If you listen to Warner Bros' version of the back story behind The Hangover, this weekend's #1 film and the third highest R-rated comedy opening, it sounds so very simple like a class in Hit Moviemaking 101. (And I'm assured the total pay of all three lead actors doesn't even add up to the perk package that Will Ferrell had on Land of The Lost.) So Hangover spec script is penned by the screenwriting team of Jon Lucas and Scott Moore and gets to director Todd Phillips, who reads the screenplay and loves it and has a deal at the studio. BenderSpink's Chris Bender then approaches Warner Bros SVP of production Greg Silverman with the script and director already in place. Jeff Robinov, who has been/is a fan of Phillips, makes the deal. "It was one of those things that simply came together -- a script, a director, and all the ducks were in a row," a WB source tells me.
Oh really? Well, here's what I first thought was the full and complete story of how The Hangover got made. (And why wasn't any of the following mentioned in Sunday's New York Times story about New Line and Warner Bros?? Now people are coming out of the woodwork to tell me there's still more missing info. I'll keep updating. But, for now, here's what I know:
It all started with Chris Bender who heard the story of how his Hollywood friend went mysteriously missing from his bachelor party in Las Vegas. The pal (photo, right) was film producer Tripp Vinson (The Guardian, The Number 23, and now the Red Dawn remake) who in 2002 was engaged to marry Endeavor motion picture lit agent Adriana Alberghetti. Like always happens, the real facts don't quite match up with the movie. There was no wedding scheduled that same weekend. Instead, the bachelor party was held months earlier. It consisted of 30 guys booked into the Hard Rock Hotel for a wild night of partying at a succession of Vegas restaurants, clubs and strip joints.
"I remember being a drunken fool, as you're supposed to do at your bachelor party, and having a really good time with all my friends," Vinson told me. "But then I remember being a mess. And when people are fucked up, crazy shit happens." That's when Tripp went missing from his bash. Even now, all Vinson knows is, "I got separated from my friends, and I blacked out. And when I was revived, I was in a strip club being threatened with a very, very large bill I was supposed to pay. It was not a fun experience at the time, but it made for a funny story."
Bender thought it would make a great movie. So he kicked the idea around with the Four Christmases writing team of Lucas and Moore who had a good working relationship with New Line. So did Bender who produced both New Line pics Monster-In-Law and Just Friends, on which the writing pair did some uncredited work. It turned out that New Line really wanted a Bachelor Party-set-in-Las Vegas movie, and SVP/COO Richard Brener wanted to buy the pitch for $750,000. Everyone was excited -- but then New Line boss Bob Shaye threw up a roadblock: he said he'd only buy it if the movie could be called, What Happens In Vegas. But the phrase that relaunched Sin City proved a nightmare to purchase since so many people claimed to have come up with it. When New Line couldn't clear the title, Shaye didn't buy the film. (In 2008, 20th Century Fox used that title. Clearly, it had better lawyers.)
The writers went off and wrote. But by then they wanted a huge raise for the project. New Line passed at that price (as did every other studio) -- especially with 2 other bachelor party movies being fast-tracked at Universal. So then the writers and BenderSpink decided to spec it out with the understanding that New Line would get first crack. But when the spec was finished, CAA agent Gregory McKnight attached Old School director Todd Phillips to the project and slipped it to Warner Bros because Phillips had a first-look deal there. At the time, Phillips' star wasn't very high: he'd stumbled with Starsky & Hutch at Warner Bros, and been replaced as the director of Borat. But Warner Bros nonetheless bought the spec script pre-emptively. (My sources claim McKnight sold the script without Bender. And it was only after Bender showed WB lawyers his email exchanges with Lucas-Moore that the studio finally agreed he'd helped develop the concept.)
Then again, back in 2003, the same Greg Silverman bought a pitch from Mark Perez for The Afterparty, in which a young man enjoys his Las Vegas bachelor party so much he can't remember anything about it. Then, as he and his fiancee make last-minute preparations for their big day, the strange characters he befriended during his lost weekend -- including a chicken and a tiger -- begin to make surprise appearances. Silverman was to oversee the project. Jamie Kennedy was attached.
Meanwhile, under Silverman's supervision, Phillips and Jeremy Gerelick (The Break Up) did a rewrite described to me as vast of The Hangover inserting the the baby, the tiger, Mike Tyson, the gangster, the cop car, and more. (Some say the duo was "robbed" of a credit by the WGA arbitration.) Bender after his armtwisting got a fee and an executive producer credit as a "make-good". New Line was left holding its dick. And now Phillips has the sequel underway.
As for Tripp Vinson, he wasn't involved with the movie at all. "I wasn't even aware of it. Once the spec went out, I became aware of it. I know they embellished the story." Nor did Warner Bros buy his life rights: he laughed when I told him a good lawyer could secure a trust fund for his kid. As for Chris Bender, this is the 3rd time he's taken a real-life Hollywood producer's life story and put it on the big screen. You may already know this, but Chris Bender claims American Pie is based on his own high school experiences (Jason Biggs plays Bender), and that's why Bender received a co-producer credit on the pic. (However, others maintain that American Pie was based on the life of Adam Herz, the writer. The original title was East Great Falls High, which was the high school Herz went to. Bender helped Herz develop it.) And Just Friends also was supposedly based on Bender's life and he got a producer credit on that, too.
Meanwhile, Warner Bros studio chairman Alan Horn is still trying to claim to the Los Angeles Times that all the credit for this movie goes to his studio, and to his little-liked No. 2, Warner Bros. Pictures Group President Jeff Robinov. "It was Jeff and his troops who got Todd Phillips involved [No, that was CAA], allowed the movie to be R-rated [It was always R-rated], and let Todd make the movie he wanted to make [Because Robinov can't do comedy to save his life, and at best it was exec Greg Silverman.] He clearly knew what he was doing." Statements like this prove the old adage that you always know a mogul's lying because his lips are moving.


It’s actually the third time. JUST FRIENDS is also based on Bender’s life.
OK, so how was that Cameron Diaz/Ashton Kutcher movie able to use the title ‘What Happens in Vegas’?
This guy sounds awesome. I would love to know him!
This story is amazing and made for a great movie. Tripp is THE MAN
This Tripp Vinson guy has inspired a story that is incredibly entertaining and funny. It’s nice to know he can roll with it and he has a sense of humor. BIG FAN of this movie and of this Producer, Tripp Vinson
Next time some man-child narcissistic navel-gazing ‘producer’ wants to make a film like this, give him a $200 Flip camera & put it on YouTube with all the other craptastically lazy UGC (user generated content). If someone wants to slap a conglomerate brand on it fine by me, it’s their hard-won reputation at stake.
Not a bit interested in paying a penny to see this…was very happy to see Up (good interesting story that appealed to a very broad audience, animation I couldn’t possibly hope to do myself on my own PC). That’s a film someone will give a flaming one about more than 24 months from now.
No long-term library value in a flick like The Hangover other than some future generations of kids will get to roll their eyes at what dumbasses their elders were to have made and/or sat through this kind of dreck.
If you’re going to spend the big bucks making movies make something people will want to see again. Otherwise just go the super el cheapo UGC route & use the remainder for lap dances or whatever idiots like Bender, Vinson etc want the big bucks for.
SCUTTLEBUTT: My thoughts exactly. Nice to know another sane adult out there.
Wow. Great reporting.
Ah yes, Chris Bender, Pingry School graduate, where writer Jon Lucas also graduated from. See Wikipedia.
Hmm, it’s astonishing that Shaye lost his studio. Maybe The Last Mimzy just needed a better title.
Scuttlebutt,
Reserve your long term projections and UGC comparisons to something you’ve actually seen. Spare us your non-analogous UP comparisons, and Im pretty sure any ‘conglomerate’ wouldn’t have a problem putting its ‘hard-won’ reputation on the line with this film as its already profitable.
Congrats to all involved in this film.
How about we do BENDER: The Musical?
Oh….wait….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJw34FcIlcI
If Bender/Spink developed the spec script with Lucas and Moore, why weren’t they the producers when it sold to Warners? When it sold, the only people attached were Todd Philips and Scott Budnick to EP.
get over it. I bet you feel like you’re wasting your time if you spend an hour and a half laughing during your day. It is what it is, and it’s funny. Obviously this probably doesn’t ring true to the ACTUAL story – and the fact is, this is life. It happens. It’s not that bad, and the movie was great.
I’m with you scuttlebutt! I’m tired of the frat-boy-ugly-shithead-always-gets-the-girl-apatow-type-films and definitely “man-child narcissistic”. This is what happened when boys make movies, instead of men – “Men” who are emotionally evolved that is…
Scuttlebutt, usually with almost every “comedy” that gets pumped out by the navel-gazing douches in the industry I’d be with you. But The Hangover is actually the funniest movie to come along in a long while and I suspect it has nothing to with any of the above-named and everything to do with Todd Phillips.
I’ve always been impressed with Chris Bender and I’m thrilled to see his movie do such great business. Love the back story too.
Thanks for this story Nikki
THANK YOU Mr. Vinson. This kind of thing happens all the time to the best of us …and we all know if its gonna happen, it’s gonna happen in Vegas. And no long term library value? I will gladly see this again and again – the cast is on point and all shine in various parts of the movie. Regardless of the fact that we are lucky enough to learn how this story was inspired – looking past that and letting Mr. Vinson’s story be a funny part of his past (b/c we ALL have stories like this that we have in our “party pockets”) it’s still, in the end, not only a really funny movie, but a really FUN movie.
Jeremy Garelick really wrote that script, and then got screwed.
Is it just me, or does anyone else notice how appropriate it is that a film called The Hangover was produced by a guy named “Bender”?
How is it a movie based on someone’s life if they can’t remember what happened to them?
It is what it is. It happens. It’s not a big deal, and we all know the movie was probably incredibly embellished. It’s a funny movie, and it just proves this guy, Tripp, is human. He does Vegas right, and had a good bachelor party. Good for him. Big deal, it’s in the past. Loved the movie
Tripp Vinson & Todd Phillips are champions.
New Line? Not so much.
I think saying “based on his life” for any, or all three, of these films is a bit much.
Using moments from one’s life as a “jumping off” point would be a better way to describe it.
Hey Scuttlebutt:
You either have your head up your ass or you’re for whatever reason, shilling for DIsney. And if it’s that first scenario…I’m talking way up your ass.
In fact, for your sake, I hope you’re not of the first scenario, because if that’s actually how you feel about a picture that has that many bonafied laughs, plenty in the writing and plenty in the execution, you have got to be one bitter individual. This script was thought out like not many.
If you are shilling for Disney, or anyone else, and Vegas says it’s 50/50 that you are… then GET YOUR DISHONESTY THE FUCK OFF THIS PAGE!!
“Think of the ten worst things that can happen to you and I’ll bet every one of them would make a great movie.” — Paul Schrader
Ironically, “When people are fucked up, crazy shit happens,” was THE HANGOVER’s original tagline.
@Scuttlebutt: No reason to think that a popular “dude comedy” can’t have long-term library value. Look at ANIMAL HOUSE or PORKY’S or AMERICAN PIE and its many sequels.
So let me get this straight: The producer Chris Bender takes his producer friend’s story, gets writers to write it, sells the script to a studio, and never bothers to mention to his friend that he was doing any of it?
Wow. Fascinating that this is how Hollywood works, even for insiders.
Funny movie, though. Thanks for that!
Have you ever been to a Hollywood bachelor party? Makes very bad things look tame. I can’t wait to read the lawsuit transcripts! We can read about what all the execs did at the bachelor party under oath! Many a marriage will be ruined!
The chronology is a little foggy- Garelick and Phillips rewrote the script AFTER Warners purchased the Lucas & Moore script. Had they done so before the purchase (which would have been unlikely anyway), chances are Garelick would’ve gotten the co-credit he deserves.
Something about this story doesn’t add up. Not to say that it’s not ALL true… but something is missing.
I read the original script of the Hangover without Phillips/Garelick’s name on the rewrite. There was no baby or Tiger, or Asian gangster ( I think they were Aremnian), and the payoff/end wasn’t that funny. It was such the typical male bonding frat dude adventure with a chuckle here and there that comes out of the factory of Bender Spink. A few jokes were okay, but basically the same homophobic repeating joke one after another.
If Phillips/Garelick revamped it considerably and it looks like they did (didn’t see the movie), then how could Garelick not get a credit? I just don’t buy this story in its entirety, as told by Vinson/Bender at all. I think Garelick got screwed or something happened along the way.
Now, let’s hear the rrrrrest of the story….
such as the elements that Garelick and Phillips added to the movie for no credit.
I read a previous draft and there was a storyline that seemed to be lost in the studio shuffle where one of the characters kept complaining how his ass hurt and as the story unraveled it revealed a torrid love affair with another man. By the end of the story he came out of the closet. What happened to this??? It was F-ing funny. The studio probably said we’ll give you Zach Galifianakis’s dick in the ending credits but no gay stuff. Still a funny flick.
Bravo, “Scuttlebutt” and “Man Up” !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now watch all the whiny loser frat boys start screeching ysterically because they’re so defensive about being embarrassing vapid losers. Go drink another Budweiser, duuuudes.
Oh, please. The morons who love this sad garbage are the same morons who threw irrational hissy tantrums just because the Sex and the City film was made, and then flipped their toupees when it was a blockbuster.
Stickupbutt,
It must be hard for you to live amongst the little brains.
I can’t stand it when miserable blowhards like you shit on comedy. I would love to see the AGC (asshole generated content) that you could make that would match up to The Hangover, which I (and the packed house I saw it with) found to be laugh out loud funny. But that’s just my opinion, which is based on an actual experience, as opposed to yours which is based on… your bullshit.
And the comedies of my “elders” (”elders”? Really?), i.e. Animal House, Vacation, Caddyshack… are still amongst my favorites.
Come down off your high horse tonight and screen “Squid and the Whale.” Jeff Daniels plays a great you.
This is the latest example of a bandwagon that everyone in Hollywood will try to take credit for.
The you-stole-my-idea lawsuit can’t be far behind.
when are they gonna make a movie about gerry harrington’s bachelor party?
The wga arbitration process is a joke. Too much emphasis placed on structure and setting, not enough on character and detail. Garelick got “screwed” in the sense someone he went to high school with won’t see his name on screen, but everyone in town know who really is responsible for the script.
I heard it that Lucas and Moore had talked to bender re a project about a bachelor party so when they sold it bender said he had to be attached. Then Bender never bothered to tell Tripp that he was using his story…bender owes vinson one…
“when people are fucked up, crazy shit happens.”
How impressively literate and imaginative. Some “inspiration.”
Typical: you’re bang on. I heard from my friends at WB legal that Chris Bender had nothing to do with developing the project. The only reason his name is on it is because he threatened to sue…
Chris Bender was a producer on “American Pie” not just because it was about his high school experience. He and J.C. Spink repped the writers as managers. Good get for them. They deserved every dollar and earned it.
@Nothin’ to see here you’re so right (and witty), and they’ll still say films made for women don’t make bank…
Years ago, I went on a girls’ weekend in Vegas with the women I worked with at a production company. It was a nightmare with one of the chief execs downing 8 shots and vanishing onto the Strip. Not to be sexist, but this sh*t is way funnier with guys…even the sh*t about getting screwed out of writing credit is funnier when it happens to guys.
Seriously what a fascinating, insightful story. I am so amazed to see how movies have inspiration in real life. I always thought people made things up but no, it’s real. Thanks for sending this fascinating piece of journalism. The other trades should pick it up, but they’re too busy reporting about other things that they consider to be news. This, however, is news. You should get a Pulitzer.
So Bender develops the script with Lucas and Moore and then CAA agent Greg McKnight tries to screw Bender over? What a piece of work.
Thanks for the story Nikki. After a sold out Monday night showing at my theater, I think “Hangover” is gonna be the movie of the summer.
Dan
You are a freaking idiot. Managing the writers so you can then pretend to produce a movie and take credit is something the Producers’ Guild fights against. Bender Spink are among the worst at this. Spink hasn’t even seen his dick over his fat ass since 1998 but Bender is no prize either.
If a guy named Bender isn’t going to make a movie about people getting blotto drunk, who will?
Great reporting as usual, Nikki. The behind-the-scenes tick-tock on this story is like porn for would-be screenwriters (myself included).
I need to get out and see this (my 4-year-old was sick over the weekend) and to know a great movie came together and acted as David to a pair of CG (and mostly CG) goliaths makes me want to see Hangover all the more.
As the writer of one of the films mentioned above, let me just say the whole “based on” phrase is kind of misleading. In my case, I go through a funny/painful life experience and decide to write a script about it. An above mentioned producer not only likes my script, but says, “Hey, I’ve gone through/am going through the same thing.” We compare notes. Some of his experiences are funny and are added to the mix. Over the course of many years the script changes, changes back, changes again – but there is one constant. Me. The movie gets made and in the promotion of the movie, said producer, in the interest of (marketing? self-promotion? ego?) tells everyone the movie is based on them. It’s not even the first time they’ve done this. Technically, there are elements of his life in the movie so its not an outright lie — but its not exactly accurate either… Just keep that (and the fact that most of the people mentioned above have never had an original thought of their own) in mind.
Just FYI for anyone who’s not clear… Though I thought most people on this board are pros who know better. Guess a few like “m” are not – who commented on the only thing a writer gets screwed out of when he loses arbitration is the chance for high school friends to see his name on screen, yada yada yada… The very important reason a writer arbitrates (and wants to win on-screen credit) with the WGA — is because w/out that WGA credit — there’s no residuals. So yeah, the writer gets a check for the initial rewrite work. But the brilliance they add which makes this played over and over on cable, sold internationally, put out on DVD etc… The original writer who has like 25% of his work left — gets all 100% of WGA resids, because there’s no shared credit. THAT’S where the re-writer gets really screwed. Again — apologies to those (most of you probably reading) who already know this. But just to let those who don’t in on why arbitration really matters. It’s $$ not vanity. Well $$ AND vanity. But mostly $$. Cuz people in the town do know who did what.
@ M. Actually, M, Garelick got screwed — if he did indeed deserve credit, which is still a debate none of us are qualified to judge — in a much more important way. FINANCIALLY.
WGA credit isn’t about impressing High School classmates. It’s about DOLLARS. The credited writers stand to make a HUGE chunk of change in residuals. DVD. Cable. Broadcast. Any and all exploitation beyond theatrical generates substantial payments for the CREDITED writers.
We’re talking hundreds of thousands of dollars minimum.
And one other thing I have to take issue with. Your belief that WGA arbitration places too much emphasis on “structure.”
You are clearly NOT a screenwriter. Screenplays ARE STRUCTURE. Without a good solid structure you have nothing. Character grace notes, jokes… that stuff is the icing. Difficult to do well, but the fun stuff. Structure is the cake. Without it you have nothing.
Not to shit on the Bender blowjob party but I find it hard to believe that there were 2 scripts that just happen to float through the same guy – complete with chickens and tigers… Somebody got fuuuuucked:
“Then again, back in 2003, the same Greg Silverman bought a pitch from Mark Peretz for The Afterparty, in which a young man enjoys his Las Vegas bachelor party so much he can’t remember anything about it. Then, as he and his fiancee make last-minute preparations for their big day, the strange characters he befriended during his lost weekend — including a chicken and a tiger — begin to make surprise appearances. Silverman was to oversee the project. Jamie Kennedy was attached”.
This movie is not a “hit” and is no better than old school, talladega nights, anchorman, wedding singer, etc… Looks like another movie that was just thrown together to sell tickets. Get a rare cameo of Mike Tyson singing and it’s a classic movie. In the end, it’s still crap and only further backs my point of the lack of talent in today’s WGA as well as the lack of inteligence that movie-goers have.
It’s not elitism to say The Hangover is for morons. I saw it last night (but I paid to see Drag Me to Hell to get in because I wanted to contribute financially to something that I knew for certain deserved it). The water-heads in my showing ate up every asinine second of it. I laughed maybe a few times perfunctorily. The actors are all likeable and funny guys who just had the misfortune of being saddled with witless content that used crass vulgarity as a crutch. I was there early and took note of the appearances of everybody who walked in. Most of the patrons were either scrawny suburban white kids cribbing the hip hop culture or stereotypical homoerotic frat-boy tools in muscle shirts. And a lot of the chicks in attendance had on too much perfume. You can tell when these kinds of people know they’re witnessing a movie that’s going to be a personal classic for them because they’re not texting incessantly during it.
The movie professes to take place in some kind of tangible reality, yet the crapulent characters participate in stuff that would’ve had them arrested on felony charges ten minutes into their stupor. Sorry, I’m only willing to invest in disbelief suspension on projects that have actual creativity and imagination. I’m sure if I went to Vegas and committed grand theft auto, on a cop car no less, I wouldn’t be immediately released because I volunteered to be tased in front of a school field trip. And nevermind the question about how they got the tiger up to the room unnoticed, I want to know how they sprung it out of Tyson’s cage and got it from point A to point A without being torn to shreds. Also, there’s a huge plothole that probably resulted from negligent screenwriting…SPOILER!
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After the fat bearded semi-retard spiked the shots with roofies, the guys should’ve passed out immediately and there never should’ve been a movie. Memory loss isn’t the primary property of the drug. It’s a tranquilizing sedative that induces deep sleep. Having the drug actually be the Ecstasy he thought he was getting probably would’ve made more sense.
This is the most transparent and asinine piece of PR fluff I’ve read in a while. If Benderspink wants to take all the credit for the terrible spec script then rock and roll. You got your check, you got your credit, STFU. Garelick, Phillips, Sher, and the cast made this movie. Everyone has had an insane bachelor party in Vegas, I’d actually give more credit to the people who didn’t use theirs as the basis for a retarded script written by the Four Christmas team.
This is what happens all the time. PINO (produces in name only) suddenly act like they were the driving creative force in a project after it’s a “surprise” hit. If Benderspink had their way, this would have starred three has been A list comedians, maintained the terrible male stripper possibly gay subplot, and sucked even more than it did on the page.
But I guess this is Hollywood. Try to leverage every bit of everything. I hope Garelick and Phillips laugh about this while lighting cigars with hundred dollar bills.
Also little known fact, A BRIEF HISTORY OF VIOLENCE also based on Chris Bender’s life.
“It’s actually the third time. JUST FRIENDS is also based on Bender’s life.
Comment by Anon”
It’s actually the fourth time. FUTURAMA is also based on Bender’s life.
*Fixed
I always thought this site was smarter than falling for ridiculous self-promotion. By the way, there’s hardly anything novel about someone getting really drunk in Vegas for a bachelor party and waking up with repurcussions… unless you are a narcissistic Hollywood man-child who thinks you invented the idea of blacking out in Vegas. This is a non-story and DHD is far better than this!
Next thing you know, Chris Bender will be claiming that robot on FUTURAMA is based on him!
I read the original script by Lucas & Moore.
It was funnier and smarter then what ended up on the screen. I laughed out loud throughout the read.
Phillips and Garrelick came in and dumbed it down big time. The Asian stereotype gangster. Oy. In the original, the bad guys were from Guam. Just enunciating the word Guam is funny.
But everyone wins this time. (At least financially.)
i am seeing a lot of bitter writers post above. and since the movie just came out, i imagine a lot of the haters haven’t even seen it. believe me, i was worried that the movie would be disappointing but then i saw it.
“Screenplays ARE STRUCTURE”
so then why do most films curiously lack STRUCTURE?
seriously, mark perez got fucked. The Afterparty was WAY too similar to The Hangover for it to be just a coincidence.
I hear the movie is funny. And guess what? I’m what matters.
A lot of you guys sound like serious DBs.
Interesting article and comments tho.
Dave
Richmond, VA
Several smart dead on comments above calling out this movie.
“Pariah” is right. There are so many implausible plot points which could be overlooked if the overall tone of the film were offbeat, or the plot points were masterfully played. Many were just devices that were comedic dead-ends. Nothing funny really happens with the tiger or the cop car. It’s just “ha ha, aren’t we funny we stole a cop car.”
Also, the baby getting nailed by the car door, or left alone in the car in the desert heat, or pretend jerking off. The child abuse aside, it just wasn’t funny. You’d better be funny if you’re gonna exploit child abuse for humor. Being ‘controversial’ for the sake of itself is lazy and cynical and a barometer of how craptastic this movie was. The whiny unattractive dentist gets the girl – thanks Judd Apatow for starting this ridiculous movie trend. The cliched overbearing girlfriend to round out the hooker/mother syndrome of the Vegas dude demo.
This movie was derivative and hacky down to the trite colloquialisms that were amusing 10 years ago when they were written on Friends, Sex and the City, etc, i.e. nasty doctor snaps, “It’s at the CORNER OF …. (”Get a map” and “Fuck off”,) and many more.
This movie was depressing not just because it was cynically slapped together to sell tickets as another commenter pointed out, but because there’s no shortage of morons who flocked to see it and loved it.
Perhaps the worst is other studios will probably start vomiting out copycats.
“New Line was left holding its dick.”
I always felt it was of the female variety as studios go.
So… just to be clear on this… New Line has a dick?
this bender guy is a freakin douche bag! he obviously has had a shitty, boring life and cant come up with his own good stories, so he rips off his “friends” and co-workers. i hope he gets caught by the police on Melrose, giving head to a tranny. tripp vinson sounds like the man!
“Oh, please. The morons who love this sad garbage are the same morons who threw irrational hissy tantrums just because the Sex and the City film was made, and then flipped their toupees when it was a blockbuster.
Comment by Nothin’ to see here”
Thanks for “Nothin”, I bet my buddy lunch that David Putnam doesn’t post here
The problem is genius is invisible…
It takes a genius to know a genius … and most Hollywooders are coasting.
There are many lackees perpetuating the initiating genius of a few … cashing paychecks and living off the fat of the establishment.
As a newbie to the industry (not the artistry), I feel like I’m 20 years too late. Where’s Michael Ovitz when you need him??? The ordinary masses drove him away.
See, mindless little comedies are necessary. Who doesn’t need a laugh in this climate? But mindful comedies are soulful. The laughter erupts from the soul, not the ego. And you don’t forget it before the credits role. It becomes a classic. But of course, it takes genius to produce a comedy that is as smart, as it is funny. The balance has to be just right, because people don’t laugh if they have to think too much. But we don’t have to worry about anyone discovering and bottling the formula, because as we have recently seen, genius is extinct in Hollywood.
So much so, that if one actually brings a level of genius to the table. It sits, getting cold. It’s feared, uneaten. People are afraid of the depth of flavor. They’re scared that … everything else will taste bland afterwards.
It’s a veritable love/hate fest on this board. wow. highly enjoyable reading. I especially enjoyed the unbelievable dickwaddery of people posting ‘it’s not reeeeeeeeeal enough’ spoilers within the FIRST WEEK of a COMEDY’s release.
You know another movie that is implausible, haters? MOST OF THEM!! B/c reality is f**king boring by default. So people make stuff up (based on a shred of reality) and either it feels like it makes sense or not. But whether it’s inherently organically DISPROVABLE is besides the point. It’s a f**king MOVIE. If it was ‘real’ the actors wouldn’t be 50 feet tall talking in jokes in the first place.
(and whoever tried to ‘disprove’ the film’s ‘accuracy’ by disputing the notion of ‘roofies’…? go take one. actually, take a bunch).
daeqwon bronstein,
you can always identify the target demo for a movie like this because they use words like “dickwaddery” and f–k in their nonsensical babble. Or, you’re part of the production. The movie is not a thriller where spoilers matter. That is sad that your idea of a big moment was the roofies contrivance. So very lame.
Your babble makes no sense.
Now count your box office and thank the many fools who threw down hard earned money on this turkey.
American Pie is now supposed to be based on Bender’s life? What a joke. God forbid the author of the film (Adam Herz) that made so much damn money and made millions laugh should get the credit for his work.
It seems to me writers should avoid Mr. Bender.
Bugsy and Pariah, I feel sorry for you. You two are obviously the bitter, never-got-laid-in-high-school, debbie-downers who think their own writing is so “highbrow” and great and enjoy shitting on awesome, fun, movies that actually have fans in order to make their own pathetic selves feel better. Dear Bugsy, or should I say “Miranda.” I’m sure your mom loves reading your frothy rom-com’s starring tampons and your cats named Fluffy and Muffy, but nobody else gives a shit. I bet your the type of girl who is excited about cinematic mud-butt like “The Proposal.” I am sick and tired of “writers” who think they are above everybody else. News flash, you haven’t produced shit and nobody cares about your writing, which means you are an abject failure. Comedy is supposed to be about ridiculous, goofball, losers who do dumb stuff, it’s not supposed to be American Beauty. Also, the funniest part of the movie was the stuff with the baby (baby jacking off= funny as hell, everybody in the theater laughed). Haters need to stop holding comedy to the same standard as drama. It is a completely different release. Its only rule is this— Is it funny? This movie clearly is. Everybody that hates on it needs to get the sand out of their vagina and learn to enjoy this great life we live in. The Hangover kicks ass!!
Arbitatrioncanberough –
Indeed, screenplays ARE structure, and much as I may love hearing from someone who can quote William Goldman, I think you’re overlooking something: In regards to structure, what you fail to realize or at least to point out, is just how few A-list producers/stars/directors/executives really care about it.
Because they DON’T care. Not really. Their chief concern has always been, and continues to be, the stuff that “flies off the page.” That is, the dialogue, the characterizations, and the set pieces.
Structure, alas, is far too abstract a concept for the majority of folks to grasp. Sad but true.
My problem with this movie is my problem with all of Todd Phillips’ movies: the misogyny.
Writers, please protect your intellectual property. All you have to do is register each draft with the WGA and Library of Congress. It’s not complicated, but it requires that you *write everything down* because as we all know, you can’t copyright an idea.
@Pariah
Your name really should be Buzz Killington. Really. If you go to a movie, and cannot partake in the necessary “Suspension of Belief” that it requires to “just go with it” even if things don’t feel right. That’s like going to a slasher and questioning why the scary, undead knife-wielding killer-thing hasn’t died, despite being knocked out of third-story windows, hit in the head with a heavy object, and then dramatically set on fire. In such a movie, you would think, “Alright, so in this movie, there’s at least one crazy undead thingy that can survive superhuman feats of fortitude. I’m alright with this, because it’s fiction.”
Mayhaps in this movie, you have to think to yourself, “Alright, so in this fictitious world, there are roofies that put you out immediately. Maybe they weren’t actually roofies (y’know, since you don’t exactly just go to a pharmacist and ask for them, or anything…you would probably get ‘em from some jackhole on the street), and in fact, were mayhaps high-calibur tranquilizers. Who knows? We can’t know, because this is somebody else’s account of events.”
I guess what I’m getting at, is that you, good sir, are a bag of douche. Strawberry fragranced douche, in fact. Good day.
anonomous genius…you just invoked the biggest douchebag this town has ever seen and eventually purged…ovitz…he wasnt driven away by the masses; he was driven away by the mortal coil of what makes this town tick…shit, i hope he’s not wiretapping my phone…20 years too late, huh? town’s done ok w/o you…or him for that matter
The inimitable quality of being a douchebag, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. And through *non-ordinary* eyes, the douchebag is responsible for many paychecks today. Cardinal types are never Mother Theresa.
And like all of us who know the mythic twists and turns of any great story, no one is saying that the power doesn’t eventually turn on itself and destroy the powerful in the end. Hence the reason, a very specific period in the life of the relative douchebag was invoked. It’s all in the details, baby.
As far as the town doing okay without us douchebags, you’re right. It’s done just fine. But eventually the town’s version of artistic ingenuity, i.e. slathering on the dollars, will bottom out. And then what?
I think we all could agree that the town is badly in need of an infusion of fresh blood. The scene is set for the new jack heroes to arrive and save the day.
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“My problem with this movie is my problem with all of Todd Phillips’ movies: the misogyny. ”
Amen. But the “male” culture that dominates the entire industry on all levels is the reason films like these are repeatedly successful. I mean, look at “The Departed.”(would use html to italicize, but there’s no “preview comment.”) I watched the movie through a non-gender specific pair of eyes, but was still astounded at how the lauded best picture of the year was *so* male-centric.
I think a little more balance is just what the doctor ordered.
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These comments indicate how nasty “The Business” is and why! Not only the subject of Nikki’s report, but the response as well. Most people get into the business seeking fortune and fame. Many wind up becoming jaded assholes as you have demonstrated.
If this is what you decided to do with your life then write A script that sells! Go with the flow! Make your fortune…then write THE script for yourself.
Hey maybe with that A script FAME, you can sell THE script too! Don’t waste time crying…you’re losing light. Breaks over let’s get back to work!
If you thought The Hangover was funny, you meet the following criteria:
1.) you’re not terribly bright
2.) you have subpar standards of acceptance for onscreen comedy
3.) you bought into the hype machine behind the release hook, line and sinker
so you’re telling me the writers from two horrible movies wrote the Hangover? Looks like some other writers ideas got jacked. Sorry for ya
I think it’s hysterical how quickly and how often “fuck” and “douchebag” entered the conversation once the defenders of great male comedy came online.
Yeah, I would have to say structure has a little bit to do with screenwriting.
And I love Caddyshack, Animal House, Road Trip and American Pie but I don’t think Hangover rates.
And I’m a girl!! Yep, a girl…come on…gimme some tampons and kitty insults guys!
I’ve seen hundreds of movies in my time. I, for one, am not a fan of the mindless, subpar-plotted flicks. I am not the typical stereotype above posters proclaim this movie only attracts.
I am a highly successful, white-collar working, college-educated, 41-year-old wife and mother of three. I went and saw it with my 59-year-old mother who has a zero-tolerance for typical frat-boys-goin’-for-shock-value movies.
This is, hands-down, the funniest movie we’ve ever seen. We didn’t know we could laugh nonstop for over an hour and a half. And it was EXACTLY what Americans like us need during these bleak, depressing economic times. Cannot wait for the sequel.
I can tell you all where this story came from because I have the original script that was sent to Bender/Spink & Todd Phillips long before “The Hangover” was even a sparkle in anyone’s eye. I believe there is a word for that…
ugh did someone just say they cannot wait for a sequel. and we are supposed to believe you aren’t chris bender? i mean bullshit. anyone who sat through the misogynist, homophobic, only occasionally funny film that is the hangover can certainly wait for a sequel. i pray it never comes. poor heather graham
great story
Wow. Did anyone really get as hot a girl as Ed Helms did in the movie?
http://blogs.amctv.com/future-of-classic/2009/06/and-the-loser-g.php
Wow, some of you must have NO life if your reading an article about a “fart” movie your not interested in..Why spend minutes of your life reading this article then..Just curious
Shuttlebug or whatever your name is — Get a life..No one cares about your personal preferences regarding movies..No one..Quit acting like your a famous film critic and you know what your talking about…
Scuttlebutt,
I agree with the writer who told you to see THE HANGOVER first before being so judgmental. The trailer promised something very “special.” The film more than lived up to its expectations. It was alternately clever, roll-on-the-floor funny, bust-a-gut outrageous and totally inoffensive. Everyone in my family (and I stress FAMILY) has seen this movie at least TWICE (no screenings/screeners either) and the ushers at the local Regal make it a point to tell you how many times they’ve seen it (five in a week was the current record). The only thing that comes close to being as funny as THE HANGOVER is the end credit sequence. Believe me, it’s one time you won’t get squinty-eyed reading the credit roll — even if you’d planned on scouring the names looking for your own.
Can’t believe anyone thinks this is a stolen idea. Most stag nights have amazing/stranger-than-fiction stories to tell – there have been several TV Movies in the UK about the very same thing (one with Helena Bonham Carter as a hooker).
As soon as a film is a success people come out of the woodwork. That’s Hollywood.
OK not a Hollywood person at all, just a movie goer. The Hangover was awesome. I think for me it was so great because so much of the movie was in the spectators imagination. What I could imagine about what could have happened increased my enjoyment geometrically. When a movie (director?) serves up all the jokes in a very visual (limiting) way it is so empty.
I think this movie will be a comedy classic. Caddyshack, Animal House, etc can be watched over and over and then you quote the movie to your friends and they all know…
I honestly thought this movie wasn’t bad. I really liked it. There’s a TON of funny quotes in that movie. It was nice to actually laugh for once, seeing as all the latest “comedy” movies just aren’t that funny. I personally thought Princess and the Frog was better than Alvin and the Chipmunks.
And to the people that didn’t like it…
Don’t watch it? It’s as simple as that. Stop griping about how horrible you think this movie is, and get over it. It’s really as simple as that.