hours. After the MGM presentation, several bondholders spoke, "and they were irate", an insider tells me. True, this regularly happens on bad news calls like this. But in this case the creditors who hold MGM's term loan debt blame Harry Sloan for MGM overpromising and then missing its numbers, which was discussed during the summer and why he was removed as CEO. "They're not happy that Sloan let the company go in this direction but they understand what’s going on. It’s unfortunate, but they get it that the company is in a distressed situation, and they have to figure out an action plan moving forward," a source explains to me.
The conference call was planned to present the creditors with a request, or forebearance, to waive interest payments on MGM's $3.5 billion killer debt until February 2010. Because if MGM doesn’t have to make those interest payments, then the studio can afford to use that money instead to fund the production slate. The bondholders couldn’t understand why the equity holders wouldn’t fork over the dough. But the equity holders aren’t interested in writing a check because they understand that their equity is way under water already, and there's no upside for them. So, in essence, the equity holders have already written off their investment in MGM. But the bondholders have that $3.7 billion of nominal debt currently trading in the secondary market at about $.55–$.57 cents on the dollar. It's been trading in this low $.50s range for a while, so the marketplace is saying that the company is not worth more than $.56 times $3.7 billion. (And that's probably high.)
As a result, the bondholders are not in a great situation and therefore not feeling generous. On the other hand, if MGM were sold off today, most investment bankers don’t think it would fetch more than $1.5 billion to $1.75 billion at auction. This would mean that bondholders would recover less than $.50 on the dollar. This would be an even worse outcome.
So the bondhholders said to MGM, in essence, that they were going to let the studio go bankrupt and collect their money since they'd be first in line to get paid. But Cooper explained that this would be the worst possible outcome for the creditors and the company. Because if MGM were forced into bankruptcy, then it would lose James Bond and the studio doesn't think it can stay alive without 007. Also, a lot of other issues would surface that would tremendously hurt MGM.
Also, if MGM goes through bankruptcy, that's a very expensive prospect (where only the lawyers get rich), and extremely disruptive (since who would do business with MGM in the interim) and won’t get the creditors what they want which is their money back. It's more than simply MGM losing Bond. The studio could lose a lot of other franchises.
I can’t tell you whether the bondholders will agree to the forebearance or not. It requires a 51% approval vote. But some of the smart people I've contacted do think the creditors will eventually realize that a restructuring of MGM outside of the bankruptcy process is probably the best course right now.
So what's next? MGM now has to formally ask for forbearance, and the bondholders formally respond.


Something tells me that Warner Bros. may make out pretty well with The Hobbit if they swoop in and buy out. Would make the most sense if they don’t want to have to share profit & it would help MGM in the short run.
You win some, you lose some.
I would think just the Bond franchise alone is worth a billion or more. Every studio in town would love to own that series. Especially Sony, which tried wanted to launch its own 007 series many years ago.
Die Another Day?
Oh, clever!
Sony needs to step in and buy it all–Bond, I mean–the whole smash. Get Bond off of the Titanic.
After Time Warner lost MGM to the Sony/Comcast consortium all those years ago they’ve just been laying low, biding their time, waiting for something to happen so they can swoop again.
Ideally Sony would want MGM to ’stay alive’ just long enough to be carved up and they can buy the Bond franchise without having to worry about those pesky foreign ownership laws.
But at the end of the day there is no better match for what’s left of MGM than Warner Bros. A Time Warner acquisition of MGM would mean….
– The original MGM library is finally reunited. WB have most of it at the moment and it makes sense (from just about every point of view) to bring everything together under ‘one roof’.
– Warners would get Worldwide control of the financing and distribution of The Hobbit films.
– MGM franchises (what there is of them) such as Bond, the (potential) Robocop reboot and even the Stargate franchise (which is crying out for a big screen redux) are all perfect fits for WB’s slate.
– And MGM’s foreign cable channels would fit well into Time Warner’s current cable portfolio and the mass crappy Cannon Films in MGM’s current patched together library would be perfect ( i.e., inexpensive) programming for them.
The only downside of such a buy out is the fact MGM would basically become nothing more than a label that would appear before Warner produced Bond films. I don’t see anyway Time Warner would keep MGM as a ‘production label’ under WB (a bit like New Line’s downsized existence) let alone a fully functioning ongoing studio in it’s own right.
But in saying that, with only one major release this year MGM have already resigned themselves to that fate. It’s not so much a case of ‘if’ as it is ‘when’.
As long as I’ve been in this business MGM has always been held together by gaffer tape and string one way or another. At one point they were owned by a French bank after defaulting on loans, and they still they survived. Not anymore I suspect.
Finally time has run out.
Why would they lose 007 or any other property in bk, would have an automatic stay on any bk contract provisions
El Jefe, despite the general stay on termination whoever owns the rights in Ian Flemings books and characters can terminate MGM’s license in BK under 365(c)(1) of the bankruptcy code. Executory contracts such as copyright licenses may not be assumed or assigned by licensee without consent of the licensor. So technically those rights would become available if MGM filed BK, although it would probably retain ownership rights in the prior 007 movies. Same holds true for the Hobbit. Bondholders would be idiots to force BK without some agreement with those licensors in place beforehand.
I doubt either the Bond series or the upcoming Hobbit films are in any danger. Sony could easily swing in and keep the Bonds going (they seemed to do a fine job releasing the last two). As for The Hobbit, I agree with Wally: Warner would make out exceptionally well.
Re: Shaun F
>Sony could easily swing in and keep the Bonds
>going (they seemed to do a fine job releasing
>the last two
They were goood films but they were almost ruined by the the gross, over the top, in your face Sony product placement – it almost looked like a Sony (and for that matter Ford) advert at times…
If I remember correctly from my days workin for bankruptcy lawyers, bondholders are unsecured creditors which means they get paid after secured creditors usually at pennies on the dollar. The lawyers (almost) always get paid at close to full value. Bondholders would be better with a deal where they can at least contunue to collect interest and where in a restructuring they might recover a larger portion their investments.
I thought Warner Brothers would end up fronting most of the cost for “The Hobbit,” if this happens — Warners through their New Line subsidiary would end up with all the LOTR franchise.
Okay, if MGM is forced into bankruptcy then what? A big fire sale of the company’s assets, like The Hobbit, and the 007 Movies. Except those can be a trap in themselves. Spending too much to buy the rights to the films before making them, could make those franchises unprofitable in these days of thin margins and big budgets. So MGM is not going to get the sort of big money they need from those sales.
Most of the company’s real value lies in its expansive film library.
However…
1. Most companies capable of buying the MGM/UA library have their own problems managing their own libraries, and the addition of Xenu knows how many thousand more titles will only add to those problems. So few would be willing to take on that responsibility, especially if it means dropping a few hundred million spondoolix.
2. Home video sales are down, for various reasons, and the TV market, at least judging by the channels my satellite dish gets, is way underexploited with many channels re-running Las Vegas, Bones, and Xena: Warrior Princess four times a day over older movies and TV shows.
This means that the bondholders are not going to get the full real value of that library. This forbearance scheme might be the only way they can get the company out of the shadow of this crippling debt and a going concern again.
The bondholders are right.
MGM is not a movie studio, it’s a holding company peretending to be a movie studio while it waits out failure.
Real studios make movies, MGM does not.
Does anyone in Hollywood still send them material or projects?
No, no, no!!!
I’m gonna live forever. I’m gonna learn how to fly. Bomb.
Why don’t they close their distribution office and stop pissing away millions of dollars on that. The rent in Century City is outrageous and the employees literally do nothing all day because they have no film to distribute. “Fame’s” release could have been set by a 3 person office, or farmed out to another company. A perfect example of another bloated, poorly managed company looking for a bailout from their investors…. RIDICULOUS!
Calling MGM “bloated” is absurd–they’ve been operating with a skeleton crew for the past few years. There’s not an ounce of fat on that company to trim.
You are obviously not familiar with their distribution office. It’s staffed like they were operating as a major with a full slate of releases. General Sales Manager, District Managers, Sales Managers, assistants, cash department, etc. For what 2 or 3 bad releases a year? I reiterate….POORLY MANAGED AND BLOATED! Sorry….
How many people do you need in an office that doesn’t make movies?
I’m sure Warner Bros./New Line would be more than happy to take The Hobbit off MGM’s hands, just like Sony would be willing to take James Bond.
Dave sounds right: how many Bond films = 1.5 to 1.75 billion dollars?
Wasn’t Icahn buying a lot of their debt? 3.7 Billion is a crushing debt load in this environment.
In addition to the lawyers, any strategic “white knight” can also benefit greatly in any backruptcy proceeding. For instance, when United Paramount Theaters purchased ABC in 1953, they acted as a white knight because ABC was nearly bankrupt, they were hoping to acquire a company they could turn around to produce greater profits. White knights can do the due diligence, set up the terms, etc. before the others and usually “win” as a result.
Whatever happens, don’t let the Bond/007 series fall into the wrong hands. The last few movies were great with Craig. Also looking forward to Jackson’s Hobbit.
All of you figure it out. You are all so emotional that undoubtedly
the bottom is in and egos and persoanalties are clashing. Someone or something is on the sidelines ready to pick up your pieces and really cheap to. Look out 5 years not 5 hours. Get in a room and not over a phone…otherwise Iger will sweep in and pick u up for an E Ticket.
Robbie Goldstein
is that a joke? when you owe millions of dollars of interest, are insolvent, have no tangible plan to pay off your debt, at a disadvantage to your competitors, and a brand new ceo you don’t get 5 years.
mgm is (unfortunately) gone unless someone or some organization swoops in at the 11th hour. the bondholders are devoid of emotion, they made a semi-secured investment that has been written off, the company cannot function, and it will have to declare.
Silly, really. When are people going to give up on MGM already? If it weren’t for Bond, James Bond, the studio would be worthless. It’s not like they’re buying or producing anything now or in the recent past. Well, there was Valkyrie and we all know how well that turned out. I say let it drop and then let the pieces get picked up by studios with deep enough pockets to sustain the worthwhile brands and let the rest of it all just fade away.
I don’t think Robbie Goldstein is in the movie business.
I’m sure Hot Tub Time Machine will solve this problem. If not they can take $20 million from Mary Parent they gave her a three year contract at $6 million per year she should be forced to work there on a profit percentage basis. If she really does make great movies she’ll earn more than her salary if not by working for free she saves the company. Here’s her chance to be a hero.
Thanks for the useless tidbit Cliff Clavin. 1933 was 76 years ago.
Thanks for the useful parcel of information Cliff Clavin. Gotta learn our history so we don’t repeat it repeat it, aww, there I did it again! :0(
The 007 series, as with other MGM/UA properties are real bread-and-butter for MGM. The MGM/UA archive is huge and golden. Ted Turner’s investment/TCM proved extremely productive and valuable. Many bondholders understand “investment.” MGM and it’s international name has always been a good investment. Hate to see this American company go bankrupt.
Even if MGM somehow gets enough money to actually fund and make The Hobbit — let alone the second film, remember, and Bond 23 as well — they’re still looking at two to four years before those movies come out and they might see a return on their investments. How are they going to get by in the meantime when they’re releasing under-performers, bleeding money and are billions in debt? Is their plan to just keep going hat in hand every six months looking for forbearances on their debt payments? Seriously, is that their game plan?
H E L P!
To be fair, they DO have the “Red Dawn” remake in production somewhere out there. May be ass, but there’s at least one film being made. Did the “Poltergeist” reboot ever go? I’m thinking “no,” but they came close a few times with Vadim Perelman, I believe.
A possible revenue stream for MGM/Sony would be to reboot the PINK PANTHER series with Sacha Baron Cohen as Clouseau–and treat the material as something other than POLICE ACADEMY sequels.
Were you being ironic or didn’t you notice they did reboot it with Steve Martin. I mean both films were pretty unwatchable, but they did do just that.
it sure was considerate of the MGM/UA management team to hold off this call until they had spent the full marketing campaign on FAME—
otherwise, someone might actually have suggested cutting back or postponing the release–can’t allow common sense to prevail — it’s the movies
Bond, though capable of saving the earth on celluloid, cannot save this mismanaged and run library in the real world…
“Gotta Go, gotta go!” roars the lion…
ps thanx to Paula Wagner & cruise who did nothing despite large cache o’ cash to stop this impending nightmare… What is it with execs who have the money and use it on Beemers and brunches at The Ivy wooing filmmakers and the like – yes, I’ve been one at those meals! – but then never have the confidence or conviction to actually make movies? We miss you, Bob Evans!!
We’re living in scary times where everything is ridiculously expensive in the movie business. I wonder what C.B. DeMille, Louis B.Mayer, Darryl F. Zanuck and Harry Cohn would say if they looked at the studio balance sheets these days – where every film costs over $100 million with marketing costs. And although a certain amont of risk is being taken out of the major theatrical business by green-lighting remakes, sequels and comic books which have decent track records (although the quality dips considerably),you wonder how any of the companies stay afloat with the amount of money they’re spending. Considering how amazing Paramount did this summer, how do they not have enough money in the till to release a Scorcese thriller? What does that say about the business. If you’re going to stay alive in the studio business today, you have to have deep, deep, corporate profits and MGM, being a stand-alone, doesn’t have them. The Warner Bros acquisition idea makes good sense, but I have a feeling once they acquire the library, the MGM of old will be, excuse the expression, gone with the wind.
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Louie B. Mayer is crying right now.
When movies became all about the deal, well it always was about the deal, but at least once some people in the business were also interested in the story, glamour and tinsel too, the people in charge forgot how to make movies. Only deals. Now they don’t even know how to make deals. How sad. The Bond films may still be money makers. But as movies they stopped being entertaining long ago.
MGM’s production division, with the exception of Bond, has been hemoraging long before the last major buyout mangle four years ago. I think they’re better off using their only intrinsic value, their brand, to play silent partner/distributor to smaller production houses or maintain a minority stake in exchange for co-opting with a real major on projects bigger than they can chew like Hobbit and Bond, oh wait that’s all they’ve managed to do for the last four years anyway. Why not rely on their greatest asset, the remaining catalogue for revenue and let David Bishop take the healm while MGM production can go into hybernation (or burn in hell, whichever is more cost effective)? Can anyone really justify keeping MGM in the biz of movie production? With the entry of new digital distribution formats, MGM home entertainment can once again lead the pack as DVD goes the way of the VHS loon. Without production, maybe investors will have a harder time getting laid bragging about ownership rights in 80’s & 90’s MGM and Orion titles but as a shareholder I’ll take real cash for worthless cache. Uninformed historians may think such a skeleton would make MGM a shadow of it’s former self but anyone who’s walked around the block in Hollywood should know its been nothing more than that since Kerkorian first got his hands on it and that anniversary is now going on 40 years. MAYBE if they scale down like the rest of this country, they’ll be in better shape than others when the dust of the current economic sh*tstorm finally settles. In the mean time, the lion’s roar may be reduced to a purr but at least it won’t be reduced to a logo hung on a wall at a small division in the midst of the vast WB lot or worse.
Yeah, I thought MGM was doomed. Then another commenter mentioned they had “HOT TUB TIME MACHINE” waiting in the wings. Gentlemen Debtors, your worries are over!
By the way, why is Cusack stumbling around with failing outfits like MGM, Weinsteins, Nu Image, etc.
He “a moviegoer”, why do you think that the media outlets are going to get paid for the fame campaign
Can we not do better than hinging the survival of studio on the remake of Red Dawn????? Am I the only one who finds that incredibly tragic?
Have been going to MGM releases since the 1940’s. The films genres ranged from “b” releases and serials, (that would put my young butt into a theater seat every Saturday), to blockbuster musicals that put the parents’ butts into a theater seat once or twice a week. We lived for the MGM movies and idolized every one we saw up on the screen. We lived the thrills, love affairs and tragedies of each and every actor and actress. Backlots in that era would make Disneyland pale by comparison. The prop and wardrobe departments would make any museum envious, as each studio had its own time capsule of priceless props. The set builders, the effects artists and staff directors made it all happen week after week and kept the releases in the pipeline! They took us places, around the world or back to the future, or a blast to the past, and made us laugh, love, cry or give serious thought to issues of the day. There were rough times for all, even the studios. We would always comment, whenever a studio had a stage or back lot fire, that “business is so bad, you could see the fire coming for months!” Then the accountants took over the studios and sold off the assets, the back lots, the wardrobe and props and scattered the crafts people and artists to the wind. When that was not enough for their style of film making (bottom line above all else), the accountants exported the production work to any country willing to “kick back fees” to the studio to do business in their country. Studios became “ladies of the night” and the accountants became their “pimps.” Now that the “ladies” have grown too old to work on the streets, the pimps have taken a “get tough” approach with their “Johns,” the money providers. It is a page right out of the Sopranos. “Give us your money, or you are going to get hurt, really bad!” This is what it has all come down to, Hollywood movies, farmed out to the world, never to be “made in Hollywood USA” again. The bean counters have taken the “show” out of Show Business. At long last we can all see that in the end, the accountants possess no soul, no savvy, nor a capacity for shame. The craftsmen, artists and traditions that were “Hollywood” have all Gone With The Wind.
MGM – RIP.
I’ve got only two words to say about MGM: Pan Am.
Mr. Kerkorian, HELP!
Who in this town ever thought Mary Parent knows how to make successful films ??? Talentless !
seems like mgm’s latest problems started with harry sloan. whoever invested in a studio run by someone who doesn’t have the requisite experience deserves to lose their shirts. wall st should do a bit more homework on who they allow to squander their investors money.
As long as someone makes and finishes The Hobbit (with Peter Jackson making all the decisions) I could care less about MGM or any other greedy horrible movie making studio. JUST MAKE THE DANG HOBBIT!!!!
Yes Harry Sloan is finally rightfully being blamed but these guys shouldn’t have hired him in the first place and then stupidly renewed his contract. They should direct some of their anger back at themselves.
How would United Artists fare through this issue?
Ever since it went to Tom Cruise that MGM kept a heavy hand in its production woes (projects that didn’t get off the ground as fast as MGM desired).
Truth be told, unless Bond really pulls a number with its 23rd film (Quantum of Solace wasn’t exactly a critical success), I see it going back to Sony’s hands, even though they don’t really deserve it. And Warner would gain too much power with The Hobbit in its hands (as if the Disney/Marvel merger wasn’t worrisome enough). I hope MGM pulls through and reshapes its management.
Nikki didn’t put my other post up. So we shall see if this one makes the light of day.
In Pontiac today, The Red Dawn movie looks promising. They were taking multiple shots of a Russian/Chinese arresting one of the red dawn gang.
They had plenty of sets around city. Cars’ blowing up tonight etc.
They were setting up Mikes for some massive rally and the rain appeared to be holding off.
Cannot wait to see this remake especially the shots by Judge Waterman’s bldg.
Perhaps this movie and the subsequent TV series will save the Lion.