Surprise, surprise: SAG is at war with itself again, this time about whether there are or aren't discussions informally underway, and is or isn't progress being made, on a new contract with the Big Media employers. Today, the NY Division Board of the Screen Actors Guild issued a resolution claiming "nothing is happening and we are no closer to a deal than we were six weeks ago", blaming only the SAG negotiators and not the AMPTP negotiators for the impasse, and setting a deadline that if "no clear and obvious movement forward" is made by August 25th that a federal mediator should be brought in. The resolution prompted swift denials by both SAG national executive director and chief negotiator Doug Allen and SAG national president Alan Rosenberg. This is not the first time, nor will it probably be the last, that SAG's NY Division Board rightly or wrongly has attacked the guild's Hollywood leadership. Here are all three statements:
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August 17, 2008 -- The NY Division Board of the Screen Actors Guild issued the following resolution today:
"Every day the members of Screen Actors Guild are losing hundreds of thousands of dollars in unrealized wage increases while working under an expired TV/Theatrical contract. Every day our pension and health plans are losing the additional contributions these wage increases would supply. We hear from National Executive Director Doug Allen that, "Discussions through alternative channels are ongoing," and from President Alan Rosenberg that, "We're doing a phenomenal job!" But nothing is happening and we are no closer to a deal than we were six weeks ago.
"In failing to bargain realistically with the AMPTP and remove unattainable items from the table, our negotiating team, controlled by the current Hollywood leadership, has pursued an agenda that has more to do with politics than with securing a beneficial contract and has betrayed the trust of the membership. It seems, as industry press has reported, that they intend to simply sit still until the upcoming elections are concluded, rather than make the "unpopular" moves necessary to make a deal. In short, the willful inaction of our negotiators is costing our members money, every day.
"The New York members of the National Board of Screen Actors Guild insist that our negotiators signal to the AMPTP SAG's willingness to bargain in good faith and remove any impediments to the achievement of a deal. If there is no clear and obvious movement forward in the negotiating process by August 25th, we demand that our negotiators request a federal mediator be brought in to facilitate the negotiating process and finally get our members a contract. Our members are losing over $1.7 million every week that we continue to work under the expired TV/Theatrical agreement. This must not continue."
NY President and second National Vice-President, Sam Freed, also issued the following comment: "All of us in NY, Hollywood and across the country should be concerned about how this failure to reach an agreement is impacting our members. They have already suffered significantly as a result of the WGA strike, and now they are experiencing an additional loss of work, made worse when they can find a job, by having to work without a contract under old terms and conditions. There are some who feel we have all the time in the world to make this deal. We on the NY Board do not."
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SAG national executive director and chief negotiator Doug Allen's response to the NYD resolution:
"This is an advisory motion of the New York Division Board of Directors. SAG's negotiation strategy is determined by the National Negotiating Committee under the authority of, and informed by the advice and review of the National Board of Directors. The New York Division Board has proportional representation on both of these bodies and can, like Hollywood and Regional Branch Division Boards, submit advisory motions to the National Board of Directors for its consideration.
"As recently as several weeks ago, the National Board of Directors provided significant guidance to the National Negotiating Committee and SAG's negotiators in the form of a unanimous resolution declaring that two new media principles offered by management are unacceptable. This strong message of unity and support offered and approved by the representatives of the Regional Branch Division, the Hollywood Division and the New York Division of the Board provided specific direction to the negotiators on key elements of the negotiations.
"Contrary to some characterizations included in this advisory motion, the negotiators have held substantive discussions with numerous representatives of the employers and the AMPTP over the last several weeks and will continue to do so in an effort to secure a fair deal for SAG members.
"Mediation is an option available any time the parties mutually agree to it. Mediation does not guarantee that negotiations will accelerate to an agreement and often has slowed the process down, as recently seen in the WGA negotiations which included mediation. It has not, up to this point, been viewed as something the parties feel would facilitate an agreement.
"As per our standard procedure, this Division advisory motion will be conveyed to the National Board of Directors along with any advisories that may be issued by the Regional Branch Division or Hollywood Division Boards.
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Los Angeles, CA (August 17, 2008) – SAG National President Alan Rosenberg responds to the New York Division board press release:
“This advisory motion is not in the best interests of New York Division SAG members or any SAG members across the country. It could tend to delay and prolong the negotiations by emboldening management with a false belief that SAG actors are split on the issues.
"The plainly political nature of this action is cynical and unfortunate. It is an attempt to damage SAG’s negotiations and New York Division members may well wonder why this action is being taken by their elected representatives,” said Rosenberg.
"On Wednesday, August 13, 2008, the SAG National Negotiating Committee met for an update and was at no time informed of the New York Division advisory motion which had been passed by the New York Division Board in executive session two days prior on Monday, August 11.
"New York Division Board members, including the New York Division President and Negotiating Committee Co-chair, were in attendance at the negotiating committee meeting and did not mention the advisory motion. These representatives of SAG actors in the New York Division failed to provide the negotiating committee with important and critical information in their possession at the time."


At least one division of SAG appears to have pulled their heads out of their asses! The West coast guild has been shady from the start – making unreasonable demands, trying to bring down another guild, refusing to negotiate, and fighting and manipulating other divisions. Rosenberg and Allen should be removed.
What I don’t understand is why so many people – AFTRA, SAG NY, the United Whatever they call themselves slate – are so willing to give away our future by accepting a shitty deal. The AMPTMP must be loving all these spineless “we’ll take whatever crumbs you offer” actors.
Confused and pissed says
“What I don’t understand is why so many people – AFTRA, SAG NY, the United Whatever they call themselves slate – are so willing to give away our future by accepting a shitty deal. The AMPTMP must be loving all these spineless “we’ll take whatever crumbs you offer” actors.”
Add the DGA and the WGA to that sentence, and what have you got? Everybody is wrong except for SAG. Hmmm. Really?
These have to be the dumbest people in the world. It doesn’t matter how pissed off you are, rightly or wrongly, but you don’t air this stuff in public. Every time they do they might as well just wash another percentage point down the drain. We are in the presence of morons.
When you get ignored in private and a bunch of has beens is holding up your money, you go public.
It’s that simple.
There’s nothing else for you to do, other than vote those MeFirst losers out of office as quickly as possible. And everyone’s already working on that.
So where were all these weeping willows when Membership First publicly dumped on SAG leaders and every single one of their initiatives for the five years before they got into the drivers seat? At least SAG New York is telling it like it really is. Do those MF clowns really expect everyone to jam into that klown kar and go over the cliff AGAIN?
Confused and pissed says
“What I don’t understand is why so many people – AFTRA, SAG NY, the United Whatever they call themselves slate – are so willing to give away our future by accepting a shitty deal. The AMPTMP must be loving all these spineless “we’ll take whatever crumbs you offer” actors.”
Anonymous wrote:
“Add the DGA and the WGA to that sentence, and what have you got? Everybody is wrong except for SAG. Hmmm. Really?”
The DGA took a lousy deal and by doing so undermined every other union…so yes they were wrong. The WGA had the balls to try and stop the bleeding as much as possible. They shouldn’t have had to strike to get anything even remotely resembling a fair deal…no they were not wrong. AFTRA simply signed whatever was offered them because they have a history of giving away residuals…yes, they were wrong. SAG has different needs than the other unions and it’s a testament to their leadership that despite the loud panic call to take whatever contract is offered, they decided to do their job. They realize the importance of not giving away their members’ future…so, no they are not wrong. The only “wrong” people here is the AMTMP and the very vocal minority who are willing to take a terrible deal just because they are afraid to stand up for their rights and the rights of others.
Hope that answers your insincere sounding question.
Membership First had the right idea, just no guts to carry it out. There is zero leverage when two unions are negotiating deals (separately OR together) that cover the same work… and when the low-ball baby union (AFTRA) will cut any collective or side deal it can to get more of the jurisdiction.
Jurisdiction needs to be split if actors ever want a fair contract again. AFTRA needs to stop representing itself and start representing its membership by doing what it does best (everything non-scripted) and giving SAG back exclusive representation of performers of all scripted programs and commercials with any visual element.
And SAG needs to deal with the fact that 70% of U.S. production is cast out of Los Angeles… and cut NY SAG and the ‘Regional’ Branches (who have almost no significant production that isn’t cast out of L.A.) loose to fend for themselves. The bozos running those SAG Divisions should just call themselves AFTRA branches anyway.
Of course none of this will happen. No one running (or running for offices in) SAG or AFTRA is brave enough to make the hard choices and take the aggressive steps that will REALLY fix this mess once and for all.
Dear confused and pissed,
Let me try to follow your “logical” argument. The DGA is wrong. The WGA took the same deal, but they have balls because they struck, so they’re not wrong. But the only people that are wrong are the AMPTP. Huh? These are your words. They don’t make sense. Sorry about that. I guess that makes YOU wrong.
both the hollywood and new york negotiators (including sam freed) unanimously rejected the amptp’s final offer.
y’all are nuts to blame the other guilds for negotiating contracts for their members. You use the leverage you have to get the best deal you can. Seems like it’s that simple…
For various reasons, most of which having to do with SAG’s complex and self-defeating internal politics, SAG has squandered what little leverage it had. A strike would likely not even be authorized, and even if it was it would be by a small margin, and it would ultimately just damage to the very industry that pays SAG’s bills.
You can blame the other guilds but at the end of the day they’re all smart enough to know that it’s a bad idea to negotiate with a guild like SAG….
yeah, krispy kreem, of course, is right.
at what point will this turn around in the next month, as the actors peruse their ballots and start to see who the cowards are (hint: u4s, aftra, ny sag board, regional sag) and who has the balls to take on the suits (l.a. sag only mf members)
I believe that is the point of a “mediator” …. To Mediate, when Two parties can’t work it out.
Not only is “Confused and Pissed” correct, but in the months since the DGA signed their deal, two studios have announced billion-dollar revenue predictions for 2008 and the studios’/networks’ migration from traditional to Internet content distribution continues apace. Fresh deals for Internet distribution are announced almost daily.
The AMPTP has dug in their heels on New Media, referring to the framework as “well-established”. This is not the language of an entity that respects sunset clauses. The DGA, the WGA, and AFTRA, lamentably, chose to rest their hopes on a chimera. It’s not too late for any of them. They can start the hard and serious work of organizing now in preparation for a very bruising negotiation process next time out.
SAG, meanwhile, must hang tough. The short-term risk may run into the low millions – spread across tens of thousands of actors – however, the long-term losses from a New Media giveaway would likely run into the tens of billions of dollars over the next three decades. By comparison, this would make the VHS/DVD debacle look like a minor accounting error.
The long-term damage to actors and their guild from capitulation to the moguls on New Media far, far outweighs any piddling short-term gains.
i find it truly shocking that people are attacking mf for fighting the suits for a fair share of new media. we all know that entertainment delivery systems are merging and will all soon be under the banner of new media.
i WANT sag’s negotiators to take a hard line with the amptp. does u4s actually think the amptp will treat them differently than they’re treating mf?
i heard that some u4s-ers were very unpleasantly surprised to learn that, according to guild rules, their being elected wouldn’t unseat the current negotiating committee.
personally, i prefer leadership that at least has a working knowledge of the guild’s rules and regulations.
The New York board members are underminers, liars and self serving. They have spead lies, untruths and violated the very oath of office they chose to fun for and have been elected to by the membership. Those members who have put out the latest press release, speaking lies and demanding that SAG members take less, work non union contracts and give film clips for free just to sign a horrible new contract have been informed more this year than any other. New York board members have been privy to private and confidential conversations daily with senior staff and when they do attend meetings, it is on membership dues, they eat and are reimbursed for expenses from the memberships hard earned dues and now they continue to go public with their own blatant lies and untruths? Throw them out of office for “Conduct Unbecoming a National Director/Officer as well as expell them from SAG. Then they can work non-union forever and work off the card as AFTRA allows it’s members to work. Never in my 44yrs as a SAG member have I ever witnessed such public contempt for the well being of all SAG actors earning futures. NY Bds puts in the press their outright deceit and violation of the their oath of office intrusted to them by the membership. They take an oath. There are confidential meetings which they have violated and given the AMPTP to smile. Any member can bring them up on charges. 4SHAME SAM&NY Honest Abe