UPDATE: Tonight, the SAG National Majority-controlled actors guild finally sent out its first statement regarding the current AMPTP negotiations standstill, and the AMPTP responded. (See both below) The rejection of the AMPTP's "last best & final" offer made Wednesday was not a unanimous vote -- 73% to 27% -- at today's Special Meeting of SAG's National Board. And the panel refused a Membership First-sponsored motion to both reject the AMPTP's "Last Best & Final" offer and in addition send out the Strike Authorization Vote to members. "The majority of MF didn't believe just a rejection was strong enough," a source tells me. But the board also refused to let SAG members choose whether to ratify the AMPTP's proposed TV/Theatrical Contract as is. (FYI: I urged the previous leadership, and I'll do it again now, to send out the contract to SAG members as soon as possible. They need to have their voices heard.) So, once again, the SAG-AMPTP negotiations for a new pact are at an impasse.
It continues to amaze me how the SAG National Majority and their handpicked new Interim National Executive Director David White and Chief Negotiator John McGuire have no immediate plan, no blueprint for the future, no even suggestions, as to what to do next now that the SAG-AMPTP talks are stalled yet again. Especially since the coalition-in-charge of Unite For Strength, the New York Division, and the Regional Branches kept complaining about the exact same impasse under the previous leadership. "Considering how they behaved today, they're not just still in shock from Thursday. They must be in a coma," my source said.
Several sources tell me that White himself told the National Board today that the AMPTP's offer "sucked" -- then apologized for using "such inappropriate language". (I'm pretty sure SAG members have been using way worse words to describe it.) But White offered no guidance to the board as to what to do next. Nevertheless, his new $400,000+ contract as Interim NED was approved at today's plenary. But it was done without any board vetting. "The New York Division denied the board any opportunity to ask questions regarding White or the contract," one of my sources fumed tonight. "So SAG just hired its highest paid executive without an interview." (One question would have been why White is receiving the equivalent of former NED and chief negotiator Doug Allen's salary but doing only half the work.)
So now the SAG National Majority has put the Guild into an awkward "wait and see" position, naively hoping against hope that the AMPTP will take pity on it and offer better terms. As if. Even the previous leadership only faced a "last and best" offer, not a "last, best and final" offer which is even more unmoveable in labor negotiations. Especially with the AMPTP threatening to withdraw it or offer worse terms if the LB&O isn't approved within 60 days. "Things are at more of a standstill than before," a source tells me. My own guess is that the AMPTP will laugh in SAG's face. One SAG National Majority member told the meeting she thought SAG should just stay with its old contract -- which would mean absolutely no pay for New Media at all for the actors for another two years at least.
Here's the SAG statement tonight:
STATEMENT FROM SAG NATIONAL BOARD OF DIRECTORS
SAG NATIONAL BOARD REJECTS AMPTP LAST, BEST AND FINAL OFFERLos Angeles, (February 21, 2009) – The Screen Actors Guild National Board of Directors today voted 73% to 27% to “reject the AMPTPs last, best and final offer dated February 19, 2009.”
We entered this round of negotiations sending an unmistakably clear message that we were ready to make a deal. In an effort to put the town back to work, our negotiator agreed to modify the Guild’s bargaining position to bring the Guild in line with the deals made by our sister unions.
The AMPTPs last-minute, surprise demand for a new term of agreement extending to 2012 is regressive and damaging and clearly signals the employers’ unwillingness to agree to the deal they established with other entertainment unions. The demand for a new term of agreement was not part of their final offer of June 30, 2008; it was not part of the federally mediated talks of November 2008, and should not have been inserted into the discussions when we returned to negotiations on February 17, 2009.
What management presented as a compromise is, in fact, an attempt to separate Screen Actors Guild from other industry unions. By attempting to extend our contract expiration one year beyond the other entertainment unions, the AMPTP intends to deleverage our bargaining position from this point forward.
Screen Actors Guild’s goal is to successfully complete these negotiations and get the industry back to work as soon as possible. The AMPTP has clearly stated their need and desire for financial certainty and industry peace. This new proposal does the exact opposite, and will only result in constant negotiating cycles and continued labor unrest.
So the SAG National Majority now admits it rolled back the previous leadership's bargaining positions. Yet see how the AMPTP tells the so-called "moderates" that their terms are still too militant. Here's the AMPTP statement:
The Producers' offer is strong and fair - and has been judged to be strong and fair by all of Hollywood's other major Guilds and Unions. We have kept our offer on the table - and even enhanced it - despite the historically
unprecedented economic crisis that has clobbered our nation and our industry. The Producers have always sought a full three-year deal with SAG, just as we negotiated with all the other Unions and Guilds, and have offered SAG a way to achieve an earlier expiration date without contributing to further labor uncertainty. We simply cannot offer SAG a better deal than the rest of the industry achieved under far better economic conditions than those now confronting our industry.


I know precisely how to proceed.
FULL SPEED AHEAD!!
We will merge with AFTRA in record time!
Pay no attention to those giant white things on the horizon.
We are unsinkable! It says so in the brochure.
No clue huh? Imagine that… Maybe the U4S’s can give back their seats. Give us back our duly elected president and voice, Alan Rosenberg along with our proportionately representative negotiating committee and last but not least our “hard nosed” negotiator Doug Allen and let the grown-ups get on and back with the union buisness of securing working actors a FAIR contract!
let me guess…sag thinks they have a good shot at getting bailout money from the Obama administration…
When I’m stuck like this I usually call someone who has more experience and understanding than me. Maybe they could call Doug Allen.
Fuck me…there you go Matt…you got your wish. Enjoy watching the town shut down. Fuck SAG.
Let’s see – both MF and UFS think the offer sucks, MF is under the delusion that a SAV is still possible and UFS KNOWS a SAV would fail leaving them forced to take the offer. Yet NEITHER side trusts the judgement of the members enough to send the offer out for ratification, MF because it might pass UFS they think it might not. All this and as the terms of the offer stipulate, the deal can be withdrawn completely or a lesser offer can take it’s place if action is not taken in 60 days. The AMPTP may be approaching a time where they are no longer bound to remain signatory to SAG as the exclusive actors union for feature films leaving AFTRA with a contract in place to fill the void. Think it can’t happen? It already has happened in the history of labor in America. RESPECT THE MEMBERS AND SEND THE OFFER OUT FOR RATIFICATION!
Oh, for GOD SAKES!!!
Well, since you have correct information, what the hell. The extremists on both sides, and after this missed opportunity, I have no hesitation saying that, have blown a chance to find SOME common ground and MOVE the union forward.
White was approved without ANY vetting. The NY contingent made that possible.
White DID say “this deal sucks.”
So – the HANDPICKED guy by UFS says that, and, in the Hollywood division, everybody breaks into spontaneous applause – EXCEPT UFS members, all of whom seemed stunned THEIR guy said the truth.
There WAS an opportunity between the two Hollywood factions: UFS and MF to POSSIBLY form some sort of consensus around “reject the contract, and send out the SAV.” The squabble was over “Wait 30 days? Wait 45 days? (to give the AMPTP, after the contract had been rejected, time to perhaps respond to the contract being rejected with a better offer)
But – who put the kibosh on ANY SAV talk?
New York. Specifically Richard “I’ll never strike” Masur. NO SAV attachment, with 30 or 45 days – period, end of story.
This union is being run by extremists – on both sides – New York AND L.A.
People who are SO consumed with revenge and hatred for the other side, they have lost ALL perspective as to what is needed to do SOMETHING.
MF HAD the chance to send out the SAV, OR send out the contract – either one. They did neither. They “waited” out of fear they wouldn’t get the result they wanted.
New York HAD the chance today to send out an SAV and cut to the chase – they dind’t do it. ANYTHING that allows an SAV to get into the hands of ANYONE – even “their fellow moderates – UFS” is off-limits. They don’t trust Hollywood – whether it’s UFS OR MF – to send out an SAV, because Richard Masur is afraid it might pass, along with a number of other NY people – but he is the ringleader, the bully who talks loudest and runs roughshod over anyone who disagrees with him.
On the MF side – it’s David Jolliffe – he shouts, he’s angry, sometimes rightfully so, but he gets us NOWHERE. It’s all about how NY has screwed them in the past, told them one thing – PROMISED them one thing – and then done something else.
It was said openly today “we don’t trust you” and “yeah, well, we don’t trust you.”
SAG needs to throw ALL these people out on both sides of the divide and get some sensible adults, without the baggage, and make some fucking decisions.
Right now? SAG just officially voted to reject the contract, nearly unanimously, the only people who voted no, where the usual suspects on the MF side, who wanted to vote ON PRINCIPAL so as not to agree in ANY WAY with UFS or USAN or NY or RBD. The few MF members who voted no, voted so simply to express their REJECTION OF THE REJECTION of the contract MINUS an attached SAV.
How’s that for the train wreck the leadership of SAG has become?
So – no to the contract. The membership? Doesn’t get to vote – AGAIN. Not on the contract. Not on an SAV – nothing.
The membership votes on nothing with UFS in charge.
The membership voted on nothing with MF in charge.
They plan to turn to the commercial contract, and then, at some later date, return to the TV/Theatrical.
How is that for completely inefficient, emotion and ideology driven non-leadership?
Is there ANY way the membership can take back this union from these people? NOW?
Because we can’t afford any more or this behavior – that’s for damn sure.
LET the membership vote on an SAV, OR, let them vote on the contract – but let them VOTE.
YOU serve US – NOT the other way around.
Pop the champagne… we’ll worry about this on Monday morning!
The only hope this business has is for hypocrites like George Clooney to take a break from his photo ops with impoverished children overseas and take a stand on the children of his coworkers and fellow union members and demand the AMPTP offer a fair deal so we can get back to work.
When these stars suggest SAG take the offer they are threatening not just their fellow SAG members, they threaten everyone who relies on the entertainment industry for their survival. Because this contract offer is FORCING US TO VOTE YES ON THE STRIKE BALLOT.
The AMPTP is the enemy for sure, but as these stars sidle up with the AMPTP they screw the livelihood of everyone who works for a living in this town.
Unless Clooney, DeVito, Hanks, Alexander, Diaz, and the rest of the self-serving millionaires reconsider their stand to support the conglomerates who deny Americans fair pay and health insurance for their children this thing will drag on FOREVER.
SAG members will not approve this contract. Sop let’s start the strike now instead of watching a pushing contest in the SAG board room that today cost the membership $400,000. C’mon!
On a side note, that moron Ned Vaughn at the last meeting I attended made a statement before the Board introducing himself as “Ned Vaughn, a member of Unite for Strength…” Other UFS members introduced themselves the same way. What??? Is this a game to these morons?? They should be SAG Board Members PERIOD. Petty. “I’m Alfalfa, a member of the He Man Woman Haters Club.” C’mon people. Grow up!!!!
Now back to the celebs who really run the world:
The short-sightedness and self-serving of these fellow union members who choose to side with the AMPTP rather than educate themselves and support the teams from all the unions that support them is despicable.
First, I object to the idea that David White’s worth what we were paying Doug Allen if he’s not our chief negotiator as well as NED.
Second, for $400k a year, I expect better than being told what I already know – that the AMPTP’s “last best final” neener-neener-neeeeeeener offer “sucked”. I expect that White would have some idea as to what he’d like to do about it.
White has to know he’s got MF totally behind him for sending out an SAV, so the lack of movement may rest with the new majority coalition. I think at this point the coalition could easily tell the high-profile hyphenates to take a hike and send out the SAV. With a recommendation for a yes vote from MF and the coalition, I’m confident we could marshal 75%.
Now if the strategy – as I have already read some speculation about – is to sit on our hands for a spell and join the WGA in a couple of years, White should at least have the testicular fortitude to come out and say so. I’m not sure how that would work, honestly. Aren’t there conditions under which the employers could impose the new contract unilaterally???
Maybe the problem is the SAG election coming up before that – an election that could see U4S and other so-called “moderates” (not my term for them, the AMPTP’s. And we’ve now seen their opinion of that faction) shown the door before they even had a chance to measure for curtains.
I would like to think that isn’t the case. I would like to think that all factions – even if they disagree about this or that – at least have the best interests of the guild at heart.
For quite some time now, more than a few actors have been saying the one thing the AMPTP will actually respond to is pain applied the one place they feel anything at all – their pocketbooks.
Mr. White, and ladies and gentlemen of the new majority coalition, your choice is clear. You can either sit on your hands for two years, and maybe you’ll still be in national and regional board positions to work with the WGA, or send out the SAV now.
In any event, I have one urgent request. Hire a good dozen or more organizers post-haste. The time is now to build up SAG the way Patric Verrone built up the WGA in preparation for their last labor action. If you expect the WGA to take you seriously as a negotiating partner, you have to show them you understand – as they do – the vital importance of grass-roots labor organizing.
Put some sort of ballot in my mailbox already. Either put this to the vote by the membership or put out a strike authorization. No one’s going to listen until the membership speaks out one way or the other.
That’s right, Chris. It’s clearly SAG’s fault and the not the greed and rigidity of the AMPTP. Brilliant and well-worded response.
Enough’s enough. We paid initiation fees, we pay dues. It’s our union. There has to be something membership as a whole can come together and do instead of letting our own “leadership” play keep away with us. Send out the strike authorization already. But do so realizing the AMPTP will not blink at the mere passage of it. Don’t be “shocked” if they aren’t fazed by an authorization alone. The only message these people will get is a strike. Period. They’ll never agree to give us back anything we give up now, so forget the Polly-Anna “let’s just agree to the deal now and renegotiate in 3 years” cry. The AMPTP is already trying to put us last in the batting order again so we can be painted as villains for not rubber stamping the deal that every other union took.
Wow, Doug Allen gets 400K, now White gets 400K. I want 400K. Can I become the next negotiator? I’m broke, I need 400K, I’ll get things rolling, promise.
10 year vested member of SAG!
I didn’t want to do it but… Fi-Core, here I come!
FUCK SAG! I’m D-O-N-E!
Could someone please put a muzzle on Richard Masur.
He is sabatoging SAG out of revenge. Enough already, Please, please, Richard, get a life.
Fuck Sag. Why should they get a better deal than everyone else?
Fuck Sag
richard masur and his minions are anti-unionists who should be charged with conduct unbecoming and thrown out of the union.
Although I’ve always felt the negotiating committee under Rosenberg and Allen was undermined by both the “stars” and UFS, when UFS got control of the room I reluctantly gave them the benefit of the doubt. I wanted them to show us what they could do. Certainly Ned Vaughn spoke publicly that they “knew how to get things done.”
Unfortunately, the situation is worse than ever and the proposed idea that we could negotiate at a later, more ideal date, with AFTRA or the WGA which was meant to inspire confidence in some invisioned future clout…well that’s not in the cards.
So, what to do?
Mulhern is right. MF, for whatever reason, after polling the members, did not send us a contract or an SAV. And now, the majority-UFS- because of the economy(?) or Masur’s absolute antipathy, also will not send out a SAV. More significantly, it seems they are reluctant to even send out the contract…
Well, you know what? That doesn’t fly. It’s time for us to get our Union back. You guys on both sides of this stupid struggle for control have failed miserably and we, the membership, have been without a voice.
SEND OUT THE CONTRACT! DO IT NOW!
This is not representation. You are being abusive to the membership. Your actions constitute gross incompetence and hubris on the part of ALL the board members.
I really don’t care who was wrong in the past or whose tactics were the most blind or damaging to our cause. I WANT A SAY IN THIS!
I WANT TO VOTE! I WANT TO VOTE NOW!!!
Well…
A Membershipfirst board member made a motion to thoroughly reject the LBF and send out the SAV. That was their motion. It failed due to the lack of support from all UFS, NY and virtually all RBD members. MF wanted to get it out to the members. They were denied. So, the majority of MF voted against the simple motion to just tell the AMPTP that SAG denies its LBF because it lacked any teeth. Do you think the AMPTP cares if SAG refuses it’s LBF? Come on!! Also, I’ve been told that there is very little trust for UFS/NY/RBD by MF due to the recent written assent. The fear was that if there was a strong unanimous turnout of that vote, the AMPTP may amend their demand that SAG negotiate early with AFTRA by Nov 10, 2011 “or else” and then “I’ll take anything McGuire” would then present the AMPTP a SAG package that is completely gutted of all that is worth fighting for, including residuals in new media, and the AMPTP will agree, announce a tentative deal, and UFS/NY/RBD will claim victory, Ned Vaughn will be seen as a genius and McGuire will be called a tough, heroic negotiator. Screw that!! The majority of MF is holding firm for us. They believe the fix is in. How much you want to bet that UFS/NY/RBD may try another written assent to deny the board a minority report if SAG does finally send out a referendum? Or a written assent that gives McGuire the authority to present a final proposal package to the AMPTP without any imput from the board or that so- called New “task force”?
Please keep fighting strong, MF. And please do whatever you guys can to ensure that at some point the members get to have some sort of say whether it be a SAV or a referendum? The AMPTP has said, clearly, “Fu%$ You to both Doug Allen, Alan Rosenberg et al and now Ned Vaughn and his crew. We told you. The AMPTP doesn’t give a flying you know what about who sits on the other side of the table. They are there to bust our union. Didn’t Vaughn and his crew state in the written assent that they, under the leadership of McGuire and the new and improved negotiating committee would bring back a deal in a New York minute? Didn’t the written assent blame Doug Allen and others for irresponsibly dragging their feet? Didn’t Vaughn and his gang accuse Doug Allen et al for being too unrealistic and strident with the AMPTP, therefore causing too much of a delay in the negotiating process? Ok, so now where are we, Ned? What’s your end game plan? Why couldn’t you do what you claimed Doug and others couldn’t do? Why couldn’t you and your gang deliver a contract that the national board could enthusiastically endorse? You had three full days. Remember when Ned, Sam and that gang complained that Doug et al had “Two full days” of mediation and couldn’t deliver a contract? Remember that? Not so easy is it, Ned. And you had the Great McGuire on your side. The man whose been a SAG negotiator for 40 years! The man who knew the in’s and out’s of the contracts and where all of the bodies were buried. And of course you had the fabulously talented, savvy and negotiating experts Fairchild, Fried, Hodge, Pneiwski,Duer, Robards and last but not least, you, Ned. The smartest of them all. You, the UFS golden boy. You’re a freakin’ joke.
which dirtbag over at the Film Actors Guild do we send our mortgage statements to ?? You idiots are going to lose my home for me … f’ all of you !!!
allow our membership to vote
allow us to strike
that is our right
if not, this union is toast and you won’t be seeing any more checks in the mail, our hard earned dollars to prop up your internicine bickering and finger pointing incompetence.
The members want their union back. NOW!
“a Captain should endeavor with every art to divide the forces of the enemy, either by making him suspicious of his men in whom he trusted, or by giving him cause that he has to separate his forces, and, because of this, become weaker.”
The Art of War (Dell’arte della guerra)-Machiavelli
union advocate wrote:
“MF wanted to get it out to the members. They were denied.”
i would like to add AGAIN. MF was denied the opportunity to take this to the membership for, what is it now, the third time?
there’s more union history, union and labor law knowledge, tough negotiating ability and wisdom in three MF members, in particular, than there is in almost the entire union combined.
Has anyone thought that by rejecting both the contract and the SAV they can now say “Let’s merge with AFTRA now, They have a contract?”
Dear New York,
Fuck you.
Sincerely,
Los Angeles
Does it feel like you’ve just played into the hands of the guys pulling the strings. With 70% of the pilots being shot HiDef i.e. AFTRA and probably not a big deal to relaunch exsisting shows into that medium regardless of what they say can’t be done. SAG, as far as television goes, has just lept to it’s demise. Sorry guys.
I urge the leadership to send SAG members the strike authorization ballots as soon as possible. We need to have our voices heard.
hulu and youtube are moving to the speed of light:
HULU COMMERCIAL:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m71m-LBqFQ
“Hulu. An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy”
WE WILL NOT ALLOW ANYBODY TO DESTROY OUR GUILD. We’ll strike. The membership of SAG won’t accept peanuts as payment for our work.
YOUTUBE NEWS RELEASE:
http://www.youtube.com/blog?entry=sDFlZe7FwJI
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“historically unprecedented economic crisis”? WTF? Haven’t these idiots ever heard of the Depression in the 1930s? Either they were skipping history class during high school or have the IQ of a toilet plunger! Oh wait, I’m sorry, I forgot this is Hollywood where they rewrite the past to fit their views.
Wanna kick me off the Hollywood board? Be my guest. You’ll be doing me a favor and I would go quietly. Membership SHOULD hold the fellow members they elected responsible and show the door to those board members that aren’t living up to the covenant of representing the branch that elected them. I just need to get something off my chest. And through this whole political drama it’s been eating away at me. This last round of banging our head against the wall just popped my cork so here goes…
As clueless as SAG’s new “leadership” has proven to be, the AMPTP has now gone off the deep end.
They have just joined the ranks of those corporations that have no connection with reality. The old way of doing business is not going to cut it anymore. Their determination to hammer the unions into poverty will make no difference going forward. They will not slow the deterioration of their revenue streams until there is new, bold, forward-looking leadership in the executive halls of the member corporations of the AMPTP.
How does one make a statement like, “The Producers’ offer is strong and fair – and has been judged to be strong and fair by all of Hollywood’s other major Guilds and Unions,” with a straight face? WGA is suing over their “strong and fair” contract that took a 100 day strike to reach. IATSE membership is in open revolt over the “strong and fair” contract their leadership struggled to reach. Even the DGA enthusiasm for their “precedent setting” template has softened considerably now that the New Media numbers are rolling in. And AFTRA? … whatever… I can’t figure that union out…
How does an industry receive a billion dollars – $1,000,000,000.00 – in revenue in one month in a single antique initial exhibition system (theatrical release) at the onset of “the historically unprecedented economic crisis that has clobbered our nation and our industry,” and claim financial uncertainty?
How can it be, according to the SAG press release that, “AMPTP has clearly stated their need and desire for financial certainty and industry peace” when 2008-2009 will go down in history as the year the AMPTP tried to bust the unions?
Is it all strategy? Business savvy? Disingenuousness? Myopia? Mendacity? Spin? Maybe some or all of those. But over time, something else has revealed itself – a schizophrenic and paranoid management culture consumed by stock market fluctuations and the evaporation of the credit markets that have been funding their day-to-day operations. They appear to be in complete panic about the immediate future of the business…well maybe not “the business”. More likely, their corporate SOLVENCY!
Where just a few months ago they were smug and cagey about their New Media initiatives, they are now stumbling over themselves to meet debt obligations, margin calls, put warrants, stock option pay-outs, covered and uncovered interest arbitrage maturities, etc. All the whiz-bang financial games that turn a billion dollars of revenue in one month, and a record box-office year, and “better-than-expected” profit margins in New Media, and stabilizing DVD revenue, and any number of Wall Street rosy press releases into real world, hard-as-nails, middle-management lay-off inducing cash flow crisis.
The problem is not greedy labor. It’s comatose management. The light at the end of the New Media tunnel is a train that will obliterate these companies as we now recognize them unless they realize their only hope is to lock-up the most expert, efficient, creative, innovative, and dedicated labor forces in the world. The barriers to entry in every aspect of their businesses have evaporated before their eyes. Even their previously unassailable monopoly on distribution has all but disappeared. Leaving only the shell of their network brands to carry them onto the internet and the future. Their only real hope is to dominate the QUALITY of content and to do that they must…MUST… have exclusive access to the entertainment unions. Just the creation of an accepted non-union work space will explode competition beyond anything ever imagined before and end the reign of Big Media in very short order. Look at the music industry, publishing, major newspapers, and, yes, the internet. Anybody wanna buy some AOL Time-Warner stock?
But that’s not what they are doing. The AMPTP is charged with doing precisely the opposite while the capital structures of the member companies collapse around them and the bosses stare off into the horizon imagining all sorts of TARP-hope scenarios and Obama-nomic miracles.
Look, The easy-credit gravy-train is over. Done. Fin.
It was a great way thirty-five or twenty-five or even fifteen years ago to finance a merger, or buy a competitor, or launch a mini-network. You could buy a lot of credit based on “synergies” and projected revenues of THE SOPRANOS or THE SIMPSONS DVD release or whatever. Companies and divisions were valued in terms of multiples, Cash flow MULTIPLES became the basis for equity valuations which in turn were leveraged to take on more debt to finance acquisitions, production, and, eventually, operations themselves. Payrolls, bonuses, dividends, you name it. All the obligation stuff that before required cold hard CASH reserves became routinely fulfilled by revolving credit facilities and short term paper.
No more. Yesterday carrying cash on your books was for suckers and old-folks. Today carrying cash is the only way to stay in business. And what generates cash? CONTENT! And who makes the best content? The CREATIVE and TECHNICAL GUILDS! What can these moguls be thinking? Now is not the time to squeeze and alienate the work forces that build your essential product. Now is the time to throw money at them and embrace them and SECURE them and monopolize them so that you dominate QUALITY product.
Good luck with those tax incentives. Good luck convincing the secondary credit markets, if and when they start lending again, to risk funding your shitty “low-budget” non-union New Media production slate. Good luck going forward with nothing “in the can”. Good luck convincing your new credit source – the US tax-payer – that busting the unions is a sound business strategy.
It’s a brave new world. AMPTP will not survive. WGA & DGA & IATSE & Teamsters & SAG will.
Okay?
So here’s how you kick us out…
SAG Constitution & By-Law, Article XIII, Section 2
It ain’t easy, but it’s do-able.
Maybe this way you’ll actually get to vote on something…
“So now the SAG National Majority has put the Guild into an awkward “wait and see” position”
All they’ve done for the last year is wait and see! I used to be on your side, SAG, but this is rigoddamndiculous. Will you DO something? All you’ve proven to the AMPTP is that you are willing to work without a contract for nearly a year, you are too chickenshit to call a SAV, and your leadership’s pathetic schoolyard infighting is now the joke and the punchline. What is your leverage, SAG? Why should the AMPTP be worried at all about your next move? At this point maybe you can look forward to ruining the 2010 awards season. To paraphrase Robert Towne, you look like a bunch of monkeys trying to f**k a football. Take the new crap deal, keep the old deal, merge with AFTRA, call the SAV, splinter into oblivion and call it a day – just do something.
Time to start with holding dues. Starve the beast until it’s dead – or it wants to act in our best interest.
Ned Vaughn, Amy Brennerman and Kate Walsh – you will forever be known as failures. Epic failures.
# Step 1 – We admitted we were powerless over our addiction – that our lives had become unmanageable
# Step 8 – Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
# Step 10 – Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
Thank you, Clancy.
Another do-able and even more interesting and effective solution to this stalemate,(exactly what a number of members have been asking for), is found in the SAG Constitution, Article X, Section 2 (A)-(E):
“The membership may obtain a referendum vote challenging any action of the Board of Directors which is national in scope…..”
Let’s look at the AMTP’s actions over the last few days through the working assumption that they want to break SAG and have the unwitting(?) stooges of the UFS to stay in power.
1. They could not simply present the AFTRA contract because there is a good chance membership would vote it down.
2. They had to make it seem like UFS had achieved something at the negotiating table so that they can feasibly stay in power.
3. To do this they had to make an offer that was worse than the one already on the table and then *allow* UFS to negotiate back close to where it was, that way UFS can claim a victory and send it to members with a “well the alternative was even worse”
All of these actions (#3 will happen in the next few weeks) increases their chances of ratification of a contract that will destroy SAG.
The UFS idiots biggest mistake all along is not realising that the AMTP are using them as a vehicle to destroy SAG and have no interest in any other outcome.
Here’s what most actors resumes will read at the top under union status soon.
SAG Fi-Core / AFTRA
If you really want to show solidarity, don’t go to the Oscars tonight.
Just don’t go.
It’s the ONLY, and I mean ONLY, little bit of power you have left.
Clancy Brown you rock!! I want you to stay put. Masur on the other hand…. could you go find another union to destroy and leave ours alone!!!! Let the members VOTE!!!
clancy brown just gave you a window into how intelligent, informed, and experienced the MF negotiators are/were (it was an act of warfare on sag to unseat certain MF members from the neg com, and was a supreme act of idiocy on part of those who unseated them).
sag exists to protect actors’ wages and working conditions. many members of sag don’t even know how horrible the working conditions were before the union was formed. they might not realize sag was made possible because the stars at the time stood in solidarity with the day players. we are all actors, and today’s day player might be on tomorrow’s a-list.
a-listers get screwed, too. sometimes in ways they never anticipated. it’s really a very select few who can dictate the terms of their own overall monetary compensation, and even they are one or two shitty projects away from becoming box office poison.
everyone in this equation is interdependent, including the amptp. the production and distribution models as we’ve known them are outmoded and nobody, not even the amptp, has figured out that they need to start thinking outside the box. the studios and networks are flailing. in their death throes, they’re making very stupid decisions.
the amptp are not the actors’ authority figures. some actors are very used to other people making decisions for them — their agent, their director, their business manager, etc. — but in this case, actors need to take responsibility for themselves to figure out what’s going on, come up with a collective plan AS A UNION, and take action. a good place to start is to figure out who you’ve elected to represent you and what they’ve actually done to move the union into the new age — or not.
the members of UFS/NY/RB are NOT the people who are capable of coming up with an effective, realistic plan. they’re tantrum-throwers who managed to get their way for a minute. but it will be only a minute, because they don’t know what they’re doing, and it’s just a matter of time before the sag membership starts to notice what’s really going on.
You have to give SAG credit. Just when you think they couldn’t possibly make themselves more of a joke, they do.
The problem is that most of SAG (like most of the WGA) rarely if ever work and so, by doing all this bullshit, they’re getting their revenge on those who do work in the business for a living. It’s far easier on this losers to blame a strike or threat of a strike than to blame themselves for their own lack of talent or drive.
Come on, guys, this is simple. Send the AMPTP contract to the membership and let them vote up or down on the damned thing. To save on postage, slip the SAV in the same envelope. Kill two birds with one stone and let’s get this freakin’ show on the road.
What Clancy Brown states is true. It absolutely is beyond logic for the AMPTP to approach negotiations this way. If their shareholders only knew …
There is a way for SAG — and the rest of the unions –to obtain fair, just and equitable agreements. Begin by recognizing that right now labor is in a fight to the death with management and to win requires ruthlessly going after in a fight to the death — because it will be nothing less than that — the gigantic Achilles’ heal of the member companies of AMPTP and DESTROYING the economic and political bases that the member companies have taken for granted. Destroy what??? I’ll tell you: Use the political process to get the Congress, The SEC, and the Justice Department to go after the studios for their CRIMINAL accounting practices that cheat profit participants out of hundreds of millions of dollars yearly. Get U.S. Attorney General to use the RICO and other racketeering statutes to smash the studios — after all, they are and have been engaging in criminal conspiracies for years to criminally defraud profit participants. Get the Congress to hold hearings on Hollywood’s accounting practices and watch the studio executives squirm on camera as they are forced to plead the Fifth Amendment. Later, gleefully watch as individual studio heads are cuffed and have to do the perp walk in front of the cameras. The guilds and unions must buy stock in the affected companies in order to put the screws to management at shareholders meetings. Make it open warfare against management 24/7. Use the SEC to investigate the criminal accounting practices and their affect on shareholder value. Under all this warlike tumult, sit back and watch the stock values of the companies plummet through the basement and watch the shareholders overthrow management. Then finally watch the financially-eviserated, damaged and weakened companies make the fair deals that ATL and BTL talent deserve. In a nutshell, unless the financial Gibraltar that the companies have been so comfortably relying on and taking for granted as their right and due is destroyed and the playing field thus levelled, it is the end of the road for SAG, WGA, and the rest. . . And this is just a general statement and broad outling of a winning strategy. It is easy to refine the strategy and sharpen it and polish it and then — go for the jugular.
ewk,
Congress got millions of dollars from Hollywood power players (Clooney, Hanks, Spielberg, et al) in the last election. Congress is not going bite the hand that feeds them by jumping into the middle of this mess just because we want them to; especially right now when they have a few other things on their plate — like saving the entire US economy. (Though I’m sure they’d love your pitch about bringing the entertainment industry to its knees; which, of course, would result in more layoffs and more unemployement. That’s just what Congress wants to hear right now.) And the Justice Department and SEC are up to their ears in regulatory reviews and banking investigations. We’d be lucky to get a hearing before the next presidential election. Try it if you want, but the harsh reality is that we have to do this ourselves.
What ewk said. I’ve often wondered why the studios have not been investigated for collusion and fraud. They are public companies-their books are subject to public scrutiny.
Clancey is also correct. I’ve never understood the business philosopy that “the one who creates the product you sell is the enemy”. I’m happy to continue on with the current contract and team up with all the other guilds when their contracts are up. We don’t need to be compromising and codifying anything at this point.
When New York and the Branches replaced the negotiating committee I was willing to give it a chance. Unfortunately what I suspected would happen-happened. New York and the Branches are much more loyal to AFTRA than SAG which is why we are in this mess.
Isn’t John McGuire the one who got us shafted on DVDs? The last few contracts have been very bad considering the record profits made by the studios. Now the business is going through the roof and they are still asking us to take cuts as well as laying off their workers? When your hedge funds and risky investments take a hit then you (AMPTP) need to think about getting to work and producing good products that you can sell, because you can be replaced as producing organizations very easily in this climate.
All of us in the industry need to understand that if SAG, the strongest of our unions, can’t get what it wants or worse, gets broken, then we’re all in trouble.
The producers must be absolutely gleeful at the thought of all of us fighting each other because the only way we have any strength is to support each other. I do not want a strike because it would be financially devastating but the continued infighting with no progress is being felt by all of us and it has hurt as well. So far the producer’s strategy of divide and conquer has worked beautifully. We have to be smarter than this to succeed. We have to think about the consequences of our actions today on what our lives will be like in this industry in fifteen years. Do we all really want to sit around talking about the good old days when we got overtime and meal penalties? When we had health insurance and a pension?
Let’s not fight each other while the true enemy sits laughing at us on the sidelines.
And actors wonder why people don’t take them seriously. Another week, and yet another stunning SAG blunder.
You folks better take Nikki’s advice and demand that YOU vote on the contract, not the cast of fools in your “leadership”. Otherwise, SAG will soon cease to exist.
The way SAG has handled negotiations is proof of what I’ve always believed, which is that acting is a business for morons who aren’t very intelligent and aren’t capable of doing anything else. They’ve been absolutely stupid in their negotiations, and now they’re getting their just desserts. I don’t feel sorry for actors at all, and at this point, I doubt anyone else does, either.
Thank you, Clancy Brown.You gave a name to the 800 lb, gorilla in theroom.Whether it’s the AMPTP or Detroit or Wall St.,it’s the same tired scenario.They don’t understand that taking our money will only weaken them in the long run.Give me a dollar and that becomes $1.50 in the world.Take my dollar and put it in trust and it becomes money taken out of the market.
The idea that the studios were bargaining in good faith is the first lie we told ourselves.Once we accepted that premise,we could go about assigning blame to one another,which is easier than recognizing the enormity of the challenge,and what seems to be a monolithic adversary ( I don’t think they are,in fact;look at the multitude of producers who want to make an equitable deal).But they are imposing in their wrongheadedness.And as actors,it’s a given that we don’t feel worthy,which is ironic since we had the faith to take the chance on becoming actors in the first place.So we assume it must be us who’s screwing up.
For me,it’s time to rethink the notion of the actor as knave.My parents were actors,I’ve been doing this for 35 years,and my eldest daughter is an actress.A family disease is the lame excuse I offer.But when I think that my mother and father fought for and won the right to residuals,and the right to claim them for uemployment,and that the legacy for my child is the reversal of that, I am ashamed.We need to rethink the notion of ourselves as creatures desperate for recognition from people who are not our peers.And if that means “branding” ourselves,and becoming producers,and overturning the old ideas of labor v. management,then so be it.
Please stay,Clancy,you’re most necessary.
At this point all the unions should strike… Today, do not wait anymore. I am in the IA and our leadership has always caved in. I think SAG should have striked in June
as this mess would be behind us.. More talk is only going to hurt all of us for the rest of the year..
Everybody I know is struggling for work so if the producers only understand a strike, lets all do it now SAG,IA,WGA whoever.. They will understand that..Otherwise make a deal and live with it because we are all in hell anyway.. It is only going to hurt a little bit more to strike.. And how long would that be ?
The Studios are already screwed because they do not have product .. Please make a stand now or shut up because internal fighting is only making a bad taste in everybody mouth…
MAKE A STAND NOW
Dear Ned Vaughn, Amy Brenneman, Kate Walsh and James Ceomwell:
FUCK YOU!!!!
Oh, and George Clooney, Tom Hanks and all you multi-millionaire, forgot what it’s like to have to struggle to make a living, points on the gross, traitors:
FUCK YOU TOO!!!
I’m sickened by the INDUSTRY as a whole.
We at IATSE are also trying to protect our Health and Pension and get
a FAIR deal.
SAG has their issues as well
Why not JOIN together?
With no Cast or Crew-
Let the Producers Go to Germany or Canada or where ever and see what kind of quality films will be made-
Oh I forgot they only care about how much money they can make of the “WORKERS” US
This is a fucked up GROUP!
Clancy and Frances — You warriors are appreciated.
We know you speak the truth.
A sincere thanks for all your hard (hundreds of hours of unpaid)work on our behalf.
Let us vote.
I guess SAG is now going to fall when all these features are filmed on video and not film. How i look at it is if you want the money become a producer and not an actor. Anyone can act, its the crew and people around the actor that makes them good.
Thank you, Clancy Brown.You gave a name to the 800 lb, gorilla in theroom.Whether it’s the AMPTP or Detroit or Wall St.,it’s the same tired scenario.They don’t understand that taking our money will only weaken them in the long run.Give me a dollar and that becomes $1.50 in the world.Take my dollar and put it in trust and it becomes money taken out of the market.
The idea that the studios were bargaining in good faith is the first lie we told ourselves.Once we accepted that premise,we could go about assigning blame to one another,which is easier than recognizing the enormity of the challenge,and what seems to be a monolithic adversary ( I don’t think they are,in fact;look at the multitude of producers who want to make an equitable deal).But they are imposing in their wrongheadedness.And as actors,it’s a given that we don’t feel worthy,which is ironic since we had the faith to take the chance on becoming actors in the first place.So we assume it must be us who’s screwing up.
For me,it’s time to rethink the notion of the actor as knave.My parents were actors,I’ve been doing this for 35 years,and my eldest daughter is an actress.A family disease is the lame excuse I offer.But when I think that my mother and father fought for and won the right to residuals,and the right to claim them for uemployment,and that the legacy for my child is the reversal of that, I am ashamed.We need to rethink the notion of ourselves as creatures desperate for recognition from people who are not our peers.And if that means “branding” ourselves,and becoming producers,and overturning the old ideas of labor v. management,then so be it.
Please stay,Clancy,you’re most necessary.
Apologies if this is double posted.
SAG is now dead in the water with no power and no rudder, and the damage report is that the damages were self inflicted from the bridge officers. AMPTP saw this and fired the toredoes for a direct hit and the SAG board chose to ignore the attack and wait and see if they were sinking. Well the hull has been breached and there are only a few lifeboats – will they go to the members or the officers?
can anybody in here explain how key unions could realistically and legally line up?
to all the self serving pricks telling SAG to get in line…go idle your unit with the seat kicked back, sort out your gels, enjoy your commissary lunch, and fuck off..we will NEVER allow our residuals to be erased, so stop trying to say we need to take the same deal as you…our lives are totally different, we get by on hope and dreams and ( a precious few of us) residuals that pay for our health care and once in a while the mortgage,
not hundreds of hours of banked overtime and steady work.
So again, fuck off and don’t think we will EVER allow our residuals to disappear which is precisely what the agreement for non union and new media is all about..no more reruns on broadcast or cable, all via broadband and voila…no residuals…so..yeah….you want to work?…best get in line behind us, back us up and THEN you can get back to your steady employment and overtime
I LOVE Clancy Brown and Frances Fisher… sigh.
Fucking actors…
REAL people with REAL jobs, like linemen at a car plant, anyone in the finance sector, anyone who works in publishing.. are ALL LOSING THEIR JOBS for actually doing something, not pretending to do something… and moreso, doing it 40+ hours a week.
Somehow SAG feels like they are above the rest of the country and should be immune to the fact that everyone in every sector is taking a hit.
Not that you noticed, but google “WSJ Warner” or “WSJ Sony” or “WSJ Disney” and you’ll see all studios are losing huge amounts of money.
And oh yeah, last year was the worst year on record for production in California.. so let’s make that even worse too. And I’m not even going to start on the economic turmoil localized to SoCal, which is so obvious.
Fuck you fucking actors. Someone told you you were talented or pretty in High School so now you can shit on everybody and everything for you fucking art? Have you SEEN anything in a theater or on TV lately? Fuckers.
Oh yeah, art is dying you ignorant shitbuckets. Funding for public art, funding in public schools (gone, completely gone)… You need to get your fucking heads out of your asses and focus on your primary job- waiting tables or selling cell phones or whatever the fuck you do to support yourself because bit part acting is no longer a viable profession. Sorry, you had a good run but this is the era of VALUE and B, C, D and below level actors don’t have it, and if you strike, might never have it again.
Ignorant fucks, you are shitting where you drink.
Fuck SAG and if the strike happens, fuck AMPTP for not steamrolling these stupid SAG fuckstick incompetent leaders into a deal.
Idiotic, the whole thing.. Jesus.
Fuck.
actual actor –
Hurling expletives, insults, insinuations and wildly off-the-mark assumptions at anyone who doesn’t want to see another strike cripple an industry and a city already on its knees. Do you think any of that endears you and your cause to anyone outside of SAG, let alone persuades us to see your point of view? It’s troubling to read comments such as yours because it seems reflective of the sentiments of many of your members.
You argue that we should all fall in line behind SAG. We’ve been waiting patiently now for, what, seven months? Does it disturb you at all that your guild’s leadership can’t seem to make a move towards negotiating with the AMPTP without public grandstanding to alienate the AMPTP, public infighting to alienate whole sections of your own membership, or threats of a strike that alienate the entire community, all of which inevitably result in negotiation meltdown? And you expect everyone else to fall in line behind and support that kind of chaotic, riotous behavior? From the outside looking inward, there is literally one laughable SAG public stepping-on-a-rake mistake every week.
That was said in no way to condone the behavior or position of the AMPTP. We writers had our run-ins with them as well, and I have plenty of criticisms for our side on its handling of the entire affair. But it’s long past the time for SAG’s membership to take a reality check. Your leadership has failed and botched this round. And it’s no longer just a matter of your guild’s compromising the economic security of the community at large; it’s now also a matter of tying your own guild’s noose.
You can holler all you want, but, in the end, sign or don’t, strike or not, the AMPTP is not going to offer you any more than they’ve already negotiated with the other guilds. The end result will have been putting everyone through hell for nothing. And that is the fault of your own negotiators who failed to read the handwriting on the wall and come up with a strategy of any kind other than kicking and screaming publicly and thinking that would shame the AMPTP into giving you what you want. Your hand of cards was exposed a long time ago. There is nothing left to bluff.
It’s no longer a matter of using leverage to get a better deal. There is no leverage for you anymore thanks to AFTRA and the contracts in place with the other guilds. It’s now a matter of living to fight another day.
So why not let democracy work? Why not tell your leadership to allow for a membership-wide vote on the AMPTP’s offer? At least then you would know where the majority stands, rather than having a few fractious, extremist factions trying to out-yell each other in the public forum.
Think about it.
Clancy Brown hit the nail on the head. There will be no film industry without union actors; there will be no product. And it’s too bad, because if the illogical New York members hadn’t gotten in the way, there might not have been any Oscars tonight. Or, there might be an equitable contract by now. It was the strongest card SAG had in its hand, even more so that production stoppage. Gee,now the new leaders don’t even know what to do. Maybe the “takeover” wasn’t really about content or belief; maybe it was about “Hey pay attention to ME..”
And maybe the producers are using all of this as a smoke screen because the real problem at the moment is that they can’t get money to finance their films. But that doesn’t play as well as blaming it on those pesky actors.
@ Fred and the rest of his selfish ilk:
Fuck you. I’m GLAD you’re starving. You deserve to, with the kind of selfish fuck-actors-making-a-living-I-want-mine attitude.
Assholes.
Fuck me! First that’s an exclamation of disbelief. Then it’s what being done to me – and all of us in this business who do the sweat work. Every union member, and every non-union person who is working with the hope and desire of rising to the professional level represented by being in a union. We are all fucked if we don’t combine our outrage, disgust, and unacceptance of what’s being done to this business by the employers.
We are at a crux, a fork in the road, a place where the rubber meets the pavement, whatever you want to say. But we need action now! Can’t we just all get along? Let’s find the best way for SAG to make changes to itself and get some leadership that’s effective and has the strength of the membership united behind it. Do what’s right for the Guild, not yourselves.
Clancy and Frances have given us a couple handouts on what we could do next for our union. Thank you both for your leadership. Who are the brainiacs that will step up and say what the next right step is? Oh – you know? I kinda like Doug Allen and Alan Rosenberg. Whoops, too late. But is it? I don’t know. We need some good leaders though.
We also need the strength of the brothers and sisters in all the unions to work together and speak in one voice to the employers. Tell them we recognize that the game has changed, but the players remain the management and the workers. There has to be a way that we, the workers, can combine efforts and basically work or walk together. Whether that’s OUT or not has to be decided by the intelligent leadership required at the head of all the unions. I know that’s a loaded scenario, but what else have we got?
Clancy is also right about the congloms being behind the eight ball. The whole financial setup has changed. They are scrambling to cover their collective butts and figure out how to maintain the lucrative position they’ve been in for the last three decades. Well, it’s a new era. Again, we’re at the crux of the digital age and they are dinosaurs watching the comet come streaking right at their pocketbooks. They know what they think they have to do, and they’re positioning their pieces quite effectively for their desires to play out. They bite at the ones who they know are actually able to produce the content they need, and those who they think are attempting to take their money out of their pockets. Sad. Like a rabid dog.
I believe when the content producers side with the content workers, and help get a SAG contract, or any other BTL contract, that’s fair and right, we’ll be able to continue a lifestyle that we all want. We’ll all be able to adjust to working within the new rules of the game. The business producers will do what they do best and monetize the content given them, then pass along a percentage of those profits. That’s when we will all be back to work.
So:
Let’s get some real leadership and stop the infighting. Let’s send out something to vote on; hopefully both the contract and the SAV. Now, asap. If necessary, let’s give our version of the contract as a last, best offer. Let’s combine our collective strengths and be a voice that they can’t deny. Let’s walk if we have to. Let’s get this thing over and done. No more pussyfooting around.
Last word for now. I’ve never said anything about the stars who are up the AMPTP’s asses. It astounds me; their lack of fortitude and integrity by refusing to stand with the struggling class of actor that helps them stay in the stratosphere. Shame on you. It’s disgusting that you bow down to the golden calf and allow yourselves to be used this way. I hope and pray for you, that you will change your heart and grow some balls to do what’s really fair and right.
Hey Fred –
Thanks for speaking so eloquently for all of the people who will never understand what it is that we are standing up for.
Oy.
If nothing else UFS just cost SAG membership roughly a half million dollars!
In all the unfortunate infighting that right now is out of the control of the membership, WE have an opportunity to save $400,000 of our dues that these children are doling out for no reason.
Invoke your rights buy petitioning to reverse the action of the UFS tyrants who hijacked our negotiating team and LOST GROUND in the contract negotiations AND ARE SPENDING $400,000 OF OUR DUES TO DO IT!
Isn’t keeping $400,000 of our dollars worth it?
FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS PLUS THE $500,000 TO PAY DOUG ALLEN FORE THE REMAINDER OF HIS CONRACT.
ONE MILLION SPENT IN AN EVENING OF INTOXICATING SPITE BY NED VAUGHN AMY BRENNEMAN AND THEIR FRIENDS!
Where do we start? We worked awful hard to pay that $400,000 into out union.
Tommy D. –
You are forgetting that many of the top earning personalities of the entertainment industry who contribute so heavily to congressional candidates are just as regularly cheated by the studios as is the poor writer who gets his 5% net deal that will never pay profits. And those “A” level people know it, it just that most of the time they go along with it and sue only when the theft becomes too blatantly egregious. One of the reasons film and television production costs are so astronomical is precisely because the talent wants to get as much up front as they can because they KNOW they will be cheated on the back end. When a movie like Batman The Dark Knight makes $1,000,000,000 gross (that’s billion with a “b”) at the box office which is only a tiny part of its revenue stream and yet the studio claims it has lost $160,000,000 in accounting statements to profit participants, well, it’s time for a criminal investigation. You are, with all due respect, grossly mistaken if you think going for the jugular against the studios is going to cause economic turmoil, or more unemployment or other doomsday scenarios. Rather, it is only by government intervention, both with civil and criminal investigations, that the playing field can be levelled. And let me put it even more bluntly: These companies conduct themselves like criminal enterprises when it comes to money and what has happened to all the guilds and unions is only a logical outgrowth of the cupidity of these Mafia-like businesses. Unless and until the working people of this industry recognize the true nature of this enemy, they have no chance of ever receiving fair, just and equitable compensation. And given the Goliath-size of these criminal enterprises, it is ONLY the government that can provide the slingshot and stones for the Davids of the industry to fight with.
On a side note…. I was wondering if either Frances Fisher or Clancy Brown could confirm something I was told this morning. (And thank you guys for having the guts to blog under your names. That takes a lot of courage. Especially as board members and high profiles. Good for you guys.)
Is it true that the board was not allowed to ask the lawyers who negotiated David White’s contract with the Guild about the terms of his contract and that the board was not allowed to ask David White any questions due to a motion that came from Sam Fried and Richard Masur which was voted up by NY/RBD and Vaughn and his gang? I was told that his contract was approved by (basically the same people who signed the written assent) without vetting. Didn’t the board take a whole day to ask Pisano, Doug Allen or Stephen Diamond questions when they were being considered for the NED position? Why not for White? I also heard that there may be conflicts of interests regarding David White’s former clients of his consulting company and his new position at the Guild. One of his clients was the MPAA? White’s company was known for assisting producers and production companies in getting around or better understand union contracts.
But what maybe the best example of irony, during the debate regarding the LBF from the AMPTP and how the Guild was going to respond, when a MF member asked for White’s opinion or recommendation, Ricahrd Masur refused to allow White to speak, stating something like.”We don’t need to hear from you”. Is that true? And it was a MF board member who got to the mike and really tongued lashed the people who orchestrated the written assent that hired White for now not allowing him to speak. Apparently White was finally “allowed to speak” only because of the outcry of MF board members. If all of that is true, it’s all too ridiculous. They hired the guy but didn’t want to hear from him?
And who in the hell does Masur think he is? What a freaking blowhard. Does he think he’s still the president? If there is anyone who still questions the fact that Masur is the key player in all of this madness, then they have had their heads stuck in the sand. Ned Vaughn doesn’t take a crap without asking Masur permission first. Vaughn is Masur’s puppet.
ewk,
I wasn’t saying that the studios shouldn’t be investigated. I’ve been screwed by them, too… I am saying that they won’t be investigated by the government in the near future, certainly not in any time frame that would influence the outcome of current SAG negotiations. If you think that you’ll find a friendly audience in DC for your case, I think you’re badly mistaken; but by all means, please take your best shot and let us know how it turns out.
Union Advocate
I’ll have to defer to Francis about NED vetting and Mr. White’s former business and it’s clients. I was only able to join the last half of the meeting that day and missed entirely that part of the agenda. I have no idea about the vetting of Pisano, Diamond, and Allen because I was not on the board until this last election. I do know that the Hollywood Board spent a long time asking Mr. White questions. Hollywood is the only division that welcomes members to observe, so the entire process was open to member scrutiny.
I do remember Mr. Masur interrupting Mr. White. The specifics of that exchange may have been in Executive session and so confidential. I try to honor confidentiality as far as possible; but I can say that Mr. Masur interrupts everyone…a lot.
As to your other questions:
I don’t know who Richard thinks he is. I will ask him the next time I see him. It’s a fair question.
I don’t think he still thinks he is president. If he did, then according to the written assent, he could no longer speak. Could that be what you are driving at?
clancy brown is a natural leader.
he can’t help it. it’s not his fault.
his family was involved in politics.
he has a terrific mind, he’s inquisitive and he cares about people.
he was born to do it.
he’d probably throttle me for suggesting this right now,
but if clancy ever ran for the presidency of SAG,
he’d be my choice.
i would vote early and often.
there are many on the SAG board like clancy who wanted to send
out the SAV or at the very least, send the crap contract to the
membership and let them decide what to do.
many like clancy, but just not enough.
Just file a class action lawsuit against the Sag and SAG Board for misrepresentation, or get this a breach of contract for not allowing members to vote. Maybe then they will het their act together.
20 years vested in IATSE only for it to come to this. A dying industry. All I know is, there’s going to be some jacked up SAG members if below the liners start losing their homes. Think about that when you go to mark your ballots.
hopefully, nikki, you will post an opposing point of view for once:
FRANCES FISHER
CLANCY BROWNE
so resign? why wait for us to get the 10,000 signatures?
clancy…walk out…do us a favor!!!
“What Else is New” wrote:
“…{it] is the fault of your own negotiators who failed to read the handwriting on the wall and come up with a strategy of any kind other than kicking and screaming publicly and thinking that would shame the AMPTP into giving you what you want. Your hand of cards was exposed a long time ago. There is nothing left to bluff.”
This is almost the first bit of sanity I’ve seen on this board. The endless yelling and screaming just serves to reveal that what no one wants to admit, what no one can admit politically within SAG, is that we’ve lost this round. And no one in our guild has the real balls and the real leadership to lose a battle to win the war; a war that is being fought not just for actors, but for the whole industry.
No one can publically admit that Hollywood’s creative guilds are not like other unions. We are interdependent, with members who by regulation must have individual representation along with guild representation. This makes us different than other, more monolithic unions in other industries, it makes it important for us to find ways to partner. Partner with other guilds, partner with the industry as a whole for the good of the whole.
I know a lot of you get very angry when you hear this, but maybe that just proves the point that our guild has become deadly dysfunctional. A lot of anger, a lot of tough rhetoric, but damn little strategic thinking that extends beyond the internal politicking of the guild itself.
If our only goal is “Membership First” then we will fail. And we have failed.
Fuck you “what else is new?”
love’s labors lost:
on a practical and legal level, how do union partnerships work when there are no-strike clauses and staggered contract expiration dates?
Tommy D –
It is too late now to adopt the strategy I’ve discussed. And this is not a strategy one lone individual can pursue. This is a strategy for a fully-financed SAG or WGA that wants a fair and equitable deal and is prepared to fight to the death — and it will be a fight to the death — with the studios. In this case, better for SAG to walk away from the negotiations and work under the old contract with out any new media provisions until June 30, 2011. But note this: Congressmen and Senators LOVE having actors and other Hollywood big deals testify before Congress because of the publicity and photo-ops. Does anyone really think Angelina Jolie has unique, special insights and solutions that no one else has to solving the world’s problems? Of course not, but she will get to testify before a Congressional committee on her own insights and solutions and the Congressmen and Senators eat it up. Similarly, if other Hollywood personalities testify about the accounting irregularities that are endemic to Hollywood, that will get publicity and start the ball rolling. Don Johnson, James Garner, and Jack Klugman are three television stars I can think of who were grossly cheated by the studios and have/had sued to obtain what is their due. Imagine them explaining the criminal accounting they have experienced. Once a beginning few in Hollywood testify before an appropriate Congressional committee, more will follow. All it takes is finding one Congressional committee chairman who wants lots of publicity and photo-ops. Start with Senator Charles Schumer who in Washington is known as “Mr-Senator-Who-Never-Met-A- Camera-He-Didn’t-Like”.
On a more prosaic note, let me give you one very specific concrete example of the theft the studios perpetrate every day with profit participants: Did you know that when William Peter Blatty sued Warner Bros. over the profits of “The Exorcist” he discovered that part of the loss Warner Bros. said they incurred on the movie — specifically a $200,000 charge — was a loss reserve Warner Brothers had set up for their own litigation costs. In other words, Warner Brothers. was going to pay for their defense of this lawsuit out of Blatty’s profits — in effect Blatty paying his own attorneys AND Warner Brothers. You should also know that “The Exorcist” cost $9,000,000 to make, returned nearly $200,000,000 to the studio, yet the studio claimed the picture had lost $12,000,000 or thereabouts. Warner Brothers ultimately settled for many TENS of millions of dollars (no one but the principals knows the true amount), all paid out on a picture that supposedly was a $12,000,000 money loser (though Warner Brothers at the time reported in its annual report that the picture had returned unprecedented profits).
And that is just one example of thousands of the criminal nature of the Hollywood studios.
Attorney Pierce O’Donnell used to do this kind of litigation (although he no longer does) and would be a valuable resource for SAG or WGA if they were to adopt the strategy I’ve outlined. There are dozens and dozens of attorneys out there similarly experienced that might very easily come out of the woodwork to help the guilds (and, not coincidentally, screw the studios royally) if they knew SAG or WGA were going to use this strategy.
Time for SAG and WGA to put on the body armor, plan a detailed, multi-pronged strategy and go to war. Thermonuclear war. No quarter given and no quarter asked because — in fact — that’s just how the stuios are playing the game right now.
Okay, this is far from scientific (poll of one, me) but this latest F-you coup de grace by the AMPTP may have actually achieved what Rosenberg couldn’t: Namely get me to vote for a strike.
(While this may prove to be a brilliantly cynical move on the part of AMPTP to help keep SAG distracted and fractious while the entire 2009-2010 TV season seems to be organizing under AFTRA) I find it hard to reward the AMPTP for its last minute shenanigans. Their “concerns” about the economy are the crocodile tears of the disingenuous. They don’t want an agreement with SAG. If they’re so concerned about the labor situation they would have said: Here’s the exact deal we offered before. We’ll back-date it (because you’ve been working under a de facto contract since the last one expired) and we’re good to go.
But no, they had to have one last swing of the axe. We’ll maybe it’s time to call their bluff. SAG goes on strike and the dual members will not be able to go to work on all those AFTRA shows.
Maybe, just maybe the clever lawyers at the AMPTP unintentionally just handed us some leverage. I mean, worst-case scenario: SAG dies and where do all of us go? AFTRA. Anywhere we go, they have to deal with us. And in good faith. If not, all bets are off.
Doing nothing is reprehensible. Richard Masur is the single biggest impediment to movement, by bullying the meeting as if he’s still president on Saturday. This, again, shows the inherent problem with video plenaries. People like Masur can shout at a screen from NY and bring the whole thing to a screeching halt.
Here you’ve got BOTH sides now understanding – FINALLY understanding – the AMPTP
wants SAG to go fuck itself! And what do they do? NOTHING?!
Did you see that picture of the young actress outside the awards last night, holding a raggedy sign saying “Enjoy your Oscars – I’m now homeless?”
That should give you pause. When are people – enough people, going to understand that, as they have ALL ALONG, the producers are LAUGHING while SAG can’t get out of its own way!
“Do this. Do that – no this! Wrong – that!”
I mean – it’s PATHETIC!
DO SOMETHING!
This is still, somewhere, on some level, still about a fair deal in new media, right? Isn’t that why we’ve been spinning our wheels for 9 months?
So, now we see the AMPTP took the “moderates” out to the woodshed and said – not only will we NOT give you another dime, we’re going to stick in this NEW bit of “fuck-off, you weak, useless union” smack – no retro-active on the deal – the CRAP deal!
I mean – what will it take before SAG actors understand we’re being played?
It’s like we’re just getting beaten and beaten by this bully, and we’re still trying to talk him out of it!
“Look – if you just stop hitting me, I’ll… lick your boots? Polish your car? Mow your lawn? Give you all my money? Just tell me what you want? I’ll do literally ANYTHING – EXCEPT FIGHT BACK!”
Now that’s just really, really pathetic. How weak, what awful leadership, what gutless seemingly never-ending cowardice in the face of assault and battery.
Just do something. Surrender. Or strike. but do SOMETHING.
I’ve watched this back and forth nit picking for some time now. “They did this- They did that.” Not important. Where we are now. That’s important. Masur, Fried, NY etc, Brenneman, Vaughn… these are people who, like their AFTRA cronies are here only to rescue or save their pensions.
Clancy Brown. You’re a smart guy. Thanks for noticing what everyone else either missed or chose not to speak, AND for explaining it in a non-accusatory, organized, even-tempered fashion. So…
What next? You seem to be a excellent choice to answer that question. A lot of people could use your help.
christopher grove wrote:
“Maybe, just maybe the clever lawyers at the AMPTP unintentionally just handed us some leverage.”
we’ve always had this leverage (to strike). you’re just now willing to see it.
Lilly –
As a a duly elected Hollywood Board Member and National Board Alternate, I cannot grant favors. Don’t take this personally. I wouldn’t abuse the trust of the membership to grant even someone I knew well a favor. I will, however, endeavor to inform you of your rights as a member and the mechanics of exercising those rights. So as I said before, if you want to bounce me or any board member for the good of the union, read Article XIII, section 2 of the SAG Constitution and By-Laws. In the copy I have, it’s on page 29.
Unfortunately for you, I guess; I committed myself and my time to the union when I decided to stand for election. I am obliged to fulfill that commitment to the end of my one-year term. So there is still time for you and the “us” you mention to use due process to abbreviate my service or any elected member’s service. If you don’t feel inclined to do more than post on a blog, then your chance will come automatically with the next election if I’m on the ballot. There won’t be the same satisfaction of NOT voting for someone and then waiting to see if enough folks “not-voted” for the same someones as you might get from my humbly and obediently acceding to your anonymous demand to “walk out” or, even better, following the remedy available in the SAG Constitution and By-Laws; but if you don’t have the time to do anything other than “post and pray”, I understand.
Your dilemma is the essential dilemma of every member of this guild -
Do you take time from all of your other priorities, essential and frivolous, to participate fundamentally in your union? I can’t answer that for you. Maybe semi-anonymous posting on DHD is the most you can manage. That’s fine, but it doesn’t effect much; so your expectations of achieving your goals should be proportionately miniscule. It won’t happen just because you posted.
On the other hand, what has happened is my response. And Francis’ response. And everyone else’s. Both of our posts provide you the information you need about how to exercise your fundamental rights as a member of SAG. How to be EFFECTIVELY heard. So go for it. Page 29. All you need is a petition with signatures of 10% of the members of your branch. That could be a lot of signatures. maybe even 10,000 but it’s not as hard as you think. People do it all the time on all sorts of issues. Activism is never a bad thing. Involvement, even at the level of anonymous posting, is essential. But as I keep telling my kids, nothing beats actually, physically “showing up.”
Booting folks off the board is somewhat easier than what Francis mentioned. Article X, section 2 – “The membership may obtain a referendum vote challenging any action of the National Board which is national in scope,…” (page 27).
For that you have several more hoops to jump through and there is no guarantee you’ll achieve what you want; but, if you can get enough signatures (10% of members in good standing, slightly MORE than 10,000), within six months your issue will be put to a national vote. The membership IS the ultimate authority in SAG and there are real remedies and mechanisms for using that authority.
And just so you know, I’ve just recently learned all this stuff. I’ve only been around as long as the UFS guys, and we’ve been focusing on different things, but none of this is too complicated to grasp. In fact, the SAG Constitution & By-Laws as well as SAG’s other governance documents are very straight forward. It’s important to read the directions before operating (another thing I tell my kids) or one could do some real irreparable harm.
So go for it, Lilly, and every other dues-paying member reading this thread. Go for it. Read the directions. It’s easy. As therapeutic and potentially (though rarely) enlightening as blog-commenting is, it pales next to boots-on-the-ground activism. Go for it.
In Solidarity…
woody …
with all due respect (and i have the utmost) for clancy brown, he’s not saying anything different than what alan rosenberg and MF have been saying all along. the difference is now you’re willing to listen.
what matt mulhern says about richard masur is true. he’s the single biggest impediment to the union. he needs to be ousted. it can be done. and much of what people have seen from other members in leadership roles — filibustering, etc. — has been the attempt to keep masur from running roughshod all over the union.
now that this ridiculous exercise has gotten to this extreme point, people are willing to see the amptp for what it is: a union buster.
the membership can decide it wants masur out and the membership can get him out. the membership can insist on voting for a strike authorization, which has the power to muzzle aftra and put the hurt on the amptp.
you want a different face telling you the truth you don’t want to hear? great, you’ve got one in clancy brown. but you’d better listen this time, because he, like alan rosenberg, is right.
it’s interesting to note that the only thing john mcguire found
absolutely unaccceptable about the contract is the term of three years that will put us out of sync with the DGA, WGA and AFTRA.
not the diminuation of residuals, not the creation of a non-union
work space on the internet, not the giveaways of pre ‘71 films and
pre ‘74 television and on and on.
he can live with all of that stuff,
but NOT being out of sync with the other unions.
even though there are no indicators that the other unions would be willing in 2011 to team up with us.
there is nothing to indicate that the DGA wouldn’t go in early
yet again and set the “Template” to which the AMPTP would try and make us all adhere.
not to mention the fact there are labor laws that prohibit
sympathy strikes.
john mcguire CAVED on all the meat and potato issues in this contract and is now concerned with an issue that is,
at this point,
meaningless.
what i’m hearing in matt mulhern’s post is the frustration of the membership at not being allowed, at long last, to determine their own fate.
certainly at some point, the majority of our members are bound to feel
that it’s not merely the fault of one faction or another, but the fault
of the entire board for not moving things forward.
to be fair, there were a great many at saturday’s meeting who wanted
to send out the SAV.
mulhern’s argument is that this should have been done months ago,
and others argue that this was impossible due to efforts by the
U4S-RBD-NY coalition to thwart it.
all of this recent history does nothing to change where we are right now.
things have been put on hold to facilitate the commercials
negotiations. fine.
as soon as this is concluded, send out the contract for a vote.
i feel there should be a pro and con statement to go along with the ballots, though at this point,
i can’t imagine what the pro statement would say.
david white himself said that the contract sucked
and i don’t believe he was merely referring to
mcguire’s concerns about the three year term.
to young people in their 20’s and 30’s,
the giveaways of pre ‘71 films and pre ‘74 TV
might seem like no big deal, but to our senior members?
this will radically affect their quality of life.
the clients of the AMPTP will be compensated for exhibiting this content, but we get nothing?
seymour cassel tells a story of how, at some recent TV/Theatrical
negotiation , the AMPTP proposed that 3 years after a performers death, all of their residuals should revert to the studio.
it was balked at and removed from the table,
but that’s who these AMPTP people are.
they are always working every angle to take money away from you and your family.
they are not our partners. they are not our friends.
the last time there was a give-away like this was in 1960
when SAG agreed that the AMPTP could have all pre ‘60 content with no residual obligation IF a pension and health plan was started.
and now they want to take all of that stuff and give NOTHING in return.
i believe our membership is smart enough and has become
educated enough on what’s at stake here to make up their own minds.
let the membership decide.
if they truly understand what stands to be lost by ratifying this contract
it will be resoundingly VOTED DOWN.
if by some chance the membership votes it up,
then they will get the future they deserve.
Despite the occasional “Get back to work, whiners” postings by misinformed IATSE members, there is a growing understanding that the WGA, SAG and the IA members are in the same boat and it’s under attack.
It is time for us to work together.
Here’s what you can do RIGHT NOW to help:
Send every crew member in your list a link to http://www.400hours.com.
If the rank and file of the IA, which has never rejected a contract – no matter how terrible – can actually defeat the latest proposal from the Producers, we could be looking at 2 of the key unions aligning in the near future.
Here’s how the numbers break down:
About 30,000 members are covered under the Hollywood Basic Agreement.
Maybe 1 in 3 members will actually bother to vote on the contract.
That means 5,000 votes will decide the outcome. There are currently over 2,000 members on the “SAY NO TO 400 HOURS!” facebook group. We need to spread the word.
The IA leadership is busy lying to the members about how this is the best they can possibly do. If this contract is defeated, it will open up a second front against the Producers. And believe me, they are not expecting it.
As Harry Tuttle said, “We’re all in it together.”
http://www.400hours.com
Now.
Spot on!
Thank you Clancy.
To George Kaplan:
So will this be the second contract of a sister union you MFers will try to defeat? Shame on you.
Can’t someone smuggle a digital recorder into any of these meetings so we can get some clarification and documentation of what is really happening? I’d like to hear firsthand how Masur operates…
to modify my last post,
i would prefer to send out the SAV,
but i feel that the die hard “no strike under any circumstances”
people on the national board will do everything in their power
to impede the progress of that.
so perhaps something that COULD be sent to the membership
would be the vote on the contract.
i encourage ALL members of SAG to bombard the guild with
phone calls and e-mails and DEMAND that you be provided
with your right TO VOTE.
Here’s a couple of answers. you have don’t even have to be able to read. Let me draw you some pictures;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21_3Kj3KLV4>;
and this;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21_3Kj3KLV4>
And that good old reminder for those who do read;
TO: Fellow SAG Members
FROM: TOM BOWER
DATE: FEBRUARY 17, 2009
Hey, if you are tired of hearing this from me, a fellow SAG member, perhaps seeing it in print will have a greater effect. You can see for yourself what the executives have been plotting since 2007.
THE NEW YORK TIMES
July 11, 2007
Hollywood Executives Call for End to Residual Payments
By MICHAEL CIEPLY
ENCINO, Calif., July 11 — In an unusually blunt session here today, several of Hollywood’s highest-ranking executives called for the end of the entertainment industry’s decades-old system of paying what are called residuals to writers, actors and directors for the re-use of movie and television programs after their initial showings.
The executives stopped short of saying they would demand an immediate end to residual payments in the upcoming, probably difficult negotiations with writers, actors and directors. But they were emphatic in calling for the dismantling of a system under which specific payments are made when movies and shows are released on DVD, shown abroad or otherwise resold. Instead, they want to pool such revenue and recover their costs before sharing any of the profit with the talent.
“There are no ancillary markets any more; it’s all one market,” said Barry Meyer, chief executive of Warner Brothers. “This is the time to do it.”
The briefing at the headquarters of the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers, an industry bargaining group, was conducted by Mr. Meyer, Leslie Moonves, chief executive of CBS, and Anne Sweeney, president of the Walt Disney-ABC Television Group, along with the alliance’s president, J. Nicholas Counter. It was intended to set the stage for Monday’s opening of contract talks with the Writers Guild of America unions on both coasts.
A spokesman for the Writers Guild of America West had no immediate response But representatives of that guild and other unions said they expect to extend their compensation arrangements to new media rather than retreating from existing formulas.
The industry’s contract with the writers expires on Oct. 31, while contracts with the Screen Actors Guild and the Writers Guild of America the following June 30. With these deadlines looming, networks and studios have been scrambling to lock up additional episodes of shows that could be aired in the event of a strike, and movies that could be finished before the actors’ deadline. The industry executives declined to discuss specific contract proposals. But they said they would adamantly oppose any move to extend residual-like payments to the sale of movies and shows on the Web or in other new media. They repeated an earlier call for a study that would, in effect, defer decisions about such distribution channels for as long as three years.
“We need complete flexibility,” said Ms. Sweeney, who described broadcasters as being in a desperate scramble for revenue as consumers increasingly turn to online sources for programs that are often stripped of advertising. “Guild restraints limit our ability to do what we need to do,” she said.
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TO: Fellow SAG Members
FROM: TOM BOWER
DATE: FEBRUARY 17, 2009
. . . AND THIS
Tom Hanks said at the Golden Globes, when asked about the SAG contract negotiations,”. . .negotiations should continue until we get a contract that’s fair for all members.”
And from Tina Fey’s SAG acceptance speech – “. . . and I want to thank Alice [her daughter] for her patience. And some day she’ll be old enough to watch “30 Rock” reruns on the Internet, and understand where mommy was going at 6 a.m. every day, for all that time. And she’ll look up at me and say, “What do you mean you don’t get residuals for this?” I love you, Alice. Take care of me when I’m old and broke!”
Re: OUR Union- Middle class actors
Dear David White,
1)
While I did not always agree with Alan Rosenberg or Bill on every detail, I find the “Coup” that took place in My (OUR) Union to be very disturbing and, to be frank, out of touch with most of us regular Journeymen actors.
It seems that even with an Administration change in Washington D.C.- there is still an air of Union Busting which, while centered around the future of technology- is a reprise of the fight we already fought at the turn of the century and in the 1930’s.
2)
The current Contract:
EVERYONE knows that the AMPT and its argument that “New Media” is still experimental is a crock.
They (Networks, Studios, Producers) are placing tons of media on line as we speak- and taking in Add revenue for each click of the mouse.
I work in Post Production as well as being a SAG actor- I can tell you that just this week-
NBC sent several employees to learn Digital Editing- and were told by NBC that,
they (NBC Employees) would have to re-apply for their jobs,
and they must meet the following Criteria:
- they must have skill in digital Editing
- they must have skill and be PROFICIENT in DELIVERING DIGITAL MEDIA TO THE WEB, as well as to CELL PHONE CONTENT.
Why would NBC do such a drastic thing if this new media is still “experimental.
Save our union,
Save the hard-won protections the predecessors of our union fought for,
Save the Middle class- reject any contract that does not grant us protection from being “Prostituted”.
3) Finally- who gets to vote?
I have heard that there is a movement in SAG to relegate Voting rights only to certain Actors who have made “x” amount of money or worked “x” amount of days in the last 3 years.
If this occurs- I feel any actor who does not meet this criteria should collectively litigate the union.
We all deserve a vote- not just the fortunate.
Otherwise- this is not a union, but an expensive Fan Club.
Please Protect the vote of all Journeymen actors- ALL MEMBERS!
Again, Please save our union.
Thanks for listening and for your work.
Jon Amirkhan
SAG member
00434953
Personally, I can’t quite see booting off board members who fight for the rights and future of our fellow SAG members. Though they may seem like “roadblocks”, standing in the way of “progress” and your “cause”, clearly, Lilly you must question your cause.
I am behind Clancy and Frances. DO NOT GO ANYWHERE! WE NEED YOU!!
I find it funny that as someone mentioned many postings ago, these site have no real way of validating who is posting them. So people posting here could simply be AMPTP stooges, who are stiring up trouble.
George Kaplan, my friend, you have made a very interesting proposal. SAG and the IATSE on the same side, working for a better contract? Indeed. But why stop there? Aren’t the AMPTP in breach of contract with the WGA? How about the DGA? People continue to speak of the grand upheaval, the brilliant and vast display of solidarity amongst all our brother and sister unions three years from now, BUT IF the AMPTP truely is in breach of contract, which I believe they are, why not all of us together
strike….right….now!
Thanks Clancy Brown. Through much of what is old-school and childish mud-slinging it’s refreshing to hear intelligent commentary.
Let’s get Clooney, Hanks, DeVito, Alexander, & Diaz to change their position and side with the union so we can get a fair contract and get back to work.
I can read, but I can’t add, I gave you the same link twice – here’s the alternate I intended to give you:
http://www.youtube.com/rico61bueno
So, after the names of those MF board members who voted down the “motion” of this past Sat. were exposed by a loser named Ligon on that pathetic site SAGWATCH, I called two of those named. I asked them why they voted the motion to reject the LBF offer of the AMPTP down. In my opinion, at face value, it seemed odd that a group that stands for the middle class actor and the continued health of SAG would vote to NOT REJECT the LBF. After my two conversations, it now doesn’t seem odd or inconsistent.
I originally met these two MF national board members when they came to speak to my acting class and I’ve seen them in action when I attended a open Hollywood Division board meeting. These two are experienced, seasoned board members who have been on previous negotiating committees with McGuire. Although they were very respectful regarding McGuire and his 40 years as an employee of SAG, they had little to no faith in his ability to secure a deal that the membership could endorse. Without disclosing too much, they did inform me that McGuire has withdrawn from SAG’s proposal package the two core issues that were most important to the board back in July and October 2008; complete jurisdiction and residuals for all original product made for new media. There were many other key issues withdrawn by McGuire which in the opinion of these two board members, gutted SAG’s entire proposal package. So, who really cares if they Guild rejects the LBF offer? I believe, once the members actually see what McGuire, Masur, Vaughn and the gang want to present to the members, it, too, will be rejected. This 11th hour tactic of the AMPTP regarding term is just a blip on the radar. And many believe that McGuire is turning into a bigger deal than it really is just to distract us from what the real scary thing is; McGuire has withdrawn jurisdiction and residuals for new media. Those proposals are gone.
And let’s talk about “term”. I understand how important it is to have all contracts expire around the same time. I get the leverage argument and all of that. But what’s to stop the DGA from negotiating early, once again? What’s to stop any union from going in before Nov 10th 2010, making a deal, therefore setting the template for SAG? Isn’t that were we are now? How’s that working for us? There will be no coming together from the other unions. There is no perfect storm. Unless each union signs some sort of deal or pact promising not to go in before any other union, what difference does all of this term stuff make?
These two board members were concerned that if SAG gave McGuire/White the unanimous vote they were insistent in getting, then McGuire could take that “board unity” back to the AMPTP, forcing them to finally “see the light” and back off on their conditions regarding term and offer us a LBF that would expire with the others. McGuire and others would claim victory which would allow McGuire to push the gutted SAG proposals across the table to the AMPTP, who in turn will get what they’ve always wanted, (no residual payment obligation for new media and other things). A tentative deal would be agreed to, McGuire would bring it back to the board with his strong recommendation of a “yes” vote and the board, with a very slim majority, would vote to recommend this piece of crap to the membership. Also, this ‘Moderate” majority could then vote to deny a minority report ( that only takes a simple majority vote) and also try to change the voting qualifications, making it more difficult for all members in good standing to have the right to vote on this contract. (Qualified Voting).
Wouldn’t it have been a stronger message to the membership and the industry if the final motion was “SAG rejects the AMPTP’s LBF and will send out the SAV immediately.” Or “SAG rejects AMPTP’s LBF and will send it out, with a “NO” recommendation, to the membership.” Those were the two alternative motions made to the Board by MF board members, but were rejected by UFS, NY and RBD board members.
The MF board members who voted down that weak motion of rejection didn’t do so because they like or support the LBF. They did so because they didn’t believe that the motion was strong enough or meant anything at all to the membership. And also, unlike Sam Freed, Richard Masur and all of the other board members who voted for the core principles and sending out the SAV once mediations failed but then immediately reneged and started a campaign to disparage and negate what the original negotiating committee was trying to do, the MF’ers who voted the Sat. motion down did so because at some point they will go public explaining why they did vote it down. Unlike Masur, Freed and others, these MF board members are not hypocrites.
Let’s all keep our eyes open. Ask yourselves why Vaughn, Masur, Freed, Brenneman, Walsh and others voted against sending out a SAV or the LBF. Why did they think just saying SAG rejects the LBF is good or strong enough? Why not, after all this time, attach some teeth to it? Why not let the membership finally have our say? I think instead of asking those MF’ers why they voted DOWN that weak ass motion, we should be asking Vaughn, Masur, Freed and their gang why they have, once again, denied the members the right to vote. NOW!!!!!!
Woody,
Thanks for the implied confidence but Anonymous (the one that doesn’t hate SAG/actors/unions) is right. I’m not saying anything new. I come at it without much baggage but it’s not new.
Rosenburg and Allen have preached the empowerment of membership and the compromised cultures of the AMPTP constituents before. These two points, specifically are coming into sharper relief each day.
Chernin steps down….hmmm?
Because of our stalemate? Not directly. I’m sure even some of the reasons he stated in his memo and those stated by Mr. Murdoch in his (required reading btw) are true. But those are the “soft” reasons. Mr. Murdoch hints in his memo how extreme the situation is becoming and how fierce his business reaction to it might have to be.
For Chernin to “step down” at such a critical turning point; not just for News Corp, but for the entire media industry, belies something more profound.
He’s not the guy to lead them going forward for whatever reason. And that IS significant.
We may see more of it in the future.
As to your question “What next?”. That’s easy – SOLIDARITY.
We’ve left ourselves no exit. The “shock and awe” of the written assent didn’t work or, if you prefer a different historic analogy, The Munich Agreement.
There is only one unexplored strike-avoiding option – sending out the SAV. Let membership be heard. And do it as soon as practicable. We could blow past the 75% authorization level into the 90s, I’m sure, if the National Board and branches could get over themselves for just a little while. Solidarity among the membership would cut through all of it. But you’ll have to make it happen. Those of us that want membership to vote have been shut down by the new National Board Majority. Their specific plans are a mystery except for their lack of confidence in membership. Maybe they’ve got the AMPTP right where they want them…or not.
The mess the written assent created is just the tip of the iceberg. I’m sure the signers of it consider it some kind of righteous revolution but really it’s more of the same and the iceberg will flip again and again and again and again unless some humility and reverence for the institution and it’s mission can supplant pettier motives.
The “National Board Majority” is a thin and fragile coalition of cults – the cult of Revenge, the cult of Fear, the cult of Ego, the cult of Personality, the cult of Merger, the cult of Hatred, the cult of Helplessness, the cult of Geography, the cult of Work Credits, the cult of You-Name-It. It is no different than what has happened in the past. Even Membership First and the Rosenburg/Allen advocates are cultish.
Don’t get me wrong, factions are immensely creative resources when tolerant and respectful of each other’s principled positions. When focused on finding a solution, good ideas come from everywhere. But the single-minded pursuit of an agenda, or revenge, or self-redemption or whatever has no place in a deliberative body.
Those unwilling to share information and ideas and concerns and state clearly their principled priorities with EVERYONE are not equipped to lead a dog around the block. And those that are too intellectually lazy or pre-occupied to do anything more than what they are told shouldn’t even attempt to go around the block.
I won’t ever publicly disparage a fellow actor or board member by name. Yes, I have my opinions about many of my colleagues but I also have to keep trying to work with them right now. My hope is that the ones that truly want to find stable common ground will break free of their cult and get down to business.
And realize this:
The AMPTP is just as fractious and even more cultish. The difference is their discipline. Every single person sitting behind Nick Counter and Carole Lombardini would take a bullet for their respective corporations (or at least figure a way to get someone else to take it). Once we exhibit the same discipline in a sustained public way, all bets are off.
A resounding Strike Authorization will accomplish that. Voting down the contract might imply it. Doing nothing and stating the obvious – “We reject the AMPTP’s LBFO!”… Again! … We’re serious this time! … Hello?… – might give them pause but won’t unseat THEIR hard-liners and we either cave or have the LBFO imposed on us which is the absolute worst scenario for everyone including the AMPTP.
The term issue is unimportant compared to everything else. I won’t list AGAIN what we are fighting for. Three years from now we will have to fight again. Hopefully not over the same things. Waiting three years and counting on merging or coordinating will just attenuate the strife and uncertainty we are going through now. The AMPTP may not even exist anymore. Some of it’s constituent members may disappear or merge or profoundly change and we will be no better equipped than we were at the end of June 2008 to deal with it. In three years, the business will have drastically changed.
As DeNiro’s character in “The Deerhunter” said, “This is this. This ain’t something else. When are you gonna grow up, Joey?” This contract is this contract. Without it, we will miss a step. With the one that’s on the table, we take several steps back. Perhaps we should instead climb out of the box and shift the paradigm entirely in the next contract cycle. If there are no more ancillary markets only one market as Barry Meyer said in the New York Times article that Tom Bower keeps reminding us of, perhaps one contract should be built. As long as the core principles are adhered to, a simpler contract for all media regardless of production or distribution technology seems conceiveable.
1) residuals in perpetuity in all media
2) jurisdiction in all New Media
3) Force Majuere protection
Merger with AFTRA, while intuitively obvious, is profoundly more complex and definitely NOT the panacea some believe it to be. It can and probably should happen but it must be to the benefit of every member in each union. There should be no “sacrifices” at the altar of leverage just to accomplish uniformity. Plans have come close but deflated due to the pin-pricks of unresolved details. Reviving AIMA isn’t enough. The fine print has to be finalized and the membership and legacies of both unions have to be protected. Can it be done? Yes, with hard work and cooperation. Should it be “fast-tracked?” Absolutely not. You make sure every single member saves money, gets more benefits, and qualifies sooner. “t”s crossed, “i”s dotted. That only happens with immense patience and obsessive attention to detail.
Can the new National Board Majority do all that? You be the judge. Patience and Due Diligence have not yet reached cult status at SAG.
Hope that helped somewhat. Time is of the essence. Be heard.
But again, Woody, I’m not saying anything that hasn’t been pointed out before.
“They will take a bullet?”
Well, they’re getting paid. Enormous amounts of money. (AMPTP and it’s denizens)
SAG members are not. Solidarity comes with transparency, which SAG does not provide – full membership access via live streaming and archiving of meetings. Enough with the tales of this screamer or that blowhard. The bottom line is: the people predisposed to one faction: “hard-liners” or the other: “moderates” will swallow whole their respective factions’ description of reality, and shake their heads at the obvious malfeasance of the other side. The VAST majority of the SAG membership? Don’t know what to believe.
Why should they? It’s either one side pushing its rabid ideology down the memberships throat, or the other, whomever happens to have the reins of power at any given time.
Two things: full transparency for members, which means – you can watch meetings stremed live, or check out archived copies at SAG.org – AND term limits.
There are partisans on both sides who have been on the SAG government merry go round for years – in some cases – decades.
Fresh blood. New ideas. Let the past stay where it belongs – in the past. Learn from mistakes, yes, but move on. The very fact the union is stuck in essentially the same debate it’s been having for decades: “moderate” vs. “hard-liner” is absolute proof of the system NOT serving the membership, who should have full, open and unfettered access, and therefore be able to make up their own minds.
To Matt Mulhern:
MembershipFirst has had open board meetings in Hollywood since 2005.
This does not happen in New York. Or in National Board meetings. Why?
It was in the papers that Richard Masur (currently on the NY board) was caught rigging the NEC election in 1999- WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT OF SAG –
It was reported that Richard Masur (to restart negotiations) made the motion to ready a strike authorization referendum if mediation failed, and when it did? Immediately set to work to make sure the SAV would fail, by rallying any actor/producer or star or series regular to sign their name to a letter opposing even sending out the SAV.
And you wonder why SAG is in such a pickle? Their own board members are working to bust their union.
Now, with Masur in charge (u4s works for him)- the BM (Board Majority) won’t send out a SAV or the LBF offer – They won’t let the membership vote on ANYthing!
Mulhern, ya want change? Don’t you live in New York?
Then run for the board – Bogosian needs a little backup.
I love how after months and months of failed strategies the actors are now turning to the IA for unity, and to bail them out of the mess they have created.
Formerly when IA members would post their concerns we were told over and over how we should shut up and stay out of it as the actors had to put themselves first and worry about their own livelihood.
How the actors require residuals to stay solvent.
Well guess what? We don’t get residuals, we don’t get paid in the present for work we did in the past. There is only one way for us to stay afloat, and that is to KEEP WORKING! And steadily.
Now more than eight months into this mess you are trying to convince us that turning down our own contract is in OUR best interest.
Right.
There has got to be a way to police and/or prohibit producers, dual card-holders from watching streamed meetings. And I do not agree with the “more grandstanding” take. I think it would be exactly the opposite. When people like Masur know they are being watched, my strong sense is they’d be a LOT more conscious of, and careful with, their words. People acting like maniacs – and they exist on BOTH sides, will be accountable to the membership, and will be voted OUT, as they should be, and turned against by the membership, as they SHOULD be.
When you know you are speaking to THE MEMBERSHIP in that meeting, you’re going to want to be convincing and persuasive and factually efficient – your not going to want to be perceived as a screaming, yelling, bullying, boor. THAT’S an immediate turn-off. Masur, and others, would have been thrown out of SAG government YEARS ago if these meetings were available to the membership to watch. My damn little tiny town in Westchester County NY puts the meetings on cable live! Anybody can come and anybody can watch.
The “spies” argument is EXACTLY why SAG is in the shitter – nobody can SEE it – they all rely on whispers and innuendo – and ONE side, who happens to have power, communicating THEIR message and shunning the opposition.
And while I agree with MF’s positions on a range of issues, half the union, perhaps more, right now, thinks they’re full of shit.
I mean, at SOME point, whether you’re as convinced of your cause as Ghandi, you have to understand, MF is NOT getting ANY support right now – not in the mainstream press, of course not in the industry press – nowhere. Why?
And don’t give me “the corporations that own the blah, blah, blah ” – a convincing case, well told, will attract media attention. There are plenty of journalists and op-ed writers and broadcasters who would eat this story up:
“Billionaire corporate moguls make money and power grab entering new media – on the backs of middle class actors!”
And yet. I don’t see that headline. ANYWHERE. I have sent Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews, Bob Herbert, Frank Rich, Maureen Dowd, Paul Krugman and more, this story, maybe… 5 times now – and NOBODY CARES.
Why?
Because MF has lost the propaganda war. They never even FOUGHT the propaganda war. They just conceded, more or less. Why wouldn’t ANY lefty journalist want to cover this really interesting show-biz suits vs. union story? It’s a union-busting extraordinaire tale, and yet… nothing.
The reason is – when Meryl Streep and Tom Hanks come out and say “This is the worst crisis since the Great Depression and a strike would crush the industry and the middle-class actor and we don’t know what these people are thinking” you may vehemently disagree (I certainly do) but you damn well better have a plan to deal with that. MF doesn’t and never did.
MF would have done themselves so much good to make p.r. for their cause from day one THE priority – I personally, have been sending them emails to ratchet it up for… a year? Nothing.
You want to “educate the members?”
Get it on the news. Get it in the New York Times. Not just the superficialities, which is all you read, but convince an influential journalist – if the case is so obvious, and see what a couple major pieces on your cause will do for “educating the membership.”
It will (would – probably too late now, like so much of MF) make an enormous difference for a respected, influential journalist to come out hard against the “moderates” and the AMPTP.
And yet? Nothing. Not a single hard-hitting piece the entire time.
The perception, if there even IS one is “Hard-line faction within SAG refuses to accept deal all other creative unions have accepted – industry grinding to halt.”
Wow. They say there’s no bad publicity? That’s BAD publicity. Really, really bad.
matt mulhern …
i usually agree with you, but i have to disagree about why rachel maddow, keith olbermann, etc., aren’t interested in what’s happening at sag.
firstly, rachel, keith, chris matthews … they’re aftra. and why on earth would paul krugman be interested in sag? he’s frying way bigger fish.
secondly, why do you view this as an mf issue and not a sag issue? do you really think higher profile journalists are going to take on meryl streep and tom hanks? the slant doesn’t fit into their reporting agenda. do you actually think journalists in general might not have a predisposition toward viewing actors as privileged and spoiled?
i understand the point you’re making, but what lefty journalists aren’t owned by media corporations? honestly, in this particular regard, i think you’re being too hard on mf. and i’d like to ask you what you think an effective plan would have been to counter a-list actors coming out against their own union?