I've spent all day talking to sources on all sides of the WGA-mogul talks, and here is the latest news. I've opened comments now that I'm done posting.
(Keep refreshing... See updates below)
I'm told that Patric Verrone, Dave Young and John Bowman -- the WGA leadership involved in Friday's breakthrough session of the writer-mogul talks with Peter Chernin and Bob Iger -- are recommending the deal hashed out Friday and briefed the guild's negotiating committee today. There is also a regularly scheduled WGA board meeting today, and the leadership may brief the board about the deal but that's not certain. I hear no one at the top of the guild will be asked to vote on the deal today. That can't happen until the deal is drafted, and there's the rub. I'm told that if something, or someone, gets tricky with the language or terms, then writing down what was agreed to becomes a major haggle. "Everything needs to be in writing. So there's still a possibility that this thing could get fucked," an insider explains to me. "The DGA has five months to put its shit in writing but the WGA has to get it all in writing before the strike can be called off. There has to be a draft and that has to be approved."
Without problems, the draft could be done by week's end, maybe longer. But I hear various people from inside and outside the union are pressuring the WGA to schedule the vote as soon as possible. Here's why: once both the WGA negotiating committee and the WGA board approve the deal, then the guild leaders would call off the strike immediately. I'm told that was an integral part of the agreement because the moguls didn't want to wait for the membership at large to weigh in on the deal. Among those pressing for this were Bob Iger, who for obvious reasons wants the picket lines to come down so Hollywood can feel free to attend ABC's Academy Awards.
But there are genuine concerns that the negotiating committee and the board may not approve the deal, even though Verrone, Young and Bowman are behind it. (Though the votes do not have to be unanimous.) There are also genuine concerns that the WGA membership may not approve the deal -- like what happened during the 1960 strike.
UPDATE -- Tonight, this letter is going out to members from WGA Negotiating Committee Chair John Bowman in advance of the WGAW supposedly holding a general membership meeting at 6:30 PM Saturday at the Shrine Auditorium to provide an update on the negotiations:
Dear Fellow Members:
I would like to update you on where we stand with bargaining with the AMPTP. While we have made important progress since the companies re-engaged us in serious talks, negotiations continue. Regardless of what you hear or read, there are many significant points that have yet to be worked out.In order to keep members abreast of the latest developments, informational meetings are being planned by both Guilds for this weekend-details to be announced. Neither the Negotiating Committee, nor the West Board or the East Council, will take action on the contract until after the membership meetings.
As the talks proceed, never forget that during this period it is critical for us to remain on the picket lines united and strong. We are all in this together.
So now is the time for everyone to back off. That's right, BACK OFF. And to let the WGA leadership talk to its board and also its membership without outside interference.
Look, a ridiculously large number of Hollywood power players -- from major feature film writers and TV showrunners, to agents and managers and lawyers, to executives and moguls -- have been on the phone in recent weeks urging the media to pressure the WGA to take the DGA deal, or whatever is negotiated, and call off the strike before the Oscars. I've heard smart arguments and I've heard nonsensical arguments (like the big-time agent who described the TV showrunners as "the plantation owners" vs the TV writers who worked for them as "the cotton-pickers who should just damn well be grateful they have health and pension and get back to work already".) But who was putting equal pressure on the moguls? Certainly not Variety, or the Los Angeles Times, or The New York Times. Outrageous that every mainstream media outlet influential in showbiz from the outset took the AMPTP shill position that the DGA deal was a great deal because it was negotiated by grown-ups and the WGA brats better take it or else. When it had been the moguls who have acted childish and churlish pre- and post-strike. Worse, they'd disengaged from the process, with occasional exceptions, and hadn't met together even once. (Unlike 1988 when there was truly a sense of urgency and they regularly huddled in Bel Air living rooms.) If anybody, the media should have been pressuring the Hollywood CEOs to use the DGA deal as a good start. After all, everyone was making it seem like the shitty DGA deal was the only possible deal available to the writers. But only the scribes knew what terms were needed to make the strike worthwhile to them. I and other media didn't need to arrogantly advise them on the details or even explain the big picture. This was their fight, not ours.
Judging from the thousands of emails I received during my illness, opinions within the WGA were running 3-to-1 that the DGA deal after its sketchy details were announced looked both promisingly incremental and fundamentally excremental. Incremental because it did address issues which the Hollywood CEOs previously withheld from their faux negotiations with the WGA, like an electronic sell-through formula. (And how long was everybody waiting for that to finally show up on the bargaining table?) And excremental because the deal's ad-supported streaming payout was still insulting. Even the most short-sighted entertainment seers except the moguls could peer into the future and see that, for at least the next three years, ad-embedded streaming will be the delivery method of choice for media content producers, consumers and advertisers. It certainly is right now. And, given Wal-Mart's recent decision to abandon the downloading biz at this time (because the light demand wasn't worth the cost of the server farms), it certainly is for the life of the WGA's next contract. But the moguls seemed to fashion the DGA deal in such a way as to undermine and eventually eradicate the old residual system they hate even though it keeps so many writers solvent. A screenwriter pal of mine credits residuals with creating the "middle class writer". I personally know so many scribes who find themselves working one year, begging for work the next two, and afraid that as they get older they won't have staying power in the scribbling business. Because the statistics back up that paranoia: the only people allowed to grow old gracefully employed in Hollywood are the moguls. As for residuals, the majority of the DGA membership get no direct residual payments but the big guns of the DGA all get profit participation on their projects. That leaves only 20% of that guild's membership for whom residual payments are a lifeline. So the DGA deal could play well for the CEOs in the press and put pressure on the WGA leadership to take it or look unreasonable by comparison. But what the DGA needed and what the WGA needed were apples and oranges. When it comes to Hollywood deals, one size does not fit all.
Thankfully, it didn't require a room full of rocket scientists to attempt to adapt the DGA deal to the needs of the WGA membership. It did require John Bowman to take a leadership role. Rightly or wrongly, he was always viewed as a moderate by the moguls compared to Young and Verrone whom the CEOs villified as the militants. "Bowman just had a better relationship with those guys because he was more of a known quantity having once been a big guy in TV," an insider tells me. So it was Bowman who met with Peter Chernin, Barry Meyer and Les Moonves to break the ice back on January 7th at a meeting where supposedly the CEOs said they were sorry for acting like assholes during Phase I and II of the negotiations. From that confab, the WGA-mogul talks were recently reborn.
Another major difference was the presence of entertainment lawyer Alan Wertheimer who has long repped some of the major motion picture and TV scribes. Asked to step in on behalf of the WGA, Wertheimer "was someone who broke down what was being offered and presented the ramifications the way any lawyer does in a negotiation," an insider told me. "He was extremely helpful." Another told me, "He was kind of a hero." The moguls knew they'd have to look him in the eye when this was all over, same as they'd have to look Bryan Lourd in the eye. (As opposed to the WGA's leadership, whom the CEOs could go back to ignoring. Just like they do most Hollywood scribes.)
As the informal talks started, I kept worrying that the moguls would make good on their promise to me not to reward the WGA for striking (by giving them better terms than the directors and thus make the helmers look weak). But that was a ridiculous way to view the situation when a vital issue like residuals is part of the WGA contract's DNA. At the same time, the Hollywood CEOs were startled by the distrust they found among the WGA leadership. Not only had weeks and months of dealing with Nick Counter, and believing AMPTP promises to put New Media terms on the table, poisoned the overall atmosphere. But also the moguls' own lies. After all, Big Media had never bothered to revisit the weak formulas for home video or DVD before, so why should the writers believe the CEOs' latest pledge to revisit the formulas for New Media in three years?
First, it took a lot of lobbying to convince the WGA leaders there would be no "significant" money in streaming for the next several years. (One source claimed that the WGA's numbers were "quadruple" what was really the truth.) "The networks still get it as part of the license fee, and if you compare the viewers per rerun at $20K and the viewers of streams at $1,200, the stream deal is better," an insider told me. "People need to be educated on the economics, and, fortunately, the WGA deal will give talent access to a lot of the info necessary to determine what's fair in the future. It's simply not possible to know today what will (or will not be) appropriate in 10 years. Fortunately, the deal is up in three, and the WGA has shown that it isn't afraid to strike over these issues."
Meanwhile, Chernin and Iger focused on addressing the WGA's New Media residual needs without confusing them with the DGA's. "To their credit, Bob and Peter said to the WGA, 'Tell us what really concerns you.' And that's when things really started moving on questions about jurisidiction on the Internet and the third-year formula for streaming."
At the same time, leaders of different dissident factions within the WGA (some made up of very powerful TV showrunners and feature film writers), approached the guild toppers with an ultimatum. These factions, who one source told me total 300 members in all and had been held in check up until then, declared that they would no longer promise to keep silent if a deal wasn't done right away. "A lot of things came together Friday," an insider told me. "Chernin was back. And Iger was there. And the guys on the WGA side knew if they didn't come out with a deal this weekend that Monday was going to be a bad day. They'd been personally told by these different pockets of writers who knew what was going on that they would no longer be supportive and measured. They planned on going public. They planned to blow the guild up."
UPDATE: *But tonight another source assured me that those who put pressure on the Guild to make a deal were only a handful of actual showrunners and not big-name ones. "Mainly a group of desperate people in the mix - including some non-writing producers - who were more concerned about getting back to work than getting a good deal." According to one TV hyphenate personally involved in a letter drafted to Verrone, Young and Bowman that as of Friday was signed by 75 showrunners, it asked the WGA trio to obtain better terms than the DGA deal in a few key areas. "As one who was on the phone for two days getting signatures, these showrunners were plenty serious about what needed to get done. So, it wasn't the influence of the negatives who held the negotiations hostage; our guys had plenty of ammo going in there to tell the other side that a bum deal would never get ratified by the majority of showrunners or their staffs."*
Now it's up to the WGA leadership to use the next weeks wisely. The writers don't want this deal shoved down their throats any more than they wanted that done with the DGA deal. Yet it's surprising that the current plan calls for just that. If indeed the board approves of the new deal, then the right thing to do is to let the membership vote before the strike is called off. That gives the WGA leadership time enough to complete the delicate dance of lowering members' expectations about what could and couldn't be accomplished.
Right now, if the WGA board accepts the deal, I'm told that the Back 9 of most scripted TV series could be saved along with a no-frills pilot season with less scripted series ordered than ever before. (And expect the upfront presentations to advertisers to consist of a lot more pleading than preening.) Some of the force-majeured deals could be reinstated. (But it's important to remember that three times as many pacts would have been cancelled if the agents and lawyers hadn't lobbied the networks and studios.) Feature films that were halted or thought lost could get going immediately. And, of course, the Oscars could be held. But what happens to all this back-to-work progress if the WGA membership votes down the deal? A bigger mess than even now?
Only the WGA members can decide how much more pain they are willing to endure with no guarantee that whatever is negotiated months from now (alongside SAG) is going to be any better than what has been negotiated now. The one thing this strike has done is to give writers a powerful voice that Hollywood has heard loud and clear. Don't silence the WGA membership at this crucial juncture.


A WGA board member came to our picket line at Paramount this morning to “take a temperature” on whether or not we would approve a deal similar to that of the DGA. It was unanimous among the 12 or so of us there. No we would not accept it. We’d rather take 0% of nothing than $1200 flat. If this deal isn’t much better, we’re in trouble.
If the writers don’t approve a deal that their negotiators & board…people who they’ve been telling us for months are fantastic, and will fight to the bitter end for them, etc…they’re going to go down as the biggest idiots in the history of organized labor.
If you trusted them to take you into a strike, you damn sure should trust them when they say this is a deal you should take.
have you ever actually written on a show that is streaming online? I bet maybe 3 or 4 of you would actually make any money on a show that is streamed online, the fact is that the majority of writers shows aren’t even re-broadcast online.
The “pockets” of screenwriters and show-runners who pressured the guild are, in plain terms, self-centered assholes. They make a lot of money anyway, and the strike, to them, is an inconvenience to their lifestyle. Their pressure has NOTHING to do with what is good for writers in general, and everything to do with what is good for them. Ask yourself this — who are they to put pressure on the guild leadership to close a deal quickly? And don’t they sound like… well, the studios?
To the WGA leadership, I will not approve a deal like the DGA deal. I will not approve a deal that does not have a percentage from the first stream or the first download. The basic idea that when the companies make money the creators and writers should make money seems fair and reasonable and is the only thing I’ll approve.
On January 22nd Zucker said that the strike would be over in 2 weeks. Two weeks later, Chernin is at the SuperBowl saying the strike is over. It’s clear to me that the CEOs want the strike to end now. This is exactly the time to be firm and get what is fair.
I don’t want to strike again in 3 years. I want these issues resolved in this strrike, the strike that I have sacrificed for.
Rolling over now, when we finally have leverage, and taking a crappy deal is the only thing that would ever make me consider going FiCore.
Please leaders, do not piss on my leg and tell me that it’s raining with a deal that resembles the DGA deal.
Fuck it. We’re staying out till June.
I guess all that strike speak about trusting your leadership is all bull, judging from what happy gate picketer just said. I guess the floggings will continue until the AMPTP attitude improves.
Thanks Nikki, this is all very helpful information. It gives us some needed context around all the talk of a deal in the works.
I’m going to read over the proposed deal terms carefully. If the streaming and download provision are not much better than the DGA deal, than I’m going to vote NO.
The great thing about being a writer is that you are by definition an entrepreneur. You create from scratch, and that skill can be translated into many markets.
Like many other writers, the strike forced me to find other sources of income, and then I discovered that my skills were very much in demand outside of the studios. I’m now making more money in other areas — publishing, video games, new media — than I was in Hollywood. So I’m not afraid of standing my ground if the deal isn’t right.
The comment by your agent friend about writers being slaves on a plantation reveals the mindset of this town. No, we are not slaves — we are entrepreneurs and creators who will always find new markets. And the strike has lifted the curtain on the Hollywood moguls and revealed that the great and powerful Oz is a humbug.
So I say to the studios — bring it on, baby. You aren’t going to ram a deal down my throat, as I can weather this storm indefinitely. Other industries are paying me well for my services, so I don’t need Hollywood charity. And I’m not alone.
Wow. I hope you are feeling as well as you “sound”, Ms. Finke!
Thank you for the update I’ve so thirsted for. You’ve been amazing through this Labor Action, and I hope that you will soon be able to take a much-deserved vacation.
Regarding the news; I’m just going to hope for the best and remain prepared for the worst… and wish everyone well.
I find it ridiculous hyperbole to suggest that these pockets of writers could “blow up the Guild” by expressing their impatience in public. They’d be more likely to blow up their own reputations and standing in the writers community.
“Different dissident factions”. Let me correct the spelling on that:
“Overpaid douchebags prepared to throw their underpaid brethren under the bus so they can afford to renovate their houses in Malibu.”
I hope their houses burn down.
Agreed – if this deal isn’t much better than the DGA deal, then I don’t think it’ll pass with the members I’ve spoken with. Not unless there is also a percentage of ad revenue built it to increase that number with viewership – members I know can’t see accepting a deal that does not include sharing the revenue because they see it as a no brainer. they tell me, “If the studios get paid, we want to get paid.” That see it as perfectly fair. And these are not stupid people I’ve been talking with – these are writers of seriously successful shows.
I don’t know if you have enough time to do a full membership vote before you call off the strike and still save the Oscars- if you get everything on paper say by Friday, can they get a vote ready and certified in time?
This is probably now a question of “who loses the least”, not “who wins”…no way any of the dramas get all the back 9 this season, probably not a lot of the sitcoms either (I’m thinking more of the 4-6 ep range from Mid-April through May Sweeps- and that’s only if the writers start back early next week)
I have been a guild member for over twenty five years, I know a ton of “big” screenwriters and show runners and I have yet to talk to ONE who says he or she has put pressure on the Guild to accept the DGA deal. Moreover, I have yet to see ANYONE in the media (Nikki included) NAME ONE WRITER who has “pressured” the Guild to accept the DGA deal. So, come on, Nikki, give us ONE name, as opposed to just parroting the anonymous party line that most likely emanated from the wish-fullfilment section of the AMPTP.
Not good enough, not nearly. This isn’t what we went out on strike for.
Thank you Nikki. Very eloquently put. I hope people don’t build themselves into an anger filled lather before even seeing the document.
The decision needs to be made analytically, note laced by stress created negative emotion.
Thank you for the update Nikki.
Dear “Happy Gate Picketer” –
You mean a board member surveyed all 7 people who were still out picketing today – as opposed to the thousands of WGA members that stayed home and can’t wait for it to be over? God, I’m glad you don’t work for Zogby. Any deal that Patric, David, and John recommend will be ratified by overwhelming numbers. Anyone willing to vote it down is someone addicted to striking…
Hey you chicken shit “powerful showrunners and screenwriters” show yourselves!
There must be a guild vote before the strike is called off. A handful of people DO NOT get to bully the rest of us into a crappy deal.
I voted no on the strike authorization as did virtually every guild member I know (somehow that 90% solidarity seemed a bit inflated) but I’ll be damned if I vote for a crappy deal after the hell Verrone has put us through. The guy is a nightmare and when this is all over I will personally be leading a recall election to get him out of office — his desire to strike before negotiations began coupled with his having to have the last childish word whenever the AMPTP makes a benign comment just makes me sick. I liken this strike to the war in Iraq — a stupid government got us into this fight with outdated information, yet I feel like I have to support the troops (a.k.a. my fellow writers.)
Happy Gate Picketer,
I’m glad you’re still walking and all that, but a lot of people aren’t. You can probably guess how they’re going to vote.
I’m voting NO! unless it’s a much better deal than what the DGA got… We weren’t picketing the last three months, so we could just get crumbs!…
Stay strong!
Most of you can write…can any of you read??
“BACK OFF”!!!
If the members reject a deal their leadership encourages them to take
they are more foolish and hateable than they already are. This strike
has damaged the industry, made the rich richer and damaged the below the line crews for nothing. Stop punishing the people who realize the vision and get back to work, douchebags.
Bowman’s letter seems reasonable. Every writer I know is happy to give up something if we get something in return. No one is expecting a perfect deal, just a reasonable one that allows the profession of Hollywood writer to still exist for us and the following generations (meaning it being able to survive in downtimes through residual payments, being able to have a pension, and having health insurance.)
As what Bowman says is reasonable, let’s listen to what the leadership has to tell us, go to the big meeting, and THEN start posting crazy “make a deal now” and “never say die” comments. I know asking a bunch of posters on an Internet message board to wait and see is probably naive, but maybe we should this time?
Just so you guys know, I’m in no hurry at all for this to get resolved. The longer the strike lasts, the longer I get to stay on the island! Oh, and Jack can go jump off a cliff, for all I’m concerned…
I’m at my wit’s end with this strike. I’m voting to accept, regardless of what comes through, even if its the exact same as the DGA deal. I just want to work again.
Why do these idiots really think anyone would be content with a flate rate? If I CREATE something from scratch, you goddamned better believe I want to participate in its success.
Okay. Chill. We don’t know much, in fact very little. We entrusted our leadership to do right by us, let’s let ‘em. That, and this isn’t just about this season, this year. Don’t be so damn short-sighted. This is about setting precedent for three years from now, thirty years from now. Producer’s Gross is HUGE! The strength of our Guild is magnificent. We got a group of multi-national conglomerates to GIVE UP MONEY! That, in itself, is a victory. We have made a name for ourselves and our voices have been heard! Now, be rational – reasonable. This…this possible victory is saved us from being eaten by the machine. Don’t blow it in the home stretch.
patcracks,
I write for a how that is streamed online. There are millions of full episodes streams viewed every month. The TV broadcasts run commercial-free. The streamed version contains commercials. It’s an entirely new revenue source for the show.
I have to agree with what some of the actual Writers have said, that is exactly the same vibe I’m getting.
Correct me if I’m wrong but Internet Ad revenues are 40 Billion this year and expected to double in three years. Writers know this too…
If the deal offered is similar to the DGA platform with a small EST kicker and the same shut out window for promotional use, I know many Writers won’t go for it. Writers want a decent EST number based on percentage NOW so we don’t have to go through this again in three years.
Time will soon be on our side…
With the SAG Expiration looming, it may, I repeat, may be better to simply wait a little longer to secure a better deal if this seems lacking. It seems like our Negs need more leverage based on their comments… and they still have more to work out…
What’s more, once Allen and Doug (SAG) crunch the numbers as to how it may play out for them, we should get a better idea of where they stand… and if it doesn’t look that great, they will be front and center explaining why.
Residuals mean everything… for us and them.
The only good news is knowing SAG has our backs now and neither of us will be bullied into a “take or leave it” deal offer. This tactic of demanding WGA Negs suspend the Strike if they support the offer before Members ratify any deal is more bullying to me.
Bottom Line: June looms…
Hey “Screenvet” – “Fuck it. We’re staying out until June.” Thanks. That’s helpful, especially to those of us writers who actually work, in both features and television, and who would like to get back to it. Here’s the thing – it’s not going to be until June. That’s just when SAG’s contract is up. Then if they strike, it will last until October or November at the earliest. That’s a full year of being out of work. Houses lost. Children pulled out of schools. A shitstorm. And for what? A deal that will probably not be better than this one.
I say probably because WE HAVEN’T SEEN THIS DEAL YET. In fact, Nikki, I have to say I find it pretty disingenuous to write a long-winded post about the deal and how we’ve arrived at it and how childish the AMPTP has been (granted, they certainly have been) and then end it by saying “So everyone back off and let the WGA do their job.” Perhaps you and others in the media should back off and not fan the flames of zealotry by posting things leaked by anonymous sources.
I voted yes for the strike authorization. Virtually every writer I know did, in contrast to what “Tad Bitter” wrote. I didn’t want to go on strike, but if you vote “no” you’re signalling that you’ll accept whatever crap the AMPTP offers. Having said that – I desperately would like this strike to be over, as would every writer I know. And I have to think, if this deal is somewhat better than the DGA’s deal in areas that we care about, that it will be approved by the membership. In any event, all I’m saying is, wait to hear what the deal is before you start slinging shit at it. This is not a game anymore – this is people’s careers and lives.
Variety is saying: “In the area of web streaming, the DGA pact calls for helmers to be paid a fixed residual for the first year that a program or movie is offered for streaming (after a 17- to 24-day window of free usage for promotional purposes). For the second year and beyond that a program is made available for streaming, the fee in the DGA pact shifts to 2% of the distributor’s gross.
The proposed deal for the WGA is the same as the DGA terms for the first two years of the WGA contract. But starting in the third year of the WGA contract, the formula would change to give writers a fixed percentage of distributor’s gross (believed to be 2%) from the get-go after the promotional window ends, rather than a fixed residual for the first year of streaming availability.”
http://www.variety.com/article/VR111…ryId=2821&cs=1
To me, while the DGA deal has some bad numbers, the biggest problem — a real “strike issue” — is the cap on residuals for Internet streaming. As more traditional re-use (reruns, foreign, etc.) is replaced with ad-supported streaming, any capped residual would eventually result in a rollback, even if that day has not yet come.
I was prepared to vote against any deal with a capped residual for streaming, because I don’t want to have to strike again in three years. I let the leadership know that. This is an interesting middle ground, which at least protects our future. I will give it some serious consideration, especially if the guild got some other improvements on the DGA deal.
As soon as Nick Counter gets back from Africa and all the tremendous work he’s been doing with Mountain Gorillas, we’ll see what’s what.
http://nickcounterfanclub.blogspot.com/
I have followed all the strike coverage from the beginning, but I have not commented until now.
What is lost in all this discussion of Writers vs. Studio/Networks is the thousands of people who are effected by the strike who are not writers, actors, directors or moguls. The many creative people who do not receive residuals of any kind (i.e. DP’s, Production Designers, Editors, Sound Designers, etc.) or the rest of the supposedly non creative people who support the whole machinery have been given only lip service by everyone. These noncreative people don’t care that that Writers are used to residuals, for in their lives if they don’t work, they don’t get paid.
The writers are not striking in a vacuum. The MultiNational CEO’s are expected to be greedy bastards, and have proven it time and again. They are interested in their stock price and profits, not in anyone who works in the businesses they rule. On behalf of the people who will lose their houses or have their lives upended by a strike that they will NEVER benefit from, it is time for the SELFISHNESS to end.
Those of us non-writers who initially supported the Writer’s in their endeavor, have grown weary of watching our co-workers and colleagues endure unemployment, uncertainty and stress that cannot be mended. I remain optimistic that a settlement can be reached soon, but fear if no deal is brokered soon that the strike will extend to fall.
Surely the writers can see that if no deal is forthcoming, the entire narrative in the public arena will change. The Writers have had much support within and outside the industry. The story goes like this: The Writers are Creative Davids standing up to the Goliath’s in suits. IF the WGA fails to make a deal now and the strike drags on for months longer, the writer’s will lose their support not just within their own organization. The narrative will change to something like: Writer’s were not Davids and never were David. They were just bad negotiators. They fooled us with their storytelling abilities. I have already begun to hear this story developing. There is real anger brewing in the industry against the Writers.
I have no conclusion because this whole discussion will not be decided by anyone who gives a shit about the rest of us.
to “long time writer” –
“I have yet to talk to ONE [writer] who says he or she has put pressure on the Guild to accept the DGA deal.” Really? Maybe you haven’t talked to them, but how about John Wells and Craig Mazin.
That’s two.
“have you ever actually written on a show that is streaming online? I bet maybe 3 or 4 of you would actually make any money on a show that is streamed online, the fact is that the majority of writers shows aren’t even re-broadcast online.”
Yes, I write for a show (Family Guy) that is streaming online, and making plenty of money for Fox.
And unless and until Fox and the other studios agree to a deal that’d pay writers a fair fraction of the profits they’re earning off my show (and others), I’ll keep doing what I’ve been doing every weekday for the past 3+ months: walking the picket line.
Patrick Meighan
Culver City, CA
I desperately want to get back to work, but after all of this, I’m sure as hell not going to vote for a warmed-over version of the DGA deal. It’s got to at least close the free-viewing window, get streaming residuals paid on a sliding scale, and close the jurisdictional minimum loopholes. The idea that we’ve shown that we’d be willing to strike again in 3 years is ridiculous. What we take now, we’re going to be stuck with.
Given that all the leaks about the strike being “over” are coming from the studios and the media, which has barely covered the strike at all, is suddenly trumpeting this deal from the highest mountain fills me with a great amount of suspicion. Feels to me like a set-up for smashing disappointment and an attempt to pressure us into accepting this before we even know what it is. Hope they prove me wrong.
BTW, Tad, I’d love to see some of the “benign” statements the AMPTP issued during all this that Verrone took issue with. I do not think the word “benign” is in their playbook…
Nikki — I don’t understand what you mean by saying “Don’t silence them at this critical juncture.” Who would be silencing whom? But that’s not why I called.
Listen up, everyone: Today’s deal/this week’s deal is, with window-dressing, the DGA deal. The WGA will never ever get a better deal than the DGA. That’s been true for 50 or so years, and it will be true when the dust settles.
So, if you writers don’t get us back to work and soon, as in now, we — individually and as an industry — are in trouble — or at the very least, at the edge of a new absyss — got your bungee cord? Do you think any of the networks or studios will regret a truncated (as in “no”) pilot season? Doesn’t mean they won’t make a few high-probability pilot/series commitments with, uh lemme see, uh probably the guys who are already showrunners and living in $4 million houses on the Westside. The rest of you — still happy you walked the picket lines? Ah, but look at the upside: remind me — how many dollars per second of ad-supported internet streaming are you going to get for every 2 minutes of your script streamed over my computer? How much? Wow. Tick tick tick.
One sidenote: Thanks to Gil Cates for creating the “informal talks” Trojan horse which when used by the WGA “leadership” enabled them to get in the room with the studios. If the AMPTP is giving the WGA this face-saving cover, do you think in a million years it’s also going to give them a deal that’s in any way better than the DGA’s?
Here’s the part I just don’t get… Holding out for a better deal than DGA would make all the sense in the world if the strike was about something REAL. At present the BANDWIDTH for steaming and downloads is already so overtaxed that the cable dudes are restricting subscribers who regularly stream or download what they consider to be too much content.. So this is all about money that can’t really be made until Internet 2.0. At least five years from now
If this strike really lasts until June, do you realize how many people’s lives and careers will be destroyed forever? This is what I’m talking about! Why can you people not understand what you’re doing here?
At least Happy Gate Picketer is still walking, and so am I.
I’m in no way predisposed to vote against a deal I still haven’t seen, but even if I were, Writer (if that’s your real name), that’s no worse than failing to show up and picket during this crucial time when your Guild leadership is imploring you to do so.
Let’s keep going, and hopefully we can have a deal shortly!
I talked to a showrunner – whom I will not out – who signed that letter that went to WGA mgmt pressuring them. Someone must have access to it.. It does exist.
I think if the deal is bad, and WGA accepts then they will lose the respect of many of their supporters, including me.
victoria
okay, i’m still out there. not every day. not for three hours at a time. but i still go because i still largely believe in what we’re fighting for.
but… every single person that i’ve talked to on the line is ready for this to be OVER. we’re not going to get everything we want. i’m not willing to sit out for another 6 months for get a slightly better percentage than what we’re being offered now. it’s the diehards that are posting on here, and it’s the diehards that are willing to stick this out until the entire town goes to hell. the rest of us… the WORKING writers know that we’re getting fucked. but if we’re gonna get fucked anyway, let’s get fucked now, and get it over with. hell, i sort of understand the whole iger philosophy of not letting the guild membership vote on the deal. there are plenty of people out there who would rather be striking writers than unemployed writers. me, i just want to get back to work. enough is enough.
So Verrone is caving because 30 douchebag “moderates” threatened to go public and undermine his leadership? Then what’s he gonna do when THREE THOUSAND writers go public with their anger toward him for making us walk in circles three months for a shitty deal?
Leaders, do not sell us out! We get to vote on this!!!
“One source claimed that the WGA’s numbers were “quadruple” what was really the truth.” You know the first thing lost is war is the truth. If this was your information, that you went to war with, I’m sorry your a bunch stupid losers. An informed decision has to be based on facts. If your facts were wrong as the statement implies and you get a slightly better deal than the DGA you had better take it. There won’t be a better one.
From what I’ve heard so far, this streaming deal is DVD 2.
Aside from those 30 self-hating moderates, who exactly is going to vote YES for that?
This whole thing sucks on so many levels I can’t even come up with a snarky comment. Snark amongst yourselves.
You guys, please stop with the strike. Enough.
I guess it’s easier to tell your neighbors and family that you’re not working because you’re on strike. Showrunners pay the guild’s bills. Remember that. They want a good deal too.
It is ridiculous that some folks who were so in love with the guild leadership before are now saying they will vote down a deal that the leadership is going to recommend.
They have made the best possible deal they can without blowing this town up. It’s called being practical. I’ve picketed every damn day and I’ll keep picketing until this thing is officially over. But some of my fellow members… well they’re either delusional or they’ve got nothing to lose.
Go ahead. Vote no and have your fun. You’ll be destroying the guild in the process.
I’m concerned with the deal made regarding creating original material for new media. I’ve heard that it’s $15,000 per minute and anything less is not under WGA jurisdiction, which is very disappointing. It’s not that expensive to make short form programming… so if we accept this, we’d won’t be able to write for new media unless we do non-union work. Sorry, but that sucks.
An awards show is no reason to speed this up and make a deal. An awards show is no reason to rush into a crappy future. The Oscars are ONE NIGHT. The possible loss of an awards show shouldn’t even be considered in whether or not we take a deal. Who fucking cares about the Oscars when we’re talking about being destitute at fifty. That’s what young writers will be when they’re aged out without residuals.
WISE UP, PEOPLE!
Oh and why would our leadership be so candy-assed to let a few show runners/screenwriters to hold them over a barrel? If that’s even true? Nikki, who are these people? You must know if you’re writing this.
If SAG doesn’t like the deal there’s no point in the WGA approving it. A SAG strike will shut down the industry again in June anyway. We might as well stay out on strike and see if we can get a better deal with SAG six months or so from now. Maybe by September the studios will be ready to negotiate a fair agreement.
I was optimistic (I know, I know) that the involvement of the CEO’s would lead to a fair offer, but I’m not encouraged by this post about “lowering our expectations.” The DGA deal is horrible, and most of the membership who e-mailed the NegCom said as much. So I also find it hard to buy that Patrick/David/John capitulated to those awful terms after three months of striking with the mantra that “they get paid, we get paid.” But cool heads need to prevail, so let’s wait and see what the offer looks like before we burn cars in the streets. But I can say that I will definitely vote NO to any offer where the $1,200 flat or anything close to it still stands. We’ve been bullied too much to gift wrap the Oscars and cave to the same DGA-dictated pattern bargaining we vowed to break. Unfortunately, a joint WGA/SAG might be necessary. Don’t forget, gang, our demands are reasonable.
The one thing this strike has done is to give writers a powerful voice that Hollywood has heard loud and clear.
I disagree. My evidence is this:
…the big-time agent who described the TV showrunners as “the plantation owners” vs the TV writers who worked for them as “the cotton-pickers who should just damn well be grateful they have health and pension and get back to work already”.
We might get a better deal, but we will never get respect.
Seriously, it seems like everyone here is bound and determined to stay out on strike regardless of what’s presented. NOBODY here knows anything about what has been negotiated. Would it hurt to stop with the conjecture and give Verone, Bowman and Young a chance to present the terms before everyone assumes that it’ll suck? All the vitriol speaks volumes about your faith in the negotiation team(or lack thereof). Does anyone here really think it’s productive to shit all over a deal they know nothing about? You all know that the studios troll this site to gauge the vibe of the writers and plant garbage. What do you think your posts are saying to them now? I read them and think you have completely lost faith in Verone et al. PLEASE!! Listen to Nikki and just settle down and wait for an official announcement. Personlly, I find it hard to believe that anything the leadership might present would be a carbon copy of the DGA deal when they know full well that it was pretty soundly panned. I have to believe that whatever the breakthrough was, it’s going to be a big step in the right direction. And in a negotiation, you are going to have to meet somewhere in the middle. Again I plead with you all to wait to go nuclear until you know what the terms really are. Statements like “Fuck it, we’re staying out til June” are so irresponsible.
“I personally know so many scribes who find themselves working one year, begging for work the next two, and afraid that as they get older they won’t have staying power in the scribbling business.”
This is the basic problem with unions: they actively fight market forces and promote oversaturation of the workforce. In the non-union world, when you don’t work for two years, you find something else to do. Actually, that is not true. It usually doesn’t take that long to figure out that maybe it is time to try something else.
The fact is that there are too many of you competing for too few jobs. If you haven’t worked in two years, maybe it’s time for a new career.
By the way, who is going to pay for all of these contracts when everyone is just fast forwarding through those commercials that are paying the bills?
To any writer who is even tempted to “blow up the guild”: go back and read John Ridley’s nonsense in the LA Times. Do you really want to be connected in any way to this idiot? Among other things, he actually blames the guild – a union! – for ignoring the diversity issue! So now he’s essentially the poster boy for fi-core. If that doesn’t encourage loyalty to the cause, nothing will.
No Verrone is “caving” because if those 30 or so showrunners go back…the WGA loses…period.
It is a repeat of 88, the union comes close to blowing up, television returns to normal, and the union begins to split. That is just a fact.
As an agent you hear both sides of the story out there, not just those filtered on the picket lines or from United Hollywood. Even though most people within the Hollywood system appreciate what it is you want and deserve, there is a cold, hard reality when dealing with conglomerates like these. The show runners don’t want to lose their shows, and since they can negotiate better deals individually then with the MBA they could give two shits about a $1200 flat rate since it will never affect them.
Slowly but surely the writers are losing the internal PR war of the industry. A rejection of the forthcoming deal would turn into an all out war against the writers, and those who are in your corner now will soon reject what it is you want and go into survival mode.
There are some of you that could give two shits about other execs, agents, producers, grips, etc…, but contrary to belief on these boards, the world doesn’t revolve around the writer.
It is one thing to reject the deal based on its merits, it is another thing to just say fuck-all to the industry at large and reject it because you aren’t getting everything you want. This is a negotiation, not a poker game.
Most of you on this board need to grow up.
writers!!! i am a trickle down person who called all my credit card companies yesterday to try and plug up the hole of loss, and i have something to say to you…YOU have every right to do what you are doing and i support what YOU are doing, YET, there are thousands of us out here who are on the sidelines with our business who lives are such a mess because of what you are doing…YES, YES, YES, it’s time for you to get respect and money YES…but what about us? we don’t get residuals, when this is over all we get t is bad credit, lost homes, debts!!!!!!! in your struggle THINK about all of us who support YOU even at our loss…a loss we will never get back..i for one am having to borrow money to pay the rent…and I for one will not benefit from any of this…i get nothing……good luck…
JZ,
For your information, there were 12 people at my gate, and they are the same 12 people that have been out there with me since day 1 of this thing. No more and no less. So if you weren’t out there today, I have no reason to believe you were ever out there doing your part. And for that reason, I’m not that concerned with your opinion, because it’s doubtful that you’ll even get off your lazy ass to vote.
If you really wanted this thing over, you’d be putting the pressure on at the picket lines. Now is the most important time to show up.
And for those of you that keep saying you and everyone you know wants the strike to be over… DUH! I don’t know anyone who is hoping for this to continue. But bending over and taking whatever is offered is going to hurt everyone more in the long-run. Being on strike for a couple more months would do far less damage (to everyone including those BTL – like me) than if we had to do this whole thing again in 3 years. And I can guarantee that this will be resolved before June. The AMPTP will do everything in their power to keep SAG from striking, including (wait for it…) the right thing.
Attention fellow WGA members: What the Guild leadership is engaging in now is called LOWERING YOUR EXPECTATIONS. That’s right, listen up y’all: the grapevine says it’s such a bad deal that the board and the membership might even reject what those once-crazy militants Verrone and Young are now trying to sell us.
You get it? This way when we finally hear the bullet points, and see the bone the studios tossed us, we say, oh, that’s not as bad a deal as I thought it would be. The Guild lawyers do this to writers all the time with arbitrations. They say stuff like, “Well, if I could get you fifty thousand would that be okay?” knowing that they already have an offer from the other side for 125K. Sure it’s immoral, but the Guild lawyers suck. My point is: it’s already part of the Guild’s playbook. They’ve done it to writers before and they’re doing it again.
So let’s wait and see what the deal is. There’s gonna be a bone in there that the studios aren’t leaking because they want the writers to be surprised and vote yes. Is the bone reality TV? Is the bone a shorter promotional window? We’ll know soon enough.
“BACK OFF”???
I never figured Nikki as one to get her rallying cry from a Yosemite Sam mud flap.
When I explained to my wife and members of my family what is going on with the strike and how it’s rumored we may be offered a deal that is not going to give us ultimately what we’ve been striking for, they all advised me to vote against it.
When you explain what we’re striking for to most people they understand it and they side with the writers.
If the general public hears that the writers have been offered nothing in return for their striking, they will understand and support any strike that continues.
They know the studios are being greedy. They want to see the little guy (i.e. WGA members) win here.
That’s why I’m not concerned with any public perception shifting against us if we somehow pass on the deal.
I don’t think it’s outlandish to say that if we don’t hang in and fight for what we’ve been fighting for, in 3 years we’re all going to be on strike again.
I don’t want to put my family through this again in 3 years. I’d rather hold strong and fight for what is right now than cave in.
As for these high powered screenwriters and show runners who are trying to muscle the process, it won’t work. If the deal is garbage, it will get voted down.
Just seeing Patrick from Family Guy’s post above shows how serious the issues are to most of us who are working and creating content for the studios.
I’m hoping what’s presented to us this weekend is a big step up. They can dress it up and spin it to us any way they want, but if it’s not a good deal we should vote against it. Everyone knows this in their hearts.
I know too there are a lot of writers who are guild members that feel more justified as “striking” writers than unemployed writers. However, I don’t think there’s enough of them to sandbag a fair deal if it’s offered.
No matter what, we don’t stop striking until everything is signed, sealed and delivered. For us to stop picketing before we have an actual deal in place is idiotic.
I don’t care about the Oscars and the glitz and glamor and pageantry of the event.
Make them sweat about their Oscars if need be.
I care about going back to work knowing we fought for something meaningful in the end.
Hopefully, the studios realize that if we were serious enough to strike 3+ months, we’re serious enough to keep striking if they don’t play fair and give us what we’re asking for which is hardly unreasonable.
I want and need this to end, but don’t test us AMPTP. I don’t think you’ll like the outcome.
Sorry to post again, but let me just be clear: if my fellow WGA members do not vote to accept whatever deal is proposed, I will hate you. I don’t use that term lightly, but that’s what it’s come down to. It’s greed and pettiness all around. I need to work, and I’m much rather have something coming in than nothing.
Would I like to make tons of money off of streaming and downloads? Sure. Am I willing to risk everything I have right now in the off-chance that I might actually some day see some real money from streaming? No way. Be realistic, and look around you at what impact what we’re doing is having on not only us, but plenty of non-union people who don’t even have a dog in this fight. It’s just not right anymore.
I do know some of the showrunners and A-listers who’ve been pressuring our leadership to take the DGA deal (sadly, a few of them are actively undercutting Bowman et al while sitting on the Negotiating Committee). My sense is some in this group are thoughtful people, honestly trying to do the right thing. Some are simply putting self-interest (saving their series, or big movie) ahead of group interest. A few are not moderates, but Tories — millionaires with a bad case of acquired narcissism who think their needs, “relationships”, or insight trumps the collected wisdom of ten thousand guild members. All are a long long way from worrying about residual checks.
The members on the line are suffering far more than any of those who seek to break the line, yet we are somehow holding strong. If this so-called “dirty-thirty” follows through on their threat to take out ads in Variety, or otherwise act out even more than they have, they will not split the union apart, they will instead bring shame onto themselves.
The rank and file, and most showrunners, have faith in our leadership, not our former leadership, nor a self-appointed group of wanna be powerbrokers. We will know a good deal when we see it, and we know we haven’t seen it yet.
– Keep walking, keep talking.
1. Today there were 700 people out picketing at Fox studio alone. Everybody is sick of this, but nobody wants a bad deal.
2. There are not 300 dissident “showrunners and important screen writers.” There are maybe 30, if that. And so what? There are thousands of writers in the writers’ guild, and they will make up their own minds.
3. Let the board tell us what the deal is before we start having a shit fit about whether we’re voting for it or not. That will happen this weekend. We need to stay calm, stay strong, listen carefully and talk about this clearly, without hysteria.
To Just Askin. Verrone didn’t make you walk. You voted to.
I’m not a writer. I won’t get in the middle of a battle, but for those of you who write and create the shows that I love, thank you. Without you guys, from the low guy on the totem pole to the big dog on the porch, there would be no shows for us to tune into each week. You are so talented and creative.
I know that many of you never hear a thank you from the fans of a show because the actors get the accolades; however, without all of you. I do mean ALL. All we, the fans, would have is actors standing in the middle of an empty building staring at the walls.
I know that mere words and sentences do nothing for your finances. I can’t help that, but you do have my support. Whatever happens, however it happens, I hope that you all get the pay that you deserve and that your families don’t suffer much longer. I can’t begin to understand the hardships many of you are suffering through; however, please know that there are fans out there that care and that are behind you 100%.
I’m a re-recording mixer. My shows have dried up. My wife is pregnant. Our first child, Samantha is due in June. She will be born homeless if you guys don’t get it together by Feb 15th; that’s when sets get struck and the back 9 goes away along with pilots. You should have negotiated from the start and waited for SAG to strike. You have now wasted a season of work and risk yet another. Find some middle ground and stop the grandstanding. Yes the corporations are greedy, it sucks, it will always be true…. but the WGA is destroying lives now who have no power to influence the situation. Take a medium sized deal and get back to work! Then when the next contract comes around, how about talking it out a little before striking on hour 1. That was blowing it! I implore you guys! Let cooler heads prevail!
This is bs. We can’t go on strike, then accept a lousy deal with the understanding that we’ll have to do it all again in 3 years. The people who are whining about it now won’t be any more supportive or understand the issues involved any better in 3 years, believe me. And there’s no real point in walking in 3 years if we’re just going to end up taking the same unacceptable deal we could have gotten without going out then, too. The deal we take now is THE deal, it will never be substantially adjusted any more than VHS or DVDs have been, and as soon as the technology is in place, Game Over. Call me cynical, but I don’t believe that the moguls are aw-shucks astonished that nobody trusts them when their goal is to eliminate the residual system, either.
You creative type writers need to agree to a deal. There are a lot of pissed off crew people waiting to set up your chair, hang huge rigs over your head, or watch your car. Your WGA leaders may have convinced you that striking is great. They are idiots. You’re not going to get everything you want. If you don’t work, you don’t get paid. Either does anyone else in the business. Thanks for screwing all of us.
“The basic idea that when the companies make money the creators and writers should make money seems fair and reasonable and is the only thing I’ll approve.”
That’s absolutely fair and reasonable, I agree. But these are giant media conglomerates with an eye forever glued to the bottom line. Do you think they became what they are by being fair and reasonable?? They’re money-hungry plutocrats. What makes anyone think fairness is a factor for them?
Yes, it’s cynical, but it’s true. Do we deserve more than the DGA deal? Absolutely! We deserve well more than what we’ll ever get. But to these diehards to vow to strike until we get what’s “fair”– it’s never, ever going to happen. We went in to the negotiation wanting new media to be fair. They want it to be free. We have to meet in the middle. It will be more than what they want to give; less than what we want to take. And it won’t be fair.
We have to decide when we can get the best (albeit unfair) deal. I think that’s right now– when the other side still has this season, pilot season, and the Oscars to salvage. If we ruin all of those, what’s their motivation to get this settled? And how desperate does that leave all of us, our crews, etc. when it drags on indefinitely?
bitch bitch bitch whine whine whine. Without us there is nothing. We can strike for ever because most of us are not being financially hurt by this strike. We are just going to hold the btl’s hostage as long as we see fit, because our problems are so much more important than anyone else’s.
We have been dying to go on strike all year because we don’t know how to negotiate. wah wah wah.
“After all, everyone was making it seem like the shitty DGA deal was the only possible deal available to the writers.”..Come on already Nikki..To continue to disparage the DGA deal is not only self-serving and inflamatory, but it is getting old. And by the way, why did it take so long for the WGA to realize that they needed a grown-up like Alan Wertheimer in the room with them (who is excellent, by the way) to help make a real deal?? The DGA has Jay Roth, a VERY experienced lawyer who was instrumental in making the deal for the DGA. It is still unbelievable to me that the WGA waited THIS long to have a REAL negotiator have them see what can really be acomplished. It’s about time…Lets ALL get back to work.
I am not on the line because I am working in another field. I took that job so that I could strike as long as it takes to get a fair deal that secures my future and that of future generations.
I do not want to have not been working an outside job and cutting my expenses to the bone, just to have that foul DGA deal put in front of me.
This is the first real offer that the AMPTP has made (given that the 2nd half of the New Economic Partnership never materialized as promised). The first offer is never good for the other party.
Patrick Meighan symbolizes all the losers out there when he calls FAMILY GUY his show. It is NOT his show. It is owned by the people who pay him to write for it. If they were smart they would find someone who appreciates the job.
To the many writers on this blog who are sick and tired of the strike and on behalf of fellow Below the Line posters who are in dire financial straits, I can’t add anything. I rest my case.
Whatever deal writers get with this strike, there are
lots of people laid off who benefit nothing from the strike.
I agree the studios are greedy assholes, but writers are not much different from them.
I was on writers’ side before, but not anymore.
Every writer I know has sacrificed a great deal during this strike, and willingly. Every writer I know would rather stay out than take the wrong deal. Every writer I know will be outraged if this strike were to end merely upon the vote of the WGA board, with the full membership being bypassed. NO DEAL WITHOUT A MEMBERSHIP VOTE. It’s a democratic union.
Nikki,
you do know how to stir them up but good.
Ok now lets see the writers that are saying no way I want to get what I want do they make a living as writers? im betting most are want to be writers that have a job out side this ind. they have a job they pay there bills they are not worried about losing there homes.
Remember writers get paid to come up with a script that is good and they get paid for doing that. when it gets aired they get paid when it is rerun they get paid and now with the new media they will get paid again.
lets see the studios hired the writers to do a job. They sold the idea to a backer got a crew and paid them and for getting the show made edited and out the the public.
How much $ did they spend to make $???
How much did the writer or anyone else spend or help get the show out to the public? NONE
so yes the studio makes $ maybe to much but unless writers want to go out and get backers and get the shows made and out to the public they are getting a fair rate of pay.
Lets just get this town back to work before everyone really starts to hate writers more then they are now for this.
Oh yes the the leaders of WGA who said we want all the reality writers to be WGA many weeks ago and said they would not budge on that took that off the table 80+ days later. so what good is the leadership if they demand stuff then see they made a BIG MISTAKE after they see the writers have lost more by going out this long then if they would of not put that lame ass shit on the table and just worked a deal for new media.
So if the leaders of the WGA say this is the best deal and you so called writers (that dont make a living doing this fine craft) vote it down you will start to see how much this town and the world will hate you!
Nikki im sure you wont post this as you are so pro WGA and can not see how the crews really feel about this !
We just want it too end and not lose everything we have worked for all these years. We want to go back to WORK NOW!
A upset crew member
Pathetic how all you completely bash a deal you know nothing about. This further proves you don’t deserve my support anymore. If this is at all reasonable (you got most of the principles you went on strike for right in the DGA deal, just not the numbers you wanted to see) and the jerk hardliners win the day then the guild will become quickly circumvented, hated, and irrelevant.
PJ – Writer makes an excellent point. A de facto SAG strike against feature production begins around March 1 if the moguls think SAG likely to walk when their contract is up. That would be less than four weeks away, and from what I can tell, SAG leadership is in a pretty militant mood (you listening up, AFTRA???).
Writers don’t have to settle for a lousy deal, and shouldn’t take one out of fear or intimidation or the anonymous alleged rumblings of a small group within the WGA. And frankly, thinking back to Paul Haggis’ missive on United Hollywood a couple of weeks ago, I’m more than tempted to call bullshit on this.
I’ve carried a SAG solidarity sign with the writers, and the last time I spoke to a strike captain – within the past week – about the kinds of pressures the WGA negotiators are under, he was quick to point out that a LOT of writers are pressuring them to not take a lousy deal because it will get voted down.
If the deal ain’t no damn good, just hang tough for a few more weeks, and for all intents and purposes, the AMPTP will be negotiating with two guilds at the same time.
First of all – showrunners make their real $$ as producers – not writers – those producing fees do not go towards supporting the guild. Showrunners interests are aligned with management – only those that remember they started as writers – and have affinity and loyalty towards the writers who work for them- can be trusted to support what the wga is striking for. The ‘powerful’ showrunners are in fact the studios not so secret stealth weapon. Perhaps in the future there will be a dileniation between those writers functioning as management, and those actually making a living as writers. These ‘300′ that Nikki refers to are not so different from the Jewish capos who were curried favors with the Nazis by helping to manage the slaughter of their Jewish brethren.
This strike needs to end now! ~ 10,000 WGA vs 200,000 non WGA workers are out of work. Yes, the writers are the seed but the studios are the soil. So long as the moguls have the money, they hold the power. They decide what seeds to plant. This is the reality until writers own studios and other platforms. So, make the best deal you can even though it may not be the perfect deal. At this point, we who are not WGA, are finding it hard to be supportive. How can we fight for your future when our futures are hanging in the balance. This strike has to end now!
I say every single person who IS financially hurt by this strike should file a class action lawsuit against the members of the AMPTP and the WGA!
VOTE NO!!
Let them feel the wrath of the writers, and let’s bring the Oscars DOWN!
Walking ’til June,
Stan Renaldi
I don’t believe our leadership is being held over a barrel by anyone, showrunners or otherwise. I believe they’ve recognized we’re at a critical point– we may be closing in on the best deal we’re ever going to get. (No, it’s not the best deal possible, or the deal we deserve, but the best deal we’re ever going to get.)
Interesting, though, that the diehards suddenly know better than the leadership they’ve ardently defended since Day 1.
Nikki, thanks for the update.
At least you aren’t giving details or imploring the writers to accept the DGA deal like the rest of the media. Every other site that I looked at today that had a “negotiations update,” reported information that should remain behind closed doors including content from Variety.
Just remember that Nikki is an insider when it comes to Hollywood and she isn’t reporting any information aside from anything people associated with the moguls or AMPTP tell her. The truth is that the strike will go on longer than this week because some people (read the WGA leadership hopefully) should fall for a demand suspending the strike for a deal that will get rejected, just because Peter Chernin is up for some awards and Bob Iger is broadcasting some ceremony. If negotiations are stopped this time around, almost everybody that has a brain will blame it on both Peter and Bob because they tried to pressure the WGA to accept the DGA deal. After that, this strike will likely head to the halls of congress where the moguls will be raked over hot coals by members of congress who will force them to open the books. Then the WGA will likely get a fair deal, and if it comes during the SAG strike, striking by two guilds will likely be over come the end of July or early August because the AMPTP will be hurting too much and will likely fold under pressure from the public to end the strikes and get people back working. If the WGA does get a fair deal before June, or better than fair deal after Congress is through with the moguls, maybe the WGA can avert an SAG strike.
@ Patrick Meighan
You can watch Family Guy online????
There is no way the SLIGHT gain you might get by not taking this deal is worth all the suffering that me and thousands of people are enduring for your cause. TAKE THE DEAL!!! THIS THING IS OVER.
I’d like to say I’m surprised at the hate filled rants on this board but I’m not. Get a grip people (no pun intended
). We haven’t even seen the deal. It looks like the deal is real but we don’t know what it is. I actually think some “writers” are doing more writing on these boards than when they were “working” and would rather the strike go on forever. I actually do not believe that the vitriolic posters represent the majority of writers so I’m not too worried.
On the Showrunners and their ultimatum. Do you really think they’d admit it to anybody?
Based on Nikki’s post, it would seem that you guys aren’t getting the DGA’s residuals but you’re not going to get what you want either. It will be enough for enough Guild members to approve it and this thing will be over. You guys have to show up in full force this week please. If I were in L.A. right now, I’d join the line, even though I’m a BTLer. This is the end of the battle and you need to stay strong at least until the weekend. A deal will be ready this week or next and the strike will be over. It would be a shame if you didn’t get the best deal or get it as quickly because enough writers were too fed up to picket.
Maybe I missed something, but how long is the residual-free “promotional” window under this proposal? Still 17-24 days, or has that been altered? And does that ridiculously long window get closed in the third year of the contract, when streaming goes to 2 percent of distributors’ gross?
My second question is about the part where Nikki wrote, “At the same time, leaders of different dissident factions within the WGA… approached the guild toppers with an ultimatum (and) declared that they would no longer promise to keep silent if a deal wasn’t done right away.
Then an insider was quoted as saying, “And the guys on the WGA side knew if they didn’t come out with a deal this weekend that Monday was going to be a bad day. They’d been personally told by these different pockets of writers who knew what was going on that they would no longer be supportive and measured. They planned on going public. They planned to blow the guild up.’”
Silent about what? Public with what? Blowing the guild up, what does that even mean? And most important, how does their vote count more than mine?
To all you people already frothing at the mouth about ‘this shitty deal’ and ‘we stay out till June!’- we haven’t even seen the deal yet! What is the matter with you? Go and lie down for a couple of hours. I, meanwhile hereby make a solemn vow to myself to try my best to to stay away from this admittedly addictive but ultimately unhelpful, provocative site. Byee.
Question for those of you already shooting this “deal” down.
Why on earth would you now bail on the leaders that you’ve followed to the edge of the abyss? I mean, really…you elected these people to bring you this strike and this deal. And now when they tell you this is the best deal, you’re going to vote no? And based off a single issue like streaming that didn’t go exactly to your liking?
Bud you don’t even have to address that second part. Just explain to me why these guys that you’ve followed in burning down the town are now idiots that can’t make a fair deal.
Hey,
I heard from someone inside that those 300 screenwriters/showrunners existed last week, and I’ve been trying hard not to believe it. I just hope that if one of them is reading this, he’s voicing his displeasure because he’s getting thrown out of his one-bedroom apartment and his Neon has been repossessed.
Oh, and he’s 26 and looking at 45 more years in the guild. Anyone else is going to have a hard time convincing me that they’ve got any sense of what it means to be a union or give a damn about anyone but yourself.
That said, I agree with these rich people, it is time to make a deal, the best we can and then start saving our money so when the next contract comes up we’re ready to go right back out. And maybe that time they’ll believe us.
There are literally hundreds of showrunners who have vowed to support the guild’s leadership in getting a fair deal – not the DGA deal. I do believe that this small but vocal group of pro-DGA deal showrunners exists, but they are far more outnumbered than anyone is saying. Take from that what you want.
How much more suffering do you want to put people through, folks? It’s very easy to blame the AMPTM for everything — and christ on a crutch, they’re responsible for a lot of this — but if the end is near, your leadership (you know, the ones you’ve praised to the gills even when it’s been clear they were stumbling through this by staging reality rallies on the most important day of negotiations) agrees on a plan and you choke because you think it’s “not fair,” you’re going to have every single person in this town — me included — against you. None of you have actually seen “the deal” and already you’re screaming about it. Meanwhile, all a lot of us get is debt, suffering ulcers and the threat that our jobs won’t even be there after this strike because of downsizing. For people who are so determined to take the long view on Internet downloads and streaming, you sonsabitches sure miss how the short view is killing those who really want to get your backs.
Hey Can’t Take it Anymore -
You will hate me if I don’t take a bad deal? Really? Perhaps you should hate yourself for DOING THE WRONG THING.
Those who walk – those who do not want to take a bad deal – are of two types.
a) The misinformed. They believe that getting a good deal means more money in their pockets. For some of us this might be true, but for the majority, this deal will not mean much. If I’m a successful writer now, then I’ll negotiate my own deal for internet streaming. If I’m not successful now, it won’t make a difference because the networks are not yet making a substantial sum of money from streaming. Therefore, even if the WGA gets a good percentage, the lower-level writer won’t benefit much because the money isn’t there yet. So, if you’re striking because you think it will benefit you in any real way, then you are misinformed. And, yes, you would be selfish in this case.
b) The majority of people (in my opinion) are on strike because we fear for the future of the guild. We fear for future writers and actors. Residuals are what support struggling people in these fields. That’s the deal we have now. That’s how we survive. We are selfish by going back to work. Why? Because then our sons and daughters who become writers will be screwed. It’s about the next generation. And we want to do this, in part, because somebody did it for us!
So, thanks for the hate. But maybe you need to look a little more closely at your motivations before you start scolding other people.
“…it’s the diehards that are posting on here, and it’s the diehards that are willing to stick this out until the entire town goes to hell. the rest of us… the WORKING writers know that we’re getting fucked. but if we’re gonna get fucked anyway, let’s get fucked now, and get it over with.”
Every single WORKING writer on the show that I write for (Family Guy) is willing to stay out as long as it takes to get a fair deal. If that’s one more week, great. If that’s five more months, so be it.
I want this strike to be over as much as anyone. But the primary goal here is to get a fair deal. Without a fair deal, the sacrifices we’ve made over the past 3+ months will have been for nothing. The pain endured by others in this industry will have been for nothing.
I won’t let it be for nothing.
I’m gonna keep on walking the line, every single day, along with thousands of other WORKING writers, until the WGA is given a fair deal.
Patrick Meighan
Culver City, CA
There were 1,333 WGA members on the picket lines Monday, which was an increase from last week. Doesn’t look like writers are staying home, despite the false claims of people on this blog.
I hope that we can settle this strike soon on reasonable terms. But we will not cave to a bad deal, any more than the writers in 1960 caved in when their own leadership was willing to call it a day.
All the hatred for writers expressed by the studios and their shills on this site only strengthens our resolve. We are not striking for “respect” — we know that these people are jealous of storytellers and creators. They will never “respect” us. These leeches will always stew in the envy that comes from lacking our ability to create from scratch. They don’t have that talent and they resent those of us that do.
We are striking for our share of the wealth we create. Without storytellers, this industry would vanish. And those of us who can tell stories would still find employment as novelists, playwrights, journalists, video game writers, new media entrepreneurs. Storytellers have been the heart of human society since the first shamans sat around campfires captivating their tribes with their tales. Writers will always be needed to express a society’s hopes, fears and dreams. If any industry ceases to provide economic value for us, we will find work elsewhere and flourish.
The studios are trying to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs, but they don’t realize the goose will just fly off and give the golden egg to someone else.
I don’t give a shit if Hollywood destroys itself through its own greed and hubris. There will always be someone, somewhere willing to pay me what I ask to tell stories.
Hollywood listen up — YOU NEED US. WE DON’T NEED YOU.
Dear Lord Jesus and Baby Jesus. Please let the people posting on this board not be representative of the WGA membership as a whole. Please let these people have even half a brain and realize that if this, the most militant leadership they’ve ever had, says it’s the best deal they can get, they should probably vote yes.
To Patcracks (Patrick Johnson):
A tiny bit of research disproves your inane assertion that “the majority of writers shows aren’t even re-broadcast online”.
Internet distribution will be the only distribution.
In five years, DVD’s are going to be amusing drink coasters and there will be no distinction between cable and internet — it’ll literally be the same cable. And if we get paid fairly for one but not the other, guess how they’ll categorize reruns.
Click on any of these to see shows that are online right now:
http://www.hulu.com/
http://video.aol.com/
http://www.vudu.com/
also check out
cbs.com, abc.com, nbc.com, etc. etc. etc.
It’s not the future, it’s today. People are getting rich right now. We just want a fair share.
You diehards are pathetic. I hope you are forced to continue picketing until June just to teach you a lesson in group dynamics. Unfortunately this is a democracy and the vast majority of the membership will be voting in favor of this deal whatever the details turn out to be because they are sick and tired of picketing and they just want to return to normalcy.
And as for “These factions, who one source told me total 300 members in all and had been held in check up until then, declared that they would no longer promise to keep silent if a deal wasn’t done right away. They’d been personally told by these different pockets of writers who knew what was going on that they would no longer be supportive and measured. They planned on going public. They planned to blow the guild up.”
That quote is proof positive that Paul Haggis is a liar. He wrote there was such a group. He wrote that there were 30 which was true it turns out there were 300. And make no mistake, if the Board doesn’t vote in favor of whatever Verrone and Young present them with on Friday those 300 show runners will for sure do what they are threatening to do. I wish they’d do it right now. This strike has gone on long enough. Time to go back to work people. Those of you who enjoy striking can channel your energies into volunteering for Obama.
Thanks for another wonderful post, Nikki. Your comment about the MSM’s arrogant presumptions about the “mature” DGA versus the WGA “screaming brats” was spot on. As usual, you slash through the veneer of official disinformation set forth by the major jouno outlets, who are all of course bought and paid for by the congloms. You should be proud of the work you’ve done during (and long before) the strike, though it’s sad that an indie vanguard like yourself is about the only source for any remotely sane and unbiased reporting in this mess.
All future content will be “streamed.” All current and past content will be “streamed.” No, not on your little computer screen. On your big ol’ high-def screen there in your living room. It will be no different than watching directv or Time Warner cable. You will not know the difference.
Streaming internet content is not ‘promotional’ or supplemental to current on-air programming. It is going to be THE delivery system of the future. And it’s a near future. We’ll all have a little cool box that doesn’t even have a name yet. Just like someone could have told you years ago that your entire CD collection would fit on this thing about to come out called an “iPod.”
We’ve got to nail down a good residual formula on streaming. Because once the corporations have it in place, it is permanent and here to stay for a long, long time.
To Can’t Take It Anymore:
“If this strike really lasts until June, do you realize how many people’s lives and careers will be destroyed forever?”
I hear your frustration, but come on… *lives* destroyed? Forever?
Yes, I believe what we do is important, but letting your brain get carjacked by what has been a harsh, yet necessary action can’t possibly be helpful to yourself nor to the readers of these posts who also find themselves jittery. Hysteria rarely brings about good resolution.
Careers may necessarily change for some (myself included) as a result of the strike and the altered landscape of entertainment. It’s unfortunate, but it happens in many industries. We do what we can but if circumstances call for it, we adjust. That’s being an adult.
I wouldn’t address the post but for the fact that I have seen the same sentiment echoed in other posts during the last few weeks. And so I’ll say this in closing: if your life is so wrapped up in career that a vocational change *destroys* it, perhaps it’s time to do a bit of soul searching.
I don’t want to change careers, either, but I’ve discovered that there actually are a lot of other good and vital things to be done in this world.
Wow suddenly I feel in the minority, not being paid by a PR firm to post here. The sudden volume of such posts is staggering.
I just wanted to say – “Don’t mess with writers”, (above), I really love what you have to say. The core truth you present is undeniable – people want and need stories, and have since the cave man days. Storytellers will always be given a place at the fire, and ample bread/roasted meat, whether or not it’s the AMPTP doing the giving. And storytellers will never stop working their magic just because 8 big corporations decide to stop paying them. There is always an outlet, and some of the newer models may be refreshing and overdue.
happy gate pickete
12 guys on a line out of 12,000 what number is that. Pitiful I would say
As a television viewer, I find it absolutley idiotic some writers are willing vote against the proposed deal, leaving all the middleman people who also in the industry out of work. It is those people who are the pons in this chest game of yours. I have heard some showrunners are greatly concerned about their crews because of this strike. Are you writers even aware of the impact you guys are having on the crews, catering people, hotels, laundry mats, etc? Do you guys understand that if you guys vote against this proposed deal, you will be making the crews lives worse than they already are. Did or have you guys ever thought about that? Or are most of you just thinking about yourselves? This whole strike is more than just about you guys…IT IS ABOUT EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO SUFFERING FINANCIALLY BECAUSE OF THIS STRIKE!!
I fully understand writers wanted to be compensated for their work, i.e. downloads and internet residuals. I get that. I do. But there comes a time when one must start thinking rationally and realistically on this subject. My thinking on this is…if you writers can get a beginning deal, one that set the staging point for an increase in the future, when the contract expires in three years, I think that is better than nothing. Having a starting point makes more sense, than getting what one wants the first time around. That is the whole point of negotiations.
I have heard some writers mean that this is an important deal because it is talking about the next 20-25 years. With in that time frame, 8 more contracts can be revised and signed. The importance of this contract in my eyes is to set a starting point for residuals in internet and downloads. The amount offered now can always be revised in the next contract.
Please take a couple of minutes to think about the crews and others who are stuck in the middle of this mess. There are others who are suffering during this time. This strike has become more than just about you writers and it saddens me that some of you do not see that. If you guys have a heart, please think about every single middleman affected by this strike. You may not get exactly what you wanted in the new contract, but anything is better than nothing. And if it gets the crews and other industry resources back to work, than I think that is what should be important here. Stop thinking about yourselves and start thinking about others.
Up until November, I worked on a hit TV show. When the strike hit, I was as pissed as every other BTL’er that was getting put out of work. My reactionary thoughts were that…sure…easy for you, writers. You have tons of money. I found myself getting pissed at the idea of whether or not my showrunner and his writing staff were going to block me from entering my workplace. A group of people many of whom make 10-15 times more than me.
As the strike has wore on, I have mellowed and the stress/anxiety and emotion of the moment has given way to more rational thought. I have found ways to work my way through it. I’m doing other Post work – work that doesn’t pay into my Motion Picture health plan – a plan that I feel VERY LUCKY to have (not being in a union). A plan that is keeping me insured for the next year and a half almost without getting jobs that pay into it. For me – just having this and keeping it strong – is reason enough for me to want to see the WGA and SAG fight to keep the residual model in place for ALL forms of distribution. It’s quite clear that the studios would do away with it all if they could and not fund this plan that is so important to the people in this business.
I am one of the lucky few that gets access to MPIPHP without being a member of a union. This may go away for me – I know this. The studios gave it to me (and people like me) because they felt compelled to. Hell, this strike may prompt my exclusion from it – since I fully expect the studios to be in “cost cutting” mode when the strike ends and often us BTL’ers feel that more than anyone. Especially us non-unionized folk. If that happens, I will adapt. I will figure it out…and who knows, maybe I’ll leave this industry if it doesn’t work out for me.
But I will say this. This is something that is worth fighting for. Now that everything is shut down – KEEP it shut down until this deal is right. And SAG – you do it too. Don’t sell out for short term gains. In the end it is the grand mass of people that make decent (but not grand) livings at this that these terms seem to affect most.
All you BTL’ers that are screaming about the the “rich whiny writers” and that lowlife earlier in the comments who actually wished some Malibu houses burn down – shame on you. Maybe you don’t deserve to be in this business.
There’s tons of work out there. No – probably not doing EXACTLY what you usually do – but use your imagination. Pick up the phone and make some shit happen. Sit down and make a list of all your connections. Draw lines between people that should know each other, but don’t. Think of people that might be able to get work from someone else you know and connect them – even if it doesn’t help you personally in ANY way. Trust me, it will come back to you. We have to help each other. We have to look out for each other because the corporations certainly aren’t looking out for us. Not now. Not when the strike is over.
The enemies are not the writers. This is corporate greed – pure and simple.
Folks – please calm down.
Jessy S. – You’re pretty uniformed and clueless. If you think for one minute that congress will take this up in a major election year, you have another thing coming. The entire house and 1/3 of the senate are running for re-election. From now until November, it’s all about that in Washington. Congress isn’t interested and the companies are not getting raked over the coals anytime soon, especially now that the parties need campaign donations.
And Showrunner, comparing a dissenting block of writers to Jewish capos and the AMPTP to Nazis, is, at best, overly dramatic. At worst, insulting and a reminder of how out of control this has all gotten. Dissent is good and dissent is needed. Just because you don’t like it, doesn’t mean those people are traitors. They have a different opinion and want it heard. To think that 12000 people, 12000 creative, intelligent people, are walking lockstep is ludicrous. Have you ever really been in a writers’ room? Dissent and challenge is crucial to what we do.
You will hear about your deal. Then you will learn about your deal. Then you will decide about your deal. Take a breath and be rational. If your leaders, who everyone says they trust, have made this deal, you owe it to yourself to listen and learn.
And Nikki, stop calling the DGA deal shitty. The majority of us in the DGA like the deal. For us. We never said this is right for the WGA. Our contracts, as well as the other guilds and unions, are all different – on all levels of compensation.
We would not have gotten our deal without the WGA strike. Let’s just make that clear.
Then we moved the ball down the field. Further than the WGA could at the outset. Then, we handed off to the WGA, who was able to drive it home. The DGA deal works for us, and it seems the WGA improved upon it. In a weird way, I prefer to think that the two guilds have complimented each other’s style. That’s what negotiations are about. To keep dissing the DGA is to insult the work of BOTH guilds. And their members. Like you said, we all need to BACK OFF.
If we all channeled this much energy into our work, think what we could do…
I have been a showrunner for fifteen years, and I know many other showrunners and how they feel about this strike. They are overwhelmingly supportive.
I also know many of the so-called loyal opposition. Since the beginning, both the numbers of this second group and their A-list worthiness have been greatly exaggerrated. They are not the bigshots they would have you believe. Mostly, they are self-interested malcontents, second cousins to the Union Blues of the 1988 strike, a group which has since been proved to have been utterly on the wrong side of things and who served exactly two purposes in that strike: to elongate it, and to get us less than we deserved.
So can we please stop writing that the influence of this current dissident group has had anything to do with the outcome of this strike? It has not. Verrone, Bowman and company know who they are, know what they are, and know how much influence they have. Which is not very much. Want to know why they have yet to put their names to anything? Because most people would respond with a resounding “Who?” The only power they have is in their anonymity and their overblown influence.
I repeat: they are minor players here, and the Guild leadership knows that.
Personally, I think there’s a lot to recommend the deal, and I don’t think you’d hear the leadership recommend it if they didn’t feel the same. I’m not sure how I’ll vote — I’ll wait to hear their thoughts. But can we please hear no more about the self-styled power-brokering dirty thirty? They are not important — not to this discussion, and not in the business in general, with a small handful of exceptions. You will see their names published before it’s all said and done and you’ll laugh twice: first, at the idea that these people had any influence at all, and second, at the sad spectacle of them all scrambling to detach the tag “pariah” from their names.
1- It is imperative that the WGA membership be allowed to vote on this. Of course the AMPTP would prefer it was decided without a vote. That, in itself, I fear may be indicative of the quality of their offer.
2-Why is that when the AMPTP finally agrees to negotiate, they then are being allowed to rush the writers in their ratification of the agreement? I certainly don’t think the writers should delay the strike any longer than necessary. But neither should they be forced to make their decision on the AMPTP’s timetable.
3-The Oscars are obviously important to certain members of the AMPTP. Instead of easily caving, the writers should make sure to use this to their advantage.
4-If you think it is difficult walking your picket lines in LA, try doing it New York style in freezing cold rainstorms. Not fun. That said, most writers here in NYC would rather spend a few more weeks or heaven forbid a couple more months on this now, so that they don’t have to be out there again in three years.
5-Why doesn’t everyone on here wait and hear the actual offer before fighting about it.
You have to admit, it’s awfully nice of the AMPTP studio heads to work this out so writers don’t have to do any thinking for themselves.
I write this wanting to elaborate upon Nikki’s statement that “the back nine can still be saved” from the hourlong series perspective …
For a lot of the one hour dramas, the time remaining is critical in order to save the back nine. I’ve been on conference calls with the Network who basically only want new shows through May. June has never been a profitable month to air new programming because of their daylight savings theory — which is at that time of the year, people tend to not watch as much TV because the tendency to go out socially increases.
That being said, it would be an extremely difficult and possibly unrealistic task to try to write, shoot and post nine episodes by May. For a lot of these hour long dramas, you must factor in an 8 day shooting schedules plus editorial and other post production related tasks. And for every passing day, the time factor will determine just how many episodes we can produce.
Once this deal is ratified, we are looking at a week, perhaps, to write the first post-strike episode, plus the contractual obligation of 7 days to prep the episode for the director and the eight days to shoot it. So figure this: if they settle this week… which is a big if… factor in the time to ratify the deal, and then the writing and prep time; hourlong shows wouldn’t be able to start shooting until early March. And if the networks hold their position about not needing new content for June, then a back nine seems highly unlikely. It ends up looking more like a back 7 or 8, and thats being generous.
The point I am trying to make is, back nine, back five, whatever… most below-the-liners are still a few weeks out of work even if these negotiations are handled with the utmost efficiency. And a lot of the Networks only want a certain number of new shows to air until a certain amount of time (or at least the network I deal with.) The tail is being eaten at both ends. This is just a realistic view in my opinion of the remainder of the 07/08 television season in regards to the hourlong formatted shows.
Patrick Meighan,
I admire your fortitude and resolve. However, your tone and assumptions trouble me to no end. I will preface this by saying that you may be privy to specifics of the current offer on the table that I am not. But I think it is nothing short of reprehensible for you to spend the night posting what amount to anti-deal missives on a deal that hasn’t seen the light of day. Can’t you give the process a chance? Let the deal points be hammered out and presented then fire away! But until that happens, you do yourself, the negotiating committee and everyone a disservice by assuming that if the AMPTP was involved in the negotiations that the deal is inheirently bad(granted, this is just my perception). Give Verone and company a chance to present something without comments like:
“And unless and until Fox and the other studios agree to a deal that’d pay writers a fair fraction of the profits they’re earning off my show (and others), I’ll keep doing what I’ve been doing every weekday for the past 3+ months: walking the picket line.”
How do you know that this isn’t the case? Nothing has been anounced or confirmed. PLEASE sir, I only ask that you set aside your pessimism for a couple of days and wait for the deal that is in hand to be laid out in full. Your convictions are admirable and I believe they are well intentioned. But I think it is incumbent on all of us to wait another couple of days to see what the truth really is. Assuming that the deal sucks does nothing for anyone and in fact only harms the process.
I cant believe that we are putting all the guild members at risk but voting no for a deal. I work at a great show and am happy with whatever deal we get because i know some of our less earning members are going banlrupt and eating from their savings….
Yes we fought for a great deal, but do you really think that writers were gonna get it? I think if you believe that then we have been fooling ourselves.
I will vote yes,if the deal is a good one and be picketing in three years if i feel that the deal can be improved then. Until then think about the less paid writers who are not earning enough.
Lets try and be less greedy and more considerate.
Dear “Post Producer”-
All of us BTL people appreciate your support. For your information, myself and 4 of my close friends on a major network show have been unable to find work since the strike. We’d all love to know about this “work” that you talk about. 1 is on the verge of losing his house, 2 have children however, fortunately for myself, I live in a rent controled apartment but do have a serious financial commitment to my Parents. It is offensive and kiss ass to the WGA that you would support a dragging out the signing of a deal that does not benefit us BTL’s but has cost us 1000’s of dollars. Thanks again!
Actually, “Post Produer” sounds like a writer in disguise as a BTL!
You have to realize that the “no cave” posters here and on United Hollywood are the radical fringe of the union–it’s healthy to have dissent within the ranks, but there’s no way in hell a 12,000-member union is going to reject a deal that’s at all reasonable. We hate the strike as much as anyone else, and we’re praying for a peaceful resolution. If they do reject a reasonable deal, I go fi-core immediately.
I’m loving these people who keep repeating, “but–but they’re your LEADERS!” yes, they’re people chosen to do a job that can only be delegated to a smaller group. They’re not demigods. This is a democracy, and the membership makes the final decision. We’ll weigh the pros and cons, but we won’t follow anyone blindly. And as for this new “ardently defended” talking point, our leaders’ decisions have come in for plenty of criticism over the course of this thing. Just because we support the strike and its goals doesn’t mean we agree with every decision made or every action taken.
Do not forget, either, that SAG can afford to get hosed on residuals even less than we can. If this deal is unacceptable to them, they’re going out. If it’s clear they’re going out, everything shuts down on March 1st. It does not make sense for us to agree to a deal that SAG won’t pass, we’d trade two weeks of work for being stuck with less than what they’ll eventually get.
All you writers better fall in line to be shepherded, like Variety says:
And can we stop all the “we can wait until June” macho crapola posturing? It’s like a child holding his hands over his ears and humming to keep from hearing anyone. Your leaders think they have something – the same leaders you annointed with praise and trust, and now they are cowrds and traitors?
I’m sure that they have a reasonable compromise deal between what you wanted and what is possible, yes I said the dreaded “c” word that is the eventual end to all strikes in history. Failure to accept compromise ends in failure.
BTL 399
to just a thought,
first of all, its one gate for one shift, so to say 12 out of 12,000 is pretty unfair (read: stupid). fox had over 1,000 people today, and I read that number before the last shift was over. my point is that it has been the same 12 people at my teeny tiny gate since the first day of the strike. 12 people who haven’t faltered and who are completely devoted to the cause and their union. whether you want to believe it or not, the majority of writers believe (rightfully) that they deserve and are capable of getting a fair deal.
i’m tired of having this petty argument with people that want to pick on my gate. im proud of them and don’t give a damn what those of you who aren’t even going out to the lines think.
LOL… Okay, got it. I should vote for the deal, whatever it is, because if I don’t, Can’t Take It Anymore will hate me. Wow, what would I do with myself if that happened?!?! Seriously, isn’t accepting the deal no matter what seem just as ignorant as refusing the deal no matter what?
The issues here are real and serious. Jurisdiction over the internet isn’t a frivolous luxury, it’s the future of our profession. We get it now, or we pay for it with flat-fee residuals forever.
Just an FYI to all of you that are calling on SAG to sustain you…we’re done. This strike has KILLED our membership. Yes the top 1%, like Eva and Julie-Louise and some hard core reactionaries have been out there on the lines with you guys, our president may have sent a letter to us (most of us were honestly wondering what the hell business of his it was to get involved) and a lot of us were with you for a while, but the middle class SAG member is totally being bent over the barrel by this strike. I know member upon member who has lost health insurance due to not being able to work over the last few months and we’re exhausted. I hope that you get a great deal but please remember that YOU decided to do this. Don’t look to US to provide some kind of safety net for you, when won’t for us (commercial strike anyone?). Let alone our hard working artistic bothers and sisters that have been so disgustingly been referred to by both sides of this strike as “below the liners”.
Listen to what Showrunner said. Our leadership knows all about this group of 30 – and I don’t think it is that many. They are no one that anybody in this industry will care about. There’s a few scattered successful ones in the group but you won’t be surprised by their names. And once you hear them, you won’t care. Nikki I hope you’re listening to this. There is no 300. There has never been a 300. There probably isn’t even 30. The point is – leave this out of the discussion. The deal that our leadership recommends or doesn’t recommend will have nothing to do with these people. It will have everything to do with what is fair. It won’t be perfect and anyone who thought it would be should re-think that. But it will be fair. And all of this will have been worth it.
How about we stop posting for now and wait till our leadership tellsl us what they have? Otherwise, we’ll encourage the many posers on here – some of whom I have no doubt are posing as writers so they can continue to perpetuate the myth that wga members are ignorant and unreasonable. I don’t believe that at all. But on this site, you can’t tell who’s who. So let’s back off for now. Playing into the AMPTP’s hands is not a smart thing for us to do. They’ll only use it against us with the public and the rest of our industry. No point in giving them that.
Everything has been said already – do we really need to spin it a hundred different ways? Let’s wait to hear from our own leadership and then really decide how we feel.
I’m another of those no-guild workers, who can only lose in the WGA effort to make more money. Nothing you are negotiating or striking for will benefit ANY of us who make sure your scripts look good on screen, absolutly nothing. And everyday that you stay out personally hurts us. You are personally punishing us, financially and other ways, and yet asking us to support you. For a time that was okay. But now? Sorry, but you’ve got a chance to get a deal that is better than what you were working for before the strike. That is called winning. If this deal goes through, no one in the guild is going to go broke in 10 years, unless they don’t write anymore. That fact that apparently many of you think that if you write one sucessful show you should be set for life is not how this business works.
The truth is, each and every person in this industry is just as important as anyone else. Got a great script? Got Tom Hanks starring? Got Spielberg producing? What if IATSE decides to strike? Doesn’t matter how good your writing is, it’s not going to be made. Seems to me that everyone in IATSE is more important than the WGA folks. Not to say that that is in fact the case, but just to point out that everyone in the indusrty is important to making a show a hit.
So now, you’ve got a chance to win, get a better deal than before, probably a better deal than the DGA. Have some respect for the rest of us now. Don’t be greedy. Because then you are just the same as the moguls you’ve been complaining about. Keep striking now, to try and squeeze out every single cent you can, while the rest of us suffer, and you will permanently lose ALL respect in this industry. What does this mean? It means walking into a studio, where all around the set are talking and enjoying themselves, and then they see the “writer” and clam up, turn away from you, talk in hushed tones. Yeah, better get used to it guys, you’re looking at the cold shoulder treatment for years to come. You will never be thanked for causing financial and psychological pain to your fellow on-set workers, never. Up to this point you’ve probably been okay. But hold out till hell freezes over, or SAG comes to recuse you, then just face it, when the shows come back, you might was well just sit at home and write, and send a messenger over to the studio with the script, because you’re certainly not going to be welcomed there.
To the guy criticizing the quality of streaming content… you REALLY don’t get it. This is NOT about capitalizing on “Quarterlife”, which is just a frat-quality sitcom jumping from myspace to NBC as a test… this is about MASH, FRIENDS and even ACCORDING TO JIM.
Streamed content means that viewers cannot skip commercials. Any eyeballs are subjected to the WHOLE commercial. With high-speed internet, that means that in a computer-on-demand situation that the networks/syndicators can easily amass quite a few eyeballs in a month of on demand than a syndicated 2 am rerun on Lifetime. Now, since eyeballs are what determines ad rates, that means they collect a LOT on those shows (and the costs are about 5% of what it costs to traffic prints/tapes of those shows in syndication). And according to the DGA deal, the creators get none of that, or a $1200 fee… nothing.
Now, the next step is streaming that same content via the internet directly to your big-screen TVs. That isn’t “years” in the future, that is happening now to those of who know what is going on… Hulu, AppleTV, Sligbox and TiVo2Go all can do that now (ATV not exactly, but close). And again, the creators get nothing and the syndicator keeps it all. The viewer would be stuck with watching all the commercials that TiVo lets them skip now, which increases the value of the property… but again, the DGA0-style deal will not get to you because you were thinking of some stupid myspace video when you made the deal.
THAT is what this “alternative distribution” system is about.
But I just don’t think you get it. The whole style of this strike and combativeness is because writers as a whole don’t get it. It’s about the ratings and cumulative eyeballs viewing ads, not the medium. But in falling for a “streaming fee” rather than points on the gross, writer’s are damning themselves to the $460 a week unemployment pays. Writers are about to allow the producers to define methodology without realizing that this is not what is coming, it is what is here now.
happy gate picketer
Numbers are numbers.So if you can tell me that 12 guys on the line speak for your members then I will kiss your ass .Your guild is losing speed.
To Can’t Take It Anymore:
Everyone chose the line of work they are in. If it can’t pay the bills, then quit and find something else to do. While I understand that support people and other businesses are being hurt in this strike, but I do not have an obligation for them to make a living at the expense of my own. We all chose this work and this industry – no one is forced into Entertainment. If you can’t handle driving a truck for “Dexter” then go drive a truck for UPS. Just like if I don’t want to write for “Two And A Half Men” then I can choose to drive a truck for UPS. Or I can start my own business. Or I can go broke. If no one wants to buy my spec script, do I demand craft services give me free food?
My cousin, a moderately successful something or other in Hollywood, has been telling me since the day I moved to LA… you do not get what you deserve in this business, you get most of what you negotiate.
There are so many disturbing comments here, that I feel compelled to respond.
1. How can you be angry at Verrone for calling a strike and still want to strike more?
2. How can you think after everything they have put us through that the leadership won’t present the best deal they can get? If they thought they could get more, they would stay out. You must remember their reputations are on the line, they have no motivation to do anything but get everything they can.
3. Finally, strike fever seems to have led some to believe that by staying out indefinitely they will get everything they want. That is only true if what they want is a scab workforce and a crippled union.
Take a deep breath and be realistic. The leadership will put forth the best deal they can get and we should support them.
To Anon (’I’m loving these people who keep repeating, “but–but they’re your LEADERS!”’) above:
You’re missing the point, or maybe you’re just being deliberately obtuse and insulting. None of us have been in the negotiating sessions for the past six months. Verrone, Young, and Bowman have. So, I trust their sense of what is realistic and achievable, and, therefore, I will vote for what they recommend.
If you think that equates with ‘but–but they’re your LEADERS!’, then you are a silly person.
Do you know how much stress you have put on the thousands of people you are hurting just to get a few extra bucks. Yes you write the show that we work on, but we bust our as*es off to make that show look good. Without us your script would be shit. I have never seen a writer be on set for 12-15 hours a day and commute 2-3 hours a day. You are in your nice cozy office while we make your picture. So who are you really hurting, the people who make you win awards and make your picture look good. This all for a few extra bucks that hasn’t taken off and maybe won’t. This has gone on way too long and I was supporting the WGA, but it is getting ridiculous and I have a family to feed and put a roof over their heads. Take the deal and move on. It is only 3 years and by the time we really will know if this strike was worth it the billions of dollars our business has lost and the billions of dollars our suffering economy has lost. We are basically in a recession and you rather put more fuel on the fire than help end it. Take the deal and let us all go back to work so we all can provide for our family.
Big C-
Why do you assume streaming commercials can’t be skipped? Hulu’s already been hacked and you can find captures of its streams with the commercials excised all over bittorrent. And my 19-year-old cousin, who, frankly, is not even that bright has downloaded shareware onto his laptop that will buffer *any* stream by about three minutes, allowing him to skip through commercials just like Tivo.
All I can say is: “Wow…”
Nikki said: “Judging from the thousands of emails I received during my illness, opinions within the WGA were running 3-to-1 after its sketchy details were announced that the DGA deal looked both promisingly incremental and fundamentally excremental.”
This made me smile, Nikki, thank you.
As for the contents of this thread, well, it’s been a real ‘coaster ride.
If the idea that the strike would be called prior to a membership vote is true, and isn’t enshrined yet, I would suggest an alternative plan of using a strike waiver for the Oscars as a bargaining chip in the negotiations. Or some other similar maneuver could be made. This would allow for a similar effect without causing too much confusion, and allows for maintaining a proper grip on the WGA’s leverage.
Mike On The Set…
I don’t think you know the difference between a Guild and a Union. Unions exist to prevent abuses of physical labor and conditions by management. Guilds exist because artisans create a unique commodity for a small market.
IASTE is only important to make a movie because of the Union, not because the individuals being anything important to the movie – the work they do is important, but ultimately anyone can learn to tape wires, drive trucks, hold a book, gaff, etc. Guild members create a unique product that labor then sweats over. They punch in and punch out, and the Union-negotiated rules govern their treatment between those punches. IASTE does not make a movie, they work on them and really can very easily be replaced as there is no singular output created by them. That’s why buildings say “Designed by Architect XXX, and not “bricks laid by Larry and Moe”.
I’m not trying to belittle you, but thinking that you have any real bearing on the creation of a creative production is just wrong.
Looking forward to next weekend. I have faith in the leadership, but the leadership is there to carry out the will of the rank and file, not the other way around. A fair deal was the only reason for the strike in the first place and will be the only thing that should end it.
The people who want to “just go back to work” don’t realize that the very concept of “work” has already been irrevocably altered. The Internet age isn’t coming; it’s here. Continuing to strike will hurt most of us; taking a bad deal could destroy us.
Nobody knows what the future of entertainment will bring, but one thing is clear: it will bring lots of money. I’m not giving up my fair share to anyone without a fight. It’s too late for that . . .
If they do reject a reasonable deal, I go fi-core immediately.” — Sammy Glick
Great! That’s one less spec script I have to read during staffing season!
how do any of you writers now that in 5 years tv/internet will be one in the same? YOU DONT!, WGA struck the first chance it had and went balls in to negotiations like a bunch of tough guys… it ended up being the wrong move and now thousands are suffering.
Oh and to the guy from Family guy, since when do they not show commercials on family guy on TV? and you probably made an easy 150,000 last year workin on family guy so you really need to be less vocal.
and for all those shows we are talking about, on the networks how many writers could it be 500-1000? theres about 20,000 people who work on those jobs.
WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE
I’ve never seen so many posts from below-the-line folks or people who just hate writers (not the same at all.) All these negative voices yelling at writers to immediately take a deal that has yet to be hammered out and presented to them sure is strange.
A suspicious mind would think someone (or maybe a group of someone’s) was in a rush to get writers to take the deal without looking over the fine print. Even though it’s that fine print that will determine writers’ economic futures for a generation.
I’m hoping when the deal is done it’ll be a great one, or at least a decent one (which is more than enough) but I would like to be able to hear what’s actually in it before being told I’m an asshole for not taking it. Crazy notion, huh?
Then again,if you’ve read all the way down to this post, your probably just looking for a fight one way or another and not really interested in waiting to make up your mind.
Mike, give me a damn break. Do I have to point to all of the posts in this one thread from non-writers that are variations on the ‘you people have genuflected to these awful men from day one, how can you possibly turn down any deal they approve now? They’re your leaders, follow them!’ theme? (Note the use of ‘your’ leaders, not ‘our’ leaders, that also tends to suggest the individuals posting the latest talking point aren’t WGA members).
You do whatever you want. Of course Verrone, Young, and Bowman have been in on negotiations and we haven’t. But we can read, and we can make our own judgements about the deal when the details become public. It’s also true that Verrone, Bowman, and Young are subject to a different set of pressures than the rest of us. It’s possible that they’re more afraid, say, of having some prominent members go publicly fi-core than of sacrificing some key issues. We’re not in their heads, we don’t know what pressures they’re under, and we don’t know the details yet. Once we do, we’re entitled to make up our own minds in the knowledge that we don’t all share the same goals, outlook and priorities.
Personally, unless we get a percentage, however small, instead of a flat fee, I’m going to strongly lean toward voting against it unless I’m provided with a really compelling reason to vote yes.
Sorry, Nikki, I know you’ve been sick but I really feel you have to do a better job of moderating your board. Or at least hire someone to do it (there’s plenty of unemployed folks out there who I’m sure would do it for cheap.)
Your posts are still great — smart, incisive, sometime outrageous (but always entertainingly so) and a pleasure to read.
But the comments section has really completely deteriorated. People expect a smart blog to have a smart discussion in the comments section. A few (very few) raise interesting, thoughtful points but the majority are yelling “Make a deal, assholes!”, or “I’ll never make a deal, assholes!” when the grand majority of people are hopeful that we are close to a deal and think the WGA leadership has done a good and moderate job up until now in fighting for their membership.
I especially find ugly the growing “below the line workers do all the work!” versus “Below the line workers are all replaceable!” crap that’s been going on. It’s disgusting. TV and film making is a collaboration and always has been (no one person is the author of a film, sorry film critics.) And Hollywood’s unions need to stand together because it’s the only chance they have in making reasonable deals with the studios. If one gets a bad deal, they all will soon enough (goodbye health care and pension, hello rollbacks!)
I’ll still enjoy your posts, Nikki. But this is the final time I read the comments section.
Big C,
I hate corporate greed as much as the next guy and in principle support the demands of the WGA strike. I agree that past basic contracts have indeed handed out the proverbial short end of the stick and I hope that the guild manages to negotiate a fair and reasonable deal this time around.
That said, comments like yours are so outright inflammatory and ignorant that it goes a very long way to undermining everything the WGA is fighting for and instead makes you look like a pompous, out-of-touch member of the haut monde who has very little conception of how production actually operates.
Architects get their names on buildings instead of bricklayers for sure, and probably rightly so. That said, I doubt that most architects would make great masons anymore than I buy into your ridiculous puffery that “anyone can learn to tape wires…” Go check in with one of those trifling “grunt” positions for a day or two when the strike’s over and let me know how fast you pick up the remedial work that’s obviously so far beneath you (and how long you last in the position).
Furthermore, to act as though the entire body of IA is nothing more than a bunch of gofers who do not participate in “making a movie” as you so eloquently put it is outrageous. The last time I checked, IATSE represents grips and electrics, yes, but also cinematographers, editors, production designers, costume designers and on and on and on. I don’t think I need to produce a text-book-length essay to demonstrate that each of those above-the-line positions has a great deal to do with “the creation of a creative production.”
It’s really dismaying to see such arrogant and ill-informed (or inarticulate — you pick) post coming from (I presume) a WGA member/supporter. It makes it really easy to forget what the fight was all about in the first place and instead just think of the writers as the whining, greedy elitists in all of this. You know, as opposed to Peter Chernin.
Hope you’re welcomed back with open arms by your trifling below-the-line crew. God Speed.
Big C wrote: “anyone can learn to tape wires, drive trucks, hold a book, gaff, etc. Guild members create a unique product that labor then sweats over. They punch in and punch out, and the Union-negotiated rules govern their treatment between those punches. IASTE does not make a movie, they work on them and really can very easily be replaced as there is no singular output created by them. That’s why buildings say “Designed by Architect XXX, and not “bricks laid by Larry and Moe”.
I’m not trying to belittle you, but thinking that you have any real bearing on the creation of a creative production is just wrong.”
Now that has to be the most arrogant and clueless post I’ve seen in this thread. Big C do you even know what a gaffer does?
I guess just anyone with an hour or so of training can design, build, paint, decorate the sets needed to realize your vision so they not only look good and support the story and don’t fall down and crush the actors and crew. I guess it takes zero skill and creativity to figure out not only what lighting would set the mood of a scene, but what guage wire is needed to power everything on the set without burning it down with an electrical short. Post production sound and foley isn’t creative at all… there’s no skill and creativity needed so that your words are actually intellegible over the background noice and there are tweating birds where your script calls for it too. Editors that take miles of footage and cut it together into something that makes sense and doesn’t jump around aren’t being creative either I suppose. The folks that do all the non-creative jobs I just mentioned are members of…..IATSE.
Ask yourself this question. When the production left overs end up on e-bay or at Christies, what sells for more… a copy of the script or the really cool prop or costume designed the IATSE member who doesn’t have “any real bearing on the creation of a creative production.”
Without the creative input of dozens of IATSE members in a variety of capacities your script is just words on a page. With comments like yours it’s no wonder writers get no respect in the industry.
I have to chime in here as a striking writer who doesn’t think, frankly, what people outside our Guild have to say re: whether or not we take this deal is relatively important at all.
If the deal isn’t a fair compromise, I’m not voting ‘yes’ and I’d like to think the majority of those who went on strike with me feel the same way.
I’m not voting for anything that labels a complete program or movie as ‘promotional’ and doesn’t pay us from the first click for each download/stream/whatever, institutes some sort of ‘promotional window’ of said program, etc.
They get paid, we get paid. That was the mantra and it would be an offensive joke to go back for anything less.
“I cant believe that we are putting all the guild members at risk but voting no for a deal. I work at a great show and am happy with whatever deal we get because i know some of our less earning members are going banlrupt and eating from their savings….”
Some of ‘less earning members are oing banlrupt and eating from their savings…,”
OH. MY. GOD. I want one of those AMPTP shill/troll !jobs! They obviously let you drink on the job!
“Yes we fought for a great deal, but do you really think that writers were gonna get it? I think if you believe that then we have been fooling ourselves.”
He’s us, then he’s them, he’s us, but then he’s them…wow. I feel sorry for this guy. Didn’t have enough private time with the thesaurus or the parents must have been poor, lazy, negligent or all dee above.
“I will vote yes,if the deal is a good one and be picketing in three years if i feel that the deal can be improved then. Until then think about the less paid writers who are not earning enough.”
Now look Ignasio, I realize we pulled you off line from Cactus Taco–we’re giving you money, five minutes—but we have a job! A job You Can Have. There’s this wwebsite–cum–puu-teehrer?—you get it ok. So this website, you talk on line? Yeah? You put talk online on this website.
))listens, then((
Te damos–we give you the script. What to say. Don’t be afraid to skip words. Writrs lazee.
“Lets try and be less greedy and more considerate.”
And here I thought it was enough when I walked on the street side of the girl.
“Comment by We Selfish lil prats”
And 30 other reasons we should get an AMPTP-paying, hourly-wage drinking, cool-strike gig. Awesome sign-off names! I love y’all! Seven! More! Months!
BOB JONES WROTE: “This is the basic problem with unions: they actively fight market forces and promote oversaturation of the workforce. In the non-union world, when you don’t work for two years, you find something else to do. Actually, that is not true. It usually doesn’t take that long to figure out that maybe it is time to try something else. The fact is that there are too many of you competing for too few jobs. If you haven’t worked in two years, maybe it’s time for a new career.”
I’ll be kind, Bob, because it seems like you mean well. But your union wisdom doesn’t apply to Hollywood (or, I would imagine, other creative endeavors). This isn’t a Malthusian numbers game – with a set amount of spaces and a set amount of employees that our union is artificially keeping afloat. It’s Hollywood, Baby. Union or not, there will ALWAYS be a tremendous oversaturation of the work-force. Tens of thousands flock here every year, if not more. They would happily work for free. Hell, may would actually PAY to write a network TV show or act in one. Or far worse. I could round up an entire crew and actors to shoot a low-budget movie for ZERO – just for the hope and the dream. In fact, I once did. Get it now? Without unions, the exploitation in this town would dwarf every other industry combined. Know many coal miners or fireman who would work for free?
You make some good points. They just don’t apply here. And even if there wasn’t an existing oversaturation, your point still doesn’t apply. Writers sell a creative product. It’s not just a numbers game. Sometimes you hit. Sometimes it’s back to the drawing board – which may take two years before someone wants to spend millions on what you wrote. REGARDLESS of how saturated the workforce is.
Get it now?
HOLD ON EVERYONE.
How has the following possibility been totally ignored. One person posted it, then people acted like it didn’t exist. From Variety:
“The proposed deal for the WGA is the same as the DGA terms for the first two years of the WGA contract. But starting in the third year of the WGA contract, the formula would change to give writers 2% percentage of distributor’s gross from the get-go after the promo window ends, rather than a fixed residual for the first year of streaming availability.”
THIS IS WHAT YOU WANTED.
It’s a compromise. But the contract sets the precedent of a windowless, straight-up precentage of the DISTRIBUTOR’S GROSS.
This is an actual concession. In the contract.
If it’s true, you would be foolish not to approve this contract. I have supported the writers up and down, but if you seriously look at this deal offer and turn it down, you are cutting of your nose to spite your faces.
If this can be realized in contract language, you have protected your future by setting a precedent of how future residuals will be paid.
Remember, your original offer was 2.5% of distributor’s gross. This would give you 2%.
The companies save face by getting their window of time to “study the issue” and writers save face by getting their actual demand in contract language before the contract expires.
I hope all of you swearing up and down that you’ll vote no on this deal did so without realizing this was a possibility.
Think about it.
I’m not sure what I’m enjoying more this morning, civil war between the writers or the prospect of BTLs taking up torches and pitchforks.
Dear Big C
Thank you for your kind comments regarding how easily below-the-line crew members can be replaced by other equally replaceable crew members. I realize we are just trained monkeys to you and we appreciate the the occasional coffee cart your kind provides for us poor unskilled and useless workers.
By the way, fuck you.
go ahead, stay out longer. reject the deal. cause more pain to those that have no voice in all of this mess. who cares if THEY loose their houses, cars and livelyhood….they’re just “non-creative” below-the-liners anyway, i.e. the unwashed.
we want more money! more respect!! a better deal with even more money!!!! a job for life!!!! a house in Malibu!!!!! blah, blah, blah.
“The networks still get it as part of the license fee, and if you compare the viewers per rerun at $20K and the viewers of streams at $1,200, the stream deal is better,” an insider told me. “People need to be educated on the economics”……..This is the part all your “comment” writers have missed. The streaming is BUNDLED in selling the show. There are no separate payments to break out and get a percentage of. This is what the DGA study found out. This is what we will see change in the next contract……..And it is amazing how the negotiations moved ahead with an entertainment lawyer in the room for the WGA.
Remember when the Showrunners gave you whining, non-working writers the leverage you needed for a strike by walking out on their shows? Shut up and see what the deal is before you open your pie-holes.
To those of you who are trying to claim that I’m being hysterical, I’m not. Sure, I can change careers eventually, but the damage has already been done and if the strike goes on any longer, there will just be more damage done–not just to me and my family, but hundreds, if not thousands, of others. It’s not like I can just snap my fingers and magically have another career. These things take time.
And, also, to those of you who think that I and others like me are just “shills”: we’re not. Did it ever occur to you that some of us do not want to destroy whatever little good will we still have with the entertainment community–and the public in general–by dragging this thing out forever?
Anon wrote: “It does not make sense for us to agree to a deal that SAG won’t pass, we’d trade two weeks of work for being stuck with less than what they’ll eventually get.”
Read the above carefully. It clearly states the bottom line: If SAG won’t accept the deal, there’s nothing to be gained by us approving it because the industry will be shut down again anyway.
Dear Big C-
Thank you for summing up what every BTL person thinks about the writer’s Attitudes. I’m certain that no one can learn to be a writer. All are born writing well. I’m so glad we got that cleared up.
Get a clue Big C and come off your arrogant high horse. Movie/TV making is a GROUP effort. How dare you belittle any part of the process? Fyi-IATSE includes Editors, Costume Designers, Set Designers to only name a few but I guess these aren’t “creative” positions according to you.
Thank you for your input, AMPTP. All those that posted anomously or under intials or silly names, more that 1/2 of you are AMPTP members getting paid to voice anti-WGA messages on the most popular boards. I’m not buying it.
The WGA has been on strike too long. To back down now, for a deal just to deal, would be stupid, insulting, and embarrassing.
Why fight, if you weren’t prepared to be out at least until Jun or July when SAG could join you. With all of the big names SAG has, there’s not likely to be a long strike.
Big C, you’re not only and idiot, you’re a reprehensible douchebag and I doubt that you’ve spent time on a working film set for even a second. IATSE members are just as important to the creation of a piece of theatrical art as anyone else on set. Bottom line. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous. Go re-write a Japanese horror movie, you clown, but don’t lecture people about the creative process.
The most radical voices are being heard loud and clear on sites like this.
They want to strike forever and will risk blowing up the guild to do so.
It’s insanity — especially since the proposed deal is pretty damn good.
Sigh. I weep for my union.
Big C –
Let’s set the record straight here, as you are either misinformed or really clueless.
Are you kidding me? Union members don’t bring anything important (read: creative)? they punch in and punch out and that’s it?
Let me remind you that IATSE covers a some people who make a rather significant creative contribution to every production – production designers, set decorators, costume designers, editors, visual effects artists. 399 covers casting directors and location managers (who are not drones, but integral parts of determining a show’s look). These are all below the line workers, and they all have creative bearing on every show.
If you’re a showrunner, I feel sorry for your crew. If you’re not, learn about the contributions EVERYONE brings to the table.
Guys, guys, guys….
First, I’m not a PR/studio shill posting
just a BTL’er stuck in the middle– lost a production deal thanks to the strike but have supported the writers in the goals.
BUT- what you all are failing to recognize or even acknowledge is the numbers you walked into the strike asking for were unrealistic. You were asking for money that didn’t exist and now your expectations are WAY overblown. Your leadership realized this after seeing the DGA independent study which projected income off the Internet for the next 10 or so years. Your leadership, who by the way, rejected the DGA’s offer a year ago to share in the study.
So, while you may hate the DGA deal (and it may have many flaws), this is the moment of the greatest leverage you have. If your leadership recommends you vote for the deal, you should listen to them. You trusted them when they called for a strike. Now trust that they know they are getting you the best deal possible.
It ain’t gonna get better in 3 or 7 or 12 months. It’s only going to get worse. And we all won’t ever get back to work.
I keep hearing people on here say screw those 30 showrunners, the rest of us 10,000 are stronger etc etc.
Newsflash: 30 of the top showrunners combined have way more leverage than the rest of the 10,000 guild members. Its why they are actively involved in the discussions and you are on this board. I understand you have the voting numbers and can out vote them, but if they decide to take their projects back to the air – GAME OVER. Their won;t be a guild anymore! If you think it was tough getting the studios to talk to you before, do you think they would even acknowledge the WGA once they have their shows back??? The showrunners negotiate their own deals anyway, they don’t use the minimum terms negotiated by the guild so they wouldn;t be lossing anything.
Its not a matter of right or wrong. Its just fact. I dont know if those 30 showrunners exist or not, but if they do, the rest of the guild should understand exactly what it means because all guild members don’t have equal leverage/power in this situation.
Hey Big C,
You think you have it all figured out, don’t you? Well your going to find out.
Post producer
Those jobs you seem to think are out there and easily obtained aren’t. Many involve taking a significant pay cut to obtain. There have been some features crewing and each time there are hundreds of applicants for just one or two positions. Well qualified, and over qualified people trying to find something to carry them through. People willing to work for less in a job that they are over qualified for. You may have been in the right place at the right time but for every job that opens up and is filled there are many hard working very qualified people who stay on umemployment. You should consider yourself very lucky. This isn’t always about being “creative” in the job search it is also about being in the right place at the right time. Be grateful.
To Big C:
It is the kind of extreme selfishness and greed that you are representing that has turned most BTL’s against the writers. It is one thing to try to stand up for what you think is right, it is quite another thing to be an insensitive sheep.
Mike on the Set,
NEWS FLASH
We aren’t striking for you. Yes, I said it. WE AREN’T STRIKING FOR YOU. You had nothing to do with the decision to go on strike and you will have nothing to do with the decision if we decide to go back. NOTHING.
This is a WGA strike. Maybe we should’ve let the crew vote on the strike authorization. That would make sense right? I’m sure if we did that, the crew would love us as much as they did before the strike. Because there was no petty jealousy between the crew and the writers before the strike. Everyone in the crew loves the writers.
As far as getting the cold shoulder on the set. So what. See how long you last acting like an asshole to the writers and producers on the show. Or will you kiss up to the EPs and just show the cold shoulder to the lower level writers? I can see that fake smile and the ass kissing all the way from here.
Mike, get over it. It is extremely unfortunate that you have to suffer the consequences of this strike but that’s life pal. When the Transit workers go on strike, they don’t seek approval from commuters. If you can’t take the volatility of the industry,, get out. You’re argument is ridiculous. it doesn’t hold water.
No Matt – I’m really a Post guy. You can’t put down my opinion by claiming I’m not real.
So let me ask you – what are you doing with your time? I mean seriously…if you owe tons of money or you and your kids are about to be put out on the street…do you HAVE to find work as a grip or electrician or cameraman or whatever it is that you usually do?
Take a risk. Do something else. I’ve been lucky to find a little industry work. But I’ve had to be creative and work connections. And most of it didn’t pay as well (and some of it actually pays MORE)…but between that and cutting back I’m making it through (crosses fingers, makes sign of the cross). In the end, it’s the people that know and like you that can help you most. That’s where everything happens in this town for those of us that don’t create product and have agents. If you can’t find industry work – by God don’t sit around waiting for this strike to end in order to pay your rent, mortgages or parents. If you can make more than the $450/week that unemployment pays doing SOMETHING then you should probably be doing that. Most of us can – you just have to work your connections.
I’ll say it again – you may call me names – but help someone else get work. If you can think of ANYONE that you know who is out of work that might benefit from connecting with someone else you know. Do it. Connect them. It will come back to you. And these kinds of actions will carry you farther in your career than being able to punch the clock at your hit show right now.
I worked on a hit show too and hope to go back to it, but I honestly see this as a time for opportunity. A time to stretch my wings a bit and try other things. And I too have kids. I am the sole breadwinner in the family. I too owe my parents lots of money.
It’s not an easy business and it never has been. But we chose it. Unions are what has made the entertainment industry a little better than most to work in. Lets not undermine the effort by being short sighted. When you are 65 and still collecting Motion Picture health insurance benefits – even when the studios are delivering most content to viewers through “alternative” distribution – you will be happy that your health care is still funded well with residuals that still cover that content. This will only happen if the strong unions in town force the studios to do it.
I don’t like the smell of this deal. I’m willing to strike until December. Thing is, my mom’s selling the house, and she said if we don’t sell it by then, well, you know, whatever — I’ll get an apartment.
I wrote for Alf and My Two Dads in the 80’s, and I while I haven’t worked since, I’ve been picketing everyday and I just hate the idea of the DGA deal. And I know who my brothers and sisters are. If Verrone and Young have sold us down the river, screw it — WE’LL BRING THIS INDUSTRY DOWN.
Google and Microsoft, baby!!!
Well, maybe just Google ’cause MS just, like, spent a shitload of money on Yahoo.
But Google, baby! All the way. Down with the studios. For good!
TranspoBill has a good point…no deal has ever been done without some compromise. If everyone walks away just a little unhappy then we know we have a good deal.
This strike may give the writers some gains, but after all the tremendous loss of work, money, creative satisfaction, not to mention the possible permanent changes in the entertainment landscape that will mean less work than ever for the writers…it’s hard to imagine a deal that will make it feel worthwhile, either financially or emotionally.
Sometimes the hardest part is knowing when to declare victory and walk away.
The majority of the WGA working in television fills in the dialogue on an outline created by someone else. Then the creater rewrites the whole damn thing anyway. There are about 1% of you that are actually creating something that entitles you to be striking, the rest of you lemmings should be thankful for the opportunity. When this strike is over, The WGA is going to have to love itself, because the rest of this industry is done with you.
comment to “showrunner” – you should hang your head in shame for comparing showrunners to nazi allies/conspirators. disgusting.
To all of the BTLers who are losing their homes, struggling to feed their children and on their death beds because they don’t have medical coverage, I deliver a new concept. FINANCIAL PLANNING. If you can’t survive for two months without losing your home, starving your kids or dying, I suspect you probably were living beyond your means. I don’t see how that’s anyone’s problem but your own.
I feel for you. I have sympathy for you but I think it may be time for a little self examination. I held three jobs to make ends meet before I got this job writing out here. And if I lose this job, I’ll go get three more. I don’t care if it’s tending bar, flipping burgers or cleaning bathrooms. I will always be able to pay my bills. Why? Because I work hard, am responsible with my money and always make sure I have enough to get me through a rainy day. I don’t drive a nice car, I don’t have a ninety-four inch plasma and i don’t eat out five nights a week.
If we are out for six months, then you have my deepest sympathy. For the two months most of you have been out, you should have been prepared to weather the storm or you you just don’t live in the real world.
I hate to sound like Richard Nixon, but I think there’s a silent majority of us out there that are ready to take this deal and go back to work.
Really spend the time to think about what’s fair and what’s feasible here. If we stay out on strike after this, it’s not going to be over in June and our union will split in two.
We’re not fighting for civil rights here. We’re fighting for a slightly bigger piece of an already big pie. And we made very real gains in these negotiations. I’m standing with my leadership and voting yes.
Jesus. This lunacy has a chance to end, finally, and the crazy people here want to keep striking? The WGA has a chance here to save face for their disgusting, agressive, unwarranted behavior and you might blow it? Get help writers, you’re NOT all that. Never will be. I will say it again…WORK FOR HIRE. Don’t take the jobs, or the paychecks, unless you understand that you are employees. Period.
What I have NEVER seen, ANYWHERE, is the SLIGHTEST bit of sympathy for the damage the WGA has selfishly caused. Every BTL person here who begs for their life back gets a harsh, selfish smack in the face by some deluded coffee slinging wanna be writer. The bottom line is that Agentatanotheragency is correct. The hatred level for writers is THROUGH THE ROOF. You guys are going to feel it for a long time. Yeah, the business might want its tv back. There’s money there. But, do you think that the studios are going to warmly embrace you guys and take first time writers and their specs and shell out big bucks? NO. The buyers are going to do the minimal that they HAVE TO DO to put money back in their pockets. NOT go wildy into welcoming you back with big deals and sales. Why would they? You’ve been greedy, mean spirited, vile assholes the whole time. So not needed. So, you guys go ahead. Stay out there like the uninformed lemmings you were when you voted for this unnecessary strike. Keep it up. You will end up with nothing to come back to. Good for you. Do any of you have brains?
Dear JBGAnonymous,
I am a TV writer. I am so thankful to be working with people like yourself. And I don’t take this strike lightly. But, we writers get a substantial part of our earnings from residuals. We do not get paid the all of our salary when the job is done. Therefore, this strike is unfortuantely necessary. Just because we writers work in an office does not mean the job is cushy. Most of us spent years struggling in this business. When I finally began to work, it took me three years to pay off the debt before considering any type of savings. Also, a writer’s work does not stop at the office or soundstage. It continues at home at all hours. 12-14 hour days are the norm for us, too. Your comments are hurtful, but I have to believe they are just out of ignorance of our situation. Hope to work with you soon.
Man, reading the comments on this board is really a sad spectacle. I think both “sides” are missing the point here, for the most part.
This is my second post to this board and I wanted to mention that I’m a very strong supporter of the WGA and the writers, like most people, but I work in the Internet industry. I’ve done some work on multimedia projects and interactive video, and I suspect that the Net and Hollywood are going to come ever closer, so I have some interest in the outcome of this strike. But I want to mention an outside perspective for those of you fighting it out day after day.
From out here it seems perfectly obvious the AMPTP didn’t intend to negotiate in good faith from the beginning. I mean, their initial offer was ludicrous: NO money for Internet streaming, NO residuals for original Internet content, etc. When they did come back and offer you a “New Partnership” blah blah, it was a paltry, absurd offer. Their PR spin of “New Partnership” was nothing more than Soviet-style propaganda. They wanted to force a strike, because they thought losing part of the season was worth getting what they thought was going to be a better deal in the long run. And the Internet IS the long run.
Those of you “below-the-line” folks who are losing money: don’t blame the WGA for this strike. This thing was clearly in the cards no matter what the WGA did. The AMPTP walked away from the table, they presented a ridiculous deal and then made absurd demands the WGA take “off the table” a series of issues — many of which they later caved on in their DGA negotiations. This strike was the brainchild of Nick Counter and the fools at the AMPTP, and it was NOT forced by the WGA. Remember back when there were rumors the strike might be over early? That was because the WGA thought the AMPTP was going to offer to negotiate in good faith. But then they walked away from the table like spoiled children taking their ball home with them.
Like I said: I’m a completely outside observer but I’ve been following this with a lot of interest. The length of this strike is an AMPTP strategy. It is NOT the fault of the WGA at all (the timing of the strike is WGA — but the AMPTP would have pulled this same strategy obviously had it been done later — but they thought they would have scripts stockpiled at the time — the fact that the WGA struck when it did has SHORTENED the strike and given you writers far more leverage).
However, I do think most of you militant WGA members who deride the DGA deal are also missing the big picture. The DGA deal, bad as it might be, was a hell of a lot different than what the AMPTP was originally trying to get. They caved on many points, including how they compute residuals. I agree the WGA needs to push hard to get a better deal but the DGA deal I think was a clear signal the moguls were starting to sweat.
It’s obvious to me the WGA has the upper hand now and the AMPTP wants to settle. You guys aren’t going to get everything but I predict you’re going to get a pretty good deal.
For those of you who think the WGA strike isn’t about you: give me a break. It’s about you, it’s about SAG and DGA and it’s about the public. Why do I care about this strike? Because the AMPTP is trying to break the union and they’re trying to establish total control. They want to reap all the profits and turn creative people into cogs in their machine. Hollywood, as a whole, is a money-making machine, yes, but it also produces films and shows that together are a major component of the cultural output of the nation. Turning it into a corporate commodity (even more than it is now), taking power away from the writers and other creative people, means taking away power from everyone except the fat cats at the top. If you don’t think this would eventually affect you “below-the-line” people, I think you’re wrong. It would affect you, me, everybody. It would be another nail in the coffin of the power of everyone except the moguls.
WGA: I say to you, wait and see what you get. You have the AMPTP on the run. And more power to you.
BTLers:
Stop! The strike has been on for exactly three months. The first month, you worked shooting existing scripts. The second month were holidays. Maybe you’ve lost a month and a half of actual work. In this business we have all had stretched of unemployment, even hiatus longer than that. If you are really losing your houses after a month and a half, then you were going to lose them anyway. If you are really losing your houses, then it’s bcause you made bad financial decisions (sub prime mortgage anyone?).
Also, writers (and everyone else) are entitled to look after their own financial interests. You would do the same if they tried to strip away your residuals (which are four and a half times as much as we get, btw). Of course, you won’t have to, because we’re going to get the deal for you.
Shut up and you’re welcome.
Take whatevever is offered..If it lasts till June YOUR GUILG WILL BE OVER!!!!!GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Big C
I can guaranty you that if that architect’s building was built by truly unskilled people, that would be the last building he would ever get to put his name on.
You pompous ass!
Congrats to Big C for the most arrogant, obnoxious post in DH history. Further congrats for revealing yourself as a poseur who’s never gotten anything made in this town. I can’t imagine a working writer that has such disrespect for the crew.
Dear Showrunner:
Good post. So, CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE PUBLISH THAT LETTER/LIST WITH THE NAMES of the 30 cowards and creeps trying to get back to work for their own sakes and not supporting their guild.
If these people are so proud of their efforts and believe in what they are doing, they shouldn’t care if we all know who they are. Maybe they could wear special T-shirts or buttons at the meeting at the Shrine on Saturday, showing their solidarity with each other and so that all the rest of us can all know EXACTLY WHO THEY ARE. And thank them appropriately. At least Ridley manned up and has the balls to put his name on what he believes in.
SOMEBODY HAS TO HAVE A COPY OF THAT LIST. LET’S GET IT OUT. I don’t care when, but WE ALL DESERVE TO KNOW WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE. They’re afraid the strike will keep going, but I bet what they’re REALLY afraid of is we’ll all find out who they are –why else keep hiding behind anonymous and not go public in the press or in the guild with their divisive tactics and complaints? Sound like Showrunner is gonna make sure that that list gets out eventually. Probably on that crazy unproven thing called the internet (that most of us, other than these guys, are fighting to get profits from). You all have no power now, except in your own minds. And will have less after every loyal member of your guild knows exactly who you are. And we’ll never forget.
Man, am I sick of all the whining about and from the below the line people who are out of work. First, they blame the writers for the strike which is grossly unfair, especially as none of us wanted it, but were forced into it by the insulting rollbacks and piddling offers of the studio, and even more unfair when you consider that we have a fun to help these out of work workers? Does the AMPTP? Of course not. And second they should be picketing with us! Why aren’t they? F*** them.
happy gate picketer
I stand corrected. The mega picket at fox gets rotated to what NBCU today. My point is there should be a 1000 pickets at each studio everyday. Where is everyone
>>2. There are not 300 dissident “showrunners and important screen writers.” There are maybe 30, if that. And so what? There are thousands of writers in the writers’ guild, and they will make up their own minds.
Here’s something to consider — the term “showrunner” isn’t entirely accurate. Because the actual showrunners — the people who are running and who have created the shows that are on right now — have been out on the line in total support of the guild. They walked away from their shows. I know, because I picket with them. My supposition is that the malcontents are people at that level who probably are not running shows. I’ll bet they’ve all got deals, some of which have been force-majeured. They’re pissed that the strike has upset their sweet ride of “write a shitty pilot, get a hundred grand and my office overhead.” These are people who aren’t in the trenches on shows because, let’s face it, they’re not good enough.
They don’t have staffs to support or protect and if they did, I think we’ve obviously seen how they would react. These are NOT powerful people. They’re arrogant people who think they’re powerful. You get to be called a showrunner if you’re running a show. Otherwise, you’re another useless executive producer. And they’re also craven chickenshits who won’t stand by their beliefs, which tells you exactly what kind of showrunners they would be.
Regarding the possible contract — nobody should get freaked out by any responses here because they do not represent the actual membership. Yes, we all want this to be over. Desperately. But nobody is prepared to vote up or down for a contract that hasn’t even been presented. We are all going to wait until we have the information, and then vote accordingly. We’re not radical crazy people. So don’t worry.
“how do any of you writers now that in 5 years tv/internet will be one in the same?”
I’m not a writer nor do I have any connection to the entertainment industry. I’m just a lowly technology worker who reads this site because I’m a TV fan.
I’m guessing that most are saying that tv/internet will converge within the next 5 years because the technology is in place today. Companies such as Netgear have devices on the market that allow you to watch any file from your computer on your tv. Amazon can deliver a purchased movie or television show to your Tivo for you to watch on TV. Cable and phone companies have spent millions over the past 5-10 years upgrading their infrastructures to digital. Currently, the use of this technology is niche, directed at the most tech savvy consumers. An estimate of 5 years until this is brought mainstream doesn’t seem off to me. All that is needed is someone to bring it mainstream, to make it easy, affordable and uncomplicated for the millions that use their computer just for email and shopping – the less tech savvy consumer. This could be achieved if cable companies partnered with those that have the content today. They already have On Demand for channels such as HBO and for a limited number of movies. Offering any show on demand would exponentially increase their offerings and could potentially allow them to make a lot more money. It could deliver the technology to the masses, be easily adopted as most with cable are quite comfortable using their remote. All that would change is the method of content delivery. Don’t think this is possible? If you have a cable box that you received in the past 3 years look at the back. There’s a port labeled USB that is currently inactive. Guess what that could easily connect? Yes, your computer.
Thank you Nikki for this site. As a viewer its been the one place for me to read and understand what the strike is all about. Also, thanks to all that leave comments here. Its been informative to understand all sides.
Good luck with the negotiations. Hoping everything works out as best as possible for all involved – that the writer’s get a fair deal and everyone involved in bringing television shows and movies to us can get back to work and lift the financial burden they have endured.
Great! That’s one less spec script I have to read during staffing season!
Comment by cable show runner — February 5, 2008 @ 12:30 am
I’m not sure that’s actually legal. From a legal point of view, financial core members are members, and there’s some interesting legal issues there, though I’m not a lawyer. What I’m pretty sure would be illegal would be the WGA providing you with info on which members are fi-core so you can refuse employment to them.
Big C,
Thank you for pointing out the obvious, that I am a cog in your wheel.
All those years “taping cables” together that led to my current (suspended) position as a director of photography were absurd. I should have known that I have no creative input and my devoted crew members even less.
I imagine what it must be like to be you. What a fantastically talented piece of shit you must be to find others so much your inferior. Obviously you’ve no respect for your gardener, your contractor, your kid’s teachers at their school, their soccer coach, your dry cleaner, your checkout clerk at the supermarket, your dog-walker and on and on.
These are your neighbors. Your community. These are the people you write about and yet, if this is the way you see them, you must be an awful writer!
Yeah, everyone back off! Except for the only person who reports during media blackouts! And here’s a five page essay on why I would love the writers to gang bang me, and the studios are a-holes! Which by the way are all complete opinion and FUCK the opinions of people who think the writers have acted like dicks, even a little bit. Those people are full of shit and not entitled to their opinion! Yeah!
Hey “Big C” –
You say you’re not trying to belittle anyone…but c’mon, who are you fooling. You’re showing your arrogance and disdain toward the people who CREATE these shows. This business is a COLLABORATIVE MEDIUM … to only care about you and yours and not sympathize with the people you’ve put out of work really shows what a big “C” you are.
Do people go see Transformers for the amazing writing? No, they go for the GIANT FUCKING ROBOTS ….and who makes those giant fucking robots come to life? Extremely creative artists. Do those artists get residuals for their creation? NO! …and right now, they’re out of work as well.
There are thousands of artists and technicians who’ve devoted their creative talents to making your scripts big hits, and NONE of those people have EVER gotten anything extra past their paychecks. …and many of those people have SUPPORTED YOU in this strike, whether they want to or not.
SHOW SOME FUCKING RESPECT!!!!!!!!!!!
Before we jump on our high horses lets just see what we get in terms of a deal. All we have heard are rumours so lets ind out whats being offered before we completely bash something we havent even seen!
Its a pity that some WGA member cant see pass their own personal agendas. Sad really. Pathetic if anything.
Jimmy said: “It’s a compromise. But the contract sets the precedent of a windowless, straight-up precentage of the DISTRIBUTOR’S GROSS.”
Reports are that it is NOT windowless. The 2% only kicks in after the window. And the question is how much of the streaming revenue is earned during that window? 10%? 50%? 90%?
If it’s 50%, that 2% becomes 1%. If it’s more it becomes even less.
But sadly it is not a “straight-up precentage of the DISTRIBUTOR’S GROSS”.
“Can’t Take It Anymore” — we can’t take you anymore.
I don’t give a shit about losing “goodwill” in Hollywood or being “hated” by this town. Writers have a product to sell. A product without which this town doesn’t exist. If the industry does not wish to pay us what we want for our product, then we take it elsewhere.
Several years ago, I wrote a spec script that every studio rejected because they thought it was “too controversial.” I took the script, turned it into a novel, and then sold it for six figures to one of the top publishers in the US. I made a fortune, and the Hollywood execs were left scratching their heads in shock.
This strike is about product and price. Nothing else. When I sell my house, I don’t worry about the impact my asking price is going to have on other people.
Stop making this about personal things and the suffering of the town etc. We writers have stated our asking price. If the industry doesn’t want to meet it, we take our wares elsewhere.
The tactics of the AMPTP here are amazing. THEY walk away and refuse to talk for about 6 weeks and then all of a sudden want the writers to accept a deal oh-so-quickly to save their precious Oscars. That’s not fair. You have to draft this thing so this “deal” doesn’t fall apart after the Oscars. You can’t trust them.
I’ve learned a lot here on the boards: I didn’t quite get the streaming thing reading that it is BUNDLED really clarified that. WGA members need to trust their leadership as do I, a member of SAG which is bracing for a war with AFTRA as well as the AMPTP. Hear them out before you make your mind up.
And I do agree with the many who have said that you should be prepared for a strike financially. I don’t earn much on the show I work on, in fact, right now, I make more on unemployment, which for the record is $450.00 a week, not $460.00 “Big C”. We all knew this was coming. I can gage to survive a hiatus and even brace myself for the rollback of sit-coms. Some below-the-line people who work in sit-coms have had 2 shows since it’s only a few days a week for them. With the sit-com fading from the television landscape, it’s been down to one show for a lot of people. That amounts to 6-9 days a month for a whole lot of people. And I can gage for a 3-5 month strike that will completely deplete me. But, past that I can’t. Who can? The higher the income, the longer you should be able to survive. But it’s not what you earn, it’s what you save.
Save for the future. Because the future is here, and it’s a battle.
Peggy Lane O’Rourke
Hi BTL’ers –
I love you guys. You bring our scripts to life, and you are the hardest working bunch of folks I’ve seen anywhere, in any business. All the writers I know love and respect their crews, and we’ve done what we can in terms of giving money to the Strike Funds and putting together fundraisers all over NY (where I live) and LA. We will always support IATSE. Part of our drive to get a good deal is to make sure entertainment unions aren’t destroyed by the Big Media companies, and that residuals don’t go away. If we can keep residuals at a fair amount in new media, all the unions involved continue to get their health & pension funds supported (over 50 percent of your H&P fund is funded by residuals) even when broadcast/cable starts being shown primarily through the internet, which is inevitable.
I’m a working writer, and I’ve taken a part-time job at a shipping company (FedEx drop-off centers, they’re hiring!) to help pay the bills during the strike. I’ve stopped picketing because I don’t have time, between working and taking care of my family. I hope you guys have found some part-time work, too.
Very few writers I know that support the strike are going to get any major financial reward even if we get what we want in that contract. It’s not greed we’re striking over, it’s trying to keep our union alive, and not just be pawns the studios can walk all over. And strengthening one union will benefit all of them.
None of us wanted to strike. None of us wanted the AMPTP to walk away from the table for months. We wanted a decent deal, and we will take a decent deal if/when it is offered to us. And we can’t wait to get back to work, just like you. It’s time for those who are below the line and accusatory (that writers are greedy and selfish) to get more educated about what’s going on, and what the writers are really about. I know it’s not easy, because there’s so much misinformation out there, but it’s important. Talk to the writers you know who are supporting the strike, even if you’d rather hit them. Give them a chance.
Hope to see you on set soon…
RJDocky
I hope you are back working at Starbucks where your talent and sensitivity will be appreciated.
Tell me how much I’m suppose to pull out of my savings account to support the writers. To this point, I have supported the writers, but I hope they fully appreciate how much the below the line people are losing. In my opinion, the strike fulcrum has now passed the point to where the demands of a few will NEVER be more than what was lost by others. Larry and Moe are paying for your future today, and believe me, it hurts.
Here two reasons (and there are others) why the writers will never get respect — one of them is they gave their “leaders” strike authorization before really even knowing what the strike-worthy issues were; another is they (the rank-and-file) think they understand the issues and contract language (although they don’t even claim to understand labor relations history in Hollywood — and that’s a shame), but they don’t. That is why they have agents and lawyers. So they won’t make fools of themselves and make bad deals because they are naive and uninformed. As a consequence, without independent representation, the membership signed a contract that gave Verrone et al the right to put ALL of US out to work. WTF.
(A third reason, btw, is the quality of the postings on this blog. Some of you are functionally illiterate.)
To JBGAnonymous: “But, we writers get a substantial part of our earnings from residuals. We do not get paid the all of our salary when the job is done. ”
You do so get your salary when your job is done — 100% of the fee is paid after you submit the final draft. All residuals and reuse fees are speculative and not guaranteed (unless negotiated for in the individual’s deal in addition to the WGA-required minimum terms and conditions). And btw, don’t ignore the fact that most of the showrunners keep most of the episodic scripts in-house — for creative integrity, I’m sure…. — but the result is they keep the residuals for themselves instead of giving freelancers (young and old — if the grey-hairs are even allowed in) some of those fees and residuals. Used to be that the writers’ room was for breaking the stories and rewriting…
Further, this idea that people rely on residuals to pay the bills is so 20th century. Get over it. No one is guaranteed 22 reruns anymore or much of anything else. BTLs have never gotten resids. For the ATLs, most reuse payments (e.g., cable, DVD) are based on a percentage of the gross, not a fixed amount. Try projecting that for your financial planner — have you checked into the actual sales numbers lately? The studios now need revenue from all sources (not just syndication and foreign) to justify a greenlight. Why should they share their contingent revenue with you when they’re not out of the hole yet? Ever heard of the risk/reward ratio? If you haven’t noticed lately, the most successful series aren’t hitting home runs in syndication anymore, much less paying for all the failures. (What other business would pay millions of dollars for stuff that gets shit-canned? Most members can’t even say their scripts have actually been good enough to get produced). And dramas are a challenge as well. Ever check the grosses for Grey’s Anatomy in Brazil? Other countries have figured out how to produce their own shows (or buy formats from producers of successful (US and elsewhere) reality shows; they don’t need subtitled or dubbed episodes of NCIS anymore. You’d be better off creating a reality show with a backend that includes revenue from international format sales and productions. Not to mention that because networks pay 100% of the cost of reality shows (those days should come to an end soon, so jump on board now), you have no loss-carryforwards from production to dampen off-net distribution profits.
Writers should be grateful that they’re not work-for-hire schlubs, demand to go back to work, and recall Verrone and his amateur cronies. You owe it to the rest of us.
Folks, some of you need to take a break from this board. You know the moguls are loving this p*ssing match between BTLers and writers. I’m just a TV fan and someone who recognizes that a win for unions is a win for the vast, vast majority of us. Frankly, the number of shills here is pretty disgraceful. And those of you moguls pimping them, hi!!!! I think those who are concerned (and quite reasonably) about the financial damage to those whose work is linked to the industry should just remember that a win for a union, yes it may cause some short-term damage, but can you really expect the moguls to have any kind of sympathy for the union leadership if the leadership caves at this point? If the union folds now, the WGA will be put over a barrel and whupped. Don’t discount the notion that the PR mess for this has been almost universally negative for the AMPTP. People, particularly when the WGA gets its word out clearly, as it usually does (there’s some beautiful in the irony in the hammering of the AMPTP by creative writers) the PR battle has been dominated by the writers. Don’t think that the bean counters and ad folks aren’t aware of that. Don’t give up too easily writers. Just because we don’t see cracks, doesn’t mean there aren’t any.
One more thing: It will be weeks before the strike is called off and prep starts. All of those 22-ep orders and back orders will not be completed. Some series will not be cutback but most will by at least a few episodes. Thanks to the strike, there’s so much reality in the pipeline already, the nets will quite happily forego those now-not-needed episodes and save money in the process.
Listen, go ahead and stay out until June and then get the actors to join you and then all of you can watch amateurs on reality series when you get home from the picket lines. If you haven’t noticed, DGA members do get hired for reality series, but WGA members do not, nor are SAG/AFTRA performers. A union card pretty much means you CAN’T be a contestant. If the WGA and SAG are on strike in June and through the summer, they’re just kissing more jobs permanently goodbye.
Passion doesn’t always win the day and just because you’re right doesn’t mean you’ll win. We started this strike bringing a knife to a tank battle. If we don’t do a deal now, it just gets worse. The Guild will be busted within months and the war will have been for nothing. We’re not in a battle with NBC, we’re at war with GE. This is a tiny setback on their balance sheet. Are your pockets as deep as theirs? I doubt it… This is not the 1950s and we don’t work for GM. The world has changed. We live in Pottersville, not Bedford Falls, and the townfolk aren’t coming to bail us out because we’re such wonderful people.
If some people want to die screaming their Rebel Yell, that’s their business. A lot of other people just want to write and live their lives.
As a (non-WGA) writer, I’m completely disgusted by Big C’s attitude. I’m sorry, but no one writes in a vacuum in any industry. Even the best novelist still needs a good editor. To spit on people who, like you, just want to make a living in an industry and a job they (hopefully) love is reprehensible.
That said, I can understand why writers are frustrated by the whole “Shut up and vote yes whatever the deal” vibe that’s going around. The fight for the future of residuals is an essential one, and it is the right of the writers to strike for a fair deal. It just sucks that one of the results is thousands upon thousands of industry jobs held hostage.
Here’s hoping that the deal presented to the writers is one that’s fair enough to be acceptable to the membership. And here’s hoping that, in the meantime, the vitriol on both sides stays at a minimum.
Just looked at the comments and saw the first one was from one of my fellow strikers at the Van Ness Gate at Paramount. (AKA – the happy gate). Uh – all twelve people agreed? To what? I thought the board member who came to take “our temerature” (Nancy…) was completely inappropriate. She was giving us her point of view and urging us all to email the Guild that we wouldn’t take a deal with a flat rate. ($1200). In short – there was no temperature taking – rather it was soliciting for her personal position regarding a deal that she had no details or knowledge of. Very frustrating. I felt there was no concensus among my fellow picketers – and believe that we followed Patrick, David, and John into this battle, we should at least hear what they’ve accomplished before rushing to judgement.
GC-
I’m a below the liner so I know that what we do is important, and to say we’re expendable is just arrogance – I completely agree with you.
BUT – In all honesty, the example you used was funny to me, because I DID go to see Transformers because of the writing team involved. I know I am in the minority there, but my point is that I didn’t go see Transformers because I thought, I bet a script about robots/cars is gonna be really good. I went because I knew the names of the screenwriters and their past work gave me faith in them that it would be a good story. I don’t know anyone who saw the movie because they heard so-in-so is doing the special effects (besides maybe his mother). I’m not saying that person wasn’t incredibly important to that movie getting made, because he/she was. All I’m saying is that…. well really I’m not saying anything other than, you’re wrong.
I saw Transformers because of the the writers.
There are a lot of assholes on this board, but between “Big C” and “RJDocky,” you two take the cake. “I don’t see how this is anybody’s problem but your own.” Good luck with your futures belittling those who don’t have a say in this! Nice work comparing anyone who’s not a writer to a “commuter” on a bus! May your hands be slammed in a car door!
As for the negotiations (which someone pointed out, contains producer’s GROSS, which we’ve all been fighting for), I hope cooler heads prevail and the knowledge that this actually seems to be a step forward be emphasized.
Come on people. No one has the right to work in any industry. If you don’t like the fact that you work in a unionized industry and strikes will happen work somewhere else or take come personal responsibility for your circumstances.
Have a rainy day fund.
Buy a Kia instead of an SUV.
In short be an adult. Don’t blame the writers or the studios when the true culprit is yourself. You have to be prepared for this kind of stuff and be better prepared next time. Real simple- stop thinking other people control your fate- you control what happens to you by your own actions or inactions.
Big C said this:
“Everyone chose the line of work they are in. If it can’t pay the bills, then quit and find something else to do. We all chose this work and this industry – no one is forced into Entertainment. If you can’t handle driving a truck for “Dexter” then go drive a truck for UPS. Just like if I don’t want to write for “Two And A Half Men” then I can choose to drive a truck for UPS. Or I can start my own business. Or I can go broke. If no one wants to buy my spec script, do I demand craft services give me free food?”
Big C, you just layed out, brilliantly I might add, just why unions are worthless and outdated. The best thing that could happen is for the studios to bust the unions. There would never be another strike.
Always remember: Unions breed mediocrity.
To non-WGA members posting irate comments,
Throughout the decades that I worked as a techie on both coasts and around the world, I have always known that at any moment and for any reason, I could be out of work for months at a time, due to the nature of our Industry. I, and everyone I worked with, always maintained a 4 month buffer fund, even though most of us were fortunate enough to never have to use it. Until now.
This is an Industry town. I can’t believe that after only 3 months, so many are already on the verge of “destruction”. It’s not like we didn’t have A YEAR to prepare for this strike. Now, I realize that there are those who have children, with unexpected expenses, who suddenly find themselves in the position to act as care-givers to adult relatives. At the best of times, this is financially and emotionally stressful, to say the least, and for them, my heart goes out.
However, I don’t believe that those are the people posting angry and inflammatory comments here. I’m willing to bet that they are too busy finding and working on alternative sources of income, as we all should be.
“Destruction” is relative; people all over the world face financial “destruction” every day. Until you are living in a cardboard box, working 60+ hours a week at hard labor for 30 cents with no overtime or health care, in a country where you are stuck for life with what you have, and people with guns make sure you “know your place”, you have options. Explore them.
And if the uncertainty of living in an Industry town is too stressful for you, consider moving to a place with a more diversified economy and a lower cost-of-living. If in June, my tiny fledgling business and I go bankrupt, that’s what I’ll be doing. And I’ll happily take a job doing manual labor for an hourly wage that will probably treat me well enough to keep a roof of some sort over my head and food in my belly, thanks to Laborers who stood up to Management and got us guidelines for fair treatment in the workplace.
And I will be able to build a new life, because I live in the US, where anything is possible.
If you really don’t want to spend the time exploring your options instead of hanging out here, making noise that in the end, really won’t make a difference in the outcome of this Labor Action, perhaps you could find something else to do while the WGA continues its quest for a fair deal. Books are good. And the library is free.
Helpless anger and frustration will eat your soul. I wish you well.
your probably the only one on the planet who saw it for the writers lol. and you people honestly think the amptp is paying people to post on these boards…? get real, theres so many of us (btl) out of work that we have nothing better to do but post messages on these boards!
After the strike is over things will return to normal…noone is gonna be talking to writers but thats ok, most BTLers who are not the keys/bb dont really mess with production to begin with.
I am a vendor to below the line people. When they work, I work; when they don’t, I don’t. The crews and their vendors are the ones who make writers’ words into films. We are the ones who transform you from short story writers to screenwriters. This is a very important concept. Without all of us, it’s just words on paper.
We all know you could care less about us. We all know that virtually none of you could name 80% of the crew positions besides director. Generally that’s OK.
As far as residuals for creative input, most of us would rather not pay attention to it, as we feel that there are many people on the crew who provide just as creative an input on the show as the writer, none of whom get residuals (post-60’s are not the same a check with your name on it). It’s not fair, but most of the time, we take the attitude that it is none of our business what you get.
The problem arises when it begins to cost us money; then it IS our business, and we have opinions – lots of them. What is it about writers that allows you to be so self-centered you actually believe that your needs are so much more important than the lives of the rest of us? So pompous you can be comfortable putting tens times your numbers out of work to advance your cause? So un-caring you can allow this to happen? This is a morally reprehensible position. This is the exact attitude that most intelligent people despise about big business – putting one small group’s needs above those of everyone else.
How dare you posture about your future when it is forged at the expense of so many other people? We are your colleagues. We make your dreams reality. You should support us. If you’re not going to do that, you could at least leave us alone. You say we are you brothers and sisters, but you have not acted like it.
Did you ask us if we minded the inconvenience of being without work and losing healthcare, homes, etc? No.
Regardless of what you get in your contract, will we benefit from it? No. In fact, we will likely see smaller raises and smaller budgets to help pay for your gains.
No one should kid themselves. This is not “The Good Fight.” There are no advances the IA could achieve from anything in your contract that would begin to balance out the hundreds of millions of dollars we have lost because of this strike.
This is selfish people so greedy and self-centered that they are willing to cost over a hundred thousand people their livelihoods. How can you write about caring and compassion? How can you write about family and home, when you are destroying all of that with your actions? Do you not know what you are doing? Do you truly not care? Do you not have the courage to stand up for someone else?
I guess it is time to realize that great lines like, “You were my brother; you should have looked after me…” are just that. Words on paper.
We’re not fighting for civil rights here
THANK YOU!!!!
Best comment written in months. Our country is in peril. Please vote today for whomever you see fit to set us on a more positive course.
In the meantime, yes “creative writing” for studios and networks is, like it or not, a voluntary act in order to make tons of cash.
If you love to write so much, by all means, write a novel. But take it from someone who not only has but has gotten paid to do so, just like crime, IT DON’T PAY.
TV and Movies, however, do. Lots. So be grateful.
And think about that on your way to the meeting on Saturday: If your writerly ancestors had received a thousandth of what you make today they would never have made such great art.
Klaatu-
You are extremely prone to exaggeration. Why do you keep pressing that 4 times residuals position? That four times residuals per airing is divided amongst the tens of thousands that make up the entire membership of the IA, not just the few individuals like the writers, actors and directors. $.20 per DVD / x0000 is what fraction of a penny? The annual total of the residual contribution on my husband’s last year’s earnings statement was a little over $1200 (I know it’s that magic number you all hate from the DGA deal)from full time IA employment for my husband. That post 70s income does not pay for our current health coverage. We only get to take advantage of these funds after retirement if we manage to become vested and earn enough years and hours in the industry to qualify for a retirees pension and healthcare. It is in no way equivilant to what writers make in residuals. Writers get residuals now and get healthcare and pension too when they retire.
Your timeline is complete BS too. The first month was not everyone shooting existing scripts. Most sitcoms and a lot of dramas shut down within a week of the start of the strike. Some made sure they were wrapped before the 4th of November. Were those btlers absorbed into the fully staffed shows that were still filming or just starting to film…..NOOOO! There are many IATSE btlers that usually work full time for studios and not individual productions that don’t usually get a whole month off for the holidays usually so you can’t claim that month 2 was holiday party time.
So for a great many number of IA members and folks that work in what are usually full time, year round positions or support companies that service the industry that are non-union this has been 3 months of little to no work and no residual checks from existing work to help tide us over. The unemployment benefit cap in this state is a complete joke when you compare it to the usual income of a working IA member and the cost of living in Los Angeles, so what savings we have evaporate quickly even if you have lived within your means and managed to sock away 10% a week.
As for “Shut up and you’re welcome,” since when do people thank people for their contribution to the shitstorm that is costing them their savings, and for the less fortunate (hey not everyone is smart with money) costing them homes, marriages, cars and their credit rating. The existing language in the IA contract is already broad enough that our residuals are protected from advances in technology since there’s no specification on distribution method when it comes to our percentage of receipts going into pension and welfare. The contentious issues in current WGA/SAG/DGA negotiations have from what I’ve read zero bearing on IATSE’s future contracts when it comes to residuals. If the AMPTP decides to try and take IATSE’s residuals away in our future negotiations it will have nothing to do with re-runs, syndication, DVDs, downloads or intenet streaming.
If the WGA guild leadership decides that they have a workable deal that SAG won’t poo poo out of the gate, that will be the end of the strike. You don’t get to vote on when the strike ends. You’ve entrusted the leadership to make that decision for you just like you authorized them to start the strike at their discretion. Working writers will be back to work before the final language is even drafted and all of us can start rebuilding our finances.
I saw Transformers because of the the writers.
Comment by happy gate picketer — February 5, 2008 @ 11:21 am
Do you really expect us to believe that?
JoeCool, unions often do breed mediocrity, particularly those that oppose merit pay, but not in this industry. Notes breed medicrity, and those come from the network, the studio and sometimes the actors.
(And setting aside all the acrimony here, I have never found any mediocrity to be the fault of my colleagues below the line.)
I saw Transformers because of the the writers.
Comment by happy gate picketer — February 5, 2008 @ 11:21 am
LOL. Thanks, I needed a laugh.
Hilarious — more and more lectures from writers to BTLers. Never sympathy.
The writers can say what they want — the truth is, this strike didn’t HAVE to be done now and all options weren’t exhausted. The WGA leadership thought the strike was the best course and convinced the membership and none of you seem to have any regard at all for the consequences, much less compassion for those affected.
Big C,
You’re an ass.
Teamsters and other below the line workers, thank you for doing a job I could never do and for all your support during the strike.
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
Folks, do any of you really believe that anyone of consequence believes what ‘Big C’ posts? That WGA Writer/Producers don’t know that every piece of the engine that makes television and movies is vitally important? We respect and appreciate the contributions you all (pre-production, production, post production) make and know that we could not do our jobs without you. I, for one, am in awe of the creative abilities of my ENTIRE crew. And I hope they know that. I try to tell them as often as I can anyway.
Please remember that a shill can take many forms and stirring up anger between the unions is a pretty standard part of the playbook. I seriously urge you to take any ‘anonymous’ post (or some assinine handle like ‘Big C’) with a grain of salt.
Ed Bernero
Can’t Take It Any More writes:
>>To those of you who are trying to claim that I’m being hysterical, I’m not. Sure, I can change careers eventually, but the damage has already been done and if the strike goes on any longer, there will just be more damage done–not just to me and my family, but hundreds, if not thousands, of others. It’s not like I can just snap my fingers and magically have another career. These things take time.<<
Let’s assume for the moment that your previous post (”lives will be destroyed forever”) was written in a moment of frustration and that you aren’t, in fact, as hysterical as your words would paint you. As another poster pointed out, this is a unionized industry. We all knew that going in; it wasn’t a surprise. (Unless, say, you’re approximately 110 years old.) And with several unions being involved in the industry, the trickle down effect of one going on strike simply must be taken into consideration.
Not being a member of the WGA, you may not have all the information or the perspective of a writer. How could you? It must be exceedingly frustrating to have no say in the WGA’s resolution. I get that, but it’s a fact.
However, as a writer, I am in a similar situation as you, perhaps even more dire. I was not working on a show when the strike started and when it ends I don’t have one to go back to. I have had a pretty decent career, but for the foreseeable future, I have no income. And yet, I have children to support and rent to pay — don’t even own a house… an indirect result of the accepted vagaries of the business. When this strike began, I realized it might mean the end of my writing career. Right then and there I accepted that possibility. After all, the indications were that the strike would last several months. So I began to look elsewhere because, as you pointed out, starting a new career takes time.
This is not the first time this has happened. I used to work in the oil and gas exploration industry which suffered a complete bust in a short amount of time. Men and women with 15 to 20 years experience suddenly found themselves having to start new careers because of something that was beyond their control (OPEC). It was a punch to the gut, to say the least, but my co-workers and I moved on.
So once again I’ve had to learn to tighten my belt. I find less expensive ways to be a good father to my children and to enjoy life. I have used the lead time the strike has given me to look into new, interesting lines of work, should that become necessary. That’s really the point: is anyone taking this time to discover what else it is he or she can possibly do?
No one ever guaranteed us that we’d get to have a lifelong career doing exactly what we want to do. Some people are lucky that they get to do that. Me? I feel lucky I’ve had the opportunity to work in television, but I also feel lucky that I may discover — through difficult and trying circumstances — that there are other satisfying and worthwhile careers.
And that’s what I did over vacation… er, strike.
BTL MOM
Right on. These people really don’t know how our residuals work. I tried to explain it to a picket in November. She just didn’t get it and went on to talk to some guy about Star Wars. So I will say it again Health and Welfare comes for the hours we work. The residuals we get go to our pension and IAP.
BTW the Transformers wasn’t that great. Michael Bay lots of loud noise.
wait till the media hits the WGA with a BTL’s perspective of the strike if they dont reach a deal by the end of the week…ooooo boy the writers are gonna be in trouble!
BTL Mom –
55% of IATSE’s health and pension fund is funded by residual payments. So, no, it wouldn’t show up on your husband’s earning statement, but if residuals where eroded to nothing your health plan would go bancrupt.
Just because you don’t get the cash directly, doesn’t mean you don’t get residuals. Sorry if you don’t want to believe it, but it’s true.
All that aside, if you want to blame someone for the woes caused by the strike, blame the studios who could’ve made Friday’s offer in October. They didn’t because they wanted a strike. They calculated that a strike would be PROFITABLE as long as it ended by February 15th. They planned it and forced our hand. Why not be angry at them?
RJ Rocky-
Wow, thanks for the lesson on financial planning. I feel so much more enlightened. You’re probably voting for McCain so what can we BTL people expect?
I’m not in the union, I rely on scripted television to eat and I can’t believe that I’ve got more heart than some of you people.
Now that there’s more than an appetizer missing from the table it’s time to fold up?
To the crew members who have been insulted by a few writers’ ridiculous and callous statements and hardline stance toward the end of this strike, please know that there are other writers and showrunners who deeply value your creative instincts and input to our TV programs and Films. I know that without the help of my ingenious, caring, and often inventive crews that I would be clueless as the writers who believe we shouldn’t go back to work.
Thank You Below The Line…!!!!!
I’m always amazed when 3rd parties complain about how striking unions are hurting them and insist that those unions should take them into account when making their decisions about striking. The reality is that when unions strike, they cannot take into consideration how the strike will affect 3rd parties, because management is certainly not going to take that into account. When a union even thinks about 3rd parties, they’ve lost the battle. It’s over, finished, period.
3rd parties often get hurt by events that have nothing to do with them or even who they work for. The government changes trade policy in a way that destroys a widget manufacturer because of trade sanctions by other governments. A business owner torches his building and the fire spreads and burns down the entire block, including the pizzeria that was just opened the month before. The city decides to reconstruct a street blocking all foot traffic from reaching the neighborhood deli. A supermarket that’s only breaking even closes, resulting in a sharp reduction of traffic to that shopping center and a crushing loss of business to the previously successful diner there. A government simplifies the tax code, thus putting many tax preparers out of business.
In all these cases, 3rd parties get hurt because of decisions that were made that had nothing to do with them directly. No one involved in any of these transactions on either side will think about the effects on those 3rd parties.
If the writers start thinking about the technicians being hurt by their strike, and the next year striking technicians think about the writers being hurt, both the writers and the technicians will end up losers.
Klaatu
Please check your facts with an IA rep. They will enlighten you.
There seems to be a strange tendency to regard Internet streaming as something insignificant. What do people imagine, that it’s about a couple of geeks straining there eyes over a tiny youtube.com window? It’s much bigger than that. For example, cable companies already have all the necessary technology and equipment, they are doing everything digitally, the have the lines (they provide Internet on the same cables), the only thing they need to do is to do minor adjustments to their protocol, make it comply with a couple Internet stndards if it does not yet, download new software in consumers’ set-top boxes and presto – their subscribers will be watching the same stuff they are watching now, on their same big-screen TV, they might not even notice the change – but everything they watch, everything will be technically streaming over Internet. How’s that for a “there’s no money in streaming”?
To all you BTL and other who are complaining about what we writers are “doing” to you by striking to get a fair deal: Shut up. You knew a full year ago this strike was a very real possibility. You also knew these conglomerates are greedy bastards who REFUSED TO NEGOTIATE WITH US for months and months leading up to the expiration of our contract. You should have been preparing for this strike. Saving your money. If you’re losing your home or going hungry, I feel badly for you, but I don’t feel responsible. Don’t blame writers for your inability to properly plan for your family’s financial well-being. We’re suffering, too. But most of the writers I know (working or otherwise) took responsibility for themselves and their families and made a plan. Quit whining. Our residuals form the basis for your pension plan. We’re doing this for you, too. You’re welcome.
One thing is for sure, we – WGA members – should not worry about how the press might spin a rejection of the deal. I’m not advocating rejection, simply saying that what the press does shouldn’t affect our votes one way another. Yesterday, Michael Moore very publicly floated the idea of starting a penny-mailing campaign to the studio heads if they don’t offer us a FAIR deal. Just one example that there will always be well-informed public forces to counter-balance any negative reporting on a rejection of the offer. Plus, with SAG’s stake in all this, the public will see the actors publicly supporting our membership as well, and then they’ll understand just how big the stakes are. We struck for a fair deal. When it comes time to vote, let that be your internal barometer.
And by the way, I know how hard this is on all the BTL’ers and everyone who makes a production possible. If the writers don’t accept this new offer, it’s not because we’re selfish pricks, but because the studios haven’t even come close to our very reasonable demands. The companies have bargained in bad faith all along, and any member of any union should understand that. So send your anger that way where it belongs. It might even speed things up.
One thing is for sure, we – WGA members – should not worry about how the press might spin a rejection of the deal. I’m not advocating rejection, simply saying that what the press does shouldn’t affect our votes one way another. Yesterday, Michael Moore very publicly floated the idea of starting a penny-mailing campaign to the studio heads if they don’t offer us a FAIR deal. Just one example that there will always be well-informed public forces to counter-balance any negative reporting on a rejection of the offer. Plus, with SAG’s stake in all this, the public will see the actors publicly supporting our membership as well, and then they’ll understand just how big the stakes are. We struck for a fair deal. When it comes time to vote, let that be your internal barometer.
And by the way, I know how hard this is on all the BTL’ers and everyone who makes a production possible. If the writers don’t accept this new offer, it’s not because we’re selfish pricks, but because the studios haven’t even come close to our very reasonable demands. The companies have bargained in bad faith all along, and any member of any union should understand that. So send your anger that way where it belongs. It might even speed things up.
Klaatu what good is that 55% if we aren’t getting the hours required for the benefit?.
Maybe the studios did want a strike and wanted to save some money, because they predicted that the WGA would be foolish enough to threaten a strike and actually do it, knowing the ramifications the writers would get from many BTL people and are therefore allowed to use the force majeure to end contracts.
So, in the end the studios knew the writers would strike, only causing dissident in their own guild and pretty much making them the mockery of a production by causing so many to lose their jobs. Now this week rolls around and suddenly there is supposedly a deal right around oscar time. Its probably the same deal that would have been offered if the WGA had went into EARLY negotiations like many people had suggested including IATSE President Tom Short.
Sad WGA Writer,
Nikki moderates the hell out of these comments. In fact most of my remarks never get posted. Which means you all missed out on my Jeff Zucker/colon joke a few weeks back.
I think it’s time for everyone to slow down and take a deep breath. Does anybody here really think that Verrone, Young and Bowman would get behind an agreement that screws the writers? Not a chance.
If our leadership is supporting the deal, there’s a good reason for it. So let’s all calm down and study the deal carefully. No, it won’t be everything we wanted, but it will be everything we can get. Verrone, Young and Bowman were in the room negotiating, none of us were there.
It’s easy to second-guess our leadership from the comfort of home, but you’re wasting your time and energy. Instead of swinging at piñatas in the dark, come to the meeting this weekend and get the full story.
Barney: Um, who said I’m not a writer? I *am* a WGA member.
Big C is obviously trying to insinuate that he is Chuck Lorre. I’m sure he’s not, but I hope he his. Because if he isn’t, he really owes Mr. Lorre a huge apology. Because that guy is never going to be able to safely eat his craft service without special ingredients again. And he better have a relative bring him his Starbucks. I’ve seen PAs and a couple bitter Crafties in action, and some writers can’t always rely on the pristine delivery of their food.
To all other writers (the real ones and the ones who voiced sympathy instead of disdain) Thank you for all the jobs, support, and contributions to PH&W. Hope you get a good deal, now or later.
I sincerely hope that all the non-writers out there understand that the callous and appalling comments made about “below-the-line” people by sociopaths like Big C are not reflective in the least of the way most writers, at least most writers I’ve met, feel about all the non-writers with whom we writers are fortunate enough to work on a daily basis.
I’m a late night TV comedy writer, and to be honest, I’ve never used the term “below-the-line” in my life before now, mainly because before this strike I had never even heard of the term. I admit, that’s pretty damn ignorant of me, but the fact is that I’ve always thought of all the non-writers at our show–the crew members, office staff, musicians, stagehands, etc.–as co-workers, pure and simple. I’m also lucky enough to call many of them my very close friends. Our show simply wouldn’t be possible without the input of all of those great people, and I’ve never personally met another writer who didn’t understand that, even though some writers are obviously less openly appreciative than others.
It’s beyond awful to me that so many non-writers have been caught in the middle of all this crap. I completely understand all the resentment and anger those people are feeling, and it really pisses me off that this strike had to happen at all. The fact is, however, that the AMPTP gave us no choice. Unless, of course, you consider the option of either going on strike or eating a big ol’ shit sandwich a “choice”, and maybe some people do. Like everyone else, I just hope a fair deal can be reached, or has already been reached, and we can all get back to work very soon.
Um…. what makes the rank and file think they’re going to be allowed to vote on this? They’re not. The board will.
News flash – you don’t always get what you want. It’s not that kind of world.
This makes me sick…Is this industry getting worse everyday or what ?????? YES IT IS!!!! This strike is showing people for who they really are. Thinking that there better then the rest of the us becuase of there job .
We all create whether it’s with paper and pen , fabric and thread, light and sound or mind and body. Please lets all treat each other with the respect and dignity that EVERY person deserves . { Can’t you just hear the national anthem in the background ? }
IATSE and dam proud of it !!!!
Patcracks, people like you have been talking shit about writers for months. And the corporate media has indeed spread your bullshit. Yet, remarkably, the American public remains solidly behind us.
Get off your jealous ass and create something from scratch. I dare you. Lock yourself in a room alone for days, weeks, and see if you can write a script that will create a movie or TV series from nothing. See f you can create jobs for thousands of people just by coming up with something purely from your imagination.
Until you do that, you are just another jealous, lazy leech who lives off the creativity of writers. People like you have been around since the Stone Age, trying to steal the limelight from the creative visionaries. People like you pissed on Homer, Ovid, Shakespeare, Tennessee Williams and Arthur Miller, and yet they kept creating.
The creative work of great writers can live on for centuries. There are writers on the picket line today that will be studied in film schools one hundred years from now.
You and the rest of of the cheap seats will be forgotten.
Working TV Exec Producer said,
“Our residuals form the basis for your pension plan. We’re doing this for you, too. You’re welcome.”
Is this just a really poorly constructed sentence or are you really implying that writers residuals help pay for our pension plan?
Either way… wrong…wrong and thanks for nothing.
I can’t say it any plainer than that.
To the BTL folks who feel as if writers are snobbish or standoffish on the sets of shows, rarely speaking to them, ignoring them, I would personally like to apologize if I have ever done that. The next time I have the opportunity to be more cordial, I will. In the past, though, I have always tried to say hi and introduce myself as much as possible. (For that matter, I dated a grip I met on set for awhile.)
Most of the writers I have worked with over the years don’t feel superior to anyone on a show. My experience has been that we sit around with each other for hours on end, then walk down to the stage for a half hour for a run through, during which we focus on trying to laugh really loud at our own jokes so they stay in the script. Certainly there is a chance to socialize a bit. But writers, on the whole, are not the most socially competent folks I’ve run into, either. So it may be that what you’re seeing as snobbish is ineptitude.
It may not be said or shown often enough, but I believe writers do have a great appreciation for what you do. Hopefully an increased awareness on both sides will be a positive outcome of this strike.
Thank you for all your tireless work.
Big C -
Only a few select exec producers received “special ingredients” in their food in past years. I can’t wait for the strike to end. Bon Appetit!
Do bear in mind, all. You can’t tell who’s what on this board. We could all be plumbers from saltgrass for all any of us know. It’s a shills wet dream. There are shills pretending to be angry BTL. There are shills pretending to be arrogant writers.
Ignore all of it. And hang loose. AAMPTP is about to try to shove a less than good deal up WGA’s collective caboose, and if the members can hang tough and keep cool heads, and hang on for just a bit longer, it’s going to be good for everyone down the road.
REAL BTL folks stood with us in the beginning, knew it would be a long haul, and are still with us.
Bottom line, hope a fair deal is offered soon. Look at it with a reasonable but critical eye. If it’s fair support taking it, if it’s not politely say, no, and go buy a new pair of shoes.
The mogals ain’t gonna screw with SAG, and they want the writers to cave on a sub par deal so they can wave it at SAG, just like they did to us with the DGA deal. If writers hang tough, everyone wins.
Next time your WGA ass gets in a van for a scout, walks on a set, or
enters a cutting room , all this ranting will come back and bite you in the ass. Your leadership has dragged you into a new era, one of hatred, divisiveness, animosity and a huge lack of respect because of your self rightiousness and callousness towards those who turn your words into
so much more. Next time you think of having a tone meeting, why dont you just masturbate alone and save us from having to listen to what you couldn’t put into words on a page. Douchebags.
Right on, barney. I echo your sentiments. Except I’ve never dated a grip.
YOU PEOPLE ARE THE MOST SELFISH I HAVE EVER SEEN. I AM A (LOWLY) BELOW THE LINE EMPLOYEE. AT LEAST THAT IS WHAT YOU ALL WOULD HAVE US TO BELIEVE. DO YOU NOT CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE YOUR WORDS COME TO LIFE? IT IS APPARENT TO MOST OF US “IA” PEOPLE THAT YOU DO NOT NOW, NOR HAVE EVER CARED ABOUT YOUR CREW. WE, THE PEOPLE WHO DELIVER THE BLOOD,SWEAT AND TEARS TO “MAKE” YOUIR WORDS COME TO LIFE ARE “OVER” ALL OF YOU. YOU WERE SUPPORTED BY MOST OF US WHEN THIS STRIKE BEGAN. NOW, WE ALL JUST WANT TO EAT,PUT GAS IN OUR CARS, PAY RENT OR MORGAGE IF WE STILL HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE. ALL YOU TALK ABOUT IS MAKING SURE YOU HAVE MONEY COMING IN LATER,WELL SO DO WE. DOES THAT MEAN WE HAVE TO BECOME WRITERS OR PRODUCERS. WHERE IS OUR STRIKE FUND MONEY? WHERE IS OUR FREE FOOD AND COFFEE. YOU ALL “GET” THINGS FOR FREE ALL THE TIME AND IN THIS HORRIBLE SITUATION YOU ARE STILL GETTING FREEBIES…GROW UP! THINK OF THE LIVES YOU ARE DESTROYING. THERE ARE KIDS GOING WITHOUT FOOD AND HOUSING ,SO YOU GUYS CAN HAVE THE FANCY CARS AND FANCY HOMES. ARE YOUR KIDS GOING WITHOUT ANYTHING? ARE YOU? THAT IS THE QUESTION ALL OF YOU SHOULD BE ASKING YOURSELVES. LOOK IN THE MIRROR AT NIGHT AND SEE WHO IS DESTROYING THE LIVES OF MANY. CAN YOU LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND FEEL GOOD ABOUT YOURSELVES? I AM SURE MOST CAN ,BECAUSE YOU FEEL YOU ARE BETTER THAN THE LOWLY IA CREW THAT WORKS 14,16,18 HOURS A DAY TO MAKE ALL OF YOU HAPPY. SHAME- SHAME ON ALL OF YOU.
Don’t Mess with Writers
Your some piece of work. I bet you went to USC. They teach elitism there. I’m not jealous of you, not in the least. I pity you. You lack human compassion. You invoke the names of Homer, Ovid, Shakespeare, Tennessee Williams and Arthur Miller. You know what made them great and lasting, human compassion. Something you should learn before you can be truly great. Sometimes greatness is in one’s own mind.
Can’t Take It Any More: My mistake. I took from what you had written that you were writing from a BTL standpoint.
Newsflash: The use of “newsflash” is deprecated.
Get off your jealous ass and create something from scratch. I dare you. Lock yourself in a room alone for days, weeks, and see if you can write a script that will create a movie or TV series from nothing. See f you can create jobs for thousands of people just by coming up with something purely from your imagination.
Ladies and gentlemen, the writer from the popular 80’s sitcom, Growing Pains.
“Now that we got each other . . .”
Safety Pass, GC, BTL mom, etc. – you didn’t get that I was writing. I was being direct, not inflammatory, and on top of that, I was reponding from a statement from a blow-the-line staffer who said, quite simply, that I should take a bad deal so that he can go back to work, and even then I would not be welcome… ON MY OWN SET.
Sorry, but I should not be forced into fiscal mediocrity because of someone else’s career choices. We all chose this industry, and stability and guarantees don’t exist. I survived on $12,000-20,000 a year for 11 years before I had any traction, and success didn’t come for another 5 years. Why should I take less than the best contract possible? And IASTE’s leadership has been less than supportive and even back-stabbing in this strike, so I don’t have much love for that particular union in general.
But when it comes to the substance of your ire, the fact remains that costumes, cinematography, the manual labor and craft services… none of those are the production, they are facets of someone’s genesis. No one sees a great dress or hears a great foley sound and says “hey, let’s build a movie and invest $40 million around that!” No one goes to a movie because they heard Joe Blank was a great driver, or because the rocks were painted perfectly. Those are important aspects, but they are aspects to a production, and there are many people who could perform those tasks. I am not belittling their contribution, I am defining it.
The individual artisans and workers, I hire. And I fire sometimes as well. But those ranks coming and going to not derail a production. A writer, director or actor leaving a production does.
That’s not arrogance, that is acknowledging the pecking order of this, or any, business.
BTL mom – I didn’t say IASTE were not creative or craftsman, but they did not create the production, the story, the deal or the dream. They applied focused creative talents to facets of someone else’s story, and that story is the reason there is a production. They worked at the DIRECTION or DIRECTIVE of a story or a producer. And they can apply those talents to someone else’s context. They didn’t invent the force behind anything. NO ONE goes to a movie because Edith Head made the dresses or Mel Bourne designed a set – as great as those artisans are… and they certainly don’t go to a movie because Diablo Cody did the foley… though they do go because she wrote the script.
Very few people go to a movie because Writer X wrote (but often do in television) or Director X directed it, but at the same time it was Writer X that invented the world that the other craftsmen or artisans apply their talents to. Now, my point is that how many different foley artists could have been hired to do the same job, vs. how many writers could crate the same output? The ratio is considerably narrower if not singular.
Please, avoid the derisive comments about cookie-cutter TRANSFORMERS crap, particular writers turn out JUNO, SUNSET BOULEVARD, etc. those are singular talents How many people could have made the same costumes from DIVING BELL vs. how many people could have written or directed that brilliant film?
It is not a matter of talent. It is a matter of context. And simply, the blow-the-line are not the driving force of a movie’s content, they are support of someone else’s vision. That is why they are below the line.
How many gaffers could you have on The Shield that do the same quality job – maybe 4000 or 5000 thousand? Now, how many people could write those brilliant scripts? That number is much, much less – maybe 4 or 5.
Agree with me or not, or mistake bluntness with insult, it’s your burden, not mine. These are the facts of this business.
To quote Herr Wilder “It is time the piano realize it did not write the concerto!”
And no one can tell me why I should not get paid when iTunes collects 1.99 for an episode of a television show I made. The network’s cost for creating it digitally was $.09 and collects $1.42 per download on average per show. So tell me why I, as the creator of that show, should collect the 4.5 cents for that download. Same applies to streaming with similar overhead. Why should we give that up?
Does any other union take less money so that someone else can make more? No. You don’t even take less so that someone else can stay the same. That is why this is the writers contract. In a few months, if IASTE wants a new contract, well they can ask for our support. They will probably get it, or we can whine and tell them when their negotiations are over that they aren’t really welcome on the set they were hired to work on.
Barney,
i don’t know who you are, but thanks for reinforcing the diminishing belief by btls and line producrers that writers are still the extremely valuable good guys in a very difficult situation. I wish I knew who you were so that I could support you more fully. I am sure that you have a supportive crew. Through good times and bad. And you have a point, writers are often extremely shy and and reseverved and that can often be misconstrued as arrogance when it is nothing but.
But mostly, just THANKS.
Even if residual payments go to the IA pension fund and retiree health fund, that still benefits all you BTLers. You need to fund those benefits and without residuals your health and pension would be stretched thin. You can argue over which dollars do where, but the fact is you get 4.5 times the residuals writers get and wothout them you’d be screwed. If you disagree, please let the AMPTP know you don’t want them anymore. That might make it easier for the other unions to negotiate with them. They can be reached at 818-995-3600, assuming our strike hasn’t made the phone company turn off your service.
Everyone should take this time off and watch season two of The Wire.
I’m not even in the WGA and any BTL worker that blames the union can kiss my ass. BTL work lines the studios’ pocket, not the WGA’s.
Who cares what happens after pen goes to paper if a writer isn’t getting fairly compensated for the final product?
I just finally read though too many comments… some agree with me, some don’t. But some are just weird… I’m a sociopath? People will spit in my food? I’m Chuck Lorre?
That last one just hurts… bad. That’s just a low blow.
I never said that IASTE members were worthless. I simply pointed out there is a pecking order, a hierarchy, and after 23 years in Hollywood I am a hyphenate, a writer-producer. (Features, not TV though I am trying to change that.) I’m by no means at the top, but I worked to get to where I am and don’t see why I should be forced to surrender a significant portion of the fruits of my labor because someone else didn’t plan for the chaos of life.
When an IASTE member wants a job, they don’t write a script and go raise $40 million to film it. Instead, they interview a
with and ask to be hired by the people that have. While the WORK they do is necessary, the individuals that do it are usually not the only ones who can perform those tasks. They work at the direction of someone else, and in most cases that is myself and the other producers, most specifically the director, and often the writer… the person who started the whole process.
And in all my years, even in my previous industry, the one thing I have never done is add (or threaten to add) bodily fluids to someone’s food. I’m not threatening to wipe my ass with your paycheck before I give it to you… and I’m not even doing it surreptitiously.
If that is what you have to do to relieve the stress of your job conditions, maybe you should grow up and negotiate yourself better terms.
You can even strike if you have to, especially if those you are trying to negotiate with tell you to piss off and refuse to talk to you. It is how the system works.
How about this? Why don’t we forever get rid of the term “Below-The-Line”… As a writer, I despise the term. Maybe we can add this to our “strike demands”… let’s treat everyone like human beings from now on. Possible?
Film, TV… it’s a group effort – everybody contributes. That’s what I personally like about the medium – though I wish writers were more welcome on film sets.
I would rather have a beer with a gaffer or grip than with one of my fellow angst-ridden writers – any day.
Peace…
Man, it’s easy to arm chair quarterback this thing. But, trust me, the people in that room are doing a thousand times better job than any of us could do. I know whatever they present us is the best they could wrench out of them. They didn’t cave. If you want something you have to fight for it, but you also have to be smart about it. The additional gains that could be made by striking until June are probably not worth it in the long run. This contract is the beginning. You add a little on everytime. Lets look at it with open minds. Hopefully the biggest gains will kick in by the 3rd year when the online cash cow will be more visible. That’s the key. See you on Saturday. And stop fighting with each other here. It’s a waste of energy. Do something productive. Go clean something. Or tickle your anus. Or kiss a baby. Or… just be patient.
Feilding Mellish,
Do not lump me in with Big C. I did not belittle the work of the crew or anyone else associated with a show. I did not equate the crew to commuters on a bus, I merely used what we writers call an analogy.
In my other post, I responded to and only to Mike on the set.
The priority of union leadership is to get the best deal for their members. Sorry that other guilds and unions aren’t part of that priority. That is true of every striking union uless of course you were walking the line with us.
Matt,
I’m touched by your gratitude. Here’s what you can expect. You will no longer be able to wait with your hand out whining for someone to give you something. You might have to go out and get it yourself. The good news is, you’ll like it. You’ll feel empowered. Good luck with that.
Okay, here goes. The proposed deal is neither final nor public yet, but it appears that the WGA stands to gain:
1. Distributor’s gross and accounting to verify.
2. New media jurisdiction above budget levels that, according to the DGA’S OWN DATA, will cover more than 75% of series produced. (Keep in mind this is original jurisdiction and not derivative, which would already be covered per below.)
3. A doubling of residuals for download-to-own, and a cover clause for ESTs that include embedded ads so as not to allow an escape for streaming provisions to apply.
4. Separated rights for internet.
5. 2% of distributor’s gross in Y3 for streaming.
That last one is important. Distributor’s gross is a much bigger pie than the creative side of this town is used to dealing with. The fact that it doesn’t apply in years 1 & 2 is called compromise. And network & cable residuals won’t disappear immediately, remember.
So. The WGA “lost” on reality and animation jurisdiction. Big fucking deal, those people never wanted to be covered anyway, and if they did, they should have been out there picketing with the WGAers.
So. The WGA “lost” on sympathy strikes. Big fucking deal, no labor negotiator in the history of recorded time has ever succeeded in obtaining that right AFTER organization is in place in multi-jurisdiction shops. (I.e. you think GM’s gonna let the SEIU strike if the UAW goes out? Fat chance. This was a non-strarter from the get-go.)
And… so. The WGA “lost” by giving up on DVDs. Admittedly, this is tricky. But all that was “lost” was the demand for doubling the rate. It’s not like the current formula is going away. But what IS going away is… the DVD. For example: why you gonna go out and buy a CD when you can download the album online in twenty seconds without ever leaving your house or paying shipping? The days of some shiny plastic disc as a medium for a digital file are numbered. Collect ‘em all and store ‘em in grandma’s attic with your Aerosmith albums. That ship is sailing.
Relax, breathe, and approve. This is a workable deal.
And p.s. all you BTLers, of course your work is appreciated. Lighten the fuck up. This is a labor action in a union town. You wanna play the game, you accept the rules. It’s simply about a fair wage. Nothing sneaky or evil about it. Jesus.
First of all, Home-bound says “shame.” Hard to believe he’s really in IA. The dollars in IA’s health plan are put there by a formula based the WGA residual structure. If the WGA doesn’t get a decent structure, IA will say bye-bye to health insurance.
Second, what about health care for WGA members? If the streaming deal isn’t vastly improved, ask our leadership what their experts say. Do you want to start paying ten thousand a year for insurance? Do you want your pension flushed? Maybe the big earners don’t care. The rest of us should care.
It would be easier for the experts just to admit the truth. The DGA deal over the years will finish off their health care. Ours too. Pensions? Do you read the the Wall Street Journal? Money Magazine? Smart Money? Corporations already decided no one gets pensions any more. Did you save for your kids future? With a deal like the DGA deal, you’ll think about trying to save a lot more.
It’s truly sad to see, but not unexpected. I said as much just before this strike began that the longer it went on the more likly there would be writer fracturing and irreparable damage between effected workers. No one expects the writers to settle for less than they started with, but no writer should be expecting that thier wildest fantasies of a dream contract will come to pass.
I’ve been reading the comments and so often someone tries to soften the blow with a statement about BLT workers should be blaming the AMPTP for all of thier troubles. Come on folks, while the AMPTP are indeed in it for the profits, they are not the ones that called the strike. That burden is the writers and the writers alone, yes the AMPTP set the stage for a possible strike, but the call to strike was the writers themselves and the burdens of the strike is thier’s no matter how much you want to wash your hands from responsibility.
So having said that, being ignorant to the concerns of your fellow workers, yes the BTL workers that some of you seem to have distain for, is very much misplaced. Not only that but the misplaced anger directed to showrunners who may view things differently than you do, is sad to see.
Solidarity is not something that is acheived through force, you do not gain sympathy for a cause by slapping people around until they agree with your every word. I think some of you should step back and take a good look at what is going on, because when this strike is finally resolved you are going to find a very different work environment than the one you left behind.
Not everything is about money, you might gain a few extra dollars, but try to think of the cost. If you think for a moment that those extra dollars are going to buy you respect, think again. It’s the intangables in life that brings you happiness, and some of you are throwing that away on the expectation of a couple of extra dollars that you might never actually see.
RIght… Enough… I’ve become bored with myself and won’t post anything again after this.
I’m sorry I posted a comment here at all in response to Big C’s dumb-ass remarks about the lowly below-the-liners who don’t “create” anything. I’m very sorry I responded. If ever there was a shill posting, that would have to be a candidate– look at what it set off from BOTH sides (by sides here I mean WGA vs IATSE).
This has gone too far and I hope you all will join me in shutting the fuck up. This is not at all productive. True some resentment may remain after the strike is over. We may not all be friends and we may not all respect each other as we should.
If a contract is proposed to the WGA membership that seems to be the best they will get and they don’t take it, I’ll be vocal again. And then I will have more reason than ever to rail against writers. But for now I think it best we all dial it back a bit. The writers will be meeting on Saturday and news of the direction they choose will arrive shortly thereafter. Fellow BTL’s (I hate that term), let’s see what happens.
As for you writers, try to have some sympathy for what your leadership has wreaked on IA members, struggling production office workers, small business owners and the like. When you are presented with your deal, please weigh carefully the pros and cons of your deal. Understand that your contract will be up in three years. Understand that the longer you are out, the more suffering there will be. Please weigh as well the current status of the US economy, the housing market and so on. Imagine what will become of your hometown and the families of your children’s friends if there is no work for them.
After what many of us think about the way your leadership handled these negotiations, you may not be welcomed back with a ticker-tape parade by the crews, but you will be welcomed back.
To all of us: Be humble. Be patient with each other. Be civil and respectful.
I’m taking my own advise here and going silent.
Good luck to everyone!
We are about to lose our mortgage because my fiance is now unemployed because of the strike. Her TV show was put on hiatus and now might not even be brought back to finish shooting. She is in wardrobe and a union member. The WGA is a bunch of selfish reactionaries and should not have gone on strike but should have thought things through. So many other people from different departments are suffering because of this strike and the greedy writers who are already making money hand over fist if they are successful. Shame on you Writers. SHAME!
Looks like the AMPTP shill PR machine is in full effect as the membership meeting on Saturday approaches. Shills posing as angry and indignant BTL’ers making veiled threats. The silent treatment on sets. Future hostility and hatred by the whole town. Foreign substances in coffee and tea. Shills posing as appallingly, obnoxiously, disrespectfully arrogant pricks. Fueling BTL rage. Fueling writer guilt over hardships. The pressure is deliberately being ratcheted up. Maybe some of the BTL posts urging writers to just take the deal, site unseen, whatever it is, just end the strike no matter fucking what already are really out of work IATSE folks. Their cries of greed and selfishness ring hollow though, because they are speaking out of pure self-interest. They don’t have to see the deal because it doesn’t apply to them. They don’t care what writers get as long as they get back to work. And yet somehow this self-interest is the “right self-interest” while writers bargaining in good faith with the AMPTP for a deal that they will have to live with for the next not three years but twenty, thirty, fifty years is “bad self-interest.” All the writers I know are very aware of the way this strike has affected BTL’ers. Benefits have been held. Funds have been created. But writers have an obligation to bargain a good deal and no one’s self-interest trumps a writer’s self-interest in a negotiation between the WGA and the AMPTP. There’s no reason to feel guilty about it. IATSE has a chance to negotiate when its contract is up and they have every right to hold out for a good deal. Whether they do that or not is something to take up with IATSE.
Writers have to look at whatever deal is presented on Saturday and decide for themselves if this is something that they can live with for 20 or more years. Because the notion that the AMPTP will renegotiate terms that have hardened into precedent “once the business model of the internet becomes more clear” is insane. This is the moment to make the right deal. I don’t know anyone who wants to strike again in three years. We need to get the right deal right now. We’ve already sacrificed enough in this strike. Let’s not waste it. Let’s take the lead and get a deal that conventional wisdom keeps telling us is impossible. It isn’t. Say no to dissension and manipulation and threats and fear tactics, say yes to solidarity and the right deal. That’s all it really will take.
Don’t Mess with Writers wrote :
Get off your jealous ass and create something from scratch. I dare you.Lock yourself in a room alone for days, weeks, and see if you can write a script that will create a movie or TV series from nothing. See f you can create jobs for thousands of people just by coming up with something purely from your imagination.
I know you wrote this to Patcracks , but I think I will take you up on your challange. I have time on my hands , why not ? But what if I only create jobs for say 20 or 30 people , does that count ? What if I write a best selling novel that gets turned into a movie , does that count ? I think it does count so I will start today ! Thank you .
Goodluck to all at this trying time , lets all stand tall together and support each other . I hope that this gets resolved soon but if not that is the way it will have to be .You can’t please all the people all the time .
Cheers ~
I find it offensive and ignorant by the Writers who blog on this site to even imply that BLT’s are not very angry with them for striking. It shows just how out of touch the Writers are with their Crew. Very sad.
One interesting thing that keeps popping up is that many of the WGA posters here want SAG to weigh in on the deal.
Hmmmm….
When the DGA deal was announced, the WGA and it’s members went to great lengths to exclaim that they will negotiate their own deal, and that they do not need to be concerned with the DGA.
Now, all of a sudden, SAG needs to, as one poster put it, “rubber-stamp” the WGA deal so the membership will ratify it. Wow.
What happened to negotiating for yourselves? What happened to trust in your leadership? When did you put Alan Rosenberg in charge of the WGA?
Supporting each other is one thing. Deferring your future to another guild is another. You can’t have it both ways.
You have fought too long and too hard to suddenly include SAG in your approval process. Don’t be hypocritical. Make up your own minds on your own deal from your own leadership.
The agreement has to be in writing, but . . . they are on strike and can’t write it! OMG!
No, I am not an elitist. Notice that not one of my posts derided or disrespected anyone who works below the line. I recently directed my first film after years of working as a writer in TV and both experiences have taught me that the crew is my family. Without them, the end product remains a script and never gets to be seen by the viewing public.
In the same way that I won’t disrespect the contribution of the crew, I won’t tolerate disrespect of writers. I stand by every word I said. Without writers, there is nothing at all. And I firmly believe that the anger and venom directed toward writers on this site comes out of jealousy. Everybody wishes they were a storyteller. When you don’t have that ability, you attempt to devalue those who do.
And the truth remains that storytelling is what human beings crave in TV and movies. Disrespect writers and we will just do what we do in other mediums. Writers will always be needed somewhere, but without us Hollywood would vanish in a puff of smoke.
Rick Chips said: “We are about to lose our mortgage because my fiance is now unemployed because of the strike.”
And what were the terms of your mortgage? I assume you had a stable 30-year fixed rate, not some ARM or teaser rate or balloon payment loan, right?
YET ANOTHER BTL wrote: “I find it offensive and ignorant by the Writers who blog on this site to even imply that BLT’s are not very angry with them for striking.”
Why are BLT’s angry? Not enough bacon? Too much lettuce? I’m confused.
just saying wrote…
1. Distributor’s gross and accounting to verify.
I hope there is a website that lists the number of dowmloads for every streamed show that is updated instantly and automatically every time one is watched. I highly doubt there will be though. I am hopeful, but very skeptical, about the accounting glasnost.
2. New media jurisdiction above budget levels that, according to the DGA’S OWN DATA, will cover more than 75% of series produced.
I don’t know how the DGA figured that. I would say that, at least so far, there are very few videos produced for the Internet that cost more than $300,000. The good news is, even low budget stuff should be covered if it uses guild writers.
3. A doubling of residuals for download-to-own, and a cover clause for ESTs that include embedded ads so as not to allow an escape for streaming provisions to apply.
This is a big misconception. There has never been a negotiated residual formula for ESTs (download-to-own), so there is no way this contract doubles it. It does pay double the DVD formula for ESTs, but they are ery different animals. ESTs have no manufacturing cost and much lower distribution costs. Furthermore, the “double” figure only applies after the first 100,000 units. The first 100k are paid at the insane DVD rate, which is even more insane for ESTs.
4. Separated rights for internet.
We would never agree to a deal that didn’t give the writer of an Internet show some stake in it if it ever became a film or TV show. Waiting to see the details here.
5. 2% of distributor’s gross in Y3 for streaming.
This is good, but it is only after an initial window 0f 17-24, during which time no residuals are paid for any streaming. Sadly the window doesn’t go away in the third year of the contract. I don’t know what percentage of streaming revenue comes in those first weeks. 10%? 50%? 90%? If it’s 50%, then the 2% of distributor’s gross, is de facto 1%.
Big C,
Everything you said has been absolutely true. It was just the seemingly arrogant and patronizing tone, even if it was not intended, that was so inflammatory. When the BTLs are suffering financially now and potentially for a long time to come, a little respect can go a long way to help bridge the gap.
You shouldn’t have to take a bad deal. And i know it is frustrating to writers to be blamed by crews for their situation. But they have lost a lot and are in pain, and therefore lash out. As do the writers. It is human nature.
Put that iron fist in a velvet glove.
RE: Chuck Lorre, I would chalk that up to the 2 1/2 men comment combined with the C. Sociopath, an exaggeration but I think you can see how the jump was made. Spit in food – unfortunately that does happen on the set. I have heard countless disturbing stories that make me want to pack a lunch and had to personally fire a PA for that myself Our PA was targeting the EP and, rather strangely, the show accountant. But you have to catch them first. That’s the hard part!
Your leadership screwed the pooch. DVDs will be the prime format for at least the next 3 years, especially with the high def format war now almost settled. Media rights could easily have waited 3 years as the market will not be significant until at least then and internet->tv devices definitely won’t make significant market penetration within that time. So you gave up on increased revenues on the dominant format for the contract period in order to gain coverage of a media format which at the moment is still in its infancy. Smoove move, sherlocks. You could easily have had this fight and renegotiated when the new contract was up, and had much more of a justification for demanding better terms on new media at that point. It is going to be an important issue and revenue stream for writers — in 3+ years. I hope it was worth giving up doubling your DVD residuals in the meantime.
DVDs will still be around even when movies are sold primarily over the internet. When was the last time you gave someone an electronic download for Christmas or their birthday?
Ugh. For crying out loud, just because someone’s opinion differs from yours DOESN’T MAKE THEM SHILLS. Geez. People do actually have their own individual opinions and ideas. These paranoid “shill” accusations have grown so very tiresome.
I think the industry (read: studios) will be less likely to cave until they understand the internet, which they don’t -and may never- because their business model is predicated on outdated technology and limited output streams.
In this humble geeks opinion, 3 years will make all the difference in how the IPTV concept will develop. I read some highly questionable comments which misunderstand the technology and how the cable company may or may not leverage it. I believe that both parties are acting -at least in part- out of fear for unknown technology.
There are people who now, right this moment running TV channels on the internet, which are recovering costs and aren’t using outdated business models to do so. The knowledge and philosophy are out there, but the studios don’t want to hear it, because they become irrelevant.
I applaud your effort and vow to continue to support you, I wish I could support your excellent work more directly without giving the Studios or the Cable Companies any money.
- A Fan
BIG C (or so you call youself),
I don’t know how “big” you think you are in this industry, but you are such a minute portion of an enormous population, it is ridiculous that you think you are SOOOO important.
If you don’t think that IATSE exists because the “artisans create a unique commodity for a small market” you are INSANE. Do you know how beautiful grip and electric and camera are able to make a shot just based on some words written down on a peice of paper? Do you know how awesome a film can be made by an amazing set, beautiful costumes, detailed props. All of these people are ARTISTS. I would love for you to “learn to tape wires, drive trucks, hold a
book, gaff” with the end result being as amazing as all of the rest of these people are able to make them.
Not everyone gets into these IATSE union. Only those of us who have worked and proved ourselves. I don’t know what “punch[ing] in and punch[ing] out” you think that we do, but I go home hours after everyone else after wrapping out and preping for the next day, at home and I think about all that is going to happen the next day, and how I can prep to make that run as smoothly as possible, and do just that…. at home… until all hours, and then arrive hours before to set up for that day, preped for ANYTHING that may be asked of me and my department that day. IASTE “make[s] a movie” just as much as anyone else on set. How dare you act like our jobs aren’t just as important as yours. They are ALL difficult, which is why we each choose what department to be in. You would not choose another department because you could not do the job. Yeah, you might be able to buy some props or hang some lights or paint some walls, or throw some powder on an actor, but what would the end product really be like, compared to those of us who are professionals end products.
I can not be “very easily… replaced, as there is… [a] singular output created by” me, and all the rest of the crew. That interior of a submarine, those 18th century torches, that stunning Indian wedding gown, that 20 year old woman having been made to look 80, that gloomy day having been made into a soft sunset, that shot of a mountain looking like a Van Gogh on film. Those are all singular outputs made by me, and MANY others.
“Buildings say “Designed by Architect XXX”‘ because he or she has an idea, that is put into effect by tons of brick layers. I think that the people who bring your outline of an idea to a beautiful head are too numerous to list on the outside of any building. And referring to us as if we are replacable could not be further from the truth. ALL you did was “belittle” EVERYONE who is not in the WGA. You’re right, we don’t have “any real bearing on the creation of a creative production,” we have ALL of it. We control your writing and make it what WE envision. It’s a collabrative effort. Get over yourself and give EVERYONE ELSE some credit.
Ugh. For crying out loud, just because someone’s opinion differs from yours DOESN’T MAKE THEM SHILLS. Geez. People do actually have their own individual opinions and ideas. These paranoid “shill” accusations have grown so very tiresome.
Comment by Enough already… — February 6, 2008 @ 11:26 am
Thank You.
Don’t Mess With Writers,
Crew members may be jealous of the money and respect that writers get, but the idea that they want to devalue them as “storytellers” is deluded and ridiculous. All they want is a little respect for their crafts, and I think that most crew members are well aware that the writers are their bread and butter. Any envy you see is from a superficial level. The writers walk down to stage carrying their Starbucks and PAs are following them around taking their lunch orders, while while the crew is being forced to take a grace and threatened about not going into meal penalties or OT even though 3 new scenes were added that need to be shot the next day. I know, because I am the unfortunate messenger that tells them they need to work their asses off for little or no thanks, or even a returned “hello” from the writers and that the studio isn’t going to renumerate them for the extra work. It’s just what they have to do to keep their jobs. You can understand how they grow a little bitter while they are working, let alone when their livelihoods have been cut off. It is much easier to pretend the emporer has no clothes while you are getting a paycheck. To the defense of the writers, the crew does not ever see the excruciating, soul wrenching work that the writers go through back up in the room, and that they are often working longer hours than much of the crew and that they face backbreaking pressure to get a script ready to shoot while appeasing the studio, the network, and themselves.
Not your problem, but it would be nice if you could find a true empathy for crews in this situation and understand what the real issue is. They do not want to be Storytellers. They want a paycheck and a little acknowledgement from the writers. Kind of like what the writers want from the AMPTP.
But I think the name “Don’t Mess With Writers” gives me a legitimate fear that you won’t be able to see the real picture.
Klaatu:
Your response to Rick Chips re: his mortgage was out of line. Maybe he had locked in a loan, but between that time and the closing his wife lost her job, which would certainly change the terms of their loan, or kill it altogether.
But that’s not really the point. I’ve seen other posts like yours, attacking victims for poor planning. The truth is, a lot of Americans run much closer to the wire than you might care to think about. Not all of them are the Angelenos in fancy cars who live in hovels and have their priorities backwards. Not all of them are charge-card happy. Not all of them have even had the chance to plan – poorly or otherwise – because LA is a pricey city and they’ve just been trying to hold on.
Comment by just saying — “And… so. The WGA “lost” by giving up on DVDs. Admittedly, this is tricky. But all that was “lost” was the demand for doubling the rate. It’s not like the current formula is going away. But what IS going away is… the DVD. For example: why you gonna go out and buy a CD when you can download the album online in twenty seconds without ever leaving your house or paying shipping? The days of some shiny plastic disc as a medium for a digital file are numbered. Collect ‘em all and store ‘em in grandma’s attic with your Aerosmith albums. That ship is sailing.”—
It’s posts like this that are so far out of touch with reality that it scares me. Sorry but you are not downloading an album in 20 second now nor will you be anytime in the near future. You won’t be downloading quality movies that quickly now or anytime in the near future.
Those in very large markets will indeed see a possible speed increase in the coming decade, but for the most part the majority of people will see speeds much like we have today which ranges from dial-up connections to 5 or 10 Mb. Far from your technological fantasy world, those who are big downloaders will pay a premium for that bandwidth.
DVD’s and variations of our current DVD including digital media (eg flash cards, blu Ray, HD-DVD,,,) will be around for many years to come. It will be the mainstay for residuals and writers would be foolish to ignore that in favour of the less probable streaming formulas.
While getting a deal on streaming is important, having a strong deal in place for permanent media including DVDs is far more profitable for writers. Far too many are buying into this nonsense that streaming is going to be the big cash cow, and they are doing so at the expense of where the money really is.
By all means, continue the strike. Let’s see how much better shows do without writers. Let’s see the audiences shift from olde television to the internet. Who’s selling the rope to hang whom?
Hey, Big C.
If you are so proud of yourself and your title, then why don’t you use your real name. I’m sure we would all like to know who the big cheese in Hollywood is. Come on Big C, let us know what it is.
bekind –
I’m just saying, anyone who is losing their house after two months of unemployment, was going to lose their house anyway. And pepole who work in show business know very well that they will have periods of unemployment even without strikes. Who hasn’t had more than two months off work since etering this field?
How many crew members have been on shows that got cancelled after six episodes or thirteen? They were out of work then, and probably for longer.
It’s easy to blame someone else for your problems. It’s happenening with many people who are losing their houses who have nothing to do with show business. And the candidates are all talking about ways to help people keep their homes — homes they never should have bought using mortgages that they were idiots to take.
So, while it sucks to lose your house, it’s bullshit to blame writers (and not even the studios that planned, scheduled, and orchestrated this strike) for it happening.
In response to:
“DVDs will still be around even when movies are sold primarily over the internet. When was the last time you gave someone an electronic download for Christmas or their birthday?”
Comment by No Dvds? — February 6, 2008 @ 11:22 am
Umm…iTunes gift cards……
Peggy Lane O’Rourke
Ed Bernero,
Yes, the crew people on your show know how much you value their work.
Most people in this industry know that a strke is always possible. I back the writers on our show.
The ugly baiting of comments that have been written on this site, are childish. Just stop, it doesn’t help.
For WGA, I hope Saturday is the light at the end of the tunnel, and I hope all of us are back to work soon.
I’m really sick of all these people who keep using pseudonyms for their names. Have a little courage of your convictions. I for one will not read any more posts by people who call themselves anything they want. What they say has no letigimacy whatsoever. There could be one guy making all these statements about how writers will never sign a deal that’s similar to the DGA’s for all we know. At least have a link in your name to a site that identifies you.
Dear Chips Down:
Actually ATT will be giving you speeds of 30-40 Mpbs soon and I’m sure that someone will deliver even faster….can you say satellite technology? And remember, technology moves exponentially, so to say “never” or “not anytime soon” is naive (I will give that one to the writers)…but this goes back to my point on another post…someone has to put the money out for the infrastructure to deliver it and the all important copy protect! Umm, that money for infrastructure and technology will most likely come from the studios. Is the WGA or SAG putting any money into the copy protect technology pool? They would be wise to do so, otherwise your residuals will get massively watered down.
rHob
Dear Fly By,
Even with a rainy day fund, that’s not for you to decide when I have to use it. Many people work in this industry and are prepared for “Normal” slow downs. When a show gets canceled, there is usually work to be found…IF YOU HAVEN’T FUCKING NOTICED…THERE IS VERY LITTLE WORK GOING ON TO GO FIND, THERE’S A FUCKING STRIKE, DILBERT!
By the way, I drive a 4 cylinder car that cost $13,000. But unlike you selfish assholes, I take care of a wife, 2 kids and my mother-in-law. What I teach my kids is this, there used to be a time in America where people helped each other. Neighbors helped newlyweds with their “Barn raising”. People used to take care of each other (that’s why I take care of my mother-in-law). Everyone’s circumstances are different, so until you walk in my shoes, shut the fuck up! And I mean that in a nice way.
rHob
Question:
When a writer takes a book or a play and adapts it to tv or movies or steals a concept from, oh say, the UK, should that writer get paid the same?….the original idea isn’t even theirs….it’s rhetorical, by-the-way.
rHob
Guys, just a reminder that a lot of these anonymous people claiming to be “below-the-line” workers are in all likelihood studio trolls. This website itself has already confirmed the studios are sending out trolls to create fake posts. This is why I like Patrick’s posts–because he signs his full name. People claiming to be BTL members should post their real name; otherwise, we have no way of confirming that you are.
I’m not a WGA member, but I know a lot of people on the picket line, and I agree with many people:
a) Let’s see what the deal is before freaking out. Everyone’s nerves are frayed, and understandably, by striking and trying to negotiate with an opponent in bad faith. (As for those claiming “The WGA didn’t negotiate”–guys, you’re lying. I’m sorry. If you aren’t acknowledging at this point that the AMPTP refused to negotiate, and that *they’re* the guys who left the table with unreasonable demands, you’re just lying.)
I am a working writer. This is what I do for a living. I’ve been on the line from the beginning. I was there in the ‘88 strike, and I remember very well how it fell apart. It did so because the showrunners abandoned it.
The deal that is on the table offers us major inroads into new media. It is a good foundation for the future. In 5 years, when we are back at the bargaining table, it will be a basis to build on what will then be a mature part of the entertainment mix.
I’m seeing here a lot of militant commentary from people that I doubt very much rely on this for their living. Talking on the phone today and emailing, I haven’t found a single actual, working writer who wants to stay out. I’ll see more money from this deal, and some decent income in the event that new media grows as something other than a delivery medium.
The deal also offers income protection if it is only a delivery medium. We won’t get thrown out with the bathwater if it becomes, basically, a super-TiVo, which is one of the many possible scenarios, and we won’t be penalized simply because of the delivery system.
One of the problems that both SAG and the WGA have are substantial memberships without any real stake in the outcome of negotiations, because they are not dependent on their union-related income.
Looking at these comments, it’s hard for me to believe that the ’screw them all’ approach I’m seeing here is coming from people who actually need this for their living. If so, they’re richer than I am, I guess. This is a meaningful deal. I hope it gets ratified.
It appears that a deal has been struck and will be voted on by the WGA this evening. If approved, the strike will be over and TV can start production again. Most likely, the evening talk shows, The Tonight Show, Late Night, Jimmy Kimmel, The Daily Show and The Colbert Report will start fresh shows on Monday. For scripted series, the delay to fresh shows are still months away. But the landscape for TV has been forever changed.
The Networks will become much more efficient in their spending on shows. Commitments will be made with tighter budgets attached. Should a show make it to pilot form, it will move quickly to series. If a show doesn’t perform on network, watch it pop up on cable and vice versa. Don’t be surprised to see Psych, Monk, or even Mad Men repurposed on network. A series will complete its 13 episode minimum regardless of its initial rating cause the expectation is that it will be repurposed across cable and the web, to assure it finds a profit. And vertically alligned businesses, like NBC with their hands in each of these distribution points will do especially well. They can effectively spread the risk and increase the return from each of these productions.
At the same time, reality shows are starting to show their age. Survivor’s latest adventure recently scored its lowest ratings. Deal or No Deal has gotten so desperate, half the briefcases have to contain $1 million dollars just to keep the viewer’s interest. And even American Idol has looked beatable. As fresh content comes back to TV, the ratings for these reality shows will suffer further. The writers strike has gotten them to wear out their welcome.
To me shows like Saturday Night Live will prove even more lucrative to the new model. It generates both short form and long form content for the web (for example all the digital shorts) , it provides a testing ground for actors and writers (Conan O’Brien was a writer on SNL, Tina Fey a writer and performer who was able to create 30 Rock for NBC, the show has been re cut to an hour and syndicated to E!, and it creates commercial parodies, best of’s and political specials that are repurposed into prime time specials. It created a DVD of its first 5 years so most likely more will come. Prior to the strike, the guest host was Brian Williams, NBC News anchor who post appearance saw the ratings for NBC News rise. Its been an effective medium to promote other shows as well. And during the strike, various shows and specials filled the prime time air. In short SNL is the golden goose to NBC. It creates original content that can be merchandized and monetized across multiple distribution points. Try doing that with Deal or No Deal!
Great! Now would you mind losing that horrid yenta w/ clock graphic at the top? Thanks.