It's another Boston Tea Party (of the TV kind)... NBC Boston affiliate WHDH announced tonight that, come September, it will air a full hour of local news at 10 PM. That means it won't air Jay Leno's new 10 PM show. Not only is this a huge slap in the face to Jay by his hometown station, but also to NBC. And the network is fighting back and even threatening reprisals. Tonight, I received several strongly worded statements from NBC execs declaring war on the affiliate, including this one from John Eck, President of the NBC TV Network: "WHDH's move is a flagrant violation of the terms of their contract with NBC. If they persist, we will strip WHDH of its NBC Affiliation. We have a number of other strong options in the Boston market, including using our existing broadcast license to launch an NBC owned and operated station." Also playing hardball is Rick Cotton, General Counsel: “It is clear that WHDH is contractually required to air NBC programming as scheduled by the network."
That's not what WHDH owner, Sunbeam chief Ed Ansin, claims. He told the Boston Globe that WHDH could contractually replace Leno at 10 PM with news because, "We don't think the Leno show is going to be effective in primetime. It will be detrimental to our 11 o'clock (newscast). It will be very adverse to our finances." Now the question remains: will others among NBC's long suffering affiliates think the same way and also revolt?
I'm told that, as of now, no other affiliates are threatening to dump Leno. The last time an affiliate challenged NBC, it was KRON in San Francisco -- and the station is stuck now as a MyNetworkTV affiliate. NBC is even threatening to pit a strong competitor against WHDH in the Boston market if the station doesn't start toeing the line. "I don’t think WHDH realizes that we have an O&O in Boston, [WNEU, Channel 60], the Telemundo station there. We could easily shift programming to that station. Or talk with the other independents," an NBC Universal exec told me tonight.
Just one problem: WNEU only reaches a portion of the Boston market.
Tonight, NBC also trotted out Michael Fiorile, the NBC Affiliate Board Chairman (and Vice Chairman of the Dispatch Group) to give Jay a vote of confidence: "The NBC affiliates are very excited about the new Leno show weeknights at 10 p.m. Jay is a true star with enormous appeal. We've been engaged in an open dialogue with NBC about the format of the show, and we’re looking forward to working with Jay and the entire team to make it a huge success."
But the sad truth is that the same Michael Fiorile was telling media outlets at the end of 2008 that NBC's beleaguered affiliates had asked the network last summer to give back time, and maybe even days, to them. And to give local content a shot. Because few of theNBC affiliates get a substantial boost from NBC’s primetime offerings because of the low ratings. Even NBC Universal boss Jeff Zucker has admitted that the network-affiliate relationship is overdue for an overhaul. But don't for a minute think the affiliates' first-choice scenario isn't for the network to finally deliver some primetime hits. Instead, NBC is giving up on even trying to program for high ratings.
The result is that when the new 2009-2010 schedule debuts in September, Leno's show from Day One will be rated lower than anything on NBC's primetime even now. But that doesn't matter according to NBC Universal's controversial philosophy of "managing for margins, not ratings". Estimates are that Leno 2.0 may only cost $2M a week and result in 46 weeks of original shows, compared to the average $3 million per episode pricetag of scripted primetime dramas that air on average 22 original weekly episodes. But the 58-year-old attracts only 4.8 million viewers now on The Tonight Show -- measly by primetime standards, especially in the advertiser-coveted 18-to-49 demographic. The affiliates know that expanded local news or local ballgames might hit a higher number than Leno or NBC's weaker nights -- which is no doubt why WHDH made the decision it did.


Dear NBC Boston affiliate,
I think I love you. If only every large market would follow it would force NBC to spend some bucks and actually create programming.
BEST. NEWS. EVER.
Hopefully, other affliates will also refuse to carry it and the two dunces (Silverman and Zucker) can undo this ridiculous plan (or preferably, be fired).
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
NBC IS FULL OF ABSOLUTE IDIOTS
ZUCKER–BROWN NOSING MASTER OF FAILING UPWARDS
SILVERMAN–COKED OUT FRAT BOY TWO BEERS AWAY FROM COMING OUT
BROMSTED–CAN I JUST SAY IT: DUMB AS A BAG OF HAIR
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
VIVA UNIVISION
That is a terrible article. Why won’t the local station carry Leno?
Wow. I never saw this one coming, but it’s actually pretty brilliant. Local affiliates make MOST of their money on the late news, so it figures that the time-shifting that is eroding 10 o’clock at the Network level must be DECIMATING 11 o’clock at the local level.
Just this week, KNBC forced out it’s longtime (and very expensive) main anchor, Paul Moyer. Makes sense that some renegade station GM would just say to hell with Zucker and Co., and make a decision to be first with late news in the market. (And not first like Fox, which still has a credibility issue in many local news markets.)
Look for other stations to follow suit unless NBC brings out some very big legal guns…
I do not live in the Boston area and I say good for station WHDH for standing their ground.Just because Mr.Leno and NBC decide to change the air time, does not mean that a PRIVATELY OWNED BUSINESS has to bend over. WHDH should take this opportunity to start a trend by organizing:
THE PRIVATELY OWNED BUSINESS TEA PARTY!
Putting Leno on at 10 is only something the boneheads at NBC could think up!! And why on earth would he would agree to it?? I’m a fan, but only in his niche…I wouldn’t watch it at 10, and no doubt they’ll make the show unwatchable (just like Conan is). Leno should have switched when he had the chance.
So Jay must once again resort to dirty pool to hang on long after the welcome mat has been pulled up. Bad form, sir. Leno nightly in primetime will not save NBC. It will kill it. NBC should shove in 15 minute programming in that last hour nightly to follow the trends set by Adult Swim and YouTube. Look forward, NBC. Find your new spot. Lead for a change. What are you now, CBS?
Aren’t affiliates ultimately responsible to the commission for their broadcasts and therefore can’t enter into contracts that remove their ability to control their own programming?
If NBC is going to dumb down the content to save $$s, perhaps they should expect affiliates to bail or even to originate local programming. In the olden days, you took the network because you couldn’t afford even the hardware to produce a local show.
Today you can edit HD on a laptop and acquire it with cameras that cost less than $10K for moderately good ones.
I am not surprised, NBC has messed up repeatedly by being oriented to the nutty left, and they have lost considerable following. That a local station wants to do what it considers in its best interest is what freedom is all about. Fox News runs rough shod over all their competitors because their news are balanced , not biased. If NBC pulls the affiliation of that station, I am sure they can find a better affiliation without much delay.
When Leno surprises everyone by consistently placing 2nd in the 10:00 slot, the affiliate will come crawling back.
Not since the tea party! You wanna talk about a revolution! WOW! The 10P News on FOX in Beantown is kicking ass and taking names. Ansin has a very strong case that he will make more money with news at ten than with Jay on NBC. Meanwhile will they really roll NBC over to their Telemundo station at a very weak UHF slot? Their numbers in the 7th TV market will tank. IF NBC blinks Ansin can run Jay on his CW UHF station. This is gonna be fun!!!
So NBC’s reaction is to go to war with their affil and threaten to turn their Telemundo UHF station into NBC? That’s hysterical! NBC is fast becoming a UHF station programming-wise, but now they’ll be found there on the dial, too. Honey, do we still have that round wire UHF antenna from the Philco, we’re gonna need it to watch NBC.
Lemme get this straight.
Zucker has all but said that NBC will be a cable-only channel in the near future.
What fucking leverage does NBC think it will have with affiliates moving forward?
It’s all well and good to see the end of the broadcast model coming, and shift your assets around, but let’s be clear — NBC has crashed because of poor leadership, not because it got caught up in a sea change. If you’re an affil, and news is your bread and buddah, of course you want to get as close to a proper lead in as possible. Hmm…do I want to start my news after Leno, or the Biggest Loser? (There’s only one answer.)
Leno at 10pm is death. Anyone with a brain knows this.
Zucker could care less about the broadcast model. He played his hand WAY TOO EARLY.
This is the beginning of the end. Really.
Good. Who cares? Let them do what they want to. Jay is so far seperated from real Americans that to me, he hasn’t been funny at least for the last 12 years. Kinda like Saturday Night Live. It’s not funny, no one is watching, but they keep putting it on.
I wonder if WHDH knows something very personal about NBC’s financials. Something along the lines of NBC not being able to afford any other option than staying with WHDH. Especially during this economic climate, with ad revenues practically depleted, such a case is not far from imagination. Also, the notion that NBC could even entertain the idea of feasibly launching a studio during this most uncertain of times is downright comedy. I think WHDH sees that giant TV stations are backed up onto their heels, and is trying to make a name for themselves in that quirky little town called Boston.
Good for WHDH. With Obama “campaigning” on the Leno Late Night show recently I’m delighted to know that entertainment trumps politics.
Of all the shows to reject???? Leno is very funny.
I like NBC. That is why I am surprised that they are being so stupid and wrong-headed on this. Using these kinds of tactics is no way to treat your friends.
I also like Jay Leno. He is a great host. But did they ask him about their plans at all? He is from Boston. He would know how important the news competition is from FOX. But they chose to get punitive with their own affiliate in his home town. NBC is really throwing Jay Leno under the bus on this issue. I am surprised he is allowing them to drag his name through the mud.
But they don’t have to worry. These days, losing NBC affiliation may be just about as bad as losing AIG as a sponsor.
Well, I watch the news at 10 PM. If NBC decides to force the issue, they will also force me to watch another channel. The network’s arrogance and meanness doesn’t carry well with me. NBC is history as far as I’m concerned. They can threaten the local station but they can’t threaten me.
Neat how the FREE Market economy works. produce junk and people don’t watch. nielsens down advertisers drop bye
My best guess is you’ll see a number of NBC affiliates choose to leave. If NBC doesn’t care about ratings, the locals do. And that makes it a very easy decision.
It’s funny that the stand off between NBC and their old San Francisco affiliate, KRON are mentioned. Both of them suffered, NBC lost a lot of viewers when the bought KNTV, which was a poor station in the first place and KRON has essential faded into obscurity.
Who watches the networks anyway? They’re so Shamwow. Leno was lame in 1995. Network news is only watched by senior citizens in nursing homes tied to their chairs with rope.
Yea… those threat are really serious. Hey network exec, take a look at all the newspaper bankruptcies and tell me how strong your hand is here. Network exec is another word for “future Wal-Mart greeter.”
yawn.
HA! Good for Boston! And is that really a threat – to be stripped of an NBC affiliation? They’re in 4th (i.e. last) place in network television as hardly anybody watches NBC anymore.
Let’s also be honest – does anybody really think that Leno will provide a ratings bonanza? His show will be in last place every night. Local stations newscasts will suffer because of that. Why punish local affiliates just because Zucker doesn’t know what the hell he’s doing?
Putting Leno at 10 because you put Conan at 11:30 and then Jimmy Fallon at 12:30 and then there’s that Carson Daly at the end wasn’t a great idea. Maybe they thought Jay was getting stale, it was about the same for better or worse for over ten years I don’t see what the deal was. But NBC only put Dateline on about 3 times a week because they didn’t have anything else. They must really not have anything now.
Jay will only call his socialist Chicago gangster buddy Obama and the government will take over WHDH and fire it’s management and then fund it with the pork in the stimulus package.
I think the real issue here is that NBC is trying to drop Leno into the 10 o’clock news time slot forcing it to be an hour later where less people will get that tiny bit of information they get daily. They want to force more ignorance of current affairs in the general public. This should be a crime.
All of these late night shows are duds; Leno, Letterman, Ferguson, O’Brien and that new guy. They are old and tired and that new guy is really, really bad. They only get viewers because there’s nothing else on late at night. If a network made an effort to put on decent second-run movies every weeknight at 1130, they could clean up.
According to KRON’s Wikipedia entry (yeah, I know, but it looks well researched), NBC lost a bid for their San Francisco affiliate, then got petulant, and demanded that the station operate as if NBC had owned them.
The owners of the station said ‘no’, so NBC pulled their affiliation.
Leno is so old school. Look at the dumb looking pix at the top of the page. What is that about? Same thing every night over and over. Oh well.
WHDH has a locked in audience for this time slot. You know, some people have Kids and have to get to work early in the morning so this is their Late Local News.
For these idiots at NBC to wage war against their own Station Affiliate because their ego tells them they are right (about scheduling a late night talk show that won’t work in this timeslot) is ludicrous.
This whole Leno 10pm thing was imposed on them. WHDH should be given the opportunity to schedule Leno the way they see fit. They know their audience a hell of a lot better than they Failed Leadership of NBC Execs.
ZUCKER PUT LENO AT TEN.
A COST-CUTTING HACK ONCE AGAIN.
THEN A BRAVE BEAN TOWN STRINGER,
GAVE THIS MOVE THE FINGER,
THE AFFILIATE REVOLUTION BEGINS!
Man, Jay should have walked. The urban legend that NBC is doing all this to destroy Jay Leno’s career so he can never threaten Conan (who could be viable for another 15-20 years) is sounding more and more like reality.
ABC would be bending over backwards to launch Jay right now at 11:35, but THIS is the first substantial story out about his new NBC show? Ouch.
One weird thing I always wonder (longtime Dave Letterman fan) – why does Jay NEVER seem to get sidelined with weird health or personal issues? Dave had shingles, a late-in-life baby, major bypass surgery and a stalker that dragged him into court cases over the course of a decade, but Jay hasn’t so much as fallen off his motorcycle. The guy is like a Cylon or something.
1. NBC has to go to war to keep ONE affiliate?
2. WHDH knows Leno’s show is the white flag of programming for the network.There won’t be any more ER’s in that timeslot.
3. The affiliate must want out pretty bad to do this.
4. Infomercials get bigger ratings than NBC shows.
Bone-headed move by those at the Boston affiliate. Jay is going to do well at 10 PM. His audience is only getting older (for example, my mother) and don’t like staying up until 11:35 as it is.
What news station wouldn’t want a consistent, solid lead-in like Jay? Nonsense.
Why go to war? They could easily give the affiliates the option of switching news to 10PM and putting Jay after, at 10:30. News wins with better lead in. Jay wins with earlier time slot. Conan follows Jay like he always has.
Of course, I’m probably the only one here who likes some of NBC’s programming — Chuck and 30 Rock are two of my favorite shows.
I admire the stand that WHDH is taking. NBC has an incredibly weak lineup and moving Leno to 10 is more of a cost-cutting measure than anything. I don’t think David will ultimately beat Goliath in this case, but good for them for sticking to their guns.
A larger problem for the affiliate is that their local news & anchor team isn’t spectacular. FOX25’s 10 p.m. broadcast has engaging personalities, a well-designed set and good content. Over the years, I feel that HDH has cycled through so many different anchors that they’ve lost much of their following.
I just tried hitting their site, however, and couldn’t get in. Maybe this news story will be an effective publicity stunt aimed at attracting more viewers. If that was the intent all along, then the HDH GM should be running NBC.
Stand up and fight the networks. Local folks know what is best for them. Networks only care about their bottom-line and could care less about the awesome responsibility granted to them in the First Amendment. They exist to soley to make money. Why do they even have a license to broadcast in the first place, what corruption makes this possible?
If I had a local station I would start by looking at the government-media-complex and the inter-locking corporate directorships. The relationship between General Electric who owns NBC and the tax breaks it receives or the tax burdens inflicted on its competitors by the government.
Today I listened to some remarks made by the “president” and others at G20 and it seemed to me that they think they work for the “global” community first and the citizens of the United States last, if at all! I wondered if the federal government even understands why its exists, who they work for, what is expected of it and its boundaries.
If I had a station this is a story that I would cover, in fact I would make it the organization primary purpose in life, everyday because we understand it is our responsibility to uphold the Constitution of the United States and we know that big government and big media networks will never do it, and so it comes down to us, the local folks.
Will this local station in Boston step up to the plate and do the right thing? Or is this simply a publicity stunt for the sake of money?
One thing is certain, if political bias, PC thought control & the corruption continue, our freedom and our liberty will further erode to a point where you will not recognize the country you are living in. In fact it will not be a country, it will cease and morph into a north American trade zone dictated to by nameless, faceless global socialists and capitalists who were never elected and know beter than you little local people, aka SHEEPLE!
Let’s hope all NBC affiliates follow suit. NBC needs to go way of the dinosaur. DIE, NBC, DIE!
The only show left on NBC that I watch is “Life”. When they cancel that (and I’m sure they will) I’m through with them. I can’t risk investing my time in a new program that they’ll cancel after 3 episodes.
You’d think if ANYONE was watching their programming, they’d leave it alone. Everybody wants a thoroughbred, nobody wants a workhorse. It’s not like M*A*S*H came out at number one and stayed there.
I don’t know why the networks think I have to invest my time in their crap when they aren’t willing to invest their own.
When Leno becomes funny maybe they will carry him.
I live in Boston, and think it doesn’t make sense to simucast the local news on channnel 7 and 56 every night. Fox25 local news blows them away every night.
People watch Leno for the monologue then switch to another channel
This is a job for Superbama. Clearly the Big O needs to step in, take over NBC, fire the CEO, and show Big Media how to run a network. The only question is while he get rid of Matt Wowwer while he’s at it.
The risk for NBC is that if the Boston affiliate dumps/moves Leno and is successful in the ratings, then a dozen or more affiliates will do the same thing. By January the Leno show will be toast and NBC will have lost all control of the 10pm slot.
I would rather watch old Johnny Carson/Ed McMahon shows than the current dinosaur on tv.
If Jay does well at 10 it will be primarily, if not only, for the same reason he did well at 11:35: There really is nothing else worth watching. Additionally, a (previous) post by “Alex” mentioned Dateline and airing it 3 times a week (didn’t they get up to 4/wk at one point?). Dateline, slanted as it is, was a pretty good “news magazine” many years ago, following the 60 Minutes format of three stories per hour. Dateline then dropped it to one story, and then sometimes extended the program to 2 hours! Still only covering one story. All the while, it never gave us more than 10 minutes of information. What a waste of viewers’ time, and what a bore. And with the dramatic vocal delivery of two of their male reporters I have avoided Dateline for sometime.
Would the Boston affiliate be in that much trouble if NBC pulled all their programming. They could probably make just as much money and be viewed by just as many people if scheduled nothing by syndicated programming.
As for Jay doing OK at 10PM, especially among older viewers, who cares? Older viewers aren’t what advertisers are looking for. Jay will need something to pull in the younger crowd and it’ll take more than his lame jokes and comedy 20 years out of date.
The Boston affiliate must be brain dead. Leno is an irreplaceable entertainer and they will be the losers if they cancel his show. His political jokes and commentary strikes me as always funny and sometimes strikes a nerve.
All of these armchair critics of Leno at 10:00 p.m. (9:00 Central) fail to realize something important. The “Tonight Show” format has often generated as much as 25% of NBC’s total network operations profits. Thus, trying Leno in prime-time is a reasonable gamble.
It’s a better gamble, in fact, than five unproven “high concept” scripted shows (which would undoubtedly be narrowly targeted to the “coveted” urban/coastal 18-49 demographic) or more endless variations of Dick Wolf’s “Law and Order” franchise.
Certainly narrow-casting, channel proliferation, internet/video game/home video competition, and the current decline in the advertising market makes things tough on network programmers. However, networks still deliver large pluralities of viewers. Moving a franchise player like Leno to prime-time may deliver a steady, quality audience affiliates.
WHDH, if they don’t at least give Leno a shot, ought to be renamed “WDUH.”
WHAT!!!???
You mean the affiliate is canceling early “crude and sexual humor hour” ?
What will our impressionable teenage kids watch?
Oh well, they always have Springer in the morning, and those annoying finger vibrator commercials every 10 minutes.
I never thought this country would be liberal or “Roman” enough to let companies advertise finger vibrators and pills to grow your penis in the middle of the day.
But hey, it’s not like it’s hurting anything right libs?
If it feels good, do it right libtards?
It’s not going to change our society into a bunch of perverts…. oh wait…
Okay, obviously the new Leno show has no merit whatsoever because all this (obviously-NBC-generated) media surrounding the hoopla doesn’t tell us one dang thing about what the show is about, the format…nothing. Can’t say I’ll rush out and watch anything with a Jay Leno-brand. Did anyone check his Q-rating??
Gotta laugh. This Zucker character really has no clue.
Hell, back in the day, Fred Silverman got his start by repurposing stuff he found floating around WGN. Given the cost of decent HD cameras (cheapish), laptop editing software, and the talent floating around, it’s about time a local station does some, well, local programming.
All it takes is money. Whether today’s MBA number-obsessed types “get it” is another question entirely.
Good for Boston…Leno never had half the class as Johnny Carson. Johnny knew that politics would lose half his audience.
Why not just have Obama give them a bailout, fire the WHDH staff and the NBC staff, and replace them with people who have never held jobs in the industry? That seems to be his solution to all other problems. Maybe it will work here?
NBC will go to the 1960’s and “recycle” some vast-wasteland shows — that’s all the creativity they have. Throw in some profanity & violence to increase the puke-rating, add some voyeurism, sprinkle with some creepy ’spiritual’ scenes, and then play to the lowest common denominator: and you have NBC programing. It is filled with pretty-people who can’t act, stories that are dark & postmodern-plotless, and lots of eye-candy camera-work. NBC is the new American Motors.
Hey, NBC! Find some genuinely talented writer! Tell them to craft something their grandparents would be proud of and their toddlers wouldn’t be ashamed of. Real stories. Real dialog. No trash-talk, making fun of straw-man conservatives or heartless liberals or body parts, or anything like that. No preaching ‘man-made global climate change’ and ’socialism is a great thing’ or any preaching at all. Find some folks who CAN act, but don’t need five hours of make up to look normal. Don’t focus on the ugliness inside of you or the hopelessness of the world, but on praising true beauty, genuine accomplishments, and honesty. You will sweep the sweeps! Mick
Sounds like NBC are playing the part of Der Stürmer. Julius Silverman and Jay Streicher play the “National Socialism” part really well.
GE/NBC is going to try to make an example of Boston to ‘discourage’ similar actions by other affiliates. GE/NBC is going to get out their copy of “How To ‘Handle’ A Union Organizer (Without Leaving A Bruise)” and use it on Boston.
And don’t forget that a market the size of Boston bailing will affect the national rate card for Leno if it’s not aired or moved to a 12 watt UHF channel.
Makes me want to move to Boston! I wish they had the balls to do it in my market!
Jay should have taken his show to ABC. NBC only offered him the 10 p.m. slot to keep him from competing against them. BUT the BOTTOMLINE is…”Jay is yesterdays NEWS. Jay RETIRE and go play with your CARS.
I remember when we lived in San Antonio and for years we watched the 10pm news on our favorite channel as we went to bed on weekdays. All of a sudden there was a schedule change and some stupid network reality show was popped in and the news slipped to 11pm, too late for us. Needless to say, we switched stations in anger and never watched that station during that time period. I understand the station, I say good for them and stick to their guns.
NO LENO IS BETTER THAN LETTERMAN (HES SCARY)
I don’t understand all the fuss.
I like Leno well enough, and given the opportunity to see his version of ‘Tonight’ at 10, the tops stories in the late local news at 11, and in bed before 11:30 sounds great! I hated having to stay up until nearly midnight just to see Headlines or Jaywalking.
If the TV station wants to revolt, that’s their business. If NBC wants to offer affiliation to anther station, that’s their business.
TV is changing, people. The era of great dramas like ER and L&O is coming to a close, and that’s okay. Just a part of the cycle of the TV phenomenon; radio went through some similar (not the same) changes a few decades ago.
So, basically, sit back and let NBC do what they want. It’s neither good nor evil; and ditto for the station.
who cares… news should be at 8 or nice and then shows… make it like europe. why the hell i want to watch news at 10? Is late… I should b in bed.. not watch some idiots of newsman and bimbos
Question is: how many more NBC affeliates are going to follow after Boston? Is a message being sent to Jeff Zucker and GE?
Once upon a time NBC was head and shoulders above other broadcasters. Garbage like this is why I haven’t watched any NBC shows in years.
I’ve totally stopped watching NBC since they canceled the unique and clever daytime show Passions to make way for yet another hour of Today. Their focus on creating the cheapest programming possible is going to be their death. Bravo to this affiliate for being willing to stand up to them.
Maybe looking at cost it will work for NBC, but for the public it sux. 10:00 is way too early for the same variety show EVERY NIGHT. How many hrs of variety shows can people take? It’s mind numbing. It’s tough to bet against Jay, but is this REALLY going to work night in night out?
Great! Jay stopped being a comedian once obama came on the scene. He could have used obama as he did President Bush in making jokes and really getting some laughs but instead he chose to drink the kool-aid and now I hope his show goes bust on all stations.
Obama has had so many gaffes Jay and you sit back and pretended it didn’t happen. I guess the jokes on you.
Now if we can get Letterman (kool-aid drinker also)
Personally, I can’t stand Leno…I’d find another station or channel, in the case of TV, rather than listen to or view Leno. I’m always in favor of local programming. Putting Leno in a 10 p.m. slot that could be better used is insane…but then most of what NBC does is questionable or maybe it’s really a manipulative way to ensure that the public gets even less of the day’s news.
No matter what you think of NBC one thing is true. WHDH’s boss is about the most heartless, underhanded, greedy, shriveled crypt-keeper of a “business-man” if ever there was one. He thinks with his wallet and he’ll rip the heart out of any man, woman, or child that’s standing on a dime on the sidewalk that he thinks belongs to him. If you’re screaming about NBC, get to know who you’re inadvertently cheering FOR. He aint the good guy. I hope NBC takes him to the cleaners and teaches him a lesson about contractual obligations. If he thinks Leno’s show just “isn’t in the cards”, I hope he gets royally flushed. Seriously, if he thought showing videos of babies being eaten at 10PM would make him another handfull of cash, he would video himself eating the babies. Scratch that… he’d force his staff to do it and then underpay them.
Where in the hell is the GE board of directors? NBC has become the AIG of broadcasting and the GE board sits on their ass and watch their stock spiral (thank you Mr. Immelt) and where the hell is Jack Welch? Zucker has become the George Bush of broadcasting and Silverman has become Brownie (nice work Brownie) of programming. First rule of business, never ever talk down your product or your distribution and finally the NBC Network is the neon sign to the public and when you don’t replace the burned out lights or the flickering lights you are reflecting neglect of your own business.
I live in the Boston area, and this is what I think will happen: NBC may end up (unless Leno’s new show is broadcast live) allowing WHDH-7 to broadcast NBC’s prime-time lineup from 7 to 10 P.M. EDT/EST Mondays-Saturdays.
Under such a scenario, WHDH would get NBC’s prime-time shows (including Leno) an hour earlier than everywhere else on the East Coast (although NBC might allow two or three other Eastern time zone stations to do this as an “experiment”).
Perhaps under such a scenario, WHDH might give-up it’s 11 P.M. newscast so Conan O’Brien’s “Tonight Show” would start at 11 P.M. and not 11:30 so NBC could see if an earlier late-night schedule would sttract more viewers.
Barring this, I think WHDH will blink and rescind it’s proposal. If they are stripped of their NBC affiliation, they’ll lose out of extra commercial revenues generated by:
(1) “NFL Sunday Night Football”, especially the two or three times each year when the New England Patriots are playing on “SNF”, and,
(2) Next February’s Winter Olympics in Vancouver. Unlike Torino in 2006, much of NBC’s prime-time coverage will be live, which means NBC should get much higher ratings this time around. And Boston has traditionally been the strongest market ratings-wise for figure-skating and hockey, the two sports that usually get the most American television airtime at a Winter Olympics.
And money talks.
It seems to me that NBC is bluffing. Leno’s audience is the same one which complained that the DTV discount coupons were running out, because they get their television from antennas rather than cable or satellite. A UHF station with poor coverage is no threat.
You idiots. Obama will FORCE you to watch Leno and NBC. He will also mandate that you obtain your news from MSNBC.
Reminds me of something…
“Ian Faith: The Boston gig has been cancelled…
David St. Hubbins: What?
Ian Faith: Yeah. I wouldn’t worry about it though, it’s not a big college town. ”
- Spinal Tap
The reason Jay never misses a show is because he’s terrified of having a “Guest Host”- after all, that’s how HE stole the TONIGHT SHOW gig from Carson’s chosen heir, Letterman!
Leno’s the highest rated talk show host in Late Night. His fans adore him. I know he’s not well respected in the industry and that the right wing hates NBC (did this story get linked on Drudge or something? I hate when that happens…), but Jay = money. As one of the previous comments stated, his fanbase is only getting older, so this move to an earlier hour might be smart, allowing the 50+ audience to go to bed “at a reasonable hour” and giving the network much cheaper programming in prime time.
The downsides: writers aren’t going to be happy about having five hours taken away from them. But with more cable channels like AMC exploring scripted programming, there are more options than ever for writers to find an outlet for their shows.
The local news: venerable news anchors in bigtime markets are being fired left and right. The idea that these markets make money off their local news is outdated. And I’d bet the same demographic that watches local news is the one that watches Leno. And Jay’s got years of experience holding onto that demo.
Lastly, to address the morons from Drudge: the idea that viewers in Boston would be offended by the Democratic President’s recent visit to Mr. Leno’s show is nuts. That’s like Yankees fans thinking everyone should be outraged when Theo Epstein gets interviewed. It’s Boston. They root for the Red Sox & they vote for Democrats. Get over it, guys.
Zucker should have seen this coming when he admitted NBC is doing Leno@10 for profits, not ratings. Affiliates don’t care about network profits. I just delivered a university lecture about the imploding relationship between networks and affiliates, so this makes me look like friggin’ Kreskin.
Bottom line is dollars. Affiliates make their money from airing local sponsorships. No good lead in from NBC prime time added to the fact that TV news signifigance is lessened due to the web suggests that its time to rethink the traditional affiliate-network set up. NBC should probably on have two hours of primetime for comedy and dramas. Move the news to 10 and then take back over at 11. Tell Leno your on at 11 because your king of late night, as ratings suggest, say to Conan, “your funny but ratings were starting to fall that last two years, so you now at 12 instead of 12:30 and Fallon will just be sent back down to the basement where he seriously belong…not funny. Now they can scratch an hour of entertainment from budgets, make affiliates happy and give them an hour of local programming to make up lost revenue and compete with 10′oclock news on FOX, and still beat CBS in latenight. As for the issue of Conan bolting…Seriously, he’s a smart man. NBC has been good for him…Why would he leave over bruised ego, when he knows the big show would still be on the horizon for him. I mean its not like ABC and Kimmel does well and Letterman has never been able to sustain his audience to overtake Leno.
Since we’re on the subject of NBC and its affiliates. Here is a question that needs answering. Why wasn’t the highly touted ER finale in the sweep which ended on Wednesday night? Wouldn’t the local affils have benefited from having the finale lead-in its local news in the sweep, instead of out of the sweep?
I like Leno’s stand-up (as corny as it is) but he’s the worst interviewer in the history of TV. He had on Paul Giamatti a week or so ago — this guy is one of the country’s most distinguished actors. And he didn’t manage to ask a SINGLE interesting question about Giamatti’s work or career — just mindless blather and small talk. That said, I would like to be able to check out Leno’s prime time show to see whether or not it’s any good — and it’s not like there’s a lack of news programming out there (which is what the Boston affiliate plans on airing during the 10pm slot). So, I think the Boston affiliate is doing the wrong thing: we simply don’t need yet ANOTHER news broadcast at 10pm (I live in Boston).
Boston is the no. 6 market in the country, not airing Leno already means his ratings won’t be good. And once the first affiliate drops a show, or airs it at 2 in the morning, others follow suit. Either before Leno airs, or after his ratings settle in at a low number, other affiliates will be joining Boston.
NBC’s response was so mean, ugly and over-the-top I’ve decided to stop watching the one NBC show (Earl) I still watch.
To paraphrase what Dean Wormer told the John Belushi character in Animal House – Zucker: fat, mean and stupid is no way to go through life.
Leno at 10PM = The New Coke of television.
Wow, there sure are a lot of rednecks in this country.
Ed Ansin and NBC have a rocky history. It goes back to the 1980s when NBC took its affiliation away from Ansin’s WSVN in Miami, partly because of preemptions. And according to who you talk to, Ansin bought WLVI in Boston so NBC couldn’t get its mitts on it.
This is Ansin getting back at NBC for hosing him. But for NBC to pull the affiliation and move it to the Telemundo affiliate is just silly. Can NBC/Uni really afford it? Look at what happened in San Francisco. NBC threw a hissy fit because Young Broadcasting outbid it for KRON. Instead of working with the new owners and staying on one of the strongest stations in the Bay Area, it basically extorted Young into dumping the affiliate with sore-loser reverse-compensation demands. So what does NBC do? Pour millions of dollars into propping up a weak station in San Jose to satisfy its ego.
What NBC needs to do is make peace with Ansin and pay him to run Leno at 10, at a fee higher than he could get with a newscast. It may hurt some feelings at 30 Rock, but it’s a heckuvalot cheaper than doing a KRON job on Boston.
Joseph: I’m in the Boston area too. I doubt NBC would allow a station to run stuff an hour early, although that’s a possibility. More likely they’ll agree to run Leno at 10:35.
I’m definitely interested to see how this plays out — when one side says ‘hey, we have a contractual right to do this’ and the other side says ‘no you don’t', you know there are going to be a lot of lawyers reaping hefty fees.
Hey maybe it’s time to put Jeff Zucker on the Apprentince and let Donald Trump freak him out when he screws with a task.
Zucker makes dumb plan based on Conan demos…
Conan demos age…Leno can go syndi, ABC, Fox…and mess with Conan at 11 30. Oh, what to do. Save the 40 mill owed to Conan if they back out….put Jay at 10 for one book; cancel Conan move Jay back and all is fine in stupid-dom.
Conan works; Jay fails then Jay gets the boot and goes back to 11 30 (where he delivers) on ABC, Fox or in Syndi.
Ahhhhh the book that’s in the works right now.
“TV is changing, people. The era of great dramas like ER and L&O is coming to a close, and that’s okay. Just a part of the cycle of the TV phenomenon; radio went through some similar (not the same) changes a few decades ago.”
You could have written this in 1988 and said St. Elsewhere and Hill Street Blues instead of ER and L&O. All you need is another ER and L&O for 2010. The question is will the broadcast networks be the ones who develop them?
As for radio decades ago… and the guy who thinks NBC wants his mother to watch Leno… how old are you people??? And why do you think broadcast cares about you and your mothers?
I live in the Boston area and the reason WHDH wants to have a 10 pm newscast is because our Fox News station has a 10 pm newscast that cleans up in the ratings. It’s numbers consistently beat other shows in the same time slot, including scripted shows. In fact, the news at 10 on Fox WFXT here in Boston always holds a couple of spots in the top-10 most watched programs every week.
WNEU is only broadcasting in 480i digital and their signal is out of Merrimack NH some 50 miles NW of Boston.The signal doesnt reach Boston and thier translator station is off the air until june and thats a weak one too
“Jay will only call his socialist Chicago gangster buddy Obama and the government will take over WHDH and fire it’s management and then fund it with the pork in the stimulus package.
Comment by Alice — April 2, 2009 @ 10:10 pm”
These political drudgy comments are so funny. Not everything has to do with Obama. The drudgies remind of Walter from The Big Lebowski.
The Dude: God damn you Alice! You f**kin’ a**hole! Everything’s a f**kin’ travesty with you, man! And what was all that s**t about Obama? What the F**K, has anything got to do with Obama? What the f**k are you talking about?
It’s a tossup between NBC and ABC for trash shows, unimaginative scripts, sloppy writing and idiotic program execs shoving their garbage at us in the name of entertainment. I’d like to watch something now and then that doesn’t tell me I’m not green enough, how great a politician is, or how I should be running my life. Why does GE even keep these clowns from NBC around?
I’m not in the Boston area, but I hope KOB in Albuquerque does the same thing. Leno has ceased to be funny. He’s a losser that can’t do anything but still make George Bush jokes. YAWN…Sorry, but George is gone… forget him and let it go Leno!
None of this has anything to do with national politics. In fact I know exactly why NBC is hurting: because I cursed it when they canceled Star Trek in 1969.
I wonder how many local NBC affil GMs are taking note of this because most Fox stations across the country run at least half-an-hour of local news during the last hour of NBC prime.
They all probably don’t do as well as the Boston Fox newscast…But, many of them probably do well enough for it to be a concern.
More NBC stations will do what WHDH did.
WHDH Primetime Schedule starting in September 2009
Monday-Friday
6 PM: 1-hour newscast
7 PM: Sports or a movie. Sports can be anything in college, high school, or the pros. Boston is a sports city so sports will thrive.
10 PM: 1-hour newscast
11 PM: Classic TV
Saturday
6 PM: Boston College sports pregame
7 PM: Boston College Sports (or high school action)
10 PM: 1-hour newscast
11 PM: Classic TV
Sunday
6 PM: 1-hour Newscast
7 PM: Movie or sports
9 PM: Classic TV
10 PM: 1-hour newscast
11 PM: Classic TV
For the record, WNEU will kill NBC if NBC programming is transferred to that station. WHDH is in good shape because Boston is a sports crazed city and I am guessing that they already drop NBC programming to air sports. Besides, they will not miss Sunday Night Football if the Patriots are playing. If the game is a home sellout or the Pats are playing on the road, the NFL requires the game to air on broadcast television in both teams home markets. Since WNEU can’t be reached to most of Boston, WHDH must pick up the signal when NBC broadcasts a Patriots game.
As for the Olympics, if more NBC affiliates rebel aganist NBC and leave the network, the IOC could declear non-performance on the part of the broadcaster and put the 2010 and 2012 rights back up for bid with NBC losing its investment due to stupid decisions by Jeff Zucker and Ben Silverman.
If I were Dick Embersol, I would be plotting my revolt right now in a effort to wrest control away from Jeff Zucker, take control of NBC overall, give Bob Costas my old job, and have Jim Lampley be the primetime anchor for the Vancouver Olympics. This nonperformance by NBC had to end a few years ago. The executives made their bed, now they have to lie in it.
“None of this has anything to do with national politics. In fact I know exactly why NBC is hurting: because I cursed it when they canceled Star Trek in 1969.”
LOL! Agreed. It’s about NBC making terrible programming decisions. If NBC is giving up on programming prime time, then I don’t blame the Boston affiliate. Pretty soon, scripted dramas will be on cable only.
each person either likes or dislikes jay leno i doubt there are any people who can truthfully say they never saw or heard him.. personally i like him he’s funny handsome and dresses a helluva lot better than DL … Leno at least doesn’t wear goofy looking white sox with little ballet slippers like DL does. case closed.
When did DHD get so much Freeper interest? This comment section is crawling with braindead freeper trolls–which is sort of odd given the topic (seriously, an NBC affiliate rebuffs it’s Corporate teat and that means Jay Leno is a socialist mobster from Chicago? LOL, man I couldn’t make this stuff up if I tried).
socialist socialist socialists, libtards, libtards libtards— it’s like someone set a 12 year old loose with a quarter for a keyword (which may be too close to the truth there).
As for WHDH –Christopher Francis above nailed it. I was in the bay area during those years with the KRON bloodbath. What a waste on both ends. KRON was a great station, nothing much now and NBC now has no real affiliate there at all. This really is about corporate business people in the entertainment market who are terrible at both corporate business and making great entertainment for their market.
To all the people upset at NBC for allowing the President to appear on Leno your lack of critical thinking and observation is stunning. When a political figure is liked by over half the population (yeah, I know it is only supposed to happen when YOU like them) it doesn’t hurt a show to have them on as a guest.
But beyond that, NBC is only a small portion of the GE Corporate entity. Their defense business would be what would enable a bailout to their financial unit. Their entertainment unit is a sideline at best and of little interest to the corporate honchos in the great scheme of things.
That said Zucker continues apace to destroy that brand. I’m not a lawyer, but you cannot tell me that a good one could not make a case for the affliate/affliates in any battle about airing Leno. Zucker has publically admitted that he no longer manages NBC in order to get ratings but to manage his margins. It may keep NBC in the black but it doesn’t provide the value to the affliates that programming NBC to attract viewers does. This means that NBC is no longer attempting to meet its obligations to its affliates. But Zucker needs them to manage his margins. He probably should have kept his mouth shut.
So Zucker and NBC are going Godfather because the floodgates would open if any affliate is allowed to reject the Leno primetime plan.
I like the Jay Leno show but I am glad to see NBC Boston affiliate WHDH stand up to NBC.
I tape the Leno show when he has guests that are worth
seeing. NBC should let this be.
It’s a free country but this is a site typically dedicated to people who actually have a vested interest in the entertainment industry, not for every Drudge Report reader to give his or her two cents about Jay Leno being a socialist (really?). I’ve worked in Hollywood for 20 years with Producers, grips, gaffers, writers, actors, cameramen, carpenters and drivers… and I can count the extreme right wingers that I’ve met (I’m talking “everyone in Hollywood is a pinko” type) on one finger. Guess which finger?
For the record, President Obama made a precedent by appearing on the Tonight Show in person. Now I am not upset that Obama made the appearance, but I am going to say what Coach K said about the President’s NCAA Basketball Tournament bracket, “instead of making media appearances by filling out a bracket (or appearing on the Tonight Show) the president should be focusing on the economy.”
Yes the President should have not made the appearance on the show, but he did and we have to accept that. As for basketball, ESPN had the right to get the President to make his bracket. He proved himself to be a basketball fan during the campaign and I am sure that the federal government is putting the finishing touches on the White House Basketball court which replaces the White House Bowling alley. If my taxes go toward that luxury for our president, regardless of political party, I am all for it.
Leno used to be funny. His guest appearances on Letterman were hilarious, his early guest hosting days for Carson were good, I even liked his Tonight Show through the 90’s, then, suddenly, about 5 or 6 years ago, he’s doing anti-gay, anti-woman, anti-intelligence “jokes.”
Disgruntled affiliates are like mice. If you can see one, there are 15 more you can’t see. Watch the floodgates open, people.
If NBC were to dump WHDH where do they go? Telemundo is really not an option for them, and do you really see CBS’ independent channel 38 hooking up with NBC? I would not be surprised if the CW were to move to WHDH in the fall if NBC pulls the plug. You fill prime time with decent, young-skewing programming and build local news blocks in the morning, 4-6pm and 10pm. Actually sounds like a winner to me.
NBC (and Zucker) are now about to play the new Reality Game Show “Whack a Mole!”
Wonder if they are up for it?
Any chance this is just a brilliant PR strategy by NBC to draw attention to the show (what with Conan now being gone and Fallon not having ironed out the wrinkles yet?)
It WOULD be in NBC’s best interest to move their affiliation to a UHF station. After June 12th every station except WHDH will be on UHF (PBS on 19, ABC on 20, CBS on 30, FOX on 31), all easier to receive with small antennas.
VHF does a HORRIBLE job in digital (just ask WVNY up in Burlington, Vermont and WWNY in Watertown, New York).