
SUNDAY 12:30 PM: At the WGA's news conference today, union leaders declared the new contract is "a huge victory for us". Trumpeted WGAW President Patric Verrone, "This is the first time we actually got a better deal in a new media than previously." Verrone credited News Corp. No. 2 Peter Chernin and Disney chief Bob Iger, and also CBS boss Les Moonves, with "being instrumental in making this deal happen" after the WGA spent 3 months "getting nowhere" with the AMPTP negotiators and lawyers. WGA negotiating committee chief John Bowman added that, "What happened to the Golden Globes was instrumental in getting the CEOs to this table. It was a huge symbol." Bowman said it was "imperative" that the WGA "get in on the ground floor of New Media. Henceforth, we're in from the start. It's 2% of distributor's gross. They can't have a business model without taking that into account." (Photo below by Jim Stevenson of WGA news conference with John Bowman, Patric Verrone and Dave Young. Text continues after pic...)
Verrone said, "Since we began negotiations in July, we've been saying, 'If they get paid, we get paid.' This contract makes that a reality. It's the best deal this Guild has bargained for in 30 years after the most successful strike this Guild has waged in 35 years. It was arguably the most successful strike in the American labor movement in a decade, clearly the most important of this young century. It is not all that we hoped for, and not all that we deserved. But as I told our members, this strike was about the future, and this deal assures for us and for future generations of writers a share in the future..."
Verrone said it was "heartbreaking for me personally" to drop the WGA's demands relating to reality and animation (Verrone is an animation writer) "But it was more important that we make a deal that benefitted the membership and the town as a whole and got people back to work." Verrone stated that "The legacy of the '88 strike was the ability of the companies to develop content without writers and creators. The legacy of this strike will be the ability of writers and creators to develop content without the companies. We are making deals, and we will continue to make deals, with Google, Yahoo, and others beyond just the 7 conglomerates."
The leaders confirmed that WGA members would have 48 hours to call off the strike and 10 days to accept the newly negotiated contract.
But Verrone said TV showrunners (who have producing duties in addition to writing duties on TV series) would be allowed to go back to work Monday before the 48-hour notice vote by members is conducted. This no doubt solves the dilemma that the moguls made the deal negotiated with the WGA contingent on having the writers go back to work immediately.
The Writers Guild East Council and Writers Guild West Board voted to approve the contract and sent it to membership for a ratification vote, which will be conducted via mail ballot and at special meetings conducted on a date to be determined. In addition, the Council and Board also voted to lift the restraining order (strike) upon the majority vote of the membership, casting ballots in a vote to be conducted Tuesday, February 12th.
Variety reports that industry sources say the WGA contract reached with the majors "includes a provision that will allow scribes who were force majeuered from ongoing series to return to their old jobs. The contract does not address those who were force majeured from overall deals and other contracts if they were not working on a series that will resume production."
I can also report that the Screen Actors Guild, whose contract expires in June, has not set a date yet when it will start negotiating with the moguls. Asked about the possibility of an actors strike, the WGA leaders concurred that "no part of the Industry wants a second strike".
SUNDAY AM: I'm told the WGA's Negotiating Committee met today from 9 AM-10 AM and agreed to recommend the writers-moguls deal and to call off the strike. The WGAW's governing Board and the WGAE's governing Council began meeting at 10 AM Pacific time to do the same thing. That confab should have the same outcome in time for a WGA news conference at noon with WGAW President Patric Verrone, WGAE President Michael Winship (on the phone), WGAW Executive Director and Chief Negotiator David Young, and WGA Negotiating Committee Chair John Bowman. No matter how the governing boards voted, the WGA membership will still have the last word on calling off the strike within 48 hours, and accepting the newly negotiated contract within 10 days. (FYI: I can't attend because I'm still fluish and coughing my head off.)
Here's more detail, courtesy of United Hollywood, on the membership's 48 hour vote on whether or not to immediately lift the strike. The 48 hours starts today, probably by early this afternoon, with a view to a polling place-like vote probably in the WGA Theater on Tuesday. Voting will either be in person or by fax (proxy). If the vote passes, writers can go back to work. Then the writers will be given 10 days notice to vote by mail, in person or by fax (proxy) on accepting the new contract.
SATURDAY 9:00 PM: I've received word from inside the Shrine Auditorium meeting that the WGA West membership was obviously "very positive" about resolving the writers strike as soon as possible and accepting the deal negotiated by the guild leadership with the Hollywood moguls.
Also, the WGA governing bodies wisely decided to ensure that guild members be able to vote within the next 48 hours before the strike can be called off by leaders -- even though the AMPTP made the deal contingent on the writers going back to work immediatelt. Under this new end game, Hollywood could now get back to work by Wednesday at the earliest (not Monday as previously arranged). This also means the Academy Awards, just 14 days away, won't be picketed. A writer who just left the confab told me: "There was cheering for everything and standing ovation after standing ovation for all the leadership. There is no question in my mind that because of the atmosphere in that room this strike will be called off. There is no gearing for a fight. It's over."
WGAW President Patric Verrone announced that there would be a vote by the membership over the next 48 hours on whether or not to lift the strike. I'm told Verrone said specifically that the decision to call off the strike, regardless of the WGA Negotiating Committee's or the WGAW Board's or WGAE Council's recommendation, was to be in the hands of the membership (which wasn't originally planned). Pending that outcome, the 10-day ballotting process for members to accept the tentative deal would begin. Since the moguls insisted that vote not delay the lifting of the strike, WGA leader Dave Young Young told the auditorium that the writers, and therefore all of Hollywood, could get back to work by Wednesday. That means Back 9 orders of some scripted TV series could be saved along with a no-frills pilot season with less scripted series ordered than ever before. (And expect the upfront presentations to advertisers to consist of a lot more pleading than preening.) Some of the force-majeured deals could be reinstated. (But it's important to remember that three times as many pacts would have been cancelled if the agents and lawyers hadn't lobbied the networks and studios.) Feature films that were halted could get going immediately.
About 25% of the attendees left the auditorium after Dave Young explained the deal points. But the meeting is still going on as members now ask questions about specific terms. Nevertheless, it's g'night from DHD. More coverage tomorrow. (Photos by Jim Stevenson: above, outside Shrine Auditorium as WGA membership arrive for meeting tonight; below, reporters throng screenwriter Gregory Poirier outside the Shrine.)
SATURDAY 8:00 PM: The Los Angeles Times' Envelope blog just sent out an email alert that the WGA strike will not be over on Monday. This is based on the blogging of LAT columnist Joel Stein, who is the newspaper's unreadable humor columnist and is inside the WGA West membership meeting at the Shrine because he is a guild member. Stein wrote that WGAW President Patric Verrone told the room that "the strike isn’t over Monday" and "the decision to lift the strike will be up to the membership after the vote on the contract". I do not have confirmation of this yet, although I have been reporting since yesterday that WGA members were pressing the guild's leadership and governing bodies for more time to study the language and terms of the proposed WGA-mogul deal. However, earlier today the WGA East membership meeting in NYC was told that the AMPTP made the deal contingent on writers going back to work immediately. ADDENDUM: Los Angeles Times TV writer Maria Elena Fernandez clarifies in this email to me: "Just wanted to correct you on something you posted regarding Joel Stein's blogging. Yes, Joel was in there and was sending his first-person dispatches, but the information you quoted--Verrone's statement, etc--actually came from me. I was the one in the Shrine doing the news blogging. Joel didn't quote anyone and didn't really provide news. He just did impressions."
SATURDAY 7:00 PM: Tonight's WGA West membership "informational" meeting is scheduled to start.
SATURDAY 4:00 PM: The WGA East's "informational" meeting for membership lasted about 3 hours. Here's more about the NYC confab from a WGA attendee: "The East meeting was insanely civil. Not one chair thrown. I was at the meeting in the same ballroom the second week of the strike, when the same people were sitting up there and were characteristically defensive about why we had gone out and if they knew what they were doing. Today, those same people were not only confident, they were not in the least defensive about the deal -- they were realistic, 180 degrees from the chaos and disarray I smelled three months ago. And they ain't actors. I think if they felt they needed to ram something down our throats, you would have picked up on that immediately. The two big moments for me came very early, when each member of the negotiating committee spoke briefly. Terry George said, 'We have defeated a tradition of rollbacks that began with the air traffic controllers.' That crystallized what we were up against and how far we had come and changing the dialogue. A couple minutes later, Melissa Salmons said, 'For years, I have lived in fear of that DVD formula, that it would be with me for my life. Now we have a deal that have movement in it.' (Later on, she told a daytime writer that the staff of Days of Our Lives, who had all been fired last week, were getting their jobs back. And that a striking writer, if fired, had to be replaced by a striking writer. Not a scab, and not a fi-core member. Big ovation.) I'll stop short of calling it a love fest, but not all that short. Legit questions were raised and respectfully answered. Again, no defensiveness. There was an informal applause poll, and the room was overwhelmingly in favor of ending the strike before a membership ratification vote."
SATURDAY 2:40 PM: A WGA bigwig just phoned me with this important message for WGA members: "I need to bring up an important issue. The members have not seen all the deal points. The only deal points we have are the New Media deal points. But there is a key issue we aren't seeing right now. Right now, the only favored nations clause we have with SAG is in New Media. Members may think we're in a good position to benefit from a better SAG deal, to let SAG take the ball from our deal and run with it. But members need to know that if SAG turns around and negotiates a better DVD deal, or a better pension deal, or better rates anyplace else other than New Media, we will not benefit. We only have favored nations with SAG where it concerns New Media and even that isn't even written down. It's just a verbal agreement. They [the AMPTP] tried to screw us on this at the last minute."
Here's more on this issue from a strike captain's email to his WGA picket team (excerpted): "No doubt you are reviewing the Tentative Agreement in detail. It's challenging, and to be honest, I feel it's probably the best we're going to get without staying out on strike another 3-4 months... BUT... I need to bring one more important thing to your attention: FAVORED NATIONS CLAUSE. At the Captain's Mtg yesterday, we were told that clause is SUPPOSED TO BE IN HERE. It is not. That clause means if SAG gets a better deal, and they most likely will in a few key areas (like perhaps streaming and adjusting that long window that concerns many of us), we would get the SAME DEAL. We were told Peter Chernin looked our team in the eye across the table while negotiating and said we would have it, then he denied it to his lawyers. Again, this deal is most likely as good as we'll get, but without that clause, especially if he lied to us, IT IS NOT COMPLETE."
SATURDAY 2:00 PM: Here's first word to me from inside the WGA East "informational" meeting in NYC's Crowne Plaza Hotel in Times Square. (The meeting is still going on...): "The room at first was not overly contentious as everyone listened to [WGA East Michael] Winship and others. Basically, the leadership was selling the deal. The leadership made it clear that the deal is a limited time offer. That if we don't go back to work on this immediately we lose the deal and we're back to the beginning again. There was some pushback. There was a lot of conversation how we shouldn't go back immediately and we should at least have 48 hours to think about this. And the argument was that the AMPTP has said that this deal is contingent on going back to work immediately. That it's kind of a 'take or leave it offer' and if we don't take this then we could be out forever. But the leadership may consider a delay for 48 hours, that it's a possibility this is what they'll do. The mood in the room was that, 'It's not a perfect deal, but it's good enough'. There was a sense of resignation."
SATURDAY 11:00 AM: WGA EAST membership "informational" meeting supposed to start in NYC.
SATURDAY 9:45 AM: A WGA leadership insider just told me: "No decision has yet been made about lifting the strike. It is very possible member vote will be taken this week before strike is lifted. That will be decided by [WGA East] council and [WGA West] board tomorrow based on member feedback today."
SATURDAY 9:00 AM: Emails are pouring into me from WGA West and East writers complaining that their leadership is, to quote one message, "ramming this deal down our throats". Everything is pointing to very contentious membership meetings on both coasts today. Will the membership be able to overlook the procedural problems relating to this draft deal and instead focus on the contractual terms? Again, the links to the draft deal are here and here.
Here's more about Friday's briefing of all strike captains by the WGA leadership: "Just wanted you to know that no matter what you heard, when the deal was laid out for the strike captains Friday morning, support was WAAAY less than unanimous. Indeed, it was quite a vocal meeting, as a large number of captains expressed serious reservations that this deal is being forced on WGA members -- that it's not right for the WGA to call off the strike before members can vote on it, especially without seeing the contract. But dissenters were lobbied to go out and sell our teams the idea that continuing to strike will not yield a better deal."
But a TV writer I know counters: "Gosh Nikki, I guess the squeaky wheels really do get the oil. What is with all this moaning and groaning you are hearing over email? My strike captain, definitely one of the more 'militant', was at the meeting, and says there was not all this dissention, thinks it's a good deal, and does not think this it is being rammed down our throats. And neither do I. As someone who missed only three days of picketing since the strike started, I ask this: can people maybe just take a deep breath and look at this objectively? There's no honorary Oscar awarded for Most Irrationally Outraged. however there will be an award for World's Biggest Asshole, and it'll be split 12,000 ways if we stay out of work two extra weeks all to approve the deal anyway, or worse yet, reject it and send even loyal picketers like me off the deep end."
Still another strike captain I know emails: "I don't know who is claiming that there was a lot of anger over the deal a the Strike Captains' meeting yesterday. I was there. I've been to every SC meeting, and it was one of the least contentious meetings we've had. First of all, our leadership got thunderous applause when they were introduced. Secondly, I can barely remember a negative comment about the actual deal. I'd say the person who was the most brutally honest about the deal's compromises was David Young himself. There was no sugar coating with him. Something I've come to like about him.
"Mostly, people asked questions because they wanted clarification. Joe Medeiros [Tonight Show head writer] asked a good question about the use of clips. Someone else asked about how the $40,000 and $20,000 figures were arrived at on Prime Time Streaming. Laeta Kalogridis [United Hollywood co-founder] got up and debunked the numerous inaccuracies in Friday's NYT piece, and defended Bowman, Verrone, and Young against Michael Cieply's fantastical reporting. Jay Kogen and Ken Lazebnik each voiced a need for the leadership to tell the story of the negotiations and how things were arrived at, so the membership understood how it all came about.
"The only real, consistent bone of contention was over who should end the strike... the leadership, or the membership. Patric was very clear that he wanted to wait and take the temperature of the membership at the meeting tonight, before a decision was made on how to go about ratifying and ending the strike. He was very open about it, and was clearly concerned that people might feel railroaded by a grand fiat ending the strike that was then followed by a ratification vote. He also made us keenly aware of the need to get people back to work in this town, and our responsibility to the people who are hurting.
"I even spoke briefly with Patric after the meeting and explained my belief that the 10-day wait was a relic of a pre-internet era, and that the 48-hour option, while being a logistical nightmare for the Guild and its staffers, was the best option in my eyes. He asked me a few questions about my opinion and I have no doubt he's clearly concerned with making the best choice for everyone. The split over this issue by the Guild's own members is a clear indication of just how difficult this choice is.
"Like everyone else, I have concerns about the deal, but overall I think it's a win for us, and I have no doubt that it's a deal we never would have come close to receiving without the strike. Like every negotiation, we're not going to get everything we want. Every writer knows what it's like when their agent/manager/lawyer, or in my case all three, try to get you a killer deal from the studios... you end up with something pretty good that you can live with, and gratefully can live on. That's what we got here, and I see very little upside to rejecting the deal. Perhaps SAG, with our support, can better it a bit in June, and we'll ride that "most favored nation" train along with them.
"To quote [WGA East head] Michael Winship [who was at the strike captains meeting in LA yesterday], who was quoting Bill Clinton, we shouldn't let 'perfect' be the enemy of 'good.' " [Actually Voltaire said it...]
SATURDAY AM: At 2:30 AM, the WGAW and WGAE emailed this letter to membership with the drafted deal summary. Now the NYC WGA membership and the LA WGA membership have less than 12 hours to review it before Saturday's meetings and their leadership "takes the temperatures" of both confabs. The huge question today is whether the writers gathering for these meetings will give the WGA West and East governing bodies an unofficial OK to approve the deal. In a lightning speed schedule dictated by the Hollywood CEOs, the WGAW and WGAE governing bodies meet on Sunday to decide whether to approve the deal and call off the strike. If the labor action is stopped, writers go back at work as soon as Monday. The moguls insisted the WGA leadership call off the strike before the guild members vote on the contract. But the tentative deal cannot be formally accepted until the WGAE and WGAW memberships ballotting expected within the next two weeks.
To Our Fellow Members,
We have a tentative deal.
It is an agreement that protects a future in which the Internet becomes the primary means of both content creation and delivery. It creates formulas for revenue-based residuals in new media, provides access to deals and financial data to help us evaluate and enforce those formulas, and establishes the principle that, "When they get paid, we get paid."
Specific terms of the agreement are described in the summary at the following link and will be further discussed at our Saturday membership meetings on both coasts. At those meetings we will also discuss how we will proceed regarding ratification of this agreement and lifting the restraining order that ends the strike. Details of the Los Angeles meeting can be found at [link].
Less than six months ago, the AMPTP wanted to enact profit-based residuals, defer all Internet compensation in favor of a study, forever eliminate "distributor's gross" valuations, and enforce 39 pages of rollbacks to compensation, pension and health benefits, reacquisition, and separated rights. Today, thanks to three months of physical resolve, determination, and perseverance, we have a contract that includes WGA jurisdiction and separated rights in new media, residuals for Internet reuse, enforcement and auditing tools, expansion of fair market value and distributor's gross language, improvements to other traditional elements of the MBA, and no rollbacks.
Over these three difficult months, we shut down production of nearly all scripted content in TV and film and had a serious impact on the business of our employers in ways they did not expect and were hard pressed to deflect. Nevertheless, an ongoing struggle against seven, multinational media conglomerates, no matter how successful, is exhausting, taking an enormous personal toll on our members and countless others. As such, we believe that continuing to strike now will not bring sufficient gains to outweigh the potential risks and that the time has come to accept this contract and settle the strike.
Much has been achieved, and while this agreement is neither perfect nor perhaps all that we deserve for the countless hours of hard work and sacrifice, our strike has been a success. We activated, engaged, and involved the membership of our Guilds with a solidarity that has never before occurred. We developed a captains system and a communications structure that used the Internet to build bonds within our membership and beyond. We earned the backing of other unions and their members worldwide, the respect of elected leaders and politicians throughout the nation, and the overwhelming support of fans and the general public. Our thanks to all of them, and to the staffs at both Guilds who have worked so long and patiently to help us all.
There is much yet to be done and we intend to use all the techniques and relationships we've developed in this strike to make it happen. We must support our brothers and sisters in SAG who, as their contract expires in less than five months, will be facing many of the same challenges we have just endured. We must further pursue new relationships we have established in Washington and in state and local governments so that we can maintain leverage against the consolidated multinational conglomerates with whom we bargain. We must be vigilant in monitoring the deals that are made in new media so that in the years ahead we can enforce and expand our contract. We must fight to get decent working conditions and benefits for writers of reality TV, animation, and any other genre in which writers do not have a WGA contra

Do these attorneys know time is essential! Today they should take a shorter lunch.
When you’re dealing with a legal document – especially when there’s real money involved you’ll have to live with it for a LONG TIME – it is far better to get the language right than to rush it.
IOW, in contract world, unlike movie world, there’s no fixing it in post.
I’m not concerned — after all, the strike is over.
Eisner said so.
Don’t blame the attorneys. They are probably working 24/7. Problem is that there is no template to work from since “new media” concerns have not been addressed in prior contracts. So they have to create from scratch. Then the attorneys on the other side have to look at everything the other side produces and run it by the clients – which leads to more revisions, comments, etc. Looks like both sides were being overly optimistic that this could be hammered out in a week
I love you Nikki, you keep it real. Keep up the good work.
No language, no contract.
No contract, no Oscars.
Yep, that’s what I heard too.
Shawn Ryan (WGA NegCom) was just on UH Live and mentioned as much. That is, there is a chance the contract language may not be completed before the meeting tomorrow.
The contract language has to be approved by the CEOs, and WGA has be extremely diligent to make sure nothing has been removed or changed in last minute Negotatiating Tactics by the AMPTP.
I agree. Let’s rush it, and make the work as sloppy as possible. That way we leave the AMPTP all sorts of holes to worm their way through after the WGA has been kind enough to call off the strike.
Patience is a virtue.
PS: We’ve been told 5pm PST. It’s a little early to complain that the pot isn’t boiling fast enough.
I’ve been listening to the unitedhollywood video live blog stream… the host was just at the captains meeting where they listed the terms.. here are some of his comments:
“Some people liked the deal. Some people did not like the deal.”
“If you like the DGA deal, you’ll like this.”
He also said the deal provoked “strong feelings”, but that the Q&A was polite and respectful.
(Make of it what you will. I’m sure leaks will now be coming fast and furious.)
Another captain who called in said:
“I’m feeling cautiously optimistic.” and “I think our negotiating committee feels that they did the best they could possibly do for us right now at this time with the leverage they have.”
(uh oh. that doesn’t sound so good.)
The fact that new media jurisdiction was acheived at all, she said, was a big deal.
(I beg to differ.. it was a given for any contract)
The strike captains were given a tentative agreement to look at for the meeting but had it pulled out of their hands before they left.
“There were two distinct opinions” in the lobby afterwards she added. One half was “gleeful” and then there were people who were “concerned”.
(My opinion– unless it’s 0day residuals, forget it. I’m not ready to vote “yes” for any kind of ad-supported “promotional” streaming.)
Shawn Ryan of “The Sheild” and a member of the negotiating committee called after that. Said he hadn’t been at the table since Monday afternoon so didn’t know the latest. Stressed the importance of getting the agreed-to-terms in writing during this week, as terms tend to shift from the discussion to the paperwork. He’s hoping they’ll have the contract language together by Sat night. Doesn’t know how late this may be going. The leadership wants it to members as quick as possible for digestion and so that people can come up with Q&A for the meeting. But they don’t wanna go so fast that they make mistakes in the contract language. Said he understands that many writers do not want leadership to call off the strike before they can vote on the contract– but notes that formal vote can take 10-20 days in West coast and longer for east coast. Also added that leverage on agreeing to come back early may have been something that was used to get better terms. Stressed that no one on the negcom is going to do anything official until after this meeting on saturday.
Also said that although there is a broad spectrum of opinion– it was NOT the case that there was a secret cabal of people threatening fi-core that forced this agreement. “This was always a time David Young had looked at as a time of maximum pressure for us.” Also said, “they want us back to work more than we’re willing to take a bad deal to get back to work.”
As of now, the show is still ongoing. Everyone on the show stressed the importance of the Shrine meeting.
The tentative agreement will hoefully be in PDF form to look at before the meeting. Sounds like PLENTY of time to critically analyze it.
The host just repeated- “again, if you liked the DGA deal you’re really going to like this deal.”
So see you all at the shrine..
The reason the draft language is taking so long is that the AMPTP doesn’t WANT us to have much time to examine the deal points before the hard-sell at tomorrow’s rally.
We are being lubed for easy insertion.
Hmmm…
The language is key in any contract negotiation, the misplacement of a comma or a colon can complete change the meaning of a deal and negate any advances.
The studios know this, which is why they go for big multi-page contracts, they hope to slip something by in a wave of paper.
I hope the WGA doesn’t do anything until a concrete contract, with all the ‘i’s dotted and the ‘t’s crossed to be examined by experts or they’ll be screwed.
I’m the last person to be a militant, but I must say that with no deal, there should be no Oscars.
Of course it’s a game… same bunk happens when deal memos get expanded into contracts. Lawyers plays games until the last minute.. adding a little BS here, short changing you a little there — same old, same old. It’s a game to see who’s willing to budge an inch just to make a dead line. And in this case, budging inches means millions of dollars.
That’s why it was easy for the DGA to trumpet, “Yeah, we got a deal!!” Yeah, they got a deal memo. Come time to put it down on paper, there in for more AMPTP fun.
So how I don’t think this strike will end any time soon. The Powers that be seem to be stalling and will probably blame the writers once again when talks break down again.
As if everyone wasn’t anxious enough. How about a headline “Your Mortage is Overdue.”?
Top Ten Possible Wrong Headlines today:
10. Tick-Tock: No WGA Deal Language Yet
9. Is Your Young Daughter Out Partying and Losing Her Virginity?
8. Your Mortage Is Late and You Have No Money.
7. The Deal Negotiated Will Suck But You’ll Feel Compelled To Take It To Save An Awards Show.
6. A Republican Might Be Our Next President Again.
5. Nobody Is Going To Buy That Side Project You’ve Been Working On.
4. Your Agent Is Going To Drop You The Minute The Strike Ends.
3. Your Agent Is Not Going To Drop You And You Don’t Have The Balls To Fire Him.
2. Your Wife Is Sleeping With Your Agent.
1. Your Agent Is Sleeping With Your Daughter.
Signed,
Not a comedy writer
Two words: Billable hours. This will not be done any sooner than it absolutely has to be. So…. about noon tomorrow, just in time for the East Coast meeting.
No language because the companies are still trying to hold out on a few points… it’s up to them to close this thing so that WGA leadership has time to put it into a deal that David Young will sign — otherwise, tomorrow’s meeting ain’t happening.
I am going on an alcohol strike. I’m going to stay drunk until I see the language.
See you at the Pub.
I just had lunch with my strike captain who came straight from the WGA Strike Captain’s meeting this afternoon at the WGA.
Now, I’m waiting to read the actual contract language, like everyone else. And I want to reserve judgment until we’ve all had a chance to digest it. But here’s the rub:
We’re not being given a chance to digest the deal… IT IS BEING RAMMED DOWN OUR THROATS. My strike captain told me that during tomorrow’s meeting, there may be a voice or hand vote of the assembled membership on whether to accept the deal…
THIS IS A DIRTY TRICK!
The proponents of the deal are using speed as a tactic to silence dissent. How can any meaningful discussion take place in such a short window?
The proponents of the deal have had weeks and weeks to comb through all the fine points, while the rank and file have been completely in the dark during the media blackout. Now we’re being given less than 24 hours to read and digest a deal that will determine all of our futures for years – if not decades – to come?
I urge the WGA Board to give the membership time to discuss the contract among ourselves – not just in the meeting tomorrow – but over the coming days. We MUST HAVE TIME for meaningful discourse.
Of course, the proponents won’t want that – they’re already out spinning how the “strike is over” and the media echo chamber is spreading that lie. And the proponents don’t want to give any time for opponents of the deal to emerge and organize.
To my fellow members: DON’T DRINK THE KOOL AID! DO NOT VOTE TO END THE STRIKE OR ACCEPT THE DEAL TOMORROW!
We need a chance to talk to each other and read the analyses of outside, impartial experts. (Some very smart people will be dissecting the deal as soon as it is published, and this will only take a few days at most.)
Why can’t we simply trust the “recommendation” of our elected negotiators?
Because of a shocking fact:
OUR WGA NEGOTIATORS WERE GIVEN ANOTHER ULTIMATUM: THEY WERE FORCED TO “RECOMMEND” THIS DEAL TO THE MEMBERSHIP AS A CONDITION FOR IT BEING OFFERED AT ALL.
Our negotiators (for whom I have tremendous respect and admiration) have been blackmailed into silent assent by the moguls. They cannot speak out against the deal, or it will be pulled from the table.
Now, I don’t want to prolong the strike, but the deal I read about in the New York Times this morning, and which my strike captain relayed to me at lunch today, seems SHOCKINGLY BAD FOR THE WGA!
I’m hoping that the fine print assuages my major concern:
The precedent of getting “distributor’s gross” is exciting, but it becomes MEANINGLESS if a low residual cap is also given precedent. Who cares what percentage we get, if it’s capped off at $1,200 or even $2400? This is a rate far, far worse than even the reviled DVD formula. At least in that case, the writer gets a per unit residual. A capped download residual is essentially a “buyout.” This is the massive rollback we all feared, no matter what positive spin the put on it.
Maybe there is contract language that will prove the NY Times and my strike captain wrong. God, I hope so. But here it is almost 4pm, the day before the meeting where we’re all supposed to vote on it, and I still haven’t gotten the contract.
I beg, BEG the WGA Board to give us time to analyze the deal before the strike is lifted. This is the most important decision the WGA membership will make for decades.
I was queasy with dread and simmering anger about the deal. I went to the captains meeting today, and, man, was I relieved. The deal is much better than I had thought. I am happy with it. Overjoyed? No. But for me it’s a no-brainer in terms of voting to ratify. So don’t fret and go hoarse until you hear the deal points. And I’ve gotta tell you, I love our leadership. I just do. They have withstood the disinformation and personal attacks and done an admirable job under terribly adverse conditions.
“Writers need to let go of some dreams. It’s not a resounding and humiliating defeat of the companies. But it also doesn’t let the networks and studios treat the Internet like the Wild Wild West.”
Okay guys, this is how the world of business and negotiations work. In a successful negotiation, neither side gets everything, but everyone gets something. If the deal is decent as the strike captain above described, you need to take it. Staying out until everyone is living in cardboard boxes won’t improve what’s being offered. It will just split the union into a camp of fi-core working writers and those who like picketing.
i LOVE that picture!
I don’t know who that strike captain was, but he’s a fucking idiot.
After listening to the negotiator today at NBC explain this “deal” and what’s going to happen next, I’m the most angry and disgusted as I’ve been at any point of this strike–and I’ve had some moments of really being pissed off.
It sounds as if this is a “take it or leave it” deal, just another strong armed technique disguised as a generous handout from the AMPTP. And recommending it, “suspending” the strike, is just another gullible move by the people who are supposed to have the writers best interests at heart. And it sounds like it’s being rammed down our collective gullet and I don’t like it.
Tomorrow night is going to loud, but in the end, the leadership and the negotiating board is going to accept the deal, folding like every other time in our recent history…
And makes me angry that they are so short-sighted.
The moderates will accept it and the hardliners will reject it, both sight unseen – so I wouldn’t worry too much about the specifics
Come on, you’re talking about lawyers and writers. They’ve been in competition for who takes the longest lunches for decades.
LOL!!!
I love the self importance of the strike captains. It cracks me up.
As a Tv fan and reading a lot of remarks by other Tv show fans please I hope these attorneys don’t F’ this up. Everyone is ready to go back to work and this is the biggest weekend for this strike.
If the deal doesn’t go thru who knows what the networks or out of work writers will do .
Please get this done so it that the writers get there due and the Networks the actors production companies can all getto do what they do best produce some top TV shows.
I am personally upset by of all of this because i lost 24 for the season. This settlement goes thru means i only have to wait till september to see 24.
Finally I want to thank you Nikki for having a site i can go to and read the truth from both sides. Thank you again.
It’s a quarter to 6:00 and still no deal. Come on, studio lawyers, thousands of below-the-line people are counting on you to stop playing with the wording just so you can make a few extra pennies and make the damn deal already! The whole town is counting on you, studio lawyers, don’t fuck this up!
I’ve been talking to writers all day. No one is happy about the way this is going down. Everone I spoke to is prepared to make a huge stink about it.
Will everyone please, please SHUT UP! If you think you have been and are being played by the AMPTP (of course you have been),then you have helped them every step of the way during this strike by fanning the fires they have intended to light – union busting and deal breaking – by your endless pontificating on speculation. Stop this clock ticking drama and all these rallying cries. Save these words for a drama you will get paid to write! Do you hear the DGA membership hanging their internal issues out on a public wash line? (Not that I think their is a conscious member in that guild.) No one has any idea what any of them think about their deal, and no one really knows the outcome of their vote yet. They could reject it. Wouldn’t their negotiating team and the AMPTP be surprised.
All of this WGA whining out in the open fuels adjectives about a deal no one has seen. Minds have been made up on nothing more than what is being characterized by a reporter and a handful of WGA fist shakers as a good or bad term. Let’s not add modifiers to speculation. When the terms are presented in writing and explanations are presented for WHY these terms were negotiated then objective, informed, and rational decision can be made about how to proceed.
Remember the important points. In November there was ZERO. In December there was ZERO. In January for most of the month there was ZERO. See how much better than ZERO the WGA leadership was able to negotiate because your strike generated something better than ZERO. Hear why this is a deal your leadership is willing to present to the membership. And SHUT UP! until you get behind closed doors where you can discuss the terms among your own!
Semper Fi
“Writers need to let go of some dreams.”
There will be plenty of spinning on both WGA sides, but it’s clear at this point that the deal presented on Saturday will not have been one worth striking for.
Everyone knew that as soon as the DGA deal was announced. Despite all the posturing, “Strike until it’s right,” and similar B.S., the WGA caved again, and pattern bargaining continues to be insurmountable.
To future WGA leadership, please don’t bother asking for a strike again.
EVER.
For the imbeciles that would support another strike in the future, consider the results of the last four.
Well, point of info, universal entrances off Lankershim were hopping this am. Long lines of cars going in for the first time in a while.
Once again I hope you choke on your own vomit, Nikki. YOU are NOT a reporter (obviously, you work for the free bird cage liner LA weekly), and YOU are responsible directly for prolonging this strike and deeply hurting many folks.
If I ever run into you around town you will know it is me – I will be the one telling you to go FUCK OFF very loudly.
No language, no paperwork… no Oscars. simple as that
I just learned the terms of the deal – it’s basically the DGA deal warmed over. Personally, I understand why the studios and networks pay Counter his high fee to negotiate. He basically ran circles around the WGA leadership and is getting the guild leadership to back a shitty deal. So shitty in fact, that imho, it will overtime make the WGA irrelevant.. if it doesn’t make many people go fi-core. It will create a parallel stream of non WGA, DGA ( and probably SAG) talent and careers. Hell, I might as well start my own prod-co and hire non-wga writers to write my stuff.
That’s my opinion. Others will differ.
What’s is really pathetic about the WGA leaderships is how they are handling this. It’s now common knowledge they agreed with the AMPTP to lift the strike before the membership gets to vote on it. Once you read the details of the deal, you’ll know why. The plan is to keep the details mum until the Saturday meeting, then lift the strike on Sunday night. Don’t give members a chance to digest the numbers, don’t give time for people to communicate, and don’t allow a chance for the membership to vote down the deal. Asked today what would happen if the membership voted down the deal, Dan Young was stumped. We certainly can’t go out on strike again, he mumbled. And that’s the point. That’s what the guild leadership is steamrolling the membership into.
Why? Because if the strike isn’t lifted, pilot season is gone. And there are high powered guild members — some who runs a prominent strike-oriented website (I’ll let you guess which one) – who negotiated in the background and basically put their future before anybody elses’ – which is human nature. There are enough members who are on the verge of breaking off that to prevent the guild from fracturing in today, the leadership took a shity deal.
Which makes my whole last three months of strike a total waste. This deal, despite what the leadership will say, could have been had months ago without a strike. But going in demanding things like animation, reality, doubling of DVD residuals… striking, putting people out of work… and than dropping the items in the new contract… they caused incredible pain and sacrifice for gains that DGA gain while still working (yeah, DVD’s are not double in the new WGA deal)
Like the DGA deal, the WGA deal will have abysmal new media residuals, and internet episodes under $300K will not be covered unless a wga writer is hired (guess how many wga writers they’ll hire).
So my bottom line to the WGA membership out there is…. tomorrow night, force the leadership to submit the deal to a guild vote prior to lifting the strike. The leaderships loyalty should be to the guild’s membership, not to what they tell the AMPTP.
“We’re in this together,” the leadership kept hawking. Yeah. Then let us vote together!
The writers will have less than 24 hours to look over the contract and make a decision? WTF?
How many weeks did it take for the AMPTP and WGA leadership to come up with this contract? But somehow it’s OK that writers only have 24 hours with it and on a weekend no less. Does anyone else see something wrong with this?
Stop rushing this whole procedure for fuck’s sake! I had more time to learn about propositions for Indian casinos. It’s only going to lead to sloppy mistakes.
I read an interesting posting on UnitedHollywood, which includes this shocking tidbit…
OUR WGA NEGOTIATORS WERE GIVEN ANOTHER ULTIMATUM: THEY WERE FORCED TO “RECOMMEND” THIS DEAL TO THE MEMBERSHIP AS A CONDITION FOR IT BEING OFFERED AT ALL.
Here is the posting…
I just had lunch with my strike captain who came straight from the WGA Strike Captain’s meeting this afternoon at the WGA.
Now, I’m waiting to read the actual contract language, like everyone else. And I want to reserve judgment until we’ve all had a chance to digest it. But here’s the rub:
We’re not being given a chance to digest the deal… IT IS BEING RAMMED DOWN OUR THROATS. My strike captain told me that during tomorrow’s meeting, there may be a voice or hand vote of the assembled membership on whether to accept the deal…
THIS IS A DIRTY TRICK!
The proponents of the deal are using speed as a tactic to silence dissent. How can any meaningful discussion take place in such a short window?
The proponents of the deal have had weeks and weeks to comb through all the fine points, while the rank and file have been completely in the dark during the media blackout. Now we’re being given less than 24 hours to read and digest a deal that will determine all of our futures for years – if not decades – to come?
I urge the WGA Board to give the membership time to discuss the contract among ourselves – not just in the meeting tomorrow – but over the coming days. We MUST HAVE TIME for meaningful discourse.
Of course, the proponents won’t want that – they’re already out spinning how the “strike is over” and the media echo chamber is spreading that lie. And the proponents don’t want to give any time for opponents of the deal to emerge and organize.
To my fellow members: DON’T DRINK THE KOOL AID! DO NOT VOTE TO END THE STRIKE OR ACCEPT THE DEAL TOMORROW!
We need a chance to talk to each other and read the analyses of outside, impartial experts. (Some very smart people will be dissecting the deal as soon as it is published, and this will only take a few days at most.)
Why can’t we simply trust the “recommendation” of our elected negotiators?
Because of a shocking fact:
OUR WGA NEGOTIATORS WERE GIVEN ANOTHER ULTIMATUM: THEY WERE FORCED TO “RECOMMEND” THIS DEAL TO THE MEMBERSHIP AS A CONDITION FOR IT BEING OFFERED AT ALL.
Our negotiators (for whom I have tremendous respect and admiration) have been blackmailed into silent assent by the moguls. They cannot speak out against the deal, or it will be pulled from the table.
Now, I don’t want to prolong the strike, but the deal I read about in the New York Times this morning, and which my strike captain relayed to me at lunch today, seems SHOCKINGLY BAD FOR THE WGA!
I’m hoping that the fine print assuages my major concern:
The precedent of getting “distributor’s gross” is exciting, but it becomes MEANINGLESS if a low residual cap is also given precedent. Who cares what percentage we get, if it’s capped off at $1,200 or even $2400? This is a rate far, far worse than even the reviled DVD formula. At least in that case, the writer gets a per unit residual. A capped download residual is essentially a “buyout.” This is the massive rollback we all feared, no matter what positive spin the put on it.
Maybe there is contract language that will prove the NY Times and my strike captain wrong. God, I hope so. But here it is almost 4pm, the day before the meeting where we’re all supposed to vote on it, and I still haven’t gotten the contract.
I beg, BEG the WGA Board to give us time to analyze the deal before the strike is lifted. This is the most important decision the WGA membership will make for decades.
This stupid fight is going to cost many of us, our homes and our lives, grow up, kick out the lawyers and send a leader into the ring!
Give a waiver to the damn oscars if that’s so important to everyone, but no writing by writers till the deal is done. considering how weasely they are being, this is crucial. everyone is a little too enthused about this. that’s what we in the writing business call a red flag.
“17-day window for ad-embedded TV show streaming…”
I hope the union leaders bring enough Kool-Aid for all the thirsty writers!
Get Nick Counter the fuck out of this. He blew it before, he’s a fool, he’s irrelevant. Get lawyers with no chip on their shoulder to put the language in print, get it signed by the CEOs, or we have nothing to discuss at the Shrine tomorrow. No deal, no Oscars, see you on the line Monday. Don’t fuck with us AMPTP.
Reading the UH articles it looks very much like the writers are being offered an ultimatum by thier own leaders and the AMPTP. If you don’t vote for it tomorrow, you lose, seems to be the message. You could almost substitute the words “bearing in mind” with “or else” in the article.
You’ve been on strike for 3 months just to get to this particular date because this date signifies all the cards you have been holding.
Seems to me that you now have your back up against the wall, you aren’t given any real options. The leadership is basically saying if you don’t vote for it tomorrow that you have no bargaining chips to hold over the AMPTP until June. I find that rather disturbing, since all along I kept hearing that by virtue of the strike itself there would be pressure on the AMPTP to deal.
Now apparently it isn’t the strike but rather deadlines that are important in getting the deal. Hmmm.
I’ve notice both Nikki’s site and UH pretty stingy today on posting comments, wonder if that’s significant.
The moguls had plenty of time to make this offer. If the language isn’t ready, it’s their fault. We won’t purposely drag our feet, but we won’t jepoardize our future to meet the timetable they created either.
Looks like the strike won’t be lifted until Wednesday at the earliest. Writers MUST get a minimum of 24 hours to digest the terms, and that ship has sailed.
Always blame the attorneys
Anyone who says not to is likely an attorney, or the parent of one.
The AMPTP attorneys are using the bad faith exhaustion tactic to sneak language in at the finish line
I feel betrayed by my own guild. They have asked for our patience time and again. When the DGA deal came out they admonished us not to make any hasty judgments or come to any quick conclusions.
Now they want all the East Coast writers to have hours, not a couple days, but hours to decide essentially set New Media terms that will become the standard for years.
I picketed, I held my tongue when they told me to, I was a good member, and now I am getting steam-rolled by the leadership to whom I was loyal.
This is being shoved down our throats… Hearing the basic deal points from my strike captain (it’s pretty much just a glossed over version of the DGA deal) I intend to speak out at the meeting tomorrow. I am relatively sure that the deal will get voted down and I don’t think that our leadership should end the strike and do the producers a favor by giving them the Oscars while forcing a bad deal upon it’s membership.
Once the strike is over, even if the deal is voted down, we won’t be going back on strike…so where’s our leverage? We need to hold strong and finish this now with a great deal while we can.
I, like a lot of us, am broke and struggling right now and I don’t want this to all have been for nothing…
I am pretty sure we will either get deal conformation within the next few hours or cancellation of this deal within that timeframe.
If there is a deal, I don’t think the WGA will allow the meetings to go on until Sunday at the earliest if we do have a deal. It is the AMPTP that is trying to screw over the WGA yet again and even if Peter Chernin or Bob Iger promised something in writing last week, they can still say that they don’t remember agreeing to that concession. Hope you do get a good deal, but if you do have to continue the strike, make sure that Washington knows about how the deal fell apart at the last minute.
If you are a member of the AMPTP, mark my words, If there isn’t a deal by midnight you have done the following:
1. UNITED THE WGA AND ALL BELOW THE LINE WORKERS
2. KILLED THE OSCARS
3. ALLOWED WASHINGTON D.C. TO SUBPEONA ALL ACCOUNTING RECORDS FOR USE IN HEARINGS INTO WHY YOU COULDN’T REACH A FAIR DEAL WITH AN UNION THAT ISN’T ASKING FOR MUCH.
4. REAFFIRMED THE PUBLIC’S DISTASTE FOR YOU AND SUPPORT OF THE WGA.
It’s now past midnight here in NY and I have received nothing to look at. I’m checking my email constantly.
Nothing to review.
At this point, I’m ready to walk into the Crown Plaza tomorrow in less than 14 hours and raise holy Hell.
This is a joke. Plain and simple. We are being toyed with here.
How can I vote on anything that is going to affect the rest of my career with only hours (or possibly minutes) given to review it.
Shame on our leadership if they end the strike this weekend.
This entire thing has been bungled and mishandled and we’re sitting looking at a deadline to make a decision that we should have more than hours (or minutes) to make.
If you go to United Hollywood you’ll see the strike captains trying to back us further into corners and push the deal down our throats.
The new thought is you won’t get anything waiting this out until June and striking in tandem with SAG.
I don’t believe that for a minute.
If we continue this strike we will bring the moguls to their knees.
They will have no Oscars, no 2008 Spring TV season. No Fall Season. No Pilot season. They will have no movies to throw up on screens in 2009.
In essence, they will have lost their corporations billions by not agreeing to our terms and giving us a fair deal.
By staying on strike we have even more leverage because if they have no content, they have nothing.
My WGA leadership got me into this. I didn’t want to go on strike, but now that I am, I will accept nothing that is being shoved down my throat with only hours to review.
This is a disgrace.
I hope the NY meeting tomorrow starts the ball rolling with outrage about this.
From what I understand the deal that we’re taking is worse and less than all the interim agreements the WGA has made with the indie’s and places like Worldwide Pants.
Our leadership is actually presenting us a deal that is worse than the interim agreements. That’s shocking.
My question is this. For all the companies who signed interim agreements, are they bound by those or do they get to use this crap deal we’re about to be handed?
If so, I hope all the Letterman writers stand up and scream tomorrow at the NY meeting.
I can’t imagine being told that they are getting rolled back from the interim deal they’ve been working under.
Why is our leadership rushing this and shoving it down our throats so quickly? We dont care about the Oscars and my reps are telling me that pilot season is blown for everyone but the big wigs. Why does it feel like they are catering more to the AMPTP than their own members?
Lets wait and see what the terms are… there’s no point of getting worked up before going into the meeting and listening to what they have to say.
We’ve trusted our team up to this point…
Everyone knows what their core values and principles are… it shouldn’t take you days to decide whether you think the broad strokes of the deal are fair or not. Don’t kid yourself into thinking you’re really going to understand all the minutiae of the deal anyway. If the numbers are low or unfair to you, you’ll know it right away. Let’s not jump on these guys like a bunch of spoiled brats after they’ve worked so hard for the past few months to try to get us something fair.
Lets not act like the AMPTP. We’re better than that. Lets be respectful and listen with an open mind.
There could be a mutiny Saturday night. Verrone and Young have been threatened in very clear terms by the moguls. The two of them now have to think of themselves. This is all you are getting so take it or leave it. When they announce that the clock should start ticking on their own leadership roles. They could be voted out of power tomorrow night. On the other hand most writers want to go back to work. Only the hardcore picketers want to stay out until June. So you have a choice. Get rid of Patric and David and continue striking or swallow your pride for three years and strike again when this contract expires.
I was at the meeting today and I saw the basic points of the deal. Believe me, you don’t need days to digest this information. It’s definitely not the kind of deal we should throw a ticker tape parade over, but it’s a major step in the right direction when you consider these guys (AMPTP) weren’t even willing to admit that they make money on the internet. More importantly, and this is the major difference between this and the DGA deal, it’s a percentage of new media rather than a flat fee. That means that while it turns out the be about the same amount of residuals for now as the DGA, if there’s an increase in revenue, we then have an increase in our residuals, whereas the DGA doesn’t. I know everyone feels that after three months of picketing, we should get everything we wanted, but negotiations don’t work like that. Particularly when you’re dealing with conglomerates that have such deep pockets.
For those who are complaining about how our leadership has sold us out, you’re wrong. Tomorrow night’s meeting has been set up so they can take the temperature of the group. They are not ramming this down our throats, they’re simply recommending it. And for anyone who thinks that this is just the DGA deal warmed over, then you might be right. But consider this, the DGA would never have gotten that deal if it weren’t for our strike. The leadership of the Guild has worked hard to get us a foothold in new media, and with this deal they’ve done that. Let’s give them their props.
Some of you people are incredible. So every issue on which the WGA lawyers and the AMPTP lawyers disagree is the AMPTP lawyers’ fault? And every time a disagreement in the drafting arises the AMPTP lawyers have to go back to the CEOs who tell them to “back off?” What world are you people living in?
You know what – stay on strike. Vote it down. But stop the stupid tough-guy routine. Nobody is buying it, notwithstanding the logrolling going on at this blog.
This strike better end soon, or “There Will Be Blood” won’t just be the title of a movie.
Didn’t any of you ever see The Godfather?
“Never tell anyone what you’re thinking.” and “Never take sides against the family.”
I want to know why the writers are being forced by Guild leadership to decide on this under such a tight timeframe. I “get” why the AMPTP would want that. I don’t understand why the WGA leaders would go along with it. I’m wondering if that United Hollywood post about the “take it now or you lose the offer forever” rumor was true.
And if the strike doesn’t end then for goodness sake, do NOT give the AMPTP a waiver for the Oscars. That’s just plain stupid.
If the writer’s reject this deal, I predict that the AMPTP will come back in a few days and be willing to lower the 17 day window.
The companies are under the gun now too. They will be willing to make a better offer quickly, they just don’t expect that the WGA has enough balls to make them raise their offer.
The writers should wake up and realize that if Big Media is willing to lose this season and pilot season for a 17 day window, then that window is the key to billions of dollars of revenue for them.
This is hilarious. For months all the militants have been screaming ‘Trust the leadership!’ Those of us working writers who actually make a living in this business and cautioned against whipping up the marginally working membership, and here is why. You were promised the world and you are getting a big dose of reality. And now you want to tar and feather Patric and David. It’s sad, but I’ve laughed quite a bit today already.
Welcome to the actual world where adults live. This is how things are settled. You don’t get all that you want. David does not slay Goliath.
WGAE Writer: Are you stupid or what? Did you honestly think that the negotiated overall deal would be BETTER than the interim agreements? The only reason those companies sign the interim agreements is that they KNOW they’ll get a more favorable deal for themselves in the long run, so signing the interim just gets them a head-start with no real downside.
Nick Counter is reading this thread, these comments and he is laughing. The Corleones are right DO NOT DISCUSS THIS IN PUBLIC. Wait until tomorrow. Listen. Then comment. The Shrine has decent acoustics. Our leadership will be able to take the temperature very swiftly.
You saw the update. The AMPTP had this stuff Tuesday and didn’t respond with notes until 5pm Friday…
You tell me what the AMPTP is up to.
It’s like being at a car dealership. The car salesman swears that this is a great deal. You ask to see the contract.
The car salesman tells you that this is the best deal you’re ever going to get. You ask to see it in writing.
The car dealer swears you won’t do better than this deal right here. This is the best deal possible. You start to feel like well, I’m getting a good deal.
The car salesman says you only have so much time or the offer goes away. You take a quick glance at the terms that are finally available now that you’re ready to sign. Hey, with a quick glance, they seem to say everything that car dealer said. Surely, everything you verbally agreed to is in there.
It’s late. You’ve been haggling all day. You are exhausted and you just want this to be over.
You make the deal.
You go home. The next day you read the contract carefully. You have some time to think about it without pressure. Uh-oh.
You realized that you’ve been fucked.
Can’t stand people who use as the basis of their argument “grow up” “act like an adult” “this is the real world”
say something meaningful or do not speak
meanwhile, you writers have the upper hand over amptp
hope you realize that and don’t sign off on a mediocre deal after all this
and, it IS the lawyers who make the misery – they are the ones who make buckets of money generating and prolonging strife – billable hours indeed.
Tomorrow, the deal proposal will be making several fear-based arguments for accepting the deal. Here are three of them:
1. A vote AGAINST the deal is a vote FOR the current contract. This talking point will be worked into rebuttals of those who are against the deal.
2. The most leverage the the guild has is NOW. If the strike continues, the deal can only get WORSE, because AMPTP will begin to drawback on the terms. NOW will be the only time that you can get this “good” deal.
3. “Three years from now” will be mentioned often. If the WGA leadership thinks the members are gullible enough to go on strike again for another deal that won’t be worth the strike, well… On second thought, the leadership is probably right. After the complete failure of the “America’s Next Top Model” strike orchestrated by Verrone and Young, members still thought that this strike would be successful.
Predictions:
1. The NegCom will end the strike. They don’t need membership approval to do it. They will claim it was an “agonizing” decision that was made with great difficulty, but they determined that it was in the best interest of the members. In reality, the decision has already been made.
2. After ending the strike, the members approve the deal. Not voting for the new contract means working under the existing contract. The new contract will be better in the same way that deer blood is probably better tasting than pus-filled fluid from an ass maggot. There will be no incentive not to vote for the deal.
I don’t feel good about agreeing to legal writing that was written in haste at, literally, the 11th hour.
Putting the terms out tonight and then postponing our meeting until Wednesday will not kill pilot season or the Oscars. It would give us time to analyze the offer and make informed decisions based on our own conscience, not on fervor and positive spin from people who had to agree to endorse the offer in order to get it.
All I’m asking after months of sacrifice, is for a few days of study. Then an evening of debate.
I’ve been reading these blogs. Anyone who is upset about what will be in the deal is not a student of strikes. No one will be happy with the deal. I’m not a shill. I’m a writer who’s been on the picket line every day. I’ve lost tens of thousands of dollars during this strike. In a strike, everyone compromises. As for the timing, I’m assuming we’re getting as much as we can from the AMPTP bastards because of the pressure of the risk of losing the Oscars. So, just know that I will be there at the meeting on Saturday to support a deal that is reasonable. And of course it won’t be as good as the interim deals. DUH.
They wouldn’t let me post this on Unitedhollywood. Surprise, they only like you if you agree with them:
You do realize, don’t you, that the AMPTP wants you to reject this deal? They’ve beaten you at every turn and brought the whole union to the point disintegration. If you vote the deal down, then they get to hire scabs. If anyone complains, they just say, “Hey, we tried to work it out with the WGA, and even got them a deal, but they’re psychos and won’t be reasonable.”
You never had a chance to win this in the first place. I can’t imagine anyone here still likes Verrone, but even his apologists have to admit he has bunged every stage of this operation. It is difficult to demand things from someone who doesn’t need you as much as you need them. And when you do it as badly as Verrone does, you end up with what you now have.
um… 12:06 PST…. Nikki is there a deal yet?
anything yet? the suspense is killing me…
Is the strike working?
From CNN:
CBS has taken the toughest hit, with its audience shrinking 22 percent from year to year. Analysts said CBS appeared to do the least to prepare for the strike. CBS said it purposely held back some of its contingency programming — another season of “Big Brother,” a network airing of the Showtime hit “Dexter” — for February.
ABC, which is off 14 percent, has more new programming rolling out. But it has been hit hard by the absence of hits such as “Desperate Housewives” and “Grey’s Anatomy,” which don’t repeat well.
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Make the studios understand why it’s important to pay the people who write the stories to generate ad dollars RIGHT. Strike is working, if you guys stay strong, the studios will be in a world of pain very soon…
It’s not like if membership says no to this the AMPTP will walk away from the table until June. Why? Because the 800 pound gorilla walks into the room in June.
If the membership says no tomorrow, the AMPTP will up its terms quickly. Remember it wants the WGA to take something, so that it can force SAG to accept the same terms.
The last thing they want is to lose two seasons and their tentpole films only to have SAG rush in to revive the troops and win the war.
I hasten to remind everyone that SAG President Alan Rosenberg has already rejected pattern bargaining. From what little I have read and heard, moreover, SAG is in a militant mood (full disclosure: I’m a SAG member who’s walked the lines with the WGA).
The de facto feature production SAG strike begins around March 1 if there’s any suspicion the actors are walking when their contract is up.
That’s a scant three weeks away. The WGA strike’s been going for three months. If SAG doesn’t think there’s going to be a fair deal for the actors, the cavalry arrives, and Nick Counter knows it.
Hang tough my WGA brothers and sisters. If the deal isn’t fair, you are under no obligation to accept it. Let the AMPTP leave the table yet again in a huff. Let them threaten to greenlight “Fear Factor: The Motion Picture”. Remember you are helping them stay in business in the long haul by getting a better deal, because the better the deal the AMPTP offers, the more competitive they will be in retaining creative labor (that would be you) in a future market which promises potentially very lucrative options from a range of new companies that will be enticed by the ease of entry Internet distribution offers.
Remember all the small companies that sprang up seemingly out of nowhere when VHS became popular? That was just a warm-up for the Internet.
Bottom line (and I apologize for veering to multiple topics), the AMPTP needs you more than you need them, no matter what condition your mortgage is in.
I don’t believe there should be pressure on the membership to make a hasty decision. This may indeed be the best deal that is possible at this moment and that is something to be factored for serious consideration. SAG has their chance in June to up the deal and close that awful 17 day window. Maybe they can put DVD back on the table, since they never gave it up in the first place.
The “deadline” energy that seems to be present, however, I believe is counterproductive to a well informed and measured opinion. The informal hand count to decide on whether to keep striking or stop striking on Saturday does feel a bit rushed and unfair to the membership. I, myself, would feel resentful about that and would vote “no” on calling off the strike just because I would want time to evaluate the deal. But then I am not a Guild member, but my husband is. He’s even cautious to call off the strike at this point without knowing what the terms of the deal are.
About that Pilot season, right now for a March shoot, about three weeks of pre-production has been used up. In one week, it seems there would be a point of no return for a March shoot. That is unfortunate. What is the point of no return for an April shoot? Maybe three weeks from now? Or even four weeks from now? Can some March productions be pushed back to April?
I agree with Stuic at the UH boards that there is an intermediate time period that can be played during which the WGA membership can evaluate their true gut feelings and take in a measured analysis of the current deal on the table.
Give AMPTP a bone and waiver the Oscars, but remain on strike while the deal is being evaluated. The feeling tone to me, as an outsider, is if you call off the strike you are indicating that you are accepting this deal. If you remain on strike while evaluating this deal and the membership finally comes to the conclusion that this is not a “good enough deal,” the pressure for the AMPTP to come to the table quickly and toss the last bones will be enormous. But then again, I’m an outsider looking in and this may be a misinformed impression.
Granted, I understand people wanting to get back to work to save their shows and people are losing their homes, so what is the best compromise for the WGA membership to have the time for evaluation while helping their fellow crew and colleagues rescue the shows they desperately want to get back to?
It is after 5:30 a.m. on the East Coast. Still no deal to form an opinion on.
The AMPTP had days to address the points and started to work at 5 p.m. the day before the meeting?
Something is rotten in Denmark.
It’s 2:51 and we’ve got a deal!!!!
Whoo-hoo!
The perfect deal? No. But a much much better deal than had we not gone on strike. It seems a reasonable and practical deal brought to us by our reasonable and practical leadership.
Can’t wait for the meeting Saturday to go over the details.
Thanks for all your hard work Patrick, David, and John!! You saved the profession of Hollywood writer.
It’s up…finally. Email was received at 2:50AM. Would love to see the reactions from the drunk writers coming home from a night out. No surprises.
Just reading some of the comments here about trusting your leaders and kind of chuckling to myself. I once was a leader much like the ones in your union, had to make similar decisions as you are going to see today. Once we had an offer it was important for us to show a united front to the membership and we would vote for that, majorty ruled and we presented to the membership united. But I have to tell you, I often had major reservation about some of those deals, and regrets over supporting them. But it was the union thing to do.
I caution writers, that you should be voting on the issues you read in the contract language, and NOT because someone has told you there will be consequences to voting it down. That’s nonsense and you should know it, if you vote this down the AMPTP is placed back in the same position of having to make a deal with the WGA. Possibly a much bettr deal as they know you won’t be easily fooled.
The heat should be on the AMPTP and not the writers to settle this in a timely fashion. If there are any deadlines they are the ones the AMPTP has self imposed, a week, a month will make no difference in salvaging the 2009 season, or for that matter the remainder of the current one if the studios simply change the timetable. As for the Oscars, they can be delayed, even cancelled, it makes no difference. These things are red herrings, out there to get you to support a contract that might not be the best for you. your true power and bargaining chip is your withdrawl from work, your strike action. Give that up now and you have no hope of getting a better deal now or next time your contract comes up.
This isn’t supposed to be about getting your foot in the door, this was supposed to be about making sure the future was secure and that door was wide open. Don’t buy into this nonsense that a vote against the contract is a vote against your leadership, they are not one and the same. Sad to see the obvious propoganda coming this time from the union side.
I would just like to urge all of you to seriously think about the 17 day promo window. As someone who has been creating original streaming content for the web since the year 2000, I can promise you that an overwhelming majority of the shows streamed will take place within a week of the original airing of the show on television. Allowing any kind of free window of time will mean rollbacks for every writer. Huge rollbacks. In my opinion, it renders the entire Internet streaming section of the contract completely useless.
I would strongly urge the leadership and board to request access to the networks stats packages showing exactly how many episodes are streamed and when before agreeing to any promo window. And I mean the raw data, not the stats the companies put together for their own purposes. Why would you agree to this when you have no idea how much you’re giving up? I promise you the AMPTP knows the 17 day window is their key to victory. If a deal is ratified containing a promo window, the WGA will lose everything it went on strike for.
The deal summary arrived just before 3 a.m. PST.
And brother, it blows. Here I though our negotiators, since they were using the DGA deal as a template, would at least improve somewhat on its terms, but:
The celebrated 2 percent of distributor’s gross residual for network prime time series is CAPPED at $800 every six moths for hour long shows and $400 for half-hours!
The TOP rate for electronic sell-through is 0.7 microscopic percent. Considering that there are actual physical manufacturing costs to make DVDs, this may actually be worse than our home video rate!
And we’re still stuck with a free “promotional” window that’s three times longer than it should be!
This is just the DGA deal with some of the shit smeared off. But not much. (Yes, the DGA fucked us over good.) Not at all what I’ve been striking for.
See you back on the picket lines Monday.
Seems like a last ditch attempt at a power play on the part of the AMPTP hoping that the WGA will cave in on a few more points the closer to midnight it gets. Hope they don’t give in to it. After all haven’t the AMPTP had the meeting notes for days?
http://www.wgaeast.org/index.php/articles/1373?wgra=1#wga1373
and
http://unitedhollywood.blogspot.com/2008/02/letter-from-presidents-with-deal.html
Specific terms of the agreement are described in the summary at the following link – http://mail.citrustudio.com/ct/1843160:2030523191:m:1:92379114:20BFF2AA6AD09D5016D8531C64503D7B- and will be further discussed at our Saturday membership meetings on both coasts. At those meetings we will also discuss how we will proceed regarding ratification of this agreement and lifting the restraining order that ends the strike.
I am floored by the paranoia on this comment board. If you know anything about negotiation, you know that one of the strongest points of leverage is the deadline. When you know your opponent has a deadline, you use it to your advantage, knowing all the while that if you go too far and the deadline passes, your advantage is lost.
Hear this loud and clear, my hysterical brothers and sisters: all of the gains we made beyond the DGA deal were a direct result of our leaders promising to recommend the deal for a fast vote, in time to save the Oscars and the rest of the TV season. If this does not happen, all the gains will be taken off the table. Get it? It’s a quid pro quo. They gave us a deal that our leaders can recommend to the committee and we assured them that it would be put to a fast vote. No fast vote, no deal.
Second, read the Guild constitution. We elected our representatives and empowered them to vote for us. When they vote, we are voting. Do you whine for a plebiscite every time that Congress votes on a bill?
Honestly, grow up.
And, by the way, a room full of yeas and nays will tell our leaders just as much as the ultimate vote will. If the deal is shouted down at the meeting, it will not pass. So relax.
Looking upon our leadership as our enemy is just plain crazy, a paranoia born of studio abuse and our own self-loathing.
They deserve better.
Regarding the WGA’s “tentative deal” … PLAIN AND SIMPLE, THIS IS AN AWFUL DEAL FOR WRITERS AND SHOULD BE IMMEDIATELY REJECTED BY THE WGA MEMBERSHIP. How could the membership even be presented with something like this? It pains me to say this but the leadership sold out the membership and that makes this a sad day indeed. But in terms of the business at hand, no one should sign off on this, no Oscar waiver should be given, and the strike should continue with full force. I can’t imagine WGA members will allow this thing to be jammed down their throats throats. Nor can I believe that members will, for another moment, allow these two-bit attempts to pressure and strong-arm the WGA will actually succeed. KEEP STRIKING – WITH MORE SOLIDARITY THAN EVER.
This is great news. Now if SAG can get a deal done soon, we can finally end all this strike talk. As someone who intends to be a WGA/DGA member soon, I hope these deals are fair ones as well. Congrats, guys.
I find it interesting that, for the past two months, the mantra from all of the diehards has been TRUST OUR LEADERS.
Now, our leaders present a deal, and the mantra is DON’T TRUST OUR LEADERS.
This is quite simply a confirmation of what I’ve suspected since this strike began. It’s being driven by people who simply want to strike, who relish being on the line, who thrive on having a CAUSE to wake up to in the morning, something that will give their sad lives meaning.
To anyone who thinks with his or her brain instead of their adrenal gland, this is a good deal, and a big step forward. I predict that the the strike will end tonight.
To those of you who still need a cause, I say — keep picketing. There’s no reason that, with the end of the strike, you can’t all get together with your signs and stroll around in front of a selected studio gate. The themed pickets don’t have to go anywhere, really. In fact, tomorrow morning, start planning that Valentines Gay Assistants with Dogs Picket. It’ll make you feel better.
So this was all for 100 bucks a month.
Millions lost. Thousands unemployed. For 100 bucks.
If there is a punchline here I don’t see it. Striking the net when only pornographers make money off it- was that as silly as the “dot com” bubble where companies were started that had nothing to offer.
Now the studio heads are openly discussing reprisals against the writers. Severe cuts in developement deals and the like.
American labor needs to abandon 1930’s rhetoric. In Europe, unions base their appeals on family and job stability.
Not “fighting the bosses”.
Having watched this debate for the past few months, working in this town and talking to a whole lot of people on all sides of the issue, a few things have become crystal clear to me:
1. The “writers” who post vitriolic and anarchy-laced rhetoric on this site (the “only-take-the-best-deal-in-the-history-of-negotiations” people) are in a SEVERE minority within the Guild, leagues away from the masses that understand that this battle is not going to be won over one contract, one strike.
2. These are the same people that have become drunk on the idea that they’re powerful during this strike – and they’re right, they are to a large degree – and it’s totally gone to their heads. This is likely their first power-play and they’re milking the feeling for all that it’s worth.
Here’s the simple truth: the writers deserve more than they’re going to get with this settlement. There are no two ways about it. However, Reasonable Writer is absolutely on the right course: it’s a step, and when you work in business negotiations like this, the “enemy” doesn’t capitulate in one fell swoop. Voting down this deal would be complete and unbridled idiocy.
It seems as though everyone on this board (though not in the rest of the WGA community) is forgetting a key factor: this contract, if it’s ratified, is not the end of the line. You don’t have to live with this forever. It’s a three-year contract. It will be up in a matter of 36 months. Between now and then, Internet streaming will NOT become the industry mainstay. It will grow exponentially and it will become a MAJOR factor, but it will not become the standard. It will, however, be more applicable for data-gathering and studying, and with that in mind, the WGA can negotiate a better deal when time for a new contract rolls around. If you don’t get the terms you want, you strike again. You force your hand. It might not be the ideal timing you had in this go-round, but do you really, really think the Producers believe they can fuck with you like they’ve done in the past? That next time you WON’T hold out for a year over a zero-day promotional window?
This contract is going to be accepted because there is too much riding on it for too many people and because it’s a short-term deal. Get used to this idea. Whether or not you got “Everything” you wanted is irrelevant because, in business negotiations, this doesn’t happen. You took gigantic steps, showed resolve that no one expected, and did a great thing for your membership. Now buckle down, take a tiny bit of medicine for the next three years, and start gearing up TODAY for the next campaign.
That United Hollywod site is a joke
They’re pushing and lobbying for acceptance of this deal
That is inappropriate
Vote your own mind
Do not accept having your vote stolen by a governing board
Do not call off the strike until you’ve approved the deal
Do not be sandwiched into a 5-12 hour decision by the amptp. WHY IS YOUR WGA ALLOWING AMPTP TO DICTATE A 5-12 HOUR DECISION WINDOW? THAT’S ABSURD. USE YOUR LEVERAGE WGA. DON’T LET A FEW MAKE THE DECISION FOR MANY.
I hope that everyone reading these anonymous message boards realizes how much shill posting is going on. Wouldn’t it be great if you could see who all the people really are that are posting under names like “WGA writer”? I think you’d find that many of them are studio execs, disgruntled members of other unions etc.. (and if you think that important, busy people like studio execs and showrunners don’t have better things to do than try to stir sh*t up on a forum like this, you don’t know them like I do)
And people that argue for the studio side and come off looking like idiots? Very possibly WGA members being Machiavellian.
So take it all with a grain of salt. If someone signs their post “HollywoodLawyer” – you can bet that they’re probably a 16 year old from Cleveland.
call off the strike BEFORE the membership votes..? that is just INSANE… that is a very simple recipe to BUST THIS UNION… if this is really what my leadership agreed to, somebody please remove the knife from back…
how about some old-school democracy…? some will like the deal, some won’t… we take a membership vote… not the WGA Board of Directors or the Companies pre-ordaining the resolution… and no matter what the outcome, we all accept the result and hang together as a union…
I don’t understand… these residuals are for paid streaming, right? Well, who pays for television? It’s all about ad revenue – if we aren’t sharing in that, then there’s no point…
Still trying to understand this contract. I think it’s pretty shifty that we have no time to digest it before tonight’s sales pitch. I really hope that our leadership listens to its members and allows us to vote on the deal before lifting the strike. If they shove this down our throats, I’ll really consider going fi-core after the strike is lifted – just to make a point. After all, this is our union – our vote should matter.
The deal looks likea dog, a dog with fleas. I see more than one deal breaker. I’d just like to say to the members who think they have no more leverage or don’t have any more cards to play that they are wrong. 1) In terms of PR, they did you a favor by missing the deadline. You miss a deadline all bets are off. 2) The product from the side deals has yet to be seen including the numerous web series that surely are in production and that means advertisers. Once those projects start pulling advertiser dollars away from the studios you’ll hit them where they live.
This deal will surely test the Guild’s mettle.
Okay. Is there any final chance to push back on one thing? On the idea that after our meeting, there’s a call to Igar, or Chernin, saying “Wow. We think the members will vote for this, IF we get one thing done — shrink the window from 17 days to 12 — or something like that? IS there a real reason for this meeting tonight, or is it just theater?
It’s a helluva lot better than the DGA deal. And these developments serve to break the layman’s assumption that one party’s deal must serve as precedent for that of another. Experienced attorneys know that “precedent” holds little weight in deal negotiations. I have a lot of respect for the writer’s organization and perseverance, and I bet that the studio moguls do, too; no matter what they say publicly, they certainly can’t call the writers “pussies.”
Why is WGA permitting AMPTP to dictate the timetable, esp. an unreasonable one
AMPTP is desperate – why isn’t WGA using their leverage? AMPTP miscalculated themselves into a tight corner, they need this strike to end. Make no mistake, the writers have the power at this point.
those alleged writers who roll over and comment, “well nothing’s perfect, this is as good as it gets” are the exact wishy-washy type the amptp is betting on
if wga rejects the deal, what do you think amptp is going to do – close up shop and go out of business? negotiations will continue, but faster because amptp knows wga means business
there’s probably a very small powerful faction of writers pushing verrone to accept the deal because these writers command so much money they are unaffected by nuts and bolts of a deal, and want to get back to work and collect their big paycheck.
Two things:
I was at the captains’ meeting. Nikke, you heard wrong. Most captains were very supportive of the deal. Huge applause for Young, Bowman and Verrone.
Also, don’t look at it as the AMPTP pressuring the WGA to accept a deal immediately. Look at it as the WGA pressuring the AMPTP: sweeten the deal immediately or you’ll lose the Oscars, pilot season, etc.
Jesse
The strike captain’s meeting may have been divided 50 / 50 and these boards might reflect the same split – but that is not considering the 7000+ members (out of 10) who haven’t even picketed. Wonder which side they’re on…
I don’t feel like this deal is being shoved down my throat. I feel like this deal was fought for, has been achieved, and is being presented quickly – to accommodate one of the cards that helped us achieve this deal.
I LOVE THIS DEAL
Jessy S said:
“1. UNITED THE WGA AND ALL BELOW THE LINE WORKERS”
Are you out of your mind? I don’t think many BTL workers have much sympathy with you anymore.
This was a worthless strike that did nothing but hurt innocent people, all in the name of guild members continuing to line their own pockets.
Your leadership is completely incompetent – and this strike accomplished nothing. You all look like a bunch of whining idiots.
The leadership trying to spin this as a victory for the guild is downright amusing. You lost…big time.
Enjoy your union while you can. In 10 years, it will be a relic in the scrap heap of history – where it belongs.
Again, where is our “Favored Nations” clause? We were told yesterday that Peter Chernin looked out negotiators in the eye and said “you’ll have it.” Chernin then denied this to his lawyers.
David Young yesterday told us if it’s not in there, he’s not recommending this contract to the Board and the Negotiating Committee… but here we are moving forward to end the strike
Yes, we’ve been told a LOT of things by our leadership that didn’t come to pass (faithful to an election year I guess) – “we will have sympathy strikes” (John Bowman), “we will have reality” (Patric), “health insurance will continue” (everyone) – all lies right to our face to keep us inspired. Gee, maybe we should cut Chernin some slack for lying after all…
Look, if SAG betters our streaming window timeframe, we should be able to better ours. But we should not stand here and say “gee, they lied to us, we accept it.” Again. From anyone
In all honesty, this deal’s the best we’re gonna get without waiting & striking another 3-4 months… but if the other side agreed to a favored nations clause, we have to hold them to it.
And if they didn’t, and we were told they did to keep us inspired, someone needs to be held accountable
We trusted our leadership when they said we should walk off our jobs, and we should damn well trust when they say it’s time to go back. That’s why we voted for them! If we abandon them now it will do more to breakup this guild than the amptp ever could!
I have a feeling if this contract is voted down by a small margin, a flood of writers with jobs to go back to will go fi-corp. I know I will.
I’m very disappointed in a number of areas. On the one hand, we talk about “When they profit, we profit,” but then there are loopholes galore.
“(3) If you create an Internet program that is the equivalent of a traditional TV series
(over $25,000 per minute and 20 minutes in length) you are entitled to the same rights
as in (2) above, plus sequel payments for each Internet episode based on your program”
So, the studios come out with a new kind of Internet program. Guess what: It’s 19.5 minutes long, it costs $24,999 a minute and guess what – there are three new “episodes” a day for an hour of your viewing pleasure!
And as for that budget – who really knows what the budget is? The Company? Sure, the same as they know what producer’s gross profit is: WHATEVER THEY SAY IT IS!
Same with the $15,000 a minute threshold. Who counts the beans? If a star or director is under contract for a fixed annual amount (no, that isn’t how business is done now, but union contracts change the way the Companies do business), how is his/her contribution budgeted in? What exactly IS a budget, anyway? And who but a biggish company can afford that kind of money? If all signatories to the MBA don’t provide coverage for ALL content produced, they will find a way around us – I double-damn guarantee you – except maybe for the next Bourne movie or the Titanic sequel (blub-blub).
I could go on, but I’m too disgusted. I urge writers to look at this deal not in terms of the way business is done today but in terms of how business will be done under this contract. We signed a bad cable deal because it never occurred to us that a company would sell a show to its own cable arm for a dollar and rerun the shit out of it. They did it to save residual money, folks, and there are lots of ways in this contract for them to tweak their “business plan” to avoid sharing the revenue with us.
Stanley, past history does not bear out your suggestion that “You don’t have to live with this forever.” Were we ever able to rectify the home video rip-off? The cable rip-off? The DVD rip-off? No, history says once you start taking it up the old chute, count on continuing to take it the same way for a long time.
I love it when some of these bloggers pick a single term out of the deal, complain that it sucks, and then leap straight to the conclusion that “this is a disgrace” and that by waiting ’til June “we will bring the moguls to their knees”.
And, by the way, calling our strike captains “self important” and “trying to push our backs against the wall.”
This is the equivalent of complaining about the food on a cruise ship by shooting the captain and tossing the crew overboard.
For the record: our strike captains (and I’m not one of them) have been nothing short of spectacular. I’ve marched with them and more importantly I’ve been kept incredibly up-to-date by them. They’ve had to listen to a million different opinions, complaints, and bad jokes.
We owe all of them a big THANK YOU for their selfless service.
I support this leadership. I (tentatively) support this deal, though I have questions. The DGA deal was a stepping stone. This deal is another. The SAG deal will be a third.
Small steps. Incremental progress. Concrete, real-world progress. Less than we deserve. More than they wanted to give.
The critics and hysterics will have their moment, here and now. They’re angry. They’ll promise a bright rosy Maoist future, somewhere on the glorious battlefields of Pico and Melrose and Bob Hope Drive …
Of course, they won’t have a plan how to get there. They haven’t earned our trust the way this leadership has. Their offer is essentially emotional. First, pick a term you don’t like. Then get angry. Get outraged. Cry “havoc” – and let loose the dogs of war!
And throw the leadership under the bus.
I don’t love the deal. I have questions. But I have no reason to think that Verrone, Young and Bowman have either caved or morphed into Nick Counter.
“Something is rotten in Denmark” indeed. It’s called blogger paranoia.
I posted this on UH last night. My position hasn’t changed… I would like to know SAGs official position on this but they have pretty much voiced their concerns about the 17 Day promo window already…
PJ said…
As long as the 17 day promo window remains shut, it could get very stuffy in that meeting room tomorrow IMO.
We need fresh air to breathe and that means opening the window and that may take more time to unlock it.
Companies are playing “let them sweat” with these premeditated bullying delay tactics. I don’t like ultimatums or pressure tactics or backsliding in order to back Writers into a time constraint corner.
I don’t understand why Companies won’t share in day one percentage sharing of EST revenues. An estimated 25-36% of TV audiences now now watch TV Shows online and that number is growing.
Internet advertising is 40 billion this year and expected to double in three years. NBC alone will make 1 billion this year.
Baiting TV Writers with a deal which amounts to a rollback in order to save the TV Season doesn’t make much sense to me.
And SAG already voiced their opinion on this 17 day promo window issue.
So what’s the point of accepting a deal that is unacceptable to SAG?
We will in effect be on strike again with production shut down in a matter of months and be stuck with a crappy deal as a result.
I think we need MORE leverage…
I would rather wait for a de facto WGA/SAG Strike and get a better deal than have to go through this again in 36 months…
Or in three months…
I hate to say this because I hate this Strike but I wouldn’t be shocked if the Monday Morning headlines Read:
“Writers reject deal, 17 Day Promo window the sticking point. SAG weighs in, calling it an unacceptable rollback”
To all the posters who say you trusted your leaders to get you into this, why don’t you trust them now? I say:
I did not vote for this strike because I trusted my leadership.
I looked at what the amptp was offering and realized that it would decimate writers. i didn’t blindly follow anyone then and I am not about to start blindly following anyone now.
Trust your leadership? This is hollywood. And I am perfectly capable of deciding for myself that a 17 day window and a 400 cap on shows like the office, and a .7 percent rate on something which has no manufacturing costs will decimate our future as a guild.
Trying to say oh we can strike again in 3 years is the biggest crock of shit yet. Look at history. It took us almost 20 years to build up our strength and willingness to fight again.
I am sure the AMPTP would love it if we strike for a couple months every 3 years. They could clean house of unwanted deals, boost their fourth quarter earnings, try out all their reality shows trying to find the next American Idol.
Either way forcing a bad deal this quickly is good for the AMPTP: Either the WGA gets locked into a shitty deal and doesn’t have the strength to fight again in just three months OR they see strikes of three months as a way to regularly clean house.
I will not vote for a strike again now that I know I will be treated so poorly at the end of it.
I beg everyone who is coming to the meeting to watch the “why we strike video” again.
We have offered a reasonable and fair deal from the beginning. We have suffered massive losses to that proposal along the way and now we are rushed a deal that includes new losses. We are being given NO TIME for study and thoughtful debate.
The AMPTP wants to create a false urgency. The Oscars will not go away if we take the EDUCATED temperature of the membership on Wednesday, instead of the UNEDUCATED KNEE JERK REACTIONS that it will get tonight.
This deal is an insult not only to the WGA members, but also to all of the BTL’ers who have been forced out of work for three months by the incompetent leadership of the WGA. Verone’s letter is pathetic and condescending; he should simply admit that he and Young failed in their efforts. The WGA membership should vote down this deal immediately, replace the inept leaders of their negotiating committee, and continue to strike until a respectable deal is reached. Otherwise, how can the general members of the WGA ever look another BTL crew member in the eye? How will they be able to justify the fact that THOUSANDS have been put out of work so that WGA members could put an extra $200 bucks in their pockets?
If a show of hands at tonight’s meeting indicates 75% or more in favor of this deal, then we should call off the strike. But if we’re anywhere below that… in the range of 60 something percent… then this MUST go to the full membership for a vote, the strike must continue until the results are in, and the Oscars must NOT be granted a waiver. June is just around the corner.
I say this as an out-of-town writer unable to fly to LA to attend. My voice matters less, as I am mostly a feature writer and the weakest parts of this deal are TV related.
I looked at the terms of this deal and here are some pros and Cons:
Cons:
*The 17-24 Day promotional window
*The No Strike Pledge (regarding other Guilds’/unions’ strikes)
*(Actually those are the only two cons that I can think of in the deal.)
Pros:
*Writing for new media is covered and doesn’t affect the 17-24 day promotional window which is primetime series streamed on new media.
*Writing for new media can work two ways: 1. a network orders a new media serial. 2. A New media serial is made by an independent writer of an independent production company who can post the creation anywhere he/she wishes, and as long as he/she is a professional writer, the project is covered by the MBA, or it costs at least $15,000 to produce one minute of media.
*All unemployed WGA members can produce new media content and that could be an end around pitch season.
*Google/You Tube and other video sharing sites are now members of the AMPTP whether they like it or not.
*In about three years time there is no telling how many NEW members the WGA will have.
*Don’t tell this to Freemante/North America, but Reality TV and Animation writers can use new media as an end around barriers.
*In three years time the WGA can go on strike again if AMPTP members abuse the 17-24 day promotional window or if members just don’t like it. The contract ends April 30, 2011, yet a strike, starting right before or right after upfronts, could affect the start of the 2011-12 TV season since production for the new TV season usually starts in June.
*There is a no lockout pledge that can be ordered by the AMPTP.
If I was a member of the WGA, I would support this deal bigtime. Granted it isn’t perfect, but this contract is a start and you should be proud of your leadership for doing everything to negotiate a settlement and congratulate Patrick Verrone on acheiving most of his goals he set out to accomplish during his WGA Presidency.
If any writer doesn’t like their deal enough and believes that this deal is horrible, by all means vote it down. However, I caution you that this deal is in the best interests of the guild, is 10 times better than the DGA deal, and WILL BE RATIFIED by the membership. It might not be 97% Yea votes but it will be around 60-70%.
Finally, if you think the leadership did a bad job (17-24 day promotional window), by all means run for Patrick or Michael’s job when election time comes around.
As for SAG, if you go on strike to get some protections into that window or get it reduced, by all means do it.
Some very good points here. The guild took 20 years to strike again and what has improved? Another crappy deal mirroring the home video deal. The guild will not be striking in 3 years because they will not have the same leverage as they do at this very moment. Nor will they have the outpouring of public support. If they strike in three years, trust me, the public will TURN ON the guild. So the guild must stand up right now to the AMPTP and negotiate a FAIR deal. DVD resids especially must be increased. What is the point of ramming down a 17day window against SAG? We need to give SAG more leverage, not less. The Oscars is a de facto deadline set by the AMPTP. It is the AMPTP’s greed and bad faith tactics that have created this situation. The WGA needs to reject the deal and fight for a better one. The public will turn on the AMPTP after the initial anti-WGA backlash if we get our message out. The AMPTP still has room to negotiate. They’ve only led us to believe they’re at their final offer. Do not trust them. At the end of the day, fairness must win. No 17 day promotional internet window and increase in DVDs or NO DEAL.
Look, us writers are all tired and nervous and frustrated.
I’m not going to go through the tentative deal point by point; hopefully, that’s what tonight’s meeting is about.
I refuse to accept anything but a favorable deal – not merely an adequate one – and will humbly ask that all of you stop attacking those skeptics who are rational enough to comprehend that the AMPTP is (perhaps?) playing us like a fiddle … again.
We might not be holding all the cards like we believe. Let’s be sure and resolved and tough and, most importantly, honest with ourselves. No rolling over because we negotiated well and eked out a few points.
We have valid demands. Let’s not let the strike be an historical footnote in which people scoff at the end result or future generations of writers shake their heads in disgust. Stand for something and be proud.
What Stanley said… this is not the end all be all, people. Think about it. This strike was not just about this one contract, if you think it was, then, well, I can’t help you. The current tv model is not going to dramatically change in the next few years, but when it does, we will be ready. When dvds fade, we’ll be ready to fight for the new money. As artists we tend to react emotionally to business decisions, I know I do, but try and think LONG TERM, not one contract. This was a statement STRIKE. It showed them what we are capable of so when the new money really shows itself… we will be ready. This contract is a beginning, not an end. The resolve everyone has shown has to carry through beyond now. It has to continue on through the life of this and every contract. This is an ongoing battle with no end. Know that and you win.
I haven’t trusted the WGA leadership since they dropped the DVD proposal in exchange for nothing. Anyone who continued to trust them was an idiot.
The same people (like those who run the United Hollywood website) that told you to “trust the leadership” and do nothing were working the phones themselves.
It’s been one damn lie after another – from WGA leadership. Every rumor about the negotiations has been true – at the time the rumor was first reported. There are no surprises in the deal proposal. It is EXACTLY what everyone has reported it would be.
Anyone morons that favored pointless “interim agreements” are probably going to be surprised that they don’t just revert to the AMPTP deal. They’re also retroactive to the date of the “interim agreement.” They were pointless at the time and worthless afterwards. They literally never existed.
“Interim agreements” accomplished nothing in this strike. They didn’t lead to favorable negotiations. AMPTP entered “informal” negotiations only after the NegCom agreed to withdraw the reality and animation proposals. Yes, another AMPTP ultimatum succeeded.
The proposed deal is not the DGA deal. It’s the DGA deal with a pickle on the side – and the membership will approve it, because a majority already regrets being on strike due to poor planning (e.g., no prioritization of the proposals), poor execution (e.g., giving up proposals in exchange for nothing), and a poor result (i.e., the deal that will be approved).
Verrone et al, I have an idea where you can shove that pickle.
If “internet streaming becomes the new way to watch tv” as you guys seem convinced of, there’s NO WAY ON EARTH you’re getting a residuals percentage from day one of a streaming. That would basically amount to you sharing in the profits of first run programs, which no writer gets. You get residuals off re-runs.
A PREDICTION: the joke of a “tentative agreement” offered by the companies will be resoundingly rejected, the Oscars will be cancelled and so will pilot season. But what lessons does the WGA learn from this? And what does the WGA do now? A few thoughts:
1) The company’s divide-and-conquer strategy worked – at least for the moment. I don’t know how the companies pulled it off but somehow they did indeed “get to WGA leadership.” That tentative agreement is a disgrace and we all know it.
2) That said, the end goal is unchanged: a fair deal for writers. How will members get that? For starters, by having leaders who support the beliefs of the membership. It may – or may not – be time to for the WGA to get new leaders. Going forward, current WGA leaders MUST SUPPORT WHAT THE MEMBERSHIP WANTS. If current leaders can’t or won’t do that then new leaders must be found — and fast.
3) Moving forward, as a general mindset, THE WGA MUST BE MUCH, MUCH, MUCH TOUGHER IN THE NEGOTIATIONS. Specifically -
4) NO PROMOTIONAL WINDOW AT ALL. THAT IS TAKEN OFF THE TABLE. Not 17 days, not 5 days, not 24 hours. ZERO. That is non-negotiable. Any further tentative deals offered from the companies will be rejected out of hand if there’s any promotional window of any kind.
5) FORGET FLAT FEES, FORGET PERCENTAGES WITH CAPS. Also, off the table. Non negotiable. Any deal offered with flat fees, caps or any other nonesense is not even considered.
6) A note on WGA by-laws: WGA membership should never, ever be put in this ridiculous time-pressured situation again. From now on, members should always be given up to 3 weeks – READ: THREE WEEKS- to digest and decide their opinions on what’s being offered to them.
7) Another note on WGA by-laws: WGA leadership cannot ever again be allowed to even consider stopping a strike – or doing anything else for that matter- without membership authorization – ever, under any circumstances. (That tactic won’t work this time but the mere fact that it’s being attempted is quite terrifying.)
A final word of advice: stop complaining. Toughen up. This is business. Don’t whine. Get what you want.
to those who say, “you trusted your leaders at the start, why don’t you trust them now?”
things change, you must always think for yourself and not blindly trust that “mommy” and “daddy” will take care of it
beware those who try to intimidate using meaningless phrases like “grow up” or “stop whining” when you don’t agree with their agenda – those are red flag phrases that the person is a moron with an agenda
you writers have come so far, you’ve done so well in this strike – make it worth something
you do have the power to get a great deal [not just a gutless "well it's not perfect,it's the best it's gonna get" garbage deal]
you also have the power of SAG behind you – this is an opportune moment that should be seized and maximized now.
I don’t think this is a good deal at all and definitely not the deal we were striking for; it’s not the deal that would make all this time walking in circles worthwhile. What’s the point of signing a deal that can only be stomached by rationalizing that we’ll just strike again in three years and fix it then? What sense does that make? Who the fuck wants to strike again in three years?
You have to ask yourself, why would the AMPTP want the membership to have less than 10 hours to study this deal before a meeting that is for all intents and purposes, the vote to ratify it? Who does that kind of pressure benefit? And if it’s such a fantastic breakthrough landmark deal, why try to slip it through in the dark of night?
Anyone who thinks that once the restraining order is lifted that it will ever be reinstated is hopelessly out of touch with reality. Once “pencils are up” again, the deal is as good as done, so this “temperature taking” TODAY IS IN EFFECT THE RATIFICATION, and it is being held under DURESS. How is that good faith negotiating?
If the WGA does not stand up to these strong-arm tactics now, when will we? If we don’t, who will? The DGA? SAG? Maybe SAG but they’ve got a lot internal problems right now. We’re being assaulted with deadlines, demands, ultimatums and threats of retribution. WE’RE BEING PLAYED WITH FEAR.
What we haven’t yet seen is a good deal. We’ve seen anything but. We’ve seen a pathetic DGA deal dusted off (slightly) and jammed down our throat WITHOUT EVEN A SINGLE DAY TO STUDY AND DEBATE. (again, who does that benefit and why, if it’s such a good deal, squash debate?). We’re being asked to approve a deal that will not only affect us for three years, but will set a precedent essentially in stone that will be impossible to dislodge now or ever (home video formula?).
Why is this “the best deal we’re going to get”? Because Chernin says so? What else is he going to say?
These ultimatums, stalling, deadlines and threats are good tactics by lawyers, but that’s all they are. They are the methods of parties that know this is a bad deal and want to keep it shrouded for as long as possible. FEAR IS BEING USED AS A WEAPON IN THESE NEGOTIATIONS.
Why is the AMPTP allowed to issue ultimatums and make offers that can be withdrawn if certain conditions aren’t met? Why is there a double standard? We should have put DVDs back on the table as soon as the AMPTP went back on their end of that deal.
In reality we hold a pretty good hand; they need us (as we need them). Staying out is affecting them. They fear a SAG strike. They fear losing the TV season. They fear losing the Oscars and the 2009 film slate.
But they have concluded that they can bully the WGA into a bad deal. Their calculations included storming out of early meetings and shutting out the WGA until after the DGA sweetheart deal was inked. They then calculated that they would hold out until February, with nothing to lose until then, and the possible gain of the WGA splintering. That didn’t happen. Counter’s swan-song attempt to put his stamp on the unions’ throats with a complete evisceration of all residuals failed, so here we are, February and finally lo and behold the studios agree to talk again. Now we’re being expected to adhere to THEIR deadlines, deadlines THEY SET and SAT ON until the last minute to ratchet up the pressure. I hope and pray that the decision to suspend the strike is not inevitable and that that this meeting today will actually determine the leadership’s course of action. And I hope that everyone can see that everything the AMPTP/Chernin/Iger etc have done since day one is to try to weaken and/or break the guild and eke out every last half-penny for their multinational conglomerates.
This is not a good deal.
A commenter at United Hollywood said it better than we could:
looklongandhard said…
As someone who negotiates for a living (outside of the entertainment industry)and has been following the strike since it’s onset, I just have to say that if you decide to ratify this contract not only are you screwed now, you’re screwed in three years.
After quickly skimming through, some of the points that jumped out at me were the 17/24 day provision (you’ll make nothing with this window), the “Network exclusivity”, “distributors gross” (because no one cooks their books), and of course the contract date of expiration (award shows, pilots and upfronts will all be moot points).
Don’t sell yourselves short and settle for far less than you deserve. I understand that this is rough for many people in the entertainment industry but if you ratify this contract, when the dust settles and you realize where you stand, you’ll be worse off then when you started.
I can’t believe some of you folks. Giving up DVD residual increases in favour of internet streaming speculation during the next 3 years just seems rediculous.
It’s like a labour strike giving up an hourly wage increase in exchange for a half day paid holiday, at management’s discretion, a year. Only labourers would probably lynch the guy that tried to sell that to them.
Since when did the writers give up on trying to increase what is the studios biggest form of income after original runs, DVD sales? It’s no wonder the AMPTP powers that be are out in full force saying what a wonderful deal this is. Frankly for them it is a great deal.
I’m sure during the next 3 years if this passes, the writers will be complaining, but there will be few people listening. You made your bed…
how can *The No Strike Pledge (regarding other Guilds’/unions’ strikes) be a con? IATSE has a no strike clause in their contract and im sure the other SAG and the DGA also have it.
I think we should tell the AMPTP that we need a week to study the deal. There’s no fucking reason to be rushed into a decision of this magnitude. It’s entirely reasonable to insist on time to study and debate. There’s no way the AMPTP could spin that against the WGA. Well, maybe there is, and I’m sure they’ll find a way, but ANY reasonable, sane person would recognize that a demand for more time is a reasonable, responsible, serious and good faith requirement to ratification of a fucking union contract. Seriously, this is INSANE. THIS SHOULD BE AN OPTION ON THE TABLE WHEN THE LEADERSHIP PRESENTS THIS OFFER.
Gotta give it up to the moguls on this one. On the surface, this deal looks great. Too bad it’s actually a steaming pile which will effectively eradicate any sort of residuals for writers. The 17 day window HAS to be a deal breaker. There will be no money to be had after 17 days and the moguls know it. That’s why they’ve “conceded” on other issues, i.e. distributor’s gross and a percentage. They’re just going to make it really easy to get a “season pass” on shows which will download immediately after they air on TV. That’s where the money will be. Then, if those downloads don’t expire after the 17 day window (which isn’t in the deal right now), anybody who wants the episode is already going to have it. Goodbye residuals. I want the strike to be done as much as anybody, but this isn’t the deal we’ve been out of work for 3 months to get and it isn’t one we should settle for. Seriously. It’s a screw-job.
Regarding the 17-day window that many posters are so lathered up about, wake up! Television Writers get paid a weekly salary whether they write a script or not. They get paid additionally when their script first airs. Residuals are supposed to help you in the “lean years” between gigs. Those of you who threaten to vote down this deal because of what residuals you will or won’t make during those 17 days are looking selfish and greedy.
You’re kidding yourselves if you think BTL will continue to support the WGA cause if the membership votes down what your chosen leaders have negotiated and recommended. We’ll stop honking our horns, resume buying dvds and downloading. We’ll be working with the fi-core or non-WGA writers. You might want to take a look at the reader submissions on “Why We Write” and consider how special and unique your words really are.
Take the deal! You fought hard for it, you got a deal that your union leaders agree with…take it for X*&#*&*# sake!
This town needs to get back to work! Below the line members are losing their houses, health insurance and livelyhoods!
For all the people here who have been in the biz for a while, remember the 90’s! Canada took so much production from us here and we finally have gotten much of it back. If you do not take this deal, Canada will start getting all the deals again. It’s already starting, read the new deals in the trades lately….
Don’t let Hollywood become a ghost town. What you decide tonight is monumentally important. Not just for the WGA, but everyone in this town who works on productions 15 hours a day.
Look beyond your own needs now and look at the bigger picture….please. Be proud that you stood up, you got a fair deal and let’s all be back on sets again!
I was at the Captain’s meeting. Verrone, Bowman, Young AND the deal received applause. It is a good deal. The only way we could get a good deal is to ensure that the oscars and pilot season were saved. That was our leverage, and we used it effectively.
While it is understandable that some people are mad the strike could possibly be called off before an official vote, there is a reason for this — we’re right up against the oscar deadline. If we dick around for an official vote and the oscars are blown up, we lose everything.
You think ABC’s gonna lose 100 million dollars, and then offer us a better deal? Hell no! It would be irresponible to their shareholders. They would have to continure the strike for months just to look responsible.
I’ve been behind the leadership since day one, and still am. I’m voting yes for the deal.
This is a ROLLBACK deal, plain and simple. The 17-day window is nothing less than a GIVEBACK that will cost my family income we have come to rely on. Studios will now profit from my writing while cutting me out.
That’s more than enough to sour me on the deal, but it’s hardly the only lump of coal. There’s no bump in the outrageously confiscatory DVD rate; no favored nation w/SAG; an expiration date moved to May, undercutting our future leverage; ETC. ETC. Page after page.
I am not a conspiracy theorist; I don’t believe our leaders tried to sell us out. Their service has been selfless and exemplary. They have marched us down the field these many weeks….but now they are fumbling on the two-yard line. Whether out of fatigue or pressure, they are backing a disastrously flawed deal, and worse, caving in to AMPTP pressure about the timing and logistics of the settlement process, thus robbing the membership of both the right to study the deal language in an orderly way and the right to cast a secret and binding ballot.
After all that members have sacrificed in this strike, after the endless hours on the picket line, our leadership now wants us to accept rollbacks in our compensation. And rollbacks in our guild’s democratic structure.
I say NO.
There is no such thing as “this deal is as good as it gets”
As someone once stated, there are no divorces
Negotiations will continue
That’s just propaganda disseminated by amptp, and probably by a small group of high level writers with an “I got mine” attitude
WGA is astonishing. The AMPTP illegally abandons neg.s for months, then realizes it seriously miscalculated and screwed itself, and returns to neg.s.
But amptp is smart enough to return on the offensive, even though they are in the weak position. And WGA is rolling over. Stop re-acting. Own your power and take control of this window of opportunity to achieve far better than a middling deal.
“Dennis” above is absolutely correct –
The guild took 20 years to strike again and what has improved? Another crappy deal mirroring the home video deal. The guild will not be striking in 3 years because they will not have the same leverage as they do at this very moment. Nor will they have the outpouring of public support. If they strike in three years, trust me, the public will TURN ON the guild. So the guild must stand up right now to the AMPTP and negotiate a FAIR deal. DVD resids especially must be increased. What is the point of ramming down a 17day window against SAG? We need to give SAG more leverage, not less. The Oscars is a de facto deadline set by the AMPTP. It is the AMPTP’s greed and bad faith tactics that have created this situation. The WGA needs to reject the deal and fight for a better one. The public will turn on the AMPTP after the initial anti-WGA backlash if we get our message out.
Would have liked a much shorter promotional window but all of this in whole is better than the zero dollars originally offered for internet. It’s a little humiliating, but I can live with it. I think the leadership worked their asses off and every penny gained involved sheer hell. I appreciate and support the leaders–they fought hard for a favorable deal, and imperfect as it is, I do think it leans in a favorable direction. If anyone knows that they could have gone up against the AMPTP and done a much better job putting a much better deal together, then PLEASE run for office! I think jdub in his/her comment a ways back said it best for me, “Small steps. Incremental progress. Concrete, real-world progress. Less than we deserve. More than they wanted to give.”
Tonight I’ll get clarity on key points. I think the guild did as good a job as could be done…
Except on DVDs.
What on EARTH happened? No movement. Not a penny? The flashy discs will be around for a LONG TIME. Blu-Ray will jump-start the billion-dollar market into into the stars in the coming year. And where will feature writers be?
Exactly where we’ve been…at 4 f’n cents.
I’m hugely disappointed that the guild had to bargain away perhaps the largest viable money-maker for feature writers. It feels like a slap in the face after 3 months of doing what was asked of me.
What a shame. I almost liked this deal.
If the Academy Awards wasn’t two weeks away we would not be talking about a possible tentative agreement.
Shady WGA, Shady Producers…
It seems if the WGA holds off for another week or ten days, using the Pilot season leverage and Oscars, to leverage a “guaranteed ratification” for the AMPTP if they reduce the promotional window to seven days, map the DGA gains for Cable onto the WGA deal, and make the same 2 minutes for internet content for drama and comedy the same basic minimum, those would be “extras” that would feel like something I would be happy for, as the “hard-liner” wifey who is talking to her hubby who has the vote. This then would be the deal that I think was “the best the WGA could get.”
Can tonight’s meeting talk about the final offer that the membership is willing to ratify with the AMPTP? This deal isn’t it, obviously, with a significant portion of the membership. Where can this deal come up to help satisfy those members whereupon SAG can make things even better for the things SAG can argue for? It seems this is a lukewarm deal. It’s a good start. It’s the start that should have happened after the Holidays.
I know that 40K cap for streamed programming is a starter, but it seems like there is going to have to be further negotiations to insure percentages when the “throw in” model changes to charged time slots, which WILL happen, maybe not next year but certainly by the end of this 3 year contract. Maybe this is the stuff SAG will have to cover, taking that cap off, and making sure there are guarantees to the percentages when internet follows the same model for advertising revenue as network TV.
And yes, definitely make sure that favored nations clause is in the deal if WGA is going to have SAG do the heavy lifting for closing that 17 promo window and sticking DVD back on the table…and getting the gains on Cable from the DGA deal.
There is a huge difference between the strike in 88 and this one: SAG.
There was no the-entire-industry-is-about-to-shut-down scenario back in 88. That’s why they didn’t get a better deal.
You can bet that as each day goes by the companies will be more willing to make concessions. They will want to prevent a complete shutdown in production. They know they can’t risk writers and actors striking at the same time.
They will suddenly be willing to pay, so that they can railroad SAG into taking our deal.
I don’t think we’ll have to wait until June to get there either.
For the first time the AMPTP is hurting. And our response to having leverage is to drop our pants and grab our ankles…
I am out of state and can’t make it to the meeting, so I will just say this:
I will go FiCore if this strike is called off without a reasonable amount of time to study the terms and then have my say. The way the membership is being treated is despicable.
I am just a feature writer, but I will never strike again only to be stabbed in the back by my own.
Ed Wood: throwing away DVDs like that is irresponsible. DVDs have and will continue to be the main source of our residual checks. DVDs will not fade away like you say just as the video tape has not faded away. It’s been over twenty years and it’s still kicking! If the membership decides to call off the strike and accept the deal, this deal will be remembered just as the home vid deal twenty years from now — totally rotten. Future strikes will be impotent when remembering how much was lost and how little was gained this very moment.
I know everyone’s tired and wants to get back to work but so far the AMPTP has shown more backbone than us. We’ve been the ones who’ve budged on every issue. They set the standard for what was fair. Well, we can do something about it by staying out on strike until better terms for DVDS and New media is gotten. The WGA membership can strategically play the bad guys by rebelling against the leadership in order to force a fair and just deal with the AMPTP. But now is the time to make the stand. I implore you all to vote no.
So tired of reading the whining crybabies on here. Your strike is over. The deal will be approved by a large majority. Please channel your energy in to the Obama for President campaign. Do something more productive with your time now. If you aren’t happy with the specific deal points too bad. You had your chance you supported your leaders when they called for this strike and now they are telling you it’s time to end it and you no longer support them. Give us all a break. I will be so happy when this is over and Nikki shuts down the Comments once and for all.
“Take this now or strike until June” is bullshit scare tactics. Send this crap offer back to the AMPTP and they will relax some of their terms pretty quickly.
This may have been the best deal that the Negs could get LAST week, but I guarantee that it won’t be the best deal that they could get in ONE, TWO or even THREE weeks time.
The AMPTP did not expect an angry membership. They expected us to be grateful for a few crumbs of improvement to the DGA deal. Well, I do not want this deal and no amount of sunshine and rainbows at a meeting is going to make me think it’s good.
Send it back to the AMPTP, they will either sweeten it a little now or sweeten it a whole lot in order to save their multimillion dollars next month.
I was at the L.A. strike captains meeting yesterday. It definitely was not divided 50-50; the majority of captains said they weren’t crazy about the deal but they would support it. The truth is, the deal is not very good. However, it’s way better than where we started out and way better than where we would have been without a strike. The question then becomes, “What would the benefit be of remaining on strike and denying an Oscar waiver?” Our leadership –those who have been negotiating for us — don’t believe there would be much benefit at all in terms of bettering our deal. In other words, cut to 4 months from now, the terms of the deal won’t improve.
But, SAG does have to renegotiate their deal at the end of June. They might or might not strike over it. Even if they don’t, they will probably get some improvements over the WGA deal. So, look at it like this: The DGA got the ball to the 30 yard line (actually the WGA strike placed it there for them). Then, the WGA moved it to the 40. Hopefully SAG will be able to move it to the 50 yard line without a strike. Now, that’s not a touchdown but it’s a helluva lot better than being on your own 1 yard line — which is where Nick Counter vowed to leave us.
We all owe a debt of gratitude to the DGA for their professional negotiations with the AMPTP. Without the DGA, Veronne et al. would not have been able to make this face-saving agreement. I hope the WGA and SAG membership can learn the lessons of this strike — you will invariably lose more than you gain by striking. If SAG has not settled by June, lets hope they can try negotiating while working on an expired contract rather than walking out on the job. My family and many others can’t afford to go through the stress the WGA has put us through so they can net an extra $200 a month. Now let’s go back to work!
This deal is a be-all, end-all. It sets the terms the home video deal did in 88. 20 years later we’re still stuck with it.
All that caving now proves to Big Media is that our guild is able to be manipulated.
I’m sure they will welcome another 3 month strike in 3 and a half years. That way they can clean house of all the dead wood deals again, have an excuse for laying people off and boost their fourth.
The only way we will have any leverage in the future is if we strike until we get fair terms this time.
Otherwise everyone will know our threats and our strikes don’t really hurt them. They will know that we will always cave before they are really hurting.
this is a template for the future…nothing more. Take it and improve upon it in three years. As a structure it works just fine. You will gain nothing by prolonging this strike but end up with even less in the long run. Ive worked in TV and features for 15 years. Don’t be naive and foolish. You’re already looking at 12-18 months of chaos and job loss after we return. Vote yes, swallow your foolish pride and accept the fact that this deal is a stepping stone.
Ive been proud to be a writer for a long time. I always will be. Think people…think ahead….think of others. Please.
It’s obvious that some people here (those that really are WGA members and not just those that play them on the internet) have their heads on their shoulders and want to get back to work. Then there are others who enjoy picketing because that way they can blame their lack of sales on the strike rather than their lack of talent.
I don’t buy this WGA victimized attitude. The WGA has the leverage right now to get what they want. Give them an Oscar waiver and that leverage is seriously diminished. The Oscars can wait a week or two. Let them sweat. Let’s see if they can do better to iron out all these points of contention that many writers have big problems with.
Another week won’t hurt the writers. That damage is already done. But it will serious injure the AMPTP. Hit them where it hurts, in their wallets. It’s now or never. Yes, the leverage will soon be lost. That’s the very reason why it should be used now. It the reason why the WGA should fall victim to this bullshit that time has run out. It’s run out for the AMPTP, not the WGA.
You’ve got them by the balls and you’re debating on whether to squeeze or not.
It’s pretty obvious judging by the posts here that the vast majority of the writers unhappy with the deal are television writers. If they don’t like the deal… they should find another line of work. Maybe if they created something worthwhile… the AMPTP would considering paying them for it.
Kick this proposal to the curb. Keep striking. Send both sides back to the bargaining table. Maintain the resolve within the WGA to get a fair deal out of this. Know that SAG’s de facto strike is only a few weeks away.
Close to two dozen production companies obviously thought the WGA’s terms were reasonable. The rest of the AMPTP can be brought around, with time, resolve, and solidarity with SAG.
The survival of the industry is not at stake. If it were, the AMPTP would have rolled over long ago. They’re thinking strategically – two, three decades down the road. They know all of their companies are not in the television or movie business, they’re in the CONTENT business. And ALL of that content is going to be delivered through the Internet, except for a small percentage via cellular or digital satphone technology.
The switchover is happening NOW.
In less than a decade, television and cable networks will be irrelevant, as content delivery is switched to the Internet. IPTV (Internet Protocol for Television) means no computer or router between the consumer’s Internet cable and their big-screen. The good news about this for creative types is that the chokepoint for market entry with longer-form standalone or serialized content most people refer to as their cable box becomes irrelevant. Any producer with enough $$$ to do quality can reach the television set without having to deal with a TV or cable network.
Go to Best Buy and ask a blueshirt to show you which big screen TVs have Ethernet cables built in. Go back and listen to the United Hollywood podcasts with the reports from CES. Sony is already marketing an IPTV converter for $300. Netflix is partnering with LG to deliver its movie rentals through the Internet to a set-top box. Even the porn industry is getting into the act with something called “Wildfyre”. And BTW the Wildfyre box doesn’t care what kind of content is being delivered through it. They could cut a deal with Lionsgate or HBO tomorrow. And of course there’s the Apple TV standalone box and Microsoft’s Media Center computer software, as well as quite a few higher-end systems that will come down in price over the next two years.
For the creative types (writers, actors, directors) to maintain parity with the deals they’ve had since the advent of television, we have to have the same percentages and such in “New Media” as currently exist in the television contracts. Anything less, and three years from now everyone will KNOW it was a serious rollback.
The deal the AMPTP wants is the deal that gives them the most control and profit from New Media. Yes, the WGA’s pulling DVD off the table costs its writers over the next three years, but it’s essentially irrelevant over the next three decades. The AMPTP is in the future – their belligerence notwithstanding – and they’re doing their damnedest to sew up ownership of it RIGHT FRAKKING NOW.
I can’t tell anyone how to vote, but I can say categorically the future relevance of the WGA is at stake today, and SAG in just a few short months.
Shocking there is no improvement on DVDs.
Absolutely shocking.
Perhaps, because the wgae members had NO TIME to study the deal, they have no idea what to say in the meeting.
This will destroy the guild. when writers realize that they were led into a strike and then duped into accepting a residuals destroying deal on a few sky is falling threats that it was take it or leave it there will be mutiny.
it’s never really take it or leave it. just like it’s never really the only day that 24 hour fitness is having their best sale ever — sign up now! today only!
from waht i’ve read the guild should run from this take it or leave it deal
I spoke with a strike captain yesterday after the meeting. He is one of the militant ones. He liked the deal, and could see nothing gained by waiting for formal ratification of the contract before stopping the strike. I really think that the WGA’s leverage with the looming Oscars has been played to the fullest. I hope that tonight’s WGAw meeting goes well, everyone gets to vocalize their points of view, and they decide to back their leadership that has gotten them this far. I read the contract and was amazed a how much was actually gained. Hope everyone takes the long view. Good luck with the meeting.
The strike is over. The negotiating committee had already made up its mind and so had the majority of members. That’s it. Like it or not, the WGA is too weak to fight for principles but it can fight over 1.25% or 1.35%, settle on 1.31% and call that a victory.
If the writers do not take this deal, I think any sympathy that remained for them from the rest of the industry will quickly fade away.
People are out of work here. Don’t be so selfish.
This deal is the end of meaningful residuals – which was the AMPTP’s plan from the start. The streaming CAP at $1600 makes the “win” of distributor’s gross completely meaningless. The studios could earn hundreds of thousands from your episode and you get $1600 for one entire year, instead of $21,000 for one showing. You can’t really even call that a rollback, it’s really just a complete elimination of a residual payment. The huge 17/26 day free window cuts us out of the “when they get paid, we get paid” concept as well. That is when most of the money will come, though again, it won’t matter if the free window is eliminated because you’re still only gonna get $1600 a year no matter what because of the CAP. Why is it, if the company does well, we cannot? With a CAP, we can only share in their failure. There are other major problems with this offer but I think the end of residuals is more than enough to focus on right now.
If the companies succeed in eliminating something so major, so historic, so necessary to our survival there will be no going back and “fixing” it in 3 years. We have never been able to do that. We’ve never been able to fix the lousy, disastrous DVD/Home Video formulas. We are setting ourselves up for the exact same problem again. Because once they’ve beaten you on a major point, it is virtually impossible to get them to believe that you will have any backbone for the same fight the next time.
Possibly most important, we will be showing the studios that this guild is so weak, we will take any offer they dangle in front of us after only 3 months on strike. They will know it, we will know it and they will take what they want from us again and again because we are too weak to stay out long enough to get what is fair.
I know these last 3 months have been tough and everyone’s sacrifice and hard work are greatly appreciated but, as history has shown, it takes longer than 3 months to get a fair deal. In 1960, it took almost 6 months to get the residuals that we may be about to throw away. The studios are hurting now. We are having a major impact on them in TV and film that grows stronger every day. They cannot wait to get us back to work. We are in a good posistion to win this.
SAG will not accept this deal. They depend on residuals more than we do, so the strife in this town will continue – unless we get it right. And we can. Stay strong.
Shill wrote, “If the writers do not take this deal, I think any sympathy that remained for them from the rest of the industry will quickly fade away.People are out of work here. Don’t be so selfish.”
IGNORE THESE KINDS OF COMMENTS
ITS THE STUDIOS TRYING TO WHIP UP A WAR AGAINST THE WRITERS.
YOU HAVE BTL SUPPORT. TAKE YOUR TIME AND MAKE THE BEST DEAL. WE SUPPORT YOU. WE’VE BEEN IN YOUR SHOES AND WILL BE AGAIN.
I’m a BTL worker who has been in support of this strike from the get-go. I have blogged and e-mailed friends and family explain what was going on. I have debated with other BTLers over the logic of this strike. I do believe the writers provide the blueprint from which the skyscraper’s erected, and should be rewarded duly. I didn’t think the writers were whiny rich kids.
I was aggravated at the AMPTP for walking away twice, and frustrated that negotiating wasn’t taking place.
And now both sides have negotiated. And some writers really are whining.
Negotiating means give-and-take.
I’ll say this about this deal:
How much were you getting for EST before? And for what length of time? There was an infinite free promotional window. Something is better than nothing.
And of course you’d like more time. As a former Night PA, I can’t tell you the number of times the network run-through at 4pm that went well then led to my getting handed a script at 4am because hours were spent reworking a button. Which meant stagecraft and actors had 3 pre-dawn hours (if they got the script via e-mail) to adapt to said changes by the 7am call. But take all the time you need, and don’t worry how you’re affecting everyone else.
If you strike until June, which it seems will be the outcome if the deal gets rejected, know that you’ll be doing so with increasingly less support.
Reports from the NYC meetings are that the deal was received very positively and there was much applause and optimism. Prepare for the strike to be called off tomorrow after the board meets.
Hey, Feature Film Writer –
What have you written that is worthwhile?? I have seen exactly one watchable feature film in the last five years.
I’m a t.v. writer who wants to get back to work, too. But that doesn’t change the fact that you’re a fucking douchebag. God, I hope I meet you at the Shrine tonight. Show your face, you fucking prick.
Brian Buckner
“Would have liked a much shorter promotional window but all of this in whole is better than the zero dollars originally offered for internet.”
I would just like to point out that this is a flawed type of thinking that I have heard again and again and is exactly why the AMPTP claimed the Internet was worth nothing in the first place.
Comparing what is offered now to the nothing that was offered before is a deadly trap. Zero dollars was never a starting point, but the AMPTP made it one. The belief that what you will now be getting has increased from nothing to something is flawed.
If I told you I was going to pay you zero dollars for your house (currently appraised at $500,000) and then came back and offered $1600, would that sound like a good deal to you? You should be comparing what they are offering to what it’s actually worth, not the zero dollars they offered before.
They wanted to start negotiations at zero dollars so you would think you were getting something valuable by virtue of the fact that it wasn’t nothing. What they are offering for Internet streaming is still as much of a joke as the nothing they offered in the first place.
More reports of optimism from the NYC meetings:
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117980597.html?categoryid=2821&cs=1&nid=4056
Yes I know its variety but they have direct quotes from people, this is not just the opinion of the author.
The greatest trick the devil ever played was making them think this was the best offer that was coming before June.
Remember when I wrote above that one of the deal proponents’ talking points was this?
“2. The most leverage the the guild has is NOW. If the strike continues, the deal can only get WORSE, because AMPTP will begin to drawback on the terms. NOW will be the only time that you can get this “good” deal.”
Read what Nikki reports:
“The leadership made it clear that the deal is a limited time offer. That if we don’t go back to work on this immediately we lose the deal and we’re back to the beginning again. And the argument was that the AMPTP has said that this deal is contingent on going back to work immediately. That it’s kind of a ‘take or leave it offer’ and if we don’t take this then we could be out forever.”
I’m still waiting for ONE rumor told to me during this strike to be untrue. The talking points sheet that I saw appeared to be the real thing.
Hmmm… I wonder if the letters I saw ending the strike will be the same too. The decision to end the strike was described as “agonizing” in one letter that was going to be used if deal opinion was near 50-50. The decision was described as “carefully considered” if it was anywhere short of overwhelmingly in favor of the deal.
These meetings are just show. Some members already have talking point sheets that they will be using to speak in favor of the deal and to rebut those that disagree. It will be WGA leadership astro-turfing at its best. The NegCom thinks it has enough people seeded among the masses to provide at least 50-50 opinion at the meeting, but it also believes that it doesn’t have to rely on that because most members are ready to end the strike.
Reluctantly, I must agree that a majority of the membership is ready to go back to work and will be accepting the DGA deal and the pickle that AMPTP has so graciously added to it.
Although the WGA constitution definitely should be amended to require a member vote to end strikes, the result in this case would be the same. The majority wants the strike to be over even though many are unhappy about the deal.
All I can say is remember who failed you. Remember who wanted you to give them this strike.
You can write nasty things about how the WGA leadership attempting this deal is somehow AMPTP’s fault and how “we’re all in this together” or similar B.S., but the facts are Verrone et al failed, the “America’s Next Top Model” strike was a clear foreshadowing of the current strike’s failure (it was basically “strike practice”), and morons overwhelmingly voted for a strike anyway.
Thanks for nothing, morons.
David Young didn’t want this deal without a MFN clause and now it was denied last night.
Without it, the WGA had better get fired up. You can bet the DGA has one that gives them whatever deal the writer’s guild gets…
I am desperately urging WGA Members to reject this deal NOW. Do it with a resounding thud!
Send a message to AMPTP you will stand united with SAG and hold out for a better deal.
Believe me anyone who thinks this is the best we can do is deluded. No Mogul wants to face a complete shutdown of Production. We have the leverage now and are throwing it away. This is weak, it’s paltry, it’s pathetic. What happened to the WGA Negs in the last two weeks? Feeling pressure from TV Writers?
Sorry, this is NO excuse to bend over and take it from these bullies. They are laughing in our collective faces now at how weak our resolve is when in just a few more weeks they know they’ll have to concede more.
WGA Negs, we are holding the cards. Not them. Get that through your heads please.
Have some conviction for chrissakes, stand for something, stand for our future now.
Features Writers are furious DVD increases have not been addressed after all these years. It was thrown out… this is unconscionable. This just as DVD sales will soon spike with the favored blu ray formats because many will now upgrade their DVD libraries.
And TV Writers, you are about to commit residual suicide for decades if you approve this. This makes absolutely no sense when we now have SAG with us.
Flush this insulting pile of crap down the guzzler now. It stinks to high heaven, It’s financial cancer.
It’s is a virtual rollback of future residuals and will trigger a guaranteed SAG Strike in a few months so what’s the point?
Vote this down and tell them “Hey dickheads, the game is over here now” with SAG and WGA, not DGA.
And if SAG strikes we have no protection for favored nations provisions. You read Nikki’s update…
“Right now, the only favored nations clause we have with SAG is in New Media. Members may think we’re in a good position to benefit from a better SAG deal, to let SAG take the ball from our deal and run with it. But members need to know that if SAG turns around and negotiates a better DVD deal, or a better pension deal, or better rates anyplace else other than New Media, we will not benefit. We only have favored nations with SAG where it concerns New Media and even that isn’t even written down. It’s just a verbal agreement. They [the AMPTP] tried to screw us on this at the last minute.”
Vote it down. We have the upper hand now.
“Like it or not, the WGA is too weak to fight on principles…”
Why should we fight on principles? If I remember correctly, the Iraq war was a war we waged on principles, and that hasn’t worked out too well.
I never signed up to strike on principles? I was in a fight over money the whole time. I was asked to believe in our leadership. And there was a time there where I thought I had been tricked into being part of some weird religious cult that held Patrick Verrone up as our Lord and savior. Now that he’s realized there’s nothing left to be gained, he’s correctly come to the decision that it’s time to cut our losses.
For those of you still looking to stay out on principle, it is not for you to decide to take me and family down with you.
People, ask yourselves this: twenty years from now when this deal is thought of as exactly the same deal as the homevideo deal twenty years before, will you be able to live with that?
if yes, then accept it. if you believe your work and your own worth is more than what theyve offered, then push back for a better deal. don’t be afraid of the AMPTP rhetoric.
mheister wrote: “Close to two dozen production companies obviously thought the WGA’s terms were reasonable.”
Dear Mheister
No, they did not think the terms were reasonable. However, they knew with 100% certainty that their obligations under the interim agreements would be massively adjusted downward based on the AMPTP deal (via the favored nations clause), so they were willing to sign almost anything.
Without the favored nations clause there would be exactly zero companies that signed interim contracts, the terms of which were made completely irrelevant by the FN adjustment. Even though the interim agreements are legal contracts, they function merely as waivers pending the final outcome of the AMPTP agreement.
Respectfully,
lawdawg76
I do not voice support for either side of this strike, I see myself as neutral. Keep that in mind as I say that the WGA will not benefit from striking after being offered this deal. Yes, the deal isn’t perfect, but it’s not exactly horrificly terrible either. More striking will not bring you a better deal, if anything, it would only put the WGA in a worse situation. If the WGA is the cause of the breakdown of the TV season and pilot season aswell as the Oscars the AMPTP will not give the WGA what they want, they might, but they probably wouldn’t. The only real incentive the WGA would get from striking any longer would be to please SAG.
Work NEEDS TO be resumed next week.
From Nikki’s report: “I need to bring one more important thing to your attention: FAVORED NATIONS CLAUSE. At the Captain’s Mtg yesterday, we were told that clause is SUPPOSED TO BE IN HERE. It is not… That clause means if SAG gets a better deal, and they most likely will in a few key areas (like perhaps streaming and adjusting that long window that concerns many of us), we would get the SAME DEAL.”
Wait a minute… I THOUGH WE WERE AGAINST PATTERN BARGAINING. What happened to the cries of, “We’ll negotiate our own deal!” What do we care what SAG gets?
I think we’re a bunch of hypocrites. We’re against pattern bargaining except when we think it will help us. Sorry boys and girls, can’t have it both way.
Just to clarify, The non-strike provision is a con because the WGA wouldn’t be able to show its strength with SAG if and when they strike. When that contract comes due, the entire 2008-09 TV season will be in production (writer wise).
The only thing that will be hurt is production on movies destined for the 2009 Oscars and the short six or seven segement that NBC will produce that is scheduled to air at 7:30 PM eastern on August 8th. Television goes back into production in late July/early August and that is when SAG has some leverage.
When it does come to this contract, writers have 10x more leverage than actors and directors and it shows because the WGA did shut down Hollywood. As I stated before, the WGA can strike in 2011 and can delay the 2011-12 TV season due to the strike. The only difference will be that the strike will be shorter because the moguls will want the shows to go into pre-production including writing. Even a month-long strike could end up improving on this deal because it will help delay the TV season a few months.
As for the deal, streaming and downloads are two different things. There is NO PROMOTIONAL PERIOD FOR DOWNLOADS. Instead, AMPTP companies and third parties are required to pay writers for downloads, and the WGA made sure that it would be covered under Distributor’s Gross, not producer’s. I know that the Promotional window is bad, but SAG will want to fix it so that it will fit their guild.
When it does come to lean times, all a writer has to do is create content for new media and post it to a third party site such as You Tube or Google among others. The only questions are the following, how will the SAG deal with actors getting paid for new media, and will DGA members reject their deal in order to get a better new media deal? In all, this is the best deal you could have gotten. As a guild, you will likely be dealing with a rookie next time, and you can milk that rookie for all he or she is worth.
PJ – Writer why can you not see that you lost and have to go back to work?
Since we bill ourselves as the most educated guild, it should be noted that I believe Voltaire made the perfect/good statement before Bill Clinton.
It will bring me such joy to read the meltdown of all the hardliners here when the strike is ended without their vote. Almost as much as seeing Finke’s page hits drop off a cliff. You all can go to hell and choke on this deal that will be accepted as it is shoved down your throats. I will be loving it.
“To quote [WGA East head] Michael Winship [who was at the strike captains meeting in LA yesterday], who was quoting Bill Clinton, we shouldn’t let ‘perfect’ be the enemy of ‘good.’ ”
I’m pretty sure Volitaire said that before Clinton. Just for the record.
Quick question… where does the AMPTP get the balls to basically say that the WGA has to lift the strike before voting, and take this deal or it’s back to the drawing board? With the various deadlines coming up (salvaging the Oscars, some of this season, pilot season, and the 2009 motion picture slate), shouldn’t the pressure be ON THE AMPTP and not on the WGA? If this deal is acceptable, fine, vote for it. If it’s not… the WGA still has time to negotiate something better, responding to membership concerns. Use the 48-hour voting process. As long as the WGA still has leverage (and it still does, for the next week or so)… shouldn’t the WGA use it (especially if the membership is unhappy) instead of choking on the deal being crammed down its throat?
And, seriously, where is that Most Favored Nation clause on the New Media issues?
yeah for real lets get back to work, everyone who actually works in the industry as a REAL below the line crew member knows they love the job, or they wouldn’t do it. I honestly find it kind of funny to not know what time I’m going home after I get to work, and not knowing where I’m going till the end of the day or sometimes in the mornings before call. The movie and TV business in NYC from my perspective is a blast, theres tons of cool crew, grip(me), electric, set dresser and props, teamsters, craftie some catering. damn and I miss some of that food too!.
Anyway, my point is that right now if everyone went to back to work I think things would be back to normal between everybody and on these forums especially and it will be long remembered as the strike that set a good blueprint for a working future and not a strike that soured the working relationships of everyone involved.
So as a 52 GRIP here in NYC, I think you should vote yes on the contract as the President of your union supports it.
PATRICK JOHNSON
Without Favored Nations across the board, we have no deal!!
Too bad the WGA couldn’t get favored nations with SAG. If the writers give up reversing the terrible 22 year deal over DVDs, it is lost forver. Alarmingly, without the provision that SAG gains in DVD become WGA gains, we’re screwed…again.
If you think DVDs are a thing of the past, ask yourself why the moguls won’t budge an INCH.
Now’s the time to push harder, to at least get a favored nations clause with SAG on this issue.
I can live with the deal, but not without movement here. I will vote no.
Comment by Jessy S. — “As I stated before, the WGA can strike in 2011 and can delay the 2011-12 TV season due to the strike.”
You actually think that in 2011 that the writers will actually vote to go out on strike after what they got for thier 3 month effort this time around? I seriousy doubt that.
No, if you want improvement on this current offer, the time to act is now when the writers are already out on strike. This bunch is not going to be hitting the lines again for at least a decade or two no matter what the AMPTP does to them.
PJ – Writer why can you not see that you lost and have to go back to work?
Comment by Ashlee — February 9, 2008 @ 2:57 pm
Because I’m not a loser and I don’t want my Fellow Writers losing their futures either.
One question I have yet to hear a good answer to. Can you get a significantly better deal by sticking out the strike for 4 more months (more than twice the time you’ve been out so far)? How sure are you and will the pain (to “below-the-liners” and writers alike) be worth it?
Glad to year the NYC meeting was slightly less hysterical than this board. We’ll be happy to see ya back at work Monday, not walking around in circles outside.
And Nikki, that granny with the clock is freaking me out. Please take it down. I’m pretty sure I’m going to have nightmares about her tonight. Seriously.
One question I have yet to hear a good answer to. Can you get a significantly better deal by sticking out the strike for 4 more months (more than twice the time you’ve been out so far)? How sure are you and will the pain (to “below-the-liners” and writers alike) be worth it?
Comment by freelance worker bee — February 9, 2008 @ 3:38 pm
Anyone that thinks striking for a few more months will yield a significantly better deal is not living in the real world. And it would NOT AT ALL be worth the pain.
There is a “smoke and mirrors” ploy going on here. The bright shiny toy and happy magic mirrors that is consuming attention are the gains in separated rights and jurisdiction in new media. Which is great! However, these magic mirrors are being leveraged against gains in renumeration.
Harold has kept the rallying cry alive over the DVD formula because when this strike was first called and started, the DVD issue was one of the main concerns on the table. Everyone was militant to get increases on the DVD losses that a non-striking membership, over the last twenty years, was hoping would be given over time. That didn’t happen. Hence the current strike. Be aware of the shiny little mirrors.
Without a full favored nations clause that allows SAG a chance to get back on the table, one of what I also consider WGA’s not-so-great strategic “gives,” releasing the DVD formula, I’d be wondering what good is the Oscar and Pilot Season leverage anyways?
I know WGA gave DVD away, but with pattern bargaining, maybe this favored nations clause can come back. What if a “guaranteed ratification” rested on just this one small point to be re-instated? The closure of the streaming window is covered in the favored nations for new media, but any gains or possibility of raises on DVD is not. Would having a favored nations that includes this element for DVD help the hard-liners with some of their pain and disappointment?
On a 48 hour vote, a “no” by the membership on this current deal might give extra leverage for a quick turnaround to get back this one small but significant clause. Would it not be prudent to use this little bit of extra leverage temper to this starter deal with a positive solution of a favored nations clause that will allow SAG to do the rest of the heavy lifting and maybe get back DVD for everyone?
I keep saying it, and some of you keep pretending that it isn’t true, but the strike is over. The decision has been made. The letter has been written.
The NegCom is just trying to convince those that can’t accept it.
Everyone will be back to work Monday.
Don’t believe me?
“Everybody is telling everybody to come in Monday,” Jeff Ross, the executive producer of ‘Late Night With Conan O’Brien’ on NBC television, told the [New York] Times.
Still don’t believe me?
A summary of the proposed deal crafted this week was posted on the Writers Guild of America’s Web site hours before members attended meetings in New York and Los Angeles. Winship said afterward that he was encouraged by the membership’s response. Writers leaving the two-hour-plus New York meeting characterized the reaction as generally positive and said there was cautious optimism that the end of the strike — the guild’s first in 20 years — could be near. “There’s a general feeling of tremendous success. I was delighted,” said TV writer John Simmons, who estimated that about 500 writers were on hand. “We agreed that this looks pretty good. … It bodes well for the future.”
How about someone with a militant mindset? You know, say someone like Michael Moore?
Michael Moore, the Oscar-winning documentary filmmaker (”Bowling for Columbine”) and a nominee this year for his health-care film “Sicko,” attended the New York meeting. “It’s an historic moment for labor in this country,” Moore told The Associated Press.
Instead of a fat lady, the WGA has a fat man singing. The strike is over.
I have my own difficulty accepting the deal, but I had more of a problem with most of your complacency, your lack of outrage when the DVD proposal was dropped, your eagerness to promote pointless (and later worthless) “interim agreements” (which are still just glorified strike waivers that not only revert to the AMPTP deal, but do so retroactively to the date of the “interim agreement”), your blind trust of the WGA leadership even when confronted with its publicly obvious incompetence, and your general gullibility and stupidity.
This union is composed mostly of morons and incredibly wealthy people that don’t care about them.
This is the deal that morons deserve. This is the deal that doesn’t matter to those who have the clout to work their own deal.
This is the deal. Period.
You want to make more money on Blu-ray? Looks like you’re going to have to buy a studio, because your residual rate is good for another 30 years when enough of the membership has died or forgotten that it can’t win a strike that the membership will vote for another.
Think the votes will be there for another strike before then? Guess again, morons.
Thanks for nothing.
There are so many moving parts to this deal.
Here’s just one small example of what looks like an easily-exploited weakness in the proposed deal:
Writing for new media is covered by the
MBA if:
(1) it is written by a “professional writer” (anyone with a single TV or screen credit, 13
weeks of employment in TV, film or radio, a professionally produced stage play credit or
a published novel) or
(2) the program is derivative of an MBA-covered program or
(3) if the budget is above any of three thresholds: $15,000 per minute; $300,000 per
program; or $500,000 per series order.
Under this arrangement, a new young writer (no TV/movies, no novels, no plays) who originates non-series (who defines what is a “series”?) material for New Media, with a budget well OVER that of any soap opera on the air today, and does so for years and years, reaping zillions for his employers, need NEVER be considered a “professional writer” under these terms. Nor does his work EVER come under the Writers Guild MBA, nor does he get Health or Pension. Am I wrong? Please explain.
We all speak in hushed and funereal tones of the hosing the WGA has taken over the years–on videocasettes, on DVDs, etc. Well….THIS IS EXACTLY HOW IT HAPPENED. People got tired, people got frustrated, people wanted to get back to work. People believed that the deal at hand was the best available. People fell for the canard that if they didn’t take that deal, the next offer would be months away, and far worse. I WAS THERE, I REMEMBER. People were told that the contract was only a three-year deal, there would be adjustments later. People were told that surely your leaders, reviled by the AMPTP for their tenacity, would not lead you astray. The WGA fell in line….and that’s how we lost DVDs. That’s why you get four fucking cents when someone pays $20 to buy a movie YOU WROTE. And that’s never going to change.
I have steadfastly supported our current guild leadership in all of my posts on Nikki’s wonderful site, from day one of this strike. Go back and check. But THIS IS A TERRIBLE DEAL, one that we will surely rue. It ends residuals. It gives us 2% of nothing with this supposed “breakthrough” on distributor’s gross. It does not give us MFN with SAG, so that when they strike, as they will, and when their negotiators win deal points that ours have been happy to drop in return for nothing, we will receive no parity.
Before becoming a working writer and showrunner, I spent a career as a studio VP, working with business affairs issues every day. I was there for the ‘88 strike, and watched as my fellow studio execs laughed up their sleeves at how the WGA folded just as it was gaining leverage and making the majors sweat. WE WILL BE DOING THE SAME THING NOW IF WE APPROVE THIS DEAL.
Please don’t. If we say no, the studios aren’t going to pave their lots and turn them into golf driving ranges. They aren’t going to hire scab writers with a couple of spec “West Wings” to their name and tell them, “Congratulations–you’re the new Executive Producer of Lost.”
If we say no to this deal, as surely we must, the ride will get bumpy….but it will be clear-air turbulence, nothing more. We can ride it out and land in a better place.
BE STRONG. We have said it to each other from day one, and I always thought we meant it: “As Long As It Takes!”
SAY WHAT at 2:54 said, “Wait a minute… I THOUGH WE WERE AGAINST PATTERN BARGAINING. What happened to the cries of, “We’ll negotiate our own deal!” What do we care what SAG gets?
I think we’re a bunch of hypocrites. We’re against pattern bargaining except when we think it will help us. Sorry boys and girls, can’t have it both way.”
Sorry say what, but you can have it both ways, especially when one way has nothing to do with another. It’s a negotiation, not a college philosophy 101 survey course. You must be the same person or persons who were wanting the heads of David and Patric, until the tentative deal was announced, and now you’re quaking because maybe people are thinking for themselves. You can’t have it both ways. See you there tonight — I’ll be in red.
Here’s my take of the NYC meeting.
The membership which was made up of large blocks of writers who write for daytime and write for variety shows (Daily Show, Colbert, etc.) all seemed to just want to go back to work and they weren’t concerned with the terms all that much.
Especially, the “boys club” writer groups who worked for Conan, Colbert, Daily Show, etc.
Towards the end of the meeting, one of the writers of a daytime soap (who had asked an earlier question) started to realize that the deal “sucked”. She said she’d still vote for it, but it sucked.
Amy Sherman Palladino also spoke and expressed her concern over the 17-24 day window. The board seemed to not really want to deal with her, yet she made some very strong salient points.
My feeling is the board, while not ramming it down our throats, was very adamant that if you don’t take this deal it will be “nuclear winter” as Terry George described.
However, there are some major points that are wrong with this deal.
People wanted to know where the DVD residuals went and why animation and reality were not fought for and the board honestly couldn’t answer those questions to most people’s satisfaction.
I’d say the room was 60/40 to ending the strike w/o a vote and going back to work on Monday, but again, this room was comprised of a lot of writers writing for programs that this deal doesn’t really affect.
I think the WGA will realize that they can’t stop the strike w/o the vote and that is the way it should be.
I don’t love this deal. I feel there are many things this leadership promised us they were going to fight off and we dropped off the table.
I think they are cutting their losses by recommending ending this thing and getting people back to work this week since they’ve lost their stomach for the fight.
The whole negotiating committee clearly looked like they were not prepared to go back and fight for anything and said as much.
This is a take it or leave it deal and I hate being rushed and backed into a corner by my leadership like this.
I want to see some people actually break down these numbers and show us what they mean to us before we end anything.
I want time to figure this all out before I go back to work.
Most of all, I want time for the whole guild to vote before we do anything.
If the AMPTP won’t let us do that, there’s a reason. It’s because they know the deal might not pass and they are trying to steamroll this one last time.
To all my WGA brothers and sisters I suggest you implore leadership to take their time and give us time to decide if we’re willing to live with this.
They owe us that much for the all hours we’ve spent on the line. Otherwise it looks like we’ve been hustled around here.
SAG-favored nations wrote: I can live with the deal, but not without movement here. I will vote no.
Spoken like a true idiot who hasn’t seen work in 10 years.
lawdawg76 -
Point taken. And, I would add, A-listers like Paul Haggis, who signed a deal with UA after UA entered into an interim, are certainly able to negotiate a better deal than the contract minimums.
However, every company signing an interim had to be prepared to accept those terms for the duration of the strike, however long that might be.
REPOST — PREVIOUSLY POSTED BUT PARTS WERE MISSING ETC.
So now the most favored nations clause that was agreed upon by the moguls and WGA has been withdrawn without explanation?!
And we’re supposed to take this? This is really sad. If what we’re hearing out of New York, that writers at the meeting there are falling over themselves with joy and gratitude over this APPALLING, MONUMENTAL MISTAKE of a deal, then writers everywhere should shudder. Is this what we’re made of? Kissing the feet of these disingenuous greedy entitled little thugs? When the shit hits the fan we just crumble? Not me, not me, but I’m only one voice. I fear a silent majority of cowards. Almost everyone I talked to on the picket lines was adamantly opposed to many many point in the DGA contract, points that largely been cut and pasted into this agreement. But what about those that couldn’t find it in themselves to join their union brothers and sisters on the line? The writers that enjoy all the benefits of their union, but turn their back on it in a fight.
Before we vote we should know what percentage of New Media viewing occurs in the first 17 days versus >17 days. And projections of this number into the future. Do you think the studios don’t have this information? Do you think 17 days is an awfully strange and arbitrary number? Do you think it was chosen to maximize our profits or theirs? HOW CAN ANYONE VOTE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WITHOUT THIS INFORMATION. It will not be provided, because unfortunately our leadership appears to have been co-opted by management, turned into well-meaning stooges, bringing us the AMPTP’s wishlist on a platter.
What about the contract term ending in May instead of October? Again, who does THAT benefit?
The New Media jurisdictional threshholds. Do you think the studios may have run some numbers? Have we? Have you?
Part of what the leadership needs to do, is OBLIGATED to do, is to explain these numbers, and show evidence supporting them. They need to show us how this is a GOOD DEAL FOR US, and not just the only deal they were offered. Or the last deal they could abide before collapsing from exhaustion. That’s not an excuse to foist a shitty deal on 12,000 working people. That’s a sign that reinforcements were needed. No doubt it was hard and arduous and painful and frustrating and maddening. So what. That’s negotiating with high-priced weasels.
We need to compare this deal to what we asked for, not the baseline of ZERO that the AMPTP set. Anything compared to ZERO is an outstanding deal. But compared to what we asked for, which even Wall Street thought was basically negligible to the conglomerates’ bottom lines, this deal SUCKS BIG TIME.
I don’t want to be stuck for the next twenty plus years with another atrocious reprehensible home video style fleecing. And have the weight of that insulting precedent jammed into every contract until the end of time.
Freelance worker bee:
I have an answer for you – there’s NO WAY we’ll get a better deal in 4 more months. Because that means we will have rejected our leadership. The union will have been publicly divided. And we will have lost all the good will we’ve worked so hard to build up (despite some of the haters on this board, who really sound like they need to get a hemorrhoid lanced.)
And we’ll be putting even more pressure on SAG. Instead of giving them a leg up with this deal (as DGA has given us a leg up (and as we gave them a leg up, by striking)).
If this kind of cross-union cooperation is “pattern bargaining,” I have no fucking problem with it. It works!
(Of course, I desperately want favored nations to be part of this.)
Provided I hear the right answers to a few key questions, I’m voting yes on this deal. We have a toe on the internet beach head.
By the way – has anyone considered a fatal flaw to the viewing of shows with streaming ads? YOU CAN’T TIVO PAST THE ADS. That alone makes it a technology not likely to be dominant. Not to say it won’t be important: it is convenient and all. But I see it as being one of many new technologies people will use.
The deal is an imperfect, but acceptable deal, for a near-term future in which the dominant “entertainment delivery technology” has yet to emerge.
When it does, we’ll be ready.
Just glad it’s finally over!
I DON’T BELIEVE FOR A SECOND THAT THE WGA EAST SUPPORTED THIS LOUSY DEAL. Maybe – maybe – a few biggees did who have different priorities than the rank and file but no way in hell does the WGA East membership support this travesty. I THINK IT IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE OR AT THE VERY LEAST, MORE “MASS MEDIA SPIN” FROM THE COMPANIES.
Again, this deal will be rejected resoundingly by the TRUE WGA MEMBERSHIP WHEN THE REAL VOTE OCCURS. Don’t forget: no promotional windows of any kind, no “caps,” and a return of favored nation status. THE WGA HAS THE POWER HERE, NOT VICE VERSA. The other side is the one that is nervous. In solidarity.
Chips Down and everybody against this deal,
When you think about it, the WGA may have created an entire new industry, in new media and making sure that the Distributor’s gross is applied, by striking and holding their guns to the face of the AMPTP. That is as significant as WGA forefathers fighting for residues over 50 years ago.
Also, just remember that this deal was a face saving deal for Nick Counter as WGA leadership will likely be facing a rookie at the AMPTP in 2011, but the membership will be stronger in numbers while others facing lean times can create content for Google, You Tube, and other video sharing sites.
Just ask yourselves this, are you willing to vote down what could ultimately be a landmark deal and then in return have to accept a deal that is rotten to the core? If your answer is yes, are you willing to accept the fact that history will remember the 2007-08 WGA strike as one where members had a good deal, but almost destroyed their guild in the process? Personally, I think only an insane idiot would reject this deal and there are a lot of them at this site. I outlined the pros and cons earlier and, if I had a vote, it would be an yes vote despite the promotional window. That window can and will be eliminated in the next round of negotiations.
I agree that the strike is over Harold, but the DVD point is stupid — and I even posted earlier this week that the union was stupid for not focusing on DVDs… but to say in 30 years you’re going to be worried about blu ray is ridiculous… yes, the world won’t be on the internet in 3 years and DVDs won’t be gone… but it’s not going to be too many year’s past that… blu ray/DVDs will be with us no more than 10 years, after that they will go the way of VCR tape. Yeah I still have a VCR — can I remember the last time I used it? not really — if you’re a writer depending on your VCR tape residuals, you’re probably a writer hurting for $$
Most favored nation is going to be the cry of the anti-contract members obviously. The funny thing is, I don’t even remember hearing a guild member concerned about it before today (at least not posts on this site). If this deal is good enough to accept, isn’t it greedy to say ‘we can’t accept this deal because even though it’s good enough another guild MIGHT get a better deal.’ Most favored nation has nothing to do with whether this deal is good or not. It should be acceptable or it should be rejected — what happens with another guild isn’t the issue.
PJ, why are you begging WGA members to not take this deal when you’re not even a WGA writer (as you admit on other boards)?
You don’t have a dog in this fight.
It looks as though the New York gang have wisely said yes to the deal. Now if the LA gang are smart too, we can all get back to work.
Yeah. Some of us work, honey.
I DON’T BELIEVE FOR A SECOND THAT THE WGA EAST SUPPORTED THIS LOUSY DEAL. Maybe – maybe – a few biggees did who have different priorities than the rank and file but no way in hell does the WGA East membership support this travesty. I THINK IT IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE OR AT THE VERY LEAST, MORE “MASS MEDIA SPIN” FROM THE COMPANIES.
Again, this deal will be rejected resoundingly by the TRUE WGA MEMBERSHIP WHEN THE REAL VOTE OCCURS. Don’t forget: no promotional windows of any kind, no “caps,” and a return of favored nation status. THE WGA HAS THE POWER HERE, NOT VICE VERSA. The other side is the one that is nervous. In solidarity.
Comment by Anonymous — February 9, 2008 @ 5:04 pm
Why can’t you see its over. You will never get everything you want.
I DON’T BELIEVE FOR A SECOND THAT THE WGA EAST SUPPORTED THIS LOUSY DEAL. Maybe – maybe – a few biggees did who have different priorities than the rank and file but no way in hell does the WGA East membership support this travesty. I THINK IT IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE OR AT THE VERY LEAST, MORE “MASS MEDIA SPIN” FROM THE COMPANIES.
Again, this deal will be rejected resoundingly by the TRUE WGA MEMBERSHIP WHEN THE REAL VOTE OCCURS. Don’t forget: no promotional windows of any kind, no “caps,” and a return of favored nation status. THE WGA HAS THE POWER HERE, NOT VICE VERSA. The other side is the one that is nervous. In solidarity.
Comment by Anonymous — February 9, 2008 @ 5:04 pm
Well someone is in denial. I was at the East meeting and the deal was supported. Since you don’t use your real name I highly doubt you were at the meeting.
Nikki,
I’m not sure who or how many tips you got vis a vis the NY meeting. But I’d say it’d be pretty remiss to call it anything close to a love fest. Was it civil? Yes. Did anyone throw a chair? No, they did not. However, a FAIR AMOUNT of the members had issue, not only with the contract, but with the idea that the leadership and negotiating committee could possibly call off the strike without putting the vote out to the membership for ratification of the contract. People did NOT like this.
So if you’re a west member and you’re thinking you should just automatically go for it because it was “OK’d by the east” — don’t. Because it was not the resounding endorsement that Finke makes it sound like…
I know that the deal to include new writers via new media with the $15,000 per minute; $300,000 per program, or $500,000 series order threshold may seem high, but that can be fixed in the next deal if you want. However, a lot of short-form productions do have large budgets and there are a few video sharing sites that do have payment for anything a person posts to the net.
BTW, aren’t networks plotting to get rid of soap operas due to high costs? Besides most productions aren’t low budget. We can thank Director and Actors salaries for that.
Thanks Nikki for everything you have done over the last 3 months! The last sentence in the 9pm update has me ecstatic! I’m so happy it’s over.
Strike over?
Aw shit. Now I gotta actually write that second draft I owe the studio!
Let’s all tip a glass to the downfall of the losers who have nothing better to do than rant and rave about how they were going to bring the down the corporations, etc, etc. The concerns of actual working members of Hollywood were addressed, and most of these idiots have to face the facts that on Monday, they turn back into irrelevant pumpkins that can’t get a job in this town.
I just knew that the few vocal assholes on here were a very small minority. I guess I don’t have to be embarassed to be a screenwriter now.
Ten bucks says most of you are either wannabe screenwriters or out-of-work pricks.
Now do all you hardliner strike until June members believe it’s over? We’ve been telling you for the last week that the strike is over. Nikki’s 9 pm update proves just how out of touch you militants have been. But feel free to picket on Monday and Tuesday to get it out of your system. The majority will be going back to work on Wednesday. Soon everyone can go back to stealing ideas, re-writing your fellow writers when it’s not even necessary and it’ll be business as normal.
While I want this strike to be over RIGHT NOW, for fans and crew member’s sake, I think it’s important to not rush into things. It’s important to carefully look things over, especially when you’re dealing with a legal document filled with lawyer jargon. Better safe than sorry.
PJ, why are you begging WGA members to not take this deal when you’re not even a WGA writer (as you admit on other boards)?
You don’t have a dog in this fight.
It looks as though the New York gang have wisely said yes to the deal. Now if the LA gang are smart too, we can all get back to work.
Yeah. Some of us work, honey.
Comment by Gomer — February 9, 2008 @ 5:33 pm
LOL. Not THIS PJ Writer honey, get your facts straight. I’ve been a WGAw Writer for 5 years.
Just as many other Feature Writers, my livelihood is directly affected by the outcome of this deal.
call me crazy but could Nikki possibly be working WITH the AMPTP? imagine this most cynical scenario: she gains our trust by bad mouthing the AMPTP. once she has that, she manipulates us coloring things in favor of the AMPTP. think about it: she’s the one who got our hopes up with the breaking news that the AMPTP was coming back to the table in december. then think about who all her “insider” sources are. people in the meetings employed by the AMPTP. now she’s editorializing her posts with a AMPTP slant. if you read her posts carefully, they’re very much in favor of the AMPTP position which is ultimately to end the strike by having writers accept an unacceptable deal. all this talk about “lovefests” in the WGAE meeting and 25% of writers leaving in the WGAW meeting before deal points were even discussed is a very different picture from those who were there. Nikki, like all media outlets, is pushing the same agenda the AMPTP is. they’re trying to convince us the strike is already over when its up to the WGA MEMBERSHIP to call the end, NOT ANYBODY ELSE. Remember, everyone has an agenda. And remember what you’ve struck for. Is this deal even close to it? Thank God there’s a vote. I know some of you disagree but are unsure of speaking up. You can do that at the vote this week. Vote your conscience. You’ll have to live with it for 20 years.
The people on this board who support delay give reasons.
The people who support a quick acceptance give insults.
And we all know many of those abusive comments are coming from AMPTP payrollers. No one’s naive enough to believe they’re above “black-ops” media manipulation (remember that pre-prepared “It’s not our fault” statement at the last walk-out in December?).
When fans across the world watch “Lost” at ABC.com the day after it shows live, all of that money that Nissan or Doritos pays to the studio for its ads will go straight to the studio. None of it will go to the writers.
Who watches an online streaming episode of “Lost” after 17 days? Nobody.
The best part about tonight’s meeting were the times when David Young, explaining the deal points, paused as per the well-rehearsed script for applause and got none.
Still, even though I’m voting against it, I have no doubt we’re going to ratify this loaf, 17-day glory hole and all.
By the way, the only standing ovations that were enthusiastic and unanimous were the ones for the strike captains, volunteers and paid WGA staff. For Verrone and Young, not hardly.
I just don’t get you guys. You complain that the moguls don’t do what they promise, and according to all accounts, this deal was predicated on the fact that Mr. Verrone would lift the strike, and now he turned over for a vote. You can’t have pride and integrity if you do the exact same thing that you complain about, it’s hypocritcal.
rHob
These posts are so hate filled, it’s crazy.
It’s seems simple enough. If you think this is a “good” deal in your opinion, then vote for it. If not, vote against it.
I understand that after striking, that why not keep it going until you get what you want. But you can’t always get what you want, but sometimes you get what you need. I think Bill Clinton said that first too.
I guess is it worth it to you to strike for another 4 months and the end result still to be the same. Or worse.
Writer Bob: sorry dude, but that is a flat-out lie.
The ovation for Verrone was big and loud. For Young, not so much.
For Bowman, unqualified ovation.
And the biggest and longest cheer of all was for SAG supporting us. Well deserved. Hope we’ve given you a leg up, actors – and thanks again for backing us.
We’re done.
…and still that asshole John Ridley is sitting all alone in his booth at the Cafe Obscurity that his going fi-core has relegated him to.
Choke on lunch, John.
writer bob:
if you’re going to vote no, why are you acting as if its a foregone conclusion? im sure youre not the only one that feels that way. and if there is one…there can be many.
How would it sound if a boss said, “Sure, you work a 40 hour work week, but we’ll only start paying after the 17th hour.” or, you pay for a months electricity, but the power company keeps your lights off till the 17th day?
In any other context, how does this make sense?
How does any delay make sense? You think Toyota, or Geico wait 17 days to pay for their ads? You think the AMPTP waits 17 days to collect the bill?
Yes, hard times are here…but why strike if you’re not ready to go to the mat for what’s right?
A strike is not a “pause” in your employment, when a union member goes on strike, they’re essentially saying, “I quit, until a fair deal is reached.”
How is a delay of 17 days fair?
Would the studio think it was fair if you turned in a 43 page script in which the first 17 pages were blank?
There are a lot of places in which to negotiate, there are a lot of places for give and take…but not take and take.
Lastly, having trust in your leadership doesn’t mean you can’t disagree with them.
Writer Bob… don’t know what meeting you attended, but I was several rows from the front and David Young, when reading off the deal points, received numerous rounds of applause.
What I DID see was a large group of obviously disgruntled writers who had attended the meeting prepared for an outpouring of discontent. I watched them quickly become sullen and resigned when it was clear that no such dissension was going to take place, and that the membership was solidly and enthusiastically behind the committee.
It was a great night and a solid defeat for those who’d like to see us keep striking for another six months.
Dennis, you weren’t there. Half the people left before questions at the WGAW meeting. Everyone is going to confirm this. Find a new thing to be mad about.
“Before becoming a working writer and showrunner, I spent a career as a studio VP, working with business affairs issues every day. I was there for the ‘88 strike, and watched as my fellow studio execs laughed up their sleeves at how the WGA folded just as it was gaining leverage and making the majors sweat.”
*nods* The sad part is, if this is the best deal we can get after three months, what the hell happens three years hence when a strike is out of the question? I can’t wait to see those terms. They’ve got us on the ropes and they know it.
I also can’t wait to see the reaction from all the “sensible, reasonable moderates” in 18 days when we’re on a de facto second strike when nothing can get bonded in anticipation of a SAG strike. Fun times, it was all worth it.
“The majority will be going back to work on Wednesday”
Yeah, for two whole weeks, at which point everything shuts down again. Then we sit around for 3-6 months until SAG strikes a better deal that we get no part of.
It’s hard to see why anyone thinks there’s a downside here. We’ll be sittung more and walking in circles less, so our shoes will stay shiny and new, that’s a huge plus.
I was there tonight, and I have mixed emotions.
On the one hand, the whole evening felt like a great big WGA circle jerk. Like everyone up on that dais was someone on Student Council you hated in high school. Seriously, did we really need to spend 15 minutes introducing everybody– AGAIN– and then listen to Verrone et. al. pat themselves on the back in an orgy of self-congratulation? So annoying. And so boring. When David Young started going through the deal points item by item, I wanted to die. We can read, dumbass. And his play-by-play narration of all the cool shit he did to trick those big mean companies was so ridiculous and unnecessary that it made me wonder what that note read that Verrone got about 30 minutes in: “Tell David to shut up. We had them at ‘we vote in 48-hours.’”
Young’s attempted explanation of the cave in on Y3 television ad streaming residuals should go down as an all time example of ass-covering double-speak. Where I was sitting– and I shit you not– every writer in the hall was turning to his or her neighbor and saying, WTF? It was classic. Like the more he talked, the more he thought we might buy his bullshit. It must have been so hard for Bowman, whom we all know he was the one who made this deal, not garment boy.
On the other hand, I’m strangely proud of our Guild and what we’ve accomplished. And I agree with the posters upthread who say that the militant naysayers have gotten their comeuppance. It’s easy to rag the deal and call it a “shitloaf” when you’re a wannabe hack who’s never been able to build a career in this town. Those types must be so disappointed this strike is over, because now they have to go back to speccing their Gossip Girls and horror movies and being at home most of the day with mom and the dogs. I say good riddance. See you next strike, except probably not, you’ll be managing Inn-N-Out by then.
Bitter? Yes. Happy it’s over? You bet your ass. Nice job, Bowman. And I swear I’ve never met the guy. His hair sucks.
So boys and girls, what have we learned here these last three months? The moral of this story is very simple.
Don’t start a war if you aren’t prepared to fight it to ultimate victory. You also can’t worry about collateral damage like all the BTL’ers who were forced out of work. And you need generals in charge who actually know how to win a war.
The Guild lost this battle but they can still win the war for real internet and dvd profits. You all need to vote in new leaders for 2011. There should absolutely be a sequel to this strike three years from now. If there isn’t then you will have lost everything. Consider this current agreement a cease fire, no more no less. A temporary suspension of hostilities.
In order to win the next battle you have got to decide in advance how long you are willing to strike for. Six months won’t be enough. You will have to picket for at least one year to get real profits and obviously the collateral damage from such a long strike will be enormous.
You will also need a strong ally. The actors guild will have to join with you for a total shutdown of Hollywood. Anything less will result in another disappointing outcome that nobody is really happy with. Your leaders claim they did the best they could. But in truth they were poor choices to lead this battle.
There should also be two or three new writers guilds. One for the super A-list writers. Another group for the middle class. A third group for the old and out of work along with the young and rookie scribes. The current Guild structure is obsolete and rife with internal conflicts.
It’s not a real union it never was and it never will be, it’s always been a forced collection of overpaid egomaniacs and desperately struggling writers who have real talent but lack the social connections to achieve wealth and stardom. A sad and argumentative assortment of disassociative personalities who will never be happy as long as they are thrown together in such an odd and illogical fashion.
Better luck next time kids. Vote in better smarter leaders. Plan ahead financially so you can stay out for an entire year. Then stick to your guns. And you also need to up your demands 100-fold. No more asking for nickels and settling for pennies. Start asking for dollars then settle for quarters or even 50 cents.
Same goes for the BTL people who have to wage their own strike to get better deals for themselves. They were victims here and it was unfair to them.
Get rid of Leo Short because he’s always been in Nick Counter’s pocket and you might start seeing better money and less hours. You folks work the hardest of anyone. Your jobs are dangerous and literally kill you when you don’t get enough sleep and have to drive home from location. That is still happening even after the tragedy of a few years ago. But your battle is still to be waged. The writers war is over for the moment.
I am a show runner with the power to hire approximately eight to twelve writers on my shows each and every year. I have carefully vetted the comments on this blog, and will be sure to blackball any one of you assholes who claim to speak for working writers everywhere. Every comment that seeks to prolong this strike is obviously the desperate, grasping, death rattle of a writer whose career is as frozen in the ice as the ancient Piltdown Man. Go back to waiting tables and bike messengering, you nerdball creeps.
We’re all in this together!
So if the writers accept this deal they’ll supposedly be ripped off, and if they reject it, they’ll split the union into pieces?
That’s harsh. But hopefully without the distraction of television entertainment people will be more educated about this year’s elections, right?
…right?
So Verrone is unveiled as a paper tiger after all. And a toothless one at that.
Welcome to the era of flat-rate residuals. We deserved much, much better.
Ok Biopic dude, you have my apology. An emotional reply on my part. However, I am a working writer (who’s been out of work for the past three months, but before then, not in seven years, thank you), and rarely act idiotically, though on occasion I surprise myself. Tonight’s meeting answered questions. Great job Nikki for keeping us informed.
>>By the way, the only standing ovations that were enthusiastic and unanimous were the ones for the strike captains, volunteers and paid WGA staff. For Verrone and Young, not hardly.
Comment by Writer Bob — February 9, 2008 @ 10:35 pm<<
Dude,
I was there. Verrone got the biggest and longest standing O. Standing Os all around to the leadership. And David Young got plenty of applause on the good points.
You’re just lying.
By the way, remember when the audience went really silent? The part when Young admitted to the crowd that there’s basically no real money in internet streaming for three years?
That was awesome.
I will vote against lifting the strike and I will vote against this deal. It is not the historic deal we needed to get and could have achieved.
I do not blame the WGA leadership – they were great. They represented us well. The US is the problem. Sadly, I looked at my fellow writers at the Shrine tonight and I saw a group of very nice, very talented people who simply do not have the stomach for the big fight. The Companies accurately measured our “wuss factor” and used it to slam a deal with huge holes.
I picketed every day but one, double shifts many days. However, it seems many of my fellow members had “other priorities”. They may have voted for the strike, but they were not in this to win. To my fellow die-hard strikers, you’re the real deal. With 3,000 of you, we could have changed this game forever. To those less committed souls who now just want it to end, you are getting the deal you deserve. Don’t bitch when you realize how bad it turns out to be. Look in the mirror.
well, I guess it’s done. Now we’ll just have to wait and see who was right. Is this a landmark achievement for the WGA? Or just another home video travesty. Time will tell.
I just want to echo Justine Bateman’s eloquent comments in her latest United Hollywood post.
I’ve met some amazing people on the picket line, the few days I’ve been able to get out there. I also saw and experienced a lot of camaraderie.
The strike is not over. We do not know yet how the WGA membership will vote (I personally will not vote for any SAG deal that gives the moguls a 17-day free pass on Internet content, but I pass no judgment on anyone who votes for the proposed WGA agreement).
If the WGA votes yes, mazel tov and All Hail. If it rejects this proposed agreement, I will be back out on the picket lines with my blue SAG shirt every chance I get. Either way, every SAG member IMHO should respect and appreciate the deep solidarity the writers found through this action, and we would do well to take this script and put it on its feet.
Again, thank you WGA and I’m still there with you.
Thank you Patrick, David, and John! You took on the largest corporations in the world and won a wonderful deal for our membership. Perfect? Not at all. But pretty damn good? God damn it, you bet it is. And much better than the awful rollbacks the studios had planned. Holy shit, is it so much better.
To all the Teamsters who sacrificed so much and came out and supported our cause in our greatest hour of need, a huge THANK YOU! Words can not begin to express what your support meant to us. It was truly incredible — especially given what complete shits we were in the late ’80s when your strike issues were at stake. All I can say is your sacrifice shall never be forgotten. Again, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you!
To the SAG members who also regularly were out on the picket lines, also a big thanks. We hope you are not on strike at the end of June but if you are, we shall be out there in force to support you.
To the college students and writers hoping to join the Guild who came out, we also give thanks– we hope to count you as fellow members soon enough.
To Mr. Drew Carey who spent a good $10,000 a week during the strike to make writers’ lives just a bit easier, a huge thanks. You are a true mensch. You’ve always been America’s everyman, but never more so than in your generosity these past months. Expect to find yourself to be written in to scripts for years to come.
And to my fellow members, who risked everything to ensure that the incredibly difficult occupation known as “Hollywood writer” could continue to exist for generations to come, I couldn’t be more proud to call myself a member of the WGA than I am today.
Keep up the good work, Nikki. You have our full attention as the true voice of Hollywood and we expect you to keep speaking up loud and clear throughout the SAG negotiations and beyond.
The unions in Hollywood, as outdated as we may be, have never been more united.
It’s been an incredibly fun and long night of celebrating with my fellow writers at way too many bars to mention, but tonight for the first time in months I am content. For tonight, as Patrick told the New York Times, “I sleep the sleep of the just.”
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It’s been a shitty few months, and horrible for everyone, but we took on some of the biggest multinational companies in the world and came out not only standing, but much better off than we were before!
Yes!
Question, Writer Bob — if you wrote an episode of a show (for which you got initial compensation) that someone Tivo’d but didn’t watch for nine days, would you expect additional payment? If you paid attention tonight, you would understand that the ‘window’ is the same thing. The companies claim to be selling advertising in blocks which include running on the internet as the initial buy (if they’re lying, we will be able to determine that going forward). This isn’t going to be a bunch of people watching an episode for the second time, it will be the way some people watch it the first time. Unless you believe there are millions of people out there wanting to see a show twice in one week.
And I was there last night. Are you suggesting there were ‘un’enthusiastic standing ovations? Is that even possible? Did people half-stand?
Don’t accept this deal, it caps residuals at $400 for half hour shows and $800 for hour shows. You guys really have to analyse this deal. Do you have lawyers who can do this?
I will repeat what I said back in October/November. This strike will accomplish nothing that couldn’t be accomplished by waiting and going out on strike with SAG in June. And far fewer people would be hurt.
What did we get that was so great? A 17-day window for which we’re paid zilch? 2% of nothing after three years? Our leaders are a bunch of egomaniacal children who threw a tantrum and put the industry through hell for no apparent reason. In the end, the APMTP ate them for lunch.
To see Verrone, Young and Bowman patting themselves on the back last night for a job badly done was pathetic. And now we’re still facing a SAG strike in June anyway.
I’m voting to end this strike because it never should have a happened in the first place.
I understand that people want a good deal, but at some point, don’t you want to go back to work? The people that are upset about something being shoved down your throats are the same people that would be complaining about leadership “dragging their feet” if the meetings weren’t scheduled so fast. Some people just want to complain even if it means that others won’t get to pay their mortgage this month or feed their families next month. Principle won’t keep you warm, and righteous indigation won’t calm a growling belly. I’m not saying be happy with anything. I’m just saying be happy you got something, and save the things you didn’t get for a future fight so that people can get back to work before no one gives a damn about the strike or the writers anymore.
I don’t know what meeting ‘writer Bob’ was at. But I turned to my friend and felt like I was at the ‘State of the Union’ speech. There was mass cheering and standing ovations for just about everything. And when Verrone entered last — on his own — he got an over-whelming standing ovation.
We were up and down so much — I felt like I was in shool.
The smartest thing the leadership did was change the agenda so that the membership got to weigh in on whether the Board should lift the restraining order or not — over the next 48 hours — rather than have the Board do it unilaterally, which they obviously have a right to do — which came as a shock to a lot of us! I did not think it right that 3,000 people at the Shrine speak for the 10,000. Nor did I feel it right that it wasn’t a secret vote. Why should everybody else see how everybody else voted.
The deal is the deal. They obviously put a positive spin on it — and as a ‘veteran of ‘88′ there’s a whole different feel to it — and to the cohesiveness of the Guild — which is all to the good. The monetary specifics will play out over such a long term to determine if they are any good or not that it’s difficult to judge. We planted a flag is about all I can say — was it worth it? As I said to a reporter outside — we’ve got to find better ways to resolve our differences and build a business to the benefit of everybody rather than to the detriment of everybody. I think there’s got to be a better way than ’striking’ which hurts too many people caught in the cross-fire.
But what’s the shock of a strike throwing people out of work??? That’s what it does. Duh!
Personally, I think we could have gotten a little more — but I know for a fact that John Bowman is a good and smart guy — and he told me at the beginning of the strike that ‘distributor’s gross’ as a yardstick would NEVER be accepted by them. And lo and behold, there it is. At least for ‘new media’.
Now the question will be how to you monitor it. Or will there be a third set of books?
Isn’t there a tight cap on the third year streaming percentage deal? If so, what’s the point of a percentage deal?
Nikki,
Thank you for your excellent reporting and tireless (when healthy) commitment. Before the strike I wasn’t aware of your site, just your career as a print journalist. You and your site are an invaluable resource and I hope you’re finding ways to make money from new media. You are read by a large number of influential, affluent people. You should have more ads.
I’ve been critical of you in the past (in comments you usually don’t post), but what you’ve sacrificed in journalistic objectivity, you’ve more than made up for in well-sourced comprehensive reporting.
Thank you. I hope you continue to thrive in the days post strike.
In the end, the WGA made important gains which have and will benefit other unions. And further gains are entirely possible in 3 years when the monitization of new media will be that much clearer. Unfortunately, the expectations of some were raised to impossible levels, which accounts for some of the catastrophizing and bizarre attacks on you in some of the comments posted here.
Let’s get back to doing the work we all love to do and for which we are incredibly well paid when we succeed.
Hey Writer Bob, I don’t know where you were, maybe out in the lobby scarfing free cookies or in the back row of the balcony where you couldn’t see the action — But from where I was sitting, the standing O’s for Verrone/Young/Bowman and for the Neg Comm were spontaneous, huge, unanimous and long. The standing O when the committee entered and people started spontaneously rising to their feet to cheer and applaud was over 2 minutes (it went on so long, i pulled out my cell phone to count) — and almost as long when Patric, David, John and Tony Segal entered.
If you’ve made up your mind to be disgrunted, then be disgruntled. But don’t spew inaccuracies because you’re in a bad mood.
If this agreement is actually voted through, the biggest lesson from the strike will be the following.
THE WGA (LEADERS AND MEMBERS) IS THE AMPTP’S BITCH: YESTERDAY, TODAY, AND FOR ALL OF YOUR TOMORROWS.
Sorry, but the companies will walk all over you till the end of time.
OR VOTE NO. YOU CAN STILL SAVE YOUR BALLS — AND YOUR FUTURES.
Nah, Nikki’s not with the AMPTP. She’s just like a lot of writers who are going to vote against the deal: she wants to see the strike continue because it gives her a purpose. Let’s face it: a large percentage of the WGA do not work on any kind of regular basis (I read a NYTIMES article interviewing some picketers, and some of them hadn’t had a WGA job in 2 years), and walking the picket line, being on strike, gives them a sense of involvement with their union. It also allows them to network. Deal or no deal, these folks are unlikely to benefit much from it. So why not make a last gasp attempt to prolong this? Same for Nikki: Who actually heard of this woman before the strike?
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!
Very classy of you to credit Joel Stein (who I increasingly find to be less unreadable than I used to, so you might give him a try again) – for breaking the big news from inside the Shrine. It would have been very easy for you to have texted someone insides the hall to confirm, but – instead – you gave us the breaking news as it happened, no matter who broke.
Too bad, so few ‘journalists’ have been willing to credit you in the same way.
For all the writers who think this deal is being shoved down your throat: Good! Now you know what it feels like to be the rest of us who had this poorly negotiated, ill conceived strike shoved down our throats. To the writer’s who are not sheep and can see the best deal when it arises: congratulations! You probably will save your guild’s existence.
Writer Bob, you were obviously at a different meeting than the rest of us. There were many standing ovations and cheers for both the deal, and the leadership. You obviously see what you want to see, because you feel that this deal isn’t good enough. At least the leadership was honest about the 17-day window. They know it’s not great, but they also know that having turned it down would mean an end to these negotiations and more picketing until who knows when. Maybe you prefer to walk around in a circle for 3 hours a day, but the rest of us who actually work, want to go back and write for a living.
At the meeting, DYoung said several times that he has concerns about the deal. There’s a difference between “we didn’t get everything we wanted,” and being worried about how aspects of the deal are going to play out over the long haul — i.e. unknowns and areas where the companies can flout the spirit of the agreement by weasel-wording its terms and sidestepping where wiggle room exists.
In my Humble O, this is a very nice and tasty cake they’ve got in the oven. It simply isn’t ready to come out yet. It needs more work. This Rush to Ratification is bogus. Sorry.
re: the 17 day window. Let’s say you’ve got a new series. You’re on the bubble for your first few episodes. The ratings aren’t great. Competition during your time slot is tough. But — hey, look at this. You’re actually getting a good amount of viewers via streaming during that 17 day window. That data is used to KEEP YOUR SHOW ON THE AIR.
Keeping an entire staff working on a series that now has a chance of going a full season and developing an audience… getting a good shot at a second season… does that not have value as well?
I’m not a writer, just a major TV whore who misses his favorite TV shows. If the strike is truly ending, I’m very happy to get TV back.
All this drama and opinions about the “deal” is confusing to a non-writer. Half the posts here are trashing the deal the rest are trashing those trashing the deal. I can’t tell if the deal really is a good or bad thing.
So I just wanted to say, that whether or not the studios are giving you guys the respect you deserve. You at least have it from me and other fans like me. Thank you for all that you do and the hours and hours of entertainment you’ve provided over the years.
I think you guys screaming about the “promotional window” are somewhat missing the point; I tried to comment about this before but the comment didn’t go through, but Christopher Kubasik makes the same point I was trying to make on the UH site:
http://unitedhollywood.blogspot.com/2008/02/ad-supported-streaming.html
The whole point is that people who watch online aren’t watching a rerun (which would normally be eligible for residuals) but are in fact almost certainly watching the show for the first time.
As Christopher put it:
“So, that’s the issue. Not whether there SHOULD be a window, but how long. We don’t get paid for the first airing of TV. We don’t get paid when movies play at a theater. Why? The companies own the content. They funded the show. Staffed it. Handled business matters, took the financial risk. Our residuals are based on CONTINUED interest in a piece of content. And that is when we start getting paid for reuse — after the negotiated length of the window ends.
Since we’re going to be building off of previous models (because that’s how things work) the truth is there’s going to be a window where the people who own the content get to do what they want with it. Should it be one week? Two weeks? Three?”
I work in the Internet industry, interactive media, so I’m on neither side of this strike, but I’ve sided from the beginning VERY strongly with the WGA. I’ve written blog posts about it and from the beginning I’ve agreed the AMPTP has been acting horribly. But the mere fact people think it’s fair there’s a “window” doesn’t make someone an AMPTP shill. Eventually broadcast first-run is going to go away and everyone will watch things online — during some sort of “window” after the episode is posted. To insist that residuals get paid from day 1 means changing the model — giving writers residuals on the FIRST broadcast of an episode. The issue your leadership was fighting for was not to have rollbacks on *repeat* use of your content, to retain residuals on repeats, to get a percentage of distributors gross for something equivalent to a “repeat”. How many people watching during the 17-24 day window are going to be watching it a second time?
Sure, most people are going to watch it during the window. But that’s akin to the first run broadcast. You don’t get residuals for that now. That’s what the initial payment for your work is for. The whole principle of residuals is that if the studios make money off their library, you get a cut. A window is a fair way to approximate this idea.
Even Michael Moore called this deal a huge win for the labor movement. I think he’s right. You guys won! Yes, it’s not a perfect deal but from my outside perspective it is a damn good deal. You have a lot to be proud of. No, I am NOT working for the AMPTP, I think Nick Counter is a !&@&&$&@!, and I am with the WGA all the way. But you “militants” are really missing the point. Nick Counter tried a slash and burn strategy and it failed, because everyone saw through the bullshit. You’ve won (mostly).
I think the writers ought to take their time with this. If they feel they’ve gotten a deal they can live with, they can end the strike and I’ll support that. There seems to be entirely too much external pressure trying to make them ‘get back to work’ for the’ town’s sake’. Which is nonsense. I mean, seriously, they are being asked to make important and momentous decisions (by the artificial drop dead dates proposed by the moguls) and all so we can, what, have the Oscars? I mean come on, this is nuts and bolts, serious labor strife. We can’t start deciding these things because of the nice parties we’d like to throw. I know the Oscars mean a lot; most people in the biz would love the validation that comes from receiving one. Let the writers decide for themselves.
As an actor (one who’s working right now, of all things) I know that SAG will be under tremendous external pressure not to strike because of the work stoppage that already has taken place. If our union needs that option, we will need to exercise it despite the outside forces that want to shape whether any particular deal is one any of our unions should accept.
I agree, new leadership will be in place by 2011. I am sure that Amy Sherman-Palladino will likely be the President of WGAeast though I don’t know about WGAw.
Besides, this is a good contract because the WGA gains outnumbered the losses. When the strike began on November 5th, the AMPTP seemed to have the WGA on the ropes with so many rollbacks that if the entire guild were to accept them, it would mean the WGA’s death or close to it.
What you gained in this contract was provisions for original work for new media that would, at least, help pay the bills in lean times because a great majority of new media work can be posted to sites like you tube or Google video. Best of all, you gave the SAG a template to work with in their negotiation. It was Verrone, Bowman, and Young that did the heavy lifting there.
As for that 17 day window, yes it is a loss, but not a total one because that can be fixed by SAG negotiations with a clause that grandfathers in the DGA and WGA or an advertiser boycott. If that window does remain, the WGA will strike in three years time to get it removed. Regardless, I don’t think the 17 day window matters to Lost fans. That show is so full of clues that I bet that Lost is ABC’s #1 streamed show. If not, the show can be downloaded, and downloads aren’t covered by the window.
Those “writers” bitching about not getting residuals for the episodes they didn’t even write (but another writer on the show did write) are acting as if they never get paid a salary. Like every job, your salary is as close to a guaranteed thing as you’ll get. Residuals or bonuses are not. So series writers can quit acting like they don’t get paid a salary for writing a series when everyone knows that’s bullshit and they do.
Now it’s time to out, bring to trial, and fine the scabs.
Start with numbers 1 and 1a: Leno and DeGeneres.
The amount per-day alone should be a nice lump sum for the pension and welfare funds.
And this is all for… what?
SAG is going on strike in June. The town will start shutting down again in March.
I don’t understand why we’re calling off this strike. We could get more — a lot more — by teaming up with SAG. They’re going to strike anyway. Why shouldn’t we benefit from it?
How long before this will be called what it is – a bad deal?
So in three years, if we tally up the totals and find that writers have received little or no money from internet, yet the studios have raked in billions, will people fess up and say it’s a bad deal? I wonder if after the end of the ‘88 strike, people didn’t trumpet the deal in some type of favorable light like what’s going on here. When did it finally get viewed for the crummy deal that it was?
We should know in three years if this deal benefited writers or screwed them. I say it screwed them, and they should be weary about striking again. The leaders don’t even know the difference between a bad deal and a good deal.
And to the guy who’s trying to say internet is not reuse because most people haven’t seen the content yet, then the same argument can be made for repeats. So if most people that end up watching the repeat watch it because they didn’t catch it on its first run, should the writer get no residuals for that too? Maybe a four repeat rule before it’s considered reuse?
Nick Counter must be laughing his ass off at how he got exactly what he planned for.
“But Verrone said TV showrunners (who have producing duties in addition to writing duties on TV series) would be allowed to go back to work Monday before the 48-hour notice vote by members is conducted.”
THE ABOVE IS WHY THIS DEAL WAS SHOVED DOWN WRITERS THROATS, AND WHY WRITERS ARE BEING ‘HANDLED’ INTO BELIEVING IT WAS A VICTORY.
THE SHOWRUNNERS WHO RETURN TO WORK MON. SHOVED THIS DEAL THROUGH AT THE EXPENSE OF EVERYONE ELSE.
WAKE UP, FOLKS!
Once again, good work, Niki – and I also commend you for describing Stein’s L.A. Times writing as “unreadable.” He is awful and his satire is toothless – he makes Erma Bombeck seems like dorothy Parker!
When these negotiations started, and when they devolved into a strike, the underlying principle we were attempting to foist on the Companies was: when you profit, we profit. 17-day windows and $15,000-a-minute budget thresholds are not consistent with that concept.
So Verrone thanked Chernin after Chernin lied to his face over MFN (not to mention lied in Nov when he promised a great deal if we took DVDs off the table). It explains so much.
I came home from last night’s meeting soooooooo happy that I tossed my Tv out the front window.
And the next time I run into a showrunner, he/she will meet the same fate.
Well… I came to the meeting to be convinced, and I left… horrified. And I regret deeply not speaking up with my concerns at the meeting — a feeling I bet others share.
Let me preface this by saying I love all of the board and Negcom guys. They’ve been dealing with these monsters for months and I applaud them. Truly. They deserve our respect and gratitude and they have mine. And maybe they are right, that they looked into the eyes of these guys and knew that this was the best that we could get… I just don’t happen to believe it.
We have been played like children by these sociopaths throughout this entire ordeal. What I came away from the meeting with was knowing that we got screwed out of favored nations status in writing at the last minute, are trusting to a handshake(!) any increases made by SAG in their contract, and are excluded from getting any DVD money if they get more.
Even one of the board members flat out admitted it to a questioner last night: We just sold the internet for a year for a max of 1600 dollars. That’s including foreign. With a 17 day window that all of the board members said they were really worried by.
So, basically, after 17 days of FREE usage, they could run an episode of Lost, all day, every day, for an entire year, all over the world — even run it as the little ticker at the bottom of the CNN screen if they chose, and the most that writer would get is –1600 bucks. Does that seem like a fair deal in any universe? And this will be the platform that we work from forever. Just like the terrible DVD model we’re STILL living with.
I was almost ashamed to be a member of the WGA last night. We had a chance to strike shoulder to shoulder with SAG, shut down the Oscars, and threaten 8 billion dollars in ad revenue at the upfronts… none of which the networks would have let happen, and instead we let ourselves be punked out of fear. This was not the moment of greatest leverage for us. It was only the beginning of that leverage.
I’m sorry to be so down, but the entire tone of that charade was just so false. Backpatting each other over overcoming the draconian rollbacks that the AMPTP started the negotiations with. Any child could see that that was just posturing. At that point we should have come back demanding 50% of the internet and 3 dollars a DVD. Then they would have known they were in for a fight with adults who also knew how to posture. Instead we started with our bottom line offer. Well, it won us the P.R war but it let them know they could play us like fiddles which they did, stalling until they could deal with the DGA and then stalling until this artificial “Time’s up” deadline appeared. Oh and by the way, unless you agree to end the strike and recommend this to your members you can’t even have it. Now get out.
I’m not voting for this turkey. If we had just had the guts to hold out a little longer we could have really gotten something. I’m not saying we didn’t get anything, we did, but we could have gotten more, instead of this empty feeling of vague shame. We’ve been repeatedly lied to, slapped around and punked, the very latest being this whole Favored Nation thing being yanked away from us at the last second. And instead of getting angry… we just take it.
Their anger over the Oscars is a feint. The real prizes are the upfronts which net these guys 8 billion a year in upfront ad buys… usually for turkeys they couldn’t sell in the light of day and next year’s movie slate. I don’t believe they would risk either.
We did blink. Twice. I understand having to pay bills, and mortgages, and feed your children, I really do. But those realities were there when we voted 90% to strike in the first place, weren’t they? There comes a moment in any fight when you may be frightened, you may be losing, and you’re certainly tired and bleeding. In that moment an individual looks inside of himself and takes measure of his soul. And either finds the courage to rise and fight on… or looks inward and finds… nothing but fear. And that moment of giving in haunts him/her for the rest of their lives, if they want to admit it or not. This is that moment.
We can get more. And it won’t take three months either. None of those sociopaths want SAG and the WGA striking at the same time. It’s their worst nightmare.
Vote no. Vote no. Vote no.
I just wanted to say a HUGE thank you, Nikki.
Your coverage of the Strike has been incredible!
Hey Diehard, still in shock.
Why don’t you go picket all by yourself, unless you can get a couple of hardliners to go with you. Get over it. it is over. Your “leaders” have unconditionally recommended the deal. Showrunners back to work on monday.
You know, “solidarity”. “We are all in this together.”
Some people.
What’s so groundbreaking about this deal? It’s basically the DGA deal with a few writer specific additions. Three months pissed away, barely anything gained and a business that is irrevocably changed for the worse — less jobs for fewer people at lower pay. It’s amazing that so many feel the leadership achieved a “huge victory”. Rationalize all you want, the deal blows. Way to go WGA. SAG, learn from this bungled negotiation.
Vote no.
Just when you’ve reached the point of greatest leverage yet (the Oscars and Feb. production deadlines) you cave?
It’s a bad deal. Vote no.
Having been at the meeting last night and seeing/hearing David Young for the first time, I now know why Nick Counter et al. despised him so much.
He’s articulate, intelligent, tireless, charming, handsome,honest, and totally knows his shit.
Thank you, Patric, John, David, and the entire negotiating committee. As a TV writer who was on that line every single day and is truly grateful to have a job to go back to, I’m relieved it’s over, and after all is said in done, feel it was well worth the fight. Again, thank you, and my child thanks you.
We won something in this strike that I don’t think gets enough credit – the respect of this town and nation. It might not seem like a lot. But when we were “talking” in October, the conglomerates made the negotiating committee seem out of their minds for asking for reasonable points and… PEOPLE WERE BELIEVING THEM. I mean my God, do you think United Hollywood was motivated by nothing? We needed to get our side out there and painted in a light that actually seemed, if nothing else, truthful, sane and reasonable.
At the critical juncture we arrived at, we were at risk of losing all of that and severely fracturing a relatively unified guild that hasn’t been unified in God knows how long. I couldn’t believe how many people came out to picket. But that would all change if we started to believe the whiny baby hype they were slewing at us in Sept. & October. Even though the points are imperfect, there are some great gains and perhaps gains that were not pre-conceived. When the studio heads come into the room, you know it’s on. You don’t have a lot of time to play with. We knew it too. That’s how it works and I’m sorry that the terms weren’t better but I do not believe they would have gotten better had we continued. And if we continue I can guarantee a few things: the ones who are complaining right now (at least the majority) will not come out and picket on a regular basis even though it’s their vote that will put us back out of work, our own union will turn against each other much more so now, we will be villified in the press and the public will turn on us (think of U.S. & 9/11, 1 year later), and whatever we gain, it will take 20 years to recover so it will hurt us no matter.
Our gains are pretty huge. They did not believe we could do what we did. We shut this town down. We shut down the Golden Globes and we won the hearts and minds of not only this town but I think this nation.
You really want to shut down the Oscars and strike another 1 to 6 months? Do you know how villified we would become? And for what? A shorter window? We can win that in the future. Ye have little faith.
But why could we win it?
Our PR campaign that we WON during this strike will be essential to winning gains in three years. Now we don’t look like fat cat brats but solid, smart and reasonable human beings who can take on the mother corp. and win. Maybe you don’t see it as winning but many do. We do not look like idiots and this isn’t the DVD’s all over again. We are on the map.
I get it. This is an imperfect contract. The window blows. The handshake blows. Please don’t misunderstand. But I also get there’s just so long people will deal and then they won’t deal anymore. That just doesn’t pertain to Nick Counter, Bob Igor, Peter Chernin, that means our own community, this town, or brothers and sisters in arms and this country.
And for those of you who would like to continue the strike, let me say this, then you vote how you like but then you get your ass out on that sidewalk and hold up that sign EVERY FREAKING DAY. Don’t hide on Nikki’s site. F’in doing something.
Whine, whine, whine. Having grown up in the deep south, where the work options were agriculture and the oil field (in a right-to-work state), I’m always grateful when I clock in at my job as one of the higher paid I.A.T.S.E. craftsman. When I read the posts from those of you who are having this “horrible deal shoved down your throats,” I can only come to the conclusion that you’ve never had to do any real work in your life, and all I can only picture a group of spoiled children who’ve come to expect a ridiculous sense of entitlement.
My conclusion is that anyone who supported the strike should kiss the feet of a showrunner because, had they not walked, the picket line would have been very fluid and this strike would have gone nowhere.
BTW, given what is sure to be citywide lack of support for any more strikes and SAGs complete failure to pull off it’s last strike in 2000 (the AFL-CIO bailed them out of that one), it’s doubtful that we’ll see another strike anytime soon. Besides, even if a strike happens, no one is more willing to cross a picket line than an actor who hasn’t worked in a while.
Still in shock, you are 100% right. I’m getting old, I don’t really give a shit, I did this for the next generation as others long ago did it for mine. But if this is what we end up with…fuggit. It’s like if Huckabee gets elected preznit. I’m outta here. It’s your world, kids…you take care of it!
Just like the writer who posts under the name “Still in Shock” (see his/her very smart comments above, posted at 12:30 pm), I came home from last night’s Shrine meeting feeling deeply sad that this guild seems poised to ratify a truly terrible deal. All day today I’ve been trying to put my thoughts in writing, but I’ve been intimidated by the bile of the people on this blog who equate opposition to this deal with career failure. No doubt motivated by their own professional insecurities, they villify critics of this deal as unemployed poseurs with nothing better to do than strike. It’s true, I’m not one of this industry’s leading lights. But I’m a TV writer/producer who works continuously and whose income, from WGA-covered work, is now substantial after many years of plying my craft and paying my dues. This strike has hurt me substantially; returning to work on Wednesday would benefit me enormously in the short run. In the SHORT RUN! In the longer run, I and all of you will be finacially devastated by this deal.
I can’t say it any better than “Still in Shock” did. Please scroll back and read his/her 12:30 pm comment. Let me just add this: As if there weren’t enough solid reasons to reject this deal, there is also the argument that even if this deal were to pass, it’s vitally important that it do so narrowly, to preserve the leverage of future WGA leaders (who I pray will better know exactly how leverage should be used). So just to keep it close, if for no other reason, vote NO.
***Everybody*** read and hopefully get the message: More than likely, in the next few days we all go back to work. There WILL be bad feelings between the writers and a lot of the rest of us. However, the work will go on and we all need to work together. The big thing is, everyone needs to be patient. This all starts with a bang, but there’s going to be a lot of catch up work. Patience is THE key, and frankly, that patience needs to come from the writers. Like it or not, fair or not, the writers are taking the blame for all of this. So when you come back, along with the rest of us, chill out, and give things a chance to get back to normal. I do work in this industry, I am not a “schill” for my studio, and I do know for a fact that before all of this, a very large portion of us thought little of the writer attitude to begin with, let’s have cooler heads prevail and not make things worse.
Hello Greg,
You wrote:
“And to the guy who’s trying to say internet is not reuse because most people haven’t seen the content yet, then the same argument can be made for repeats. So if most people that end up watching the repeat watch it because they didn’t catch it on its first run, should the writer get no residuals for that too?”
No one is saying that there wont’ be re-use on the Internet. That’s what all the viewing AFTER the Window will be.
I am saying that the deal (which ties the Window time period to the initial broadcast to the show) is more like a parallel broadcast than a re-use.
So, why so many days. Because that the reality of how people watch programming now. They don’t watch it at 8:30 on Thursday night. They watch it when they want to watch it. That’s one of the reasons ad revenues are down — the Nielson has provided proof in the numbers that some people aren’t watching ads during carefully timed campaigns, but days, if not weeks later. And time-shifting of programming will only continue.
So, if we assume that the distributors should get the ad revenues from the initial broadcast (which IS the model we’ve had for years) and assume that the viewers will get around to watching it when they damned well please (which is where we’re going) we’re going to offer up an extended window (not just the first 24 hours or 8:30 on Thursday night.)
After that it becomes, well, like a repeat — but not really, because, after all, it’ll just stay there, waiting to be viewed.
Some people have suggested all sorts of thieving on the parts of the distributor once the 17 day Window is over. Why would they do that? Simply to screw us over? It would sheer idiocy. First, they’d lose the 98% of the gross they’d get from the ad (once the third year of the deal kicks in.) Second, they do it at their peril. The record industry fell apart because it failed to meet the desires of how the consumer wanted to buy their music — so piracy took off. If in three years a network starts pulling content off their website so they can “save” it for DVD packages, I can tell you what will happen: People will start pirating the shows in great numbers because they want to watch it when they want to watch it. They’re not going to wait for the DVD release. That’s where we’re headed.
So, yes. People get residuals when shows are re-aired in re-runs. And a similar way, after the initial Window closes, writers will receive residuals as the content continues to be watched.
Will it be the lion’s share of the viewing? No. It’s not set up that way for the initial distribution of TV or Film, so I’m not sure why — in a medium that will be THE medium of initial distribution in a decade — we’d assume we’re allowed to say to the distributors, “Okay, this is the Internet, we get first cut off the initial distribution.” I mean, it’d be sweet.
But the media companies hang onto the initial gross of TV and Film distribution because they already paid us for the content when we made it. The Internet is — and will become more and more — a source “release” of initial content. And in the model where they paid us for the content when we made it and get to earn back the full gross upon initial release for TV and Film, so to for the Internet.
And then, because the Internet is perpetual, it will become a residual stream for us when the Window closes. It’s a model that respects the changing technology and the habits of the consumers — which is really what’s driving all this.
The Internet is not an post-release distribution like DVDs or re-runs. It is something new: it will carry initial releases AND the equivalent of re-runs ALL THE TIME. In this it is something completely new.
The Window model — along with the percentage of the distributor gross after the Window closes — though not perfect (and nothing is) is a stab at finding a way to apply the models we’ve had in town for decades to a new distribution technology.
Christopher
Wow. I used to side vehemently with WGA
But seeing how this denouement was bungled, and how vitriolic you all are to anyone who dares to criticize and point out the truth, I’m becoming more respectful of the AMPTP. At least they’re effective and don’t pretend to be anything but what they are.
The Bad Guys forced the strike. The Bad Guys decided when it was over. The Bad Guys won.
Having said that, I think we have no choice but to accept the deal.
unfortunately this very flawed contract will pass. But I’m going to go out there and vote against it anyway.
It’s a damn shame.
still in shock,
i agree with you. three months of striking and at the moment of greatest possible leverage, we blink/choke/back out of fear and get exactly what the congloms were willing to offer us. cmon, its a DGA plus a b.s. capped 2% distrib gross (re: flat rate). That’s all we got. 3 months.
The congloms ARE high-fiving themselves right now because i think for a moment they really were impressed with the WGA resolve. they prob did think they’d have to make a little less by giving us a little more. but im sure to their surprise and glee, they gave us a bit and we CHOMPED on it. we didn’t ask for more. we were GRATEFUL that the big bad congloms recognized our efforts with that same capped distrib’s gross. But you know what? All the striking and shutting down the town WAS NOT THE GOAL. getting a fair, percentage base (not unlimited flat fee for reuse) of distrib’s gross was. and voting yes for anything less than that renders all efforts meaningless.
right now the WGA has the power. do not be afraid to use it to get a better deal. the fear of actually using power is the difference between the WGA and AMPTP.
Wow — That was a retarded political move by Verrone and the Board. Hmm, seems the more prudent strategy was to have the Showrunners return to work doing producing duties on the QT instead of announcing this to the membership as a “silencing” gesture to the dissenters and naysayers for the strike uplift vote in the next 48 hours. Did someone make a promise they are scared they can’t keep?
This announcement of the Showrunners returning to work before a vote is taken by the membership to lift the strike essentially looks like a lap-dog yapping for the AMPTP position.
Granted most of the membership is stoked to get back to work. I agree with the reasons for people wanting to go back to work to save their shows and retain their positions with their current contract, but making this announcement undercuts the impression that WGA is running the show. It undercuts the impression that WGA was allowing the membership to helm the ship. This announcement makes it look like the AMPTP is back in charge with WGA leadership taking orders as always. Aye-aye, sir. Back on board. You want me to toss over the nasayers? Done. Can I get back that Favored Nations Clause, sir?
I think I speak for a lot of TV writers when I say that the internet streaming is a lot less than I hoped for. It is ludicrous to think that the AMPTP will just roll over and give us more the next time our contract expires – in fact, we can probably expect more rollbacks like always. The fight stops here – what we vote for is what we get – for a very long time.
But, like most writers, I’m also dying to get back to work. The thought of setting another foot on the picket line is nauseating. But this is why the AMPTP has ran circles around us – they know that we don’t have the fight in us. We’ll tire out easily, be ready to get back to work, buckle under the criticism and set a precedent for the future where writers are paid a portion of the current rates for their work.
But I’ll remain an optimist. The entertainment industry is shifting right now and I hope that as TV goes digital and DVDs become antiquated the studios will have less power and control over content distribution. If this is the beginning of the end for the WGA (some of the provisions prevent new internet writers from going union) then hopefully this will also be the beginning of the end for the studios. The day of the new hyphenate Writer-Entrepreneur may be here!
I have huge reservations about this deal, but am nonetheless relieved that the strike appears to be over, and everyone can go back to work. Like 99 percent of us, money was starting to be an issue for me, and if this is the best we can get, well… so be it.
I’m curious, though, about one thing. Having read most of the posts on here for the past couple of weeks, I showed up at the Shrine last night ready to see a spirited debate. Instead, it was like a Ronald Reagan state-of-the-union address, with every point or introduction punctuated with cheers and mild-to-effusive applause. Where were all the dissenters who post here? Where was the piss and vinegar? The incessant bitching? The threats? The vitriol?
Clearly, there’s been a silent minority posting here.
Best of luck to everybody returning to work Wednesday.
And still the 40,000 plus people put out of work because of this strike are hurting. NO one in the WGA with their “historic” settlement dares to mention what they have done to all of these people. The media should show exactly what the greed of this strike has done. Bitter, angry you bet. Someone should doll out their 2% to all those who lost homes medical benefits and who make thousands and thousands less than they do. This was not a labor struggle in any sense of the word. This was a fight between the rich and the richer. How dare they try and make this seems so grand..oh yeah they are writers. Good at spinning a tale but not telling the truth.
Lots of good points made in both directions here on the board. The deal makes progress, it ain’t great, but hey we can always improve on it later, right?
Here’s what I think everyone should be thinking about -
MFN status was yanked at the last minute. That was a tactic. To get a bit of momentum going toward ending the strike and pull this seemingly minor point. But it’s not a minor point – not by a long shot.
Losing MFN will leave this deal in place for WGA for the forseeable future. AAMPTP wouldn’t have pulled it if they didn’t already know for sure they are going to be sweetening the pot for SAG, you can bet on it.
So, SAG negotiates – AAMPT gives them more – we don’t get the bennies. And on top of that, AAMPTP gives SAG enough that they are going to be more or less happy for a number of years – guess what, no other union will support for WGA in three years, both DGA and SAG will have gotten the better deal. They’ll be happy enough, they they won’t be willing to go on strike, we won’t go on strike for lack of clear support.
With FNS this is a passable deal, without it it could very well be a disaster. It could leave WGA alone with a lesser deal than the other guilds for years to come.
I’m not saying which way to vote, but I’m pretty sure this is how this deal will play out. And I’ll bet AAMPTP went through this exact thought process before they pulled MFN.
It seems to me that without MFN the WGA is leaving itself open to a very long and painful screwing.
Food for though. I hope I’m wrong, but every member needs to consider this dynamic.
Was Gavin Polone right? You decide?
I’m no John Ridley fan but why is he different from Stewart and Colbert? They will both receive whatever rewards there are from this strike even though they went back to work when others stayed out. Don’t give me the crap about they were forced or they did it to save jobs – lots of people with less financial security went out, lots of people put their jobs on the line. Stewart and Colbert are no better than Leno, Ridley and even Carson Daly (if ever there was a person who could use the excuse that his job was on the line, it is CD). If we go back to adoring JS and SC then we are selling our spines for a few laughs.
we voted for this strike for all the right reasons. now we are being forced to vote for this deal for all the wrong reasons. the deal is bad, our leadership is weak and we’ve been fucked in all regards.
shame on us.
“dennis” – we’re curious who you are because every single comment is so right on and well said.
Can someone please explain what is good about this deal besides getting showrunners back to work?
I understand the importance of getting back to work and appreciate that many have suffered. I sincerely do
But suffered for what?
A “foot hold” with New Media jurisdiction? A foothold. I remember the Negs trumpeting a shared percentage of day 1 income. All I see are caps so I have to ask, gained a foothold of exactly what?
And how difficult will it be to improve on this?
What benefits do the Feature Writers enjoy? They also went on strike, sacrificed, picketed. I don’t see much of any gain… oh yeah DVD increases, wasn’t that a bone of contention for the last, say 15 years?
Didn’t Patrick remove it to get a NM offer back in Nov and when the Strike was called, promised it was a one time offer? What happened Pat?
So, correct me if I’m wrong, no gains on DVDs, right? And NO protection if SAG cuts a better deal on DVDs?
Why is there a sudden vote to lift the strike when Chernin reneged on NM MFN? Can someone answer that? Where is that language in the contract guys?
Is Chernin laughing because he still has it in his hip pocket? Why couldn’t that be addressed BEFORE voting to lift the strike? Will it be in the contract language before the ratification vote? Guys? Hello?
Why is there NO MFN with SAG on the other critical issues if they cut a better deal? WGA had leverage with SAG there, so there’s none now? Gone?
I don’t know, seriously. I think WGA got played here and played like a harp. This deal looks awfully close to the DGA deal instead of a breakthrough WGA/SAG deal which could have set the bar for future residuals.
I’m not 100% sure this may have been not that far off from the AMPTPs initial offer they planned back in November and sold off as something different. After all their deal with DGA went mightly quickly… yes, jurisdictiona and distributors gross were important gains but they seem to be rollbacks with caps.
I guess I just don’t know. Maybe someone can enlighten me…
From Oneofthecaptains — February 10, 2008 @ 1:34 pm:
“We won something in this strike that I don’t think gets enough credit – the respect of this town and nation.”
REALITY CHECK: The news that the strike is over is surprising to the public. Some people thought it was over when late night returned. Many more thought it was over when new series began. We’re the same douchebag “union” that we were in 1988. The god-like visions that you leadership jerks have of yourselves is nauseating.
“At the critical juncture we arrived at, we were at risk of losing all of that and severely fracturing a relatively unified guild that hasn’t been unified in God knows how long.”
Yes, I read the talking points sheet that you were given as well. You can stop now. The strike is over.
“Our PR campaign that we WON during this strike will be essential to winning gains in three years. We do not look like idiots and this isn’t the DVD’s all over again.”
I think you’re right on the PR campaign. The horror writers exorcism was a fantastic success and showed the conglomerates and the public that we were serious professionals. No one can possibly mock this union after that. The pencil collecting effort probably resulted in reducing the promotional window for new media from 18 to 17 days. The “interim agreements” likely resulted in raising the fixed rate residual amounts for new media to an awesome $1200 per year from an abysmal $1199.
But – SERIOUSLY – it is DVDs (more correctly stated as home video since the same thing applied to VHS as it does to DVD as it does to Blu-ray as it will to whatever) all over again, because you are supporting the SAME !?@#%&* RATE YOU GOT IN 1988.
“And for those of you who would like to continue the strike, let me say this, then you vote how you like but then you get your ass out on that sidewalk and hold up that sign EVERY FREAKING DAY.”
I honestly agree with you on this. This deal blows, but a majority of the guild members want the strike to be over. I think it is smart that Verrone is calling for a vote on ending the strike in addition to a vote on approving the deal, because those of us who are unhappy with the deal could claim that once the board ended the strike, there was no choice but to accept the deal because voting against it would mean working under the current contract and continuing to negotiate a new one WITHOUT A STRIKE.
So I’m voting to end the strike. I’m voting for the deal afterwards.
But I’m NEVER voting for another !?@#%&* strike.
I’m going to tolerate your false victory claims and smile vacantly at you when you make them for the next few weeks, but don’t talk about gaining the respect of the world and other B.S. nonsense. Don’t talk about how !?@#%&* great you are when the same home video rate paid for the last 20 years is the same 20 more years from now.
You had your go**amn strike. Enjoy your false victory, because if one thing has become a unified opinion in this guild, it’s that you’re not getting another !?@#%&* strike until enough of us have died and the rest of us have forgotten the failures of the last three.
So congratulations, leadership groupies of 2008. Spin away.
And good luck with your strike, WGA leadership of 2028.
I look forward to working with you, jlevy.
I watched Michael Moore on CNN. I never heard him say this was a “big win.”
Residuals are gone forever. Face it, live with it. We got sold down the river, then they asked us to pay the tolls. Take 250 million dollars in residuals now collected by the Guild. Multiply by 6 percent. Within a couple of years the WGA pension fund gets 15 million dollars less a year. Take the same 250 million dollars. Multiply by 8 and a half percent. Within a couple of years the WGA healh fund gets 21 million less a year.
Kiss off health care. If you believe in God, ask Him to make sure your family stays healthy.
Do you plan to retire one day? Kiss off your pension.
Sometimes you get screwed and don’t know it until much later. The great thing about getting royally screwed this way is we know about it. We can see it happen. Three years from now when we still get nothing for any reuse of what we wrote, we can look back and say, right, solidarity, we’re all in this together.
The people we trusted with our lives should be ashamed.
I work for a major studio.
Now that this all but done, let me say you writers got hosed. You’ll never have leverage again.
Not forcing the cancellation or postponement of the Oscars was the dumbest thing ever.
“Congrats”?
I wish I could I say I was stunned that the WGA is sending the showrunners back before the vote, but I am not.
It was apparent at the NYC meeting yesterday that the board initially was looking for love and props and congratulating everyone for their labors and when the suggestion of voting before we stop striking first came up from the membership, you could see the look on their faces change to annoyed.
Terry George and Bob Schneider both looked like veins were going to pop from their heads when the suggestion of people questioning this deal came up.
They really didn’t want to hear us bitch about this deal. They want it over with.
I love that we have the 48 hour vote, but I also think the showrunners going back in tomorrow is a big middle finger to everyone who was out on the lines.
It pretty much tells you this deal was agreed to no matter what happened this weekend. The AMPTP expected people at work on Monday. I think the showrunners coming back early was the final compromise they were willing to give.
From all accounts there 3000 members at the Shrine and 500 in NYC. 3500 out of 12000 is not a majority, so I hope this move doesn’t piss off enough people to swing the strike vote the other way. That will essentially divide this union if the vote somehow turned up to keep striking.
From my perspective, they have the votes they need to end the strike and ratify this thing so they have nothing to worry about.
I just think it’s a bit arrogant to send some people back to work before the strike has even been lifted. I felt that about the interim agreement people as well. It’s just how I feel.
I saw someone post that they think Amy Sherman Palladino might be a WGA president down the road.
I hope that comes to pass. Just from seeing her talk at the meeting in NYC yesterday, I liked her. She’s been out on strike and has lost (and will lose due to some terms of this deal) just as much as anyone, and yet she still had fight in her and looked more than ready to keep battling.
I wish I could say that about the rest of the membership, but most of them in the room looked hungry to go back to work no matter what they proposed.
I think the negotiating committee did a fair job and should be congratulated, but I also think they decided to punt instead of go for a first down that might have won us all a championship.
All we got from this deal, was a fresh set of downs in 3 years with a lot of people who will be weary of the potential of striking again.
I’m still upset that I was told the DVD rates and the reality and animation inclusion were reasons I was walking on the line. We got NOTHING in those 2 areas. NOTHING. No one seems to be as bothered by this as me. I feel like I was conned a bit and I don’t know why we couldn’t get some kind of gain, even an incremental one, in DVD.
They kept throwing Itunes up to us in the meeting as a gain and it it one, but people still buy DVD’s and will for the 3 years of this contract.
I still don’t understand why anyone is thrilled about these terms, except they just wanted to go back to their jobs.
QUOTE Having been at the meeting last night and seeing/hearing David Young for the first time, I now know why Nick Counter et al. despised him so much.
He’s articulate, intelligent, tireless, charming, handsome,honest, and totally knows his shit. END QUOTE
if you were at the meeting you’ll also have heard Young say casually that he was expecting them to fold in Dec and was surprised that they didn’t and were willing to blow the season off…in other words his entire plan to strike in the ‘tactical window’ he spoke about in the info meetings blew up in his face weeks into the stoppage he forced us into, leading to the debacle that fizzled out last night…this guy is a menace and the sooner he’s back organizing trash collectors the better…
So is that fabled group of showrunners who threatened to go fi-core, real? Is that how this happened? If it’s a real thing and their names ever get out, you can thank them for sudden deflating of our strike.
It’s just got so weird, so abruptly. Almost as if Patric woke up with a bloody horse’s head in his bed – something happened. That we don’t know about. Yet.
I really want things back to normal, but, man, we won nothing. This is a sad, sad, joke of a strike. We won respect? Big deal. Does respect pay me everytime a Studio makes money off of my films? I initially thought there were a few good things in this deal, but, the more i digested it, the more I threw it up. I feel betrayed. I’m shocked the leaders think this is a good deal. They fell for all the studios tactics. They had leverage but really blew it. They should have fought all the way up to the Oscars. Pathetic. There is nothing in this contract that will make anyone anymore money. 1600 for a years work? Doing what? A paper route? The caps are rollbacks. The windows are rollbacks. You think you’re going to get these removed in the future? You will have to strike for a year to get this changed next time. Sad. I’m going to just have to make a ton of cash so I never have to rely on this deal. A list here i come.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but the showrunners going back to work is kind of outside WGA jurisdiction anyway. I mean, they could have continued to perform their producing duties during the strike without technically scabbing (of course, they would have run out of scripts to produce pretty quick). But to their credit, they walked out on masse. (Remember those breach letters?_ But the point is, their resuming their producing duties prior to the strike officially being lifted doesn’t seem so horrible. I guess it might be nice if they didn’t *write* anything until Wednesday.
For those who think that the WGA threw all their leverage away on this deal, maybe they did, but that leverage was going to leave if there wasn’t an Oscar ceremony and the WGA rejected a good deal. The point is that the moguls saw what happened with the Golden Globes and, to a lesser extent, the People’s Choice Awards. In essence, the guild held a gun to the head of Oscar and won gains in new media that would have never been possible without a strike or threats to Oscar. For those of you looking for something to complain about, do a search for any eBay boards and start barking about how bad the fees have gotten there.
As for the rest of you writers, if you are unemployed, put together a production, hire a director, do casting, and post it to you tube or Google when done. Google is going to have to listen to a contract that they likely never signed. Besides that $15,000 per minute threshold is for people that aren’t in the guild, but that threshold can be passed easily.
Nikki, Great Job on strike coverage. I know that you aren’t an AMPTP shill, but you just wanted a settlement. Now that there is a settlement, good luck with your Oscar coverage and then take a good long rest and come back in time for upfronts/SAG negotiations.
You did a good job here, but now is time to close the comments because there is really no place to go regarding the news. If you want, comments can be open for upfront coverage. It has been fun at this site. As much as I am sad to see these comments go, but, at the same time, congrats WGA on your new deal and leverage you gained in 2011.
It was a huge victory all right — for the studios.
Nick Counter is laughing his fat ass off. He did his job and he won. For the writers it was a complete waste of three months and a definitive loss. Making it worse is the disgusting “win spin” that Verrone and Co. are putting on this deal.
They should be voted out of power. They did a lousy job getting everyone psyched up for a strike that would result in “real gains” only to deliver a lousy deal. They never demanded real profits they asked for minimum and got just that the bare minimum.
I wonder if a real strike can ever be waged and won in this industry. My guess is that it can’t be and the moguls know this. The only way to make real money is to do your own deals based on past success and future anticipated success. If you can do that you don’t have to worry about these minimums.
The amounts of money that working writers lost these last three months will never be remade not at the going rates in this new contract. Again a total waste of time and energy. I feel bad for everyone who picketed based on the false hopes Verrone and Co. raised in them.
When your operating philosophy is “When you profit, we profit” and you then allow price-per-minute thresholds regarding a technology of which no one can predict the end result and definitions of a “professional writer” that are based on credits in the old technology, you’re getting away from the underlying notion of “when you profit, we profit.” This deal is like a chess player who makes a move that threatens the other guy’s piece without pondering what the other player is going to do in response. The companies can and will change the way they do business, the way they define a “budget” and manipulate the use of things like the 17/24-day “windows.” We made a bad deal in cable because no one looked five moves ahead and realized that the companies could sell content to their self-owned cable operations for a dollar and rerun the shit out of them practically for free. Everyone agrees today that the “window” of free streaming is hinky…so why are we signing on to it? We’ve come this far, we have them far more on the ropes than they’re ever going to admit…and we’re backing down.
This doesn’t affect me, I’m old and gray and my bones are knackered (I’m still writing and being paid for it, but not for much longer, I fear). It’s the youngsters who ought to be looking at this, realizing that the companies are going to exploit every weakness in the deal to the max, and screaming for those weaknesses to be strengthened now because they will not have any hope of being strengthened ever again.
The DVD market will have more legs BEFORE new media. Most folks aren’t using either format of hi def dvds and once that takes off the libraries will have a resurgence in sales. The WGA, since before the strike, had serious blinders on and thus could not see the forest for the trees. Good job – hope it was worth almost destroying my savings and career. What really did you win in new media besides crumbs and loopholes? Too funny.
What a glorious time it is to be a writer in Hollywood.
I was at the Shrine on Saturday and felt surrounded by giddy High School nerd types – myself included – we were giddy because after all our sole walking in circles on the picket line we actually started to enjoy each others company – There were no color lines or gender gaps – we were all WRITERS and united after all.
I was there at the Shrine with my friend Antwone Fisher, truly a great human being and a fantastic writer as we clapped together and gave ovations time after time out of respect for our leadership even though we couldn’t hear half of what they were saying.
Was it a great deal? Who knew?
That wasn’t the point – the real point was we stood together – toe to toe and believed in something bigger than ourselves; “In the beginning there was the WORD, and it was GOD…”
We believed in each other for the first time in Hollywood history – we writers we’re not concerned about re-writing our fellow writer, or getting a back 9 pickup after bumping another writer’s show into midseason Abyss – but it was about supporting the creative spark of unity.
The point of it being the best deal we could get it certain isn’t. The hardliners still refusing to vote “yes” for this deal is not really the point either – the point is that we came together and gained ground over the new frontier of the internet.
Please note that during the strike I view every episode of LOST for the very first time as well as 30 Rock (with commercials) it made me truly understand the gains we were fighting for and won. I was proud to be a part of a union with creative visionaries who created LOST & 30 Rock at the forefront of ABC.com or NBC.com delivery systems.
17, 24 days, distributor gross, $1200, $600 these numbers and terms may not seem like much but they are in the larger scheme of things. It’s only the minimum – please remember that – it is a starting point – when we become the big A-List writer or show runner we can get our reps to improve upon this deal by leaps and bounds.
If you see a hardliner on the street before the Tuesday night vote at the WGA Theater or the 10 to 12 day contract voting period please give them a huge hug and let them know that we respect and could not have achieved anything without their passion and conviction. Tell them if they don’t push you away and sock you in the eye that you love them but wouldn’t it be wonderful to write again – Pencils UP, again…write that great screenplay or a new TV series that actually bring back viewers to television by record numbers like the 91 million people who watched the Super Bowl on Fox this year.
What a joyous time for endless possibilities.
I’ll see you on the lot soon. I hope. I’ll even spring for a cup of coffee.
I’m Chris Jackson and I approve of this message.
“We won something in this strike that I don’t think gets enough credit – the respect of this town and nation.”
Are you sh**ing me???? Respect? Why the hell would anyone respect you, you friggin’ idiots!
Let’s go over this: What was the studios gameplan at the very start of the strike, which everyone seemed to know ahead of time?
Don’t negotiate with the writers. In fact insult them and brag about how the studios have become MORE profitable since the break. Then negotiate with the DGA so the writers look bad. Keep the strike going long enough to force mejure writers out of studio contract, thus causing them to lose even more money. Then cut a deal, which will be the same basic deal as the DGA, early enough to give time to negotiate with SAG.
So the WGA basically has done everything the studios have wanted them to do.
WOW — I have so much respect for the WGA!
Did you do anything that hurt the studios, anything they didn’t expect, anything that would make them not want to deal with a strike in the future? No. In fact you help them clear out clutter and save costs during the holidays.
And let’s go over a list of things the writers wanted (and feel free to correct me if I’m wrong):
dvd residual — every says the 4 cents sucks. Did you get it changed? Nope. Not a penny. And that’s after the last 20 years have seen dvd’s become over a 16 BILLION dollar business. Still not a penny more. In fact, you aren’t even getting cost of inflation. By the end of this contract that 4 cents will be worth even LESS.
Did you even get a favored nation clause so that if SAG does get a better dvd rate you will get it too? Nope not even that. And why would the studios pull that awya, now when they are saying they want to settle and save blah blah bla> Because they are still running their initial gameplan and it’s working. Why not push a little more.
Reality/animation — this is important because it would put that much more pressure on the studios in three years (when you begin to realize how bad this contract sucks). If the strike shut down AMERICAN IDOL, DANCING WITH THE STARS, and all the other reality crap that studios were planning to use as filler than they might actually have to deal with the guild. Did you get that? Nope.
You did get 2%/distributor points — but with a cap. Isn’t that backwards???? The idea of residuals should be encouraging you to make more popular programs, programs that will sell more, be watched more. What writers should want it a MINIMUM and then 2% if it goes over a certain threshold. You got the opposite, ie exactly what is best for the studios.
Can someone explain how the hell this is a good deal at all? How this is a victory????
It’s the DGA — which everyone said was horrible, — warmed over.
You did exactly that the studios wanted you to do, and if you don’t think you got screwed you’re an idiot.
Go back to the beginning of the strike and look at what you waned. No, you’re not going to get everything — although more than a few studios were happy to give it to you — but you got almost NOTHING and the studios got EVERYTHING they wanted, including dumping a bunch of contracts losing your own members millions.
I’ve been supporting the writers all along, but if this is really all they wanted, if this is all the strike was about, then you guys are idiots.
I hate to Monday morning quarterback this thing, and I hate to side with the pessimists. But yeah, I’m disappointed by the endgame. Because it looks to me the only real “win” here is returning to work. Which the Guild could have done at any time, without even striking. The items that the AMPTP unilaterally demanded be taken off the table, were indeed taken off the table. The free internet window, the flat fee thereafter, still there. DVD rate, unchanged. The Oscars, proceeding on schedule. TV seasons, continuing. 2009 tentpoles, on track.
I’d like to think that the strike at least proved the Guild’s willingness to stand up and defend itself to the detriment of the moguls. To some extent I think it did. But the end of the strike also more or less proved that the AMPTP can end a strike whenever they need to, without conceding anything valuable. Believe me, between now and 2010 they’ll figure out how to do that more quickly next time, and give up even less.
And as for the rates and minimums that were agreed to at the last minute — well, the leadership itself reminded everyone that whatever they agreed to now was the best they’d ever get, and immediately thereafter the AMPTP would start trying to chip away at it. So that’s what’s going to happen. In a few years we’ll hear that the paltry internet residual rates are unsustainable and need to be dialed down to keep the Internet profitable, even though it will be obvious to everyone and their mother that the studios are making buckets.
So yeah, I do hope it fails. The writers deserve better than this. The writers have more power than this. If they’ve really “won the respect” of the town, then it’s time to spend that political capital and stand up and make an argument.
Well, that was a disappointing meeting last night. I felt like I was in church or at a pep rally, not a serious meeting to discuss our future.
Many of us sat there quietly, stunned at the fools cheering on the leaders for making a crap deal.
Cable writers, late night writers, soap writers, daytime talk writers – all hosed. Congratulations to network prime time writers, you just made more money off of the back of the less fortunate. And this guild will suffer because of it.
I will never vote for a strike or walk the lines with you again. Enjoy your pittance.
Reading these posts the last few days, one would think that a large proportion of the WGA was vehemently against the deal.
So that is what I expected when I went to the NYC meeting. I (and many others) were surprised by how non-contentious and civil it was.
Not everyone loved the deal. A few people were fairly upset with what was in it. There was some concern over reality and animation being tossed aside as well. And about half of the room wanted to have time to digest the deal before going back (a wise idea in my opinion).
But overall, the feeling was acceptance. And judging from the conversations at the awards afterwards, it seemed like most writers left there feeling fairly positive.
But then I come back on here today, and there is a huge percentage of doom and gloom posts. Maybe most of those people are on the West Coast. Or maybe it’s just a small vocal group. I guess we’ll see Tuesday.
PS- Nikki, you do know “you” were onstage at the WGAe Awards Saturday night, right? (Rachel Dratch in a bathrobe with a lot of kleenex.)
Hey writers: NEWS FLASH!
IT’S NOT TOO LATE! YOU’RE ALL STARTING TO REALIZE YOU WERE SOLD DOWN THE RIVER. YES, THE CONTRACT STINKS TO HIGH HEAVEN. YES, YOU WERE STUPID. YES, YOUR GUTLESS LEADERSHIP SOLD YOU OUT. YES, YOU WASTED 3 WHOLE MONTHS STRIKING FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING OTHER THAN PROVING YET AGAIN THAT YOU’RE STILL BITCHES WHO WANT NOTHING MORE THAN TO GET SLAPPED.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? IT AIN’T TOO LATE. IT STILL AIN’T TOO LATE. HAVE SOME GUTS. FOR CHRIST’S SAKE, HAVE SOME PRIDE! PRIDE, REMEMBER THAT WORD??
JUST VOTE NO. N-O. NO.
THERE’S 12,000 MEMBERS, A WHOLE LOT OF VOTES. (ALTHOUGH I SERIOUSLY WONDER IF THE LEADERSHIP WOULD PULL A BUSH ON COUNTING THEM RIGHT) BARRING THAT, YOU STILL – EVEN NOW – HAVE THE POWER. VOTE NO.
I’m a guildmember who’s worked in tv and film. The single smartest thing I’ve seen written here came from Big City Guy:
“Residuals are gone forever… Kiss off health care… Kiss off your pension.”
He’s 100% right. Not today. But soon enough.
Don’t flatter ourselves: Reality TV is not going away. It’s cheaper, and is closer to the “urgent see-it-now anything-can happen” online experience that is driving eyeballs to the internet. Dramatic programming will continue, but will represent a smaller and smaller share of network programming. And thus, by not making a hard and fast stand on reality and animation – our residuals will shrink, our membership will shrink, our dues will fall off, our power will continue to lessen, and the money pouring into the guild (and underwriting the P&H) will dwindle.
Yes, I’m saying that the guild won’t survive this contract. Eventually, this will kill it.
And do you know where I heard this first?
From Patric Verrone and David Young at one of those lunches last spring. They spent the first 40 minutes explaining that without jurisdiction over more of the network programming, the guild can’t bargain effectively, or ultimately survive.
They made the point that the WGA used to represent 80 to 90% of what went out (as it used to be quaintly described) over the airwaves. And now we’re down to 40%.
Against the tide, I’m going to vote against ratification. I probably won’t be here in 20 years, by choice. But neither will most of the people reading this, nor the guild as you now know it, because of the economics.
This was rammed down our throats to get the Oscars on the air. Enjoy the show. Get used to being a spectator.
These paranoid fantasies must be terribly painful to harbor. If you are one of those writhing at our humiliation and at the millions, if not billion,s left on the table, and at how the studio brass are laughing at us, you really need to examine yourself and where this self-loathing comes from, because it sure as hell doesn’t come from reality.
We have very smart leadership from Verrone on down and for them to believe that every cent was left on the table (unless we wanted to “blow up the town”) ought to be enough for you. These people know the numbers, they know the realities. You don’t. Have some faith in those whom you elected.
If you are angry that we caved and did not blow up the town, then say it and lash out at your real enemies — the huge majority in our Guild who have no stomach for such a fight. But don’t blame the leaders who represent their wishes.
Liked what Amy S-P had to say too but to pretend that she is in the same boat as most of us? I think not. The fact is maybe 70% of us are just getting by and IMHO this is what comes of ten thousand people with different agendas and fates trying to band together and putting ourselves in the hands of unionists who only want our dues money and throw us crumbs in return. What have we gotten but more of same and the antagonism of people like jlevy who now threatens to “blackball” fellow writers if they don’t go along with what he wants? To hear that McCarthyist talk from a fellow writer sends chills and so the suits have got what they wanted all along – suspicion, division, capitulation and enslavement to a lousy deal. And since thats what we had to start off with we now have the additional animus of all the crew and production people who were put out of work for The Cause.
Harold said this above: “I’m going to tolerate your false victory claims and smile vacantly at you when you make them for the next few weeks, but don’t talk about gaining the respect of the world…”
That about nails it.
If it makes anyone feel good, bash the critics of the settlement as out-of-work strike-happy jerks. Sorry, you’re pulling your own chains. Do you actually believe the deal is anything but a fraud? The AMPTP got the one thing they announced they wanted most: the death of residuals. That was what they said they wanted before the strike was called, and they got it in spades. Why did they want it? Because real streaming residuals would have been monstrous. As DVD payments would have been if we hadn’t caved on those.
The studios save a quarter of a billion a year now, but many billions and billions more over the next twenty years. Then figure what they keep on top of that by not paying health and pension on that money. Did you learn to multiply in grade school? No residuals means your Guild benefits will soon be gone with them, since studio payments on residuals are essential to funding your benefit plans. (You don’t think so? Read the next annual report. You get it in the mail every year. After you read it, stay healthy. Unless you want to be bankrupt, don’t let your wife give birth to a less-than-perfect child. Check out what open-heart surgery costs for a newborn.)
All the writers I know had deals and jobs before the strike and have had them for years and years. We voted for the strike because we were stupid. Against our better judgment, we believed the leadership realized they had to go the whole way with SAG.
Now SAG isn’t talking, we settled for nothing, and the negotiating committee knows what they did. They caved. I hear you asking why they caved. If you have to ask, stop reading this blog and get some rest.
We were all in this together. Until we weren’t.
People, please. If we vote this deal down, what are we left with? Are we going to go back out on strike? Do you realize how foolish we’ll look if that happens? The WGA will never be taken seriously again if we do that.
It’s not the best deal in the world, but it’s better than what we had before. And I don’t understand why some of you keep claiming this is the end of residuals. You’re just being inflammatory.
Daylight Robbery!
3 months of walking the line and we got what we probably could’ve got just by renegotiating as we continued to work.
The whole purpose of the Strike was to obtain what we want, not to negotiate for a little.
The more I think about what’s happened here – ie the way this whole “agreement” has been jammed through, the way showrunners are returning to work before an official vote, the way leadership has made a host of absolutely critical decisions before a vote, etc – the more I realize this whole thing stinks to high heaven.
I can’t help but wonder: HAVE LAWS BEEN BROKEN HERE? SHOULD THE NLRB BE CALLED IN TO REVIEW WHAT’S HAPPENED?
What about the WGA’s supposed upcoming vote? DOES ANYBODY ELSE WONDER IF THAT “VOTE” WILL BE ACCURATELY COUNTED?? SHOULD THE NLRB BE CALLED IN TO SUPERVISE THE VOTE COUNTING PROCESS??
Because the way this whole thing has gone down, I’m not at all sure that I trust these people anymore. I can’t help but wonder if they’ve abided by United States and national union laws.
the writers should be embarrassed
those of you who recognize the neg. committee dropped the ball don’t even bother to fight
those who are doormats hungry for 2 cents thrown their way blind themselves to being cheated and angrily denigrate those who point out the obvious
“cable showrunner” and all others who acknowledge writers are being screwed and your negotiators “malpracticed”:
why are you forced to accept it?
VOTE NO
RALLY TOGETHER
DON’T BE LIKE BEATEN CATTLE TO THE SLAUGHTERHOUSE
thanks in advance for burdening us with your bad deal
You really thought the producers were going to give you jurisdiction over reality and animation? They would be complete morons to do so. The same with sympathy striking — what good would it be for them to sign a deal with you now and in a few months or a year you just walk out again because some other guild goes on strike. They would need to be lobotomized to accept that. I know you guys are thinking about the best deal for you, but you also have to put yourself in the other sides position as to really know what is acceptable. If I were in their shoes, I’d never agree to any of those.
You did get screwed on DVDs, plain and simple. Really should it be a DVD formula anyway? Shouldn’t all physical media regardless of whether it’s VCR/dvd/bluray be the same formula? The person who said you should’ve asked for $3/dvd is out of their mind. Why not just ask for $10/dvd if you’re going to do that?
I know he meant it only as a starting bargaining position though.
That being said, if the deal ends up being horrible for your pensions, you can strike in 3 years again. Don’t say no one will be up for it — if the deal really is as shitty as some say, the guild will be spoiling for another strike.
MFN – Either a contract should be good enough to accept or it should not. It should not depend on what another guild gets — that is just greedy. WAAH, someone else doesn’t get the EXACT SAME OR LESS than me! If this deal is not good enough, vote it down. If it is good enough, why should you get extra if another guild negotiates extra for their guild.
SAG isn’t gonna strike. They’ve already BEEN on strike. They’ll probably do some saber rattling to convince the producers they’ll go on strike to get a decent deal. Neither side wants another strike after this. I think the chances of the public supporting another strike right after this one are just about nil as well.
The doomsayers as far as how horrible the internet terms are are just ridiculous — it’s a THREE year contract. You can change the terms after that. If you think the nets are going to make billions in net ads you are kidding yourselves. Net ads get 1/10th the rate or less of what TV gets. The nets will be lucky to make millions in net ads over the next three years, not billions. I’d be surprised if net all net ads tied to wga covered content earned anywhere close to $100 mill over the next 3 years… it will probably be half or less that. The net is not and won’t be the primary form of media delivery for the next 3 years, and until that is the case the ad rates will not be anywhere what TVs are. You got a decent deal as far as that goes for where the market is at for the next 3 years — once it does become the primary medium for distribution of your content, you probably will need to change the terms of the contract.
I have YET to see one writer explain how the initial window for online content is any different than when something is broadcast on a network the first time. You get paid for that when you wrote it and you don’t get residuals on a first broadcast — only on reruns. The first 14-21 days of a show on the net is NOT a rerun, it’s a first run. Until you can say how it’s different, you’re just going to sound like an unreasonable person.
I don’t really have a stake in it either way. I see both sides as essentially greedy, although the writer’s side has definite grievances to be addressed. The producers have legitimate grievance against the demands of the guild as well (covering animation/reality, sympathy striking, etc — that is horrible from a business perspective). As someone else said, most people would love to be in your career position and not working in the demanding job they have that is NOT covered by union benefits. Pensions???? I don’t have any pension!!!! You guys have much better terms ALREADY than most people get EVER. Yeah, the starving writers need the $$/benefits, etc… but you CHOSE to be starving writers. Those who are starving writers will either be good enough to make it to a more elevated status or if unhappy should find another career. It goes without saying that the producers are just flat out greedy, but you also have to remember THAT’S THEIR JOB — to be greedy assholes, just like an agent.
An agents job is to get you the best deal possible… a mogul’s job is to get the best deal possible for his company — how is it any different?
So much hate on both sides. You are both in the same industry, need each other, and whether you want to see it or not very much the flip sides of the same coin. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve seen a lot of posts by really nice people here, but a lot of you are just as big of a-holes as the moguls (mainly the ‘we strike until we get 100% of what we want and anybody who posts a counter opinion is a mogul shill’ people).
Those of you who wanted the best deal possible — your negotiators shouldn’t have gone on strike in November. You should’ve waited until you could’ve gone out with SAG. Now you screwed the pooch for both guilds as far as that goes.
Congrats to those of you happy with the deal. For those not, if it gets approved all I can say is in 3 years you’ll have your chance again. If the deal really is as crappy as you say, I’m sure the membership will be up for a strike again. For those unhappy at having to go on strike for what you ended up getting — hate to say it, but a lot of people here including me told you so.
We’re voting NO.
Amy Sherman-Palladino should be Pres if she’s got the backbone and principles people are speaking of
She’s also a truly gifted writer.
I’ve been reading all the comments. Especially the one from Harold. That’s the name of someone I love so I sincerely can’t handle cursing it out with you.
Leading to probably my biggest fear about all of this — or one of them. I’m a writer. I’ve got plenty of fears. But I cannot support vitriole towards our own. People like me DESPERATELY want to stop the strike. I am very sympathetic to the people out of work. And being on the line every day has made me very sensitive to the many writers who are sacrificing (I know a very selfless writer who has to sell his home. Another who could lose his insurance and his wife is about to have a baby). You find out a lot when you’re on the line because you know, there’s not a hell of a lot to talk about. But anyway, the town has suffered enormously and people I know personally have. And I won’t lie. I want to stop picketing. It’s draining, dirty and monotonous.
So you know what? Maybe I will. If you guys (minus Harold who sees it as pointless) really feel this is a shit deal and want to vote nay and we don’t do this, then so be it. We are in a democratic union. I do support you for having your opinions. And I don’t think it’s worth mentioning but I’m compelled, to say you’ll lose some very good people from frontlines. So those voting no, I hope you are willing to put on my captain’s hat, pick up that sign and get out there.
I actually can’t afford it anymore. But it is a democratic process, I’ve read some important analysis here, and you know, perhaps “cooler” heads could be prevailing and I am personally so fucking exhausted, maybe I cannot see the forest through the trees. So, you know, I am going to vote for this contract but I do want to agree with whomever mentioned the vitriole that we slew at one another is ugly and demoralizing. It takes away from much of what we have gained here. We don’t need to have that. Who knows? Could it all be a part of the conspiracy theory that they gave us a shit deal so it could pit the neg. comm. & board against its own membership with the ultimate goal of permanently dividing and conquering the union? I wouldn’t be surprised.
One more thing. I didn’t know until yesterday about the showrunners. I don’t know how I missed this but when I learned of that, I was really dismayed. Perhaps that was a part of the deal they made during the shake. I don’t know. But that’s made me a lot less pro-KoolAid and more open-minded to this debate and my brothers and sisters who want to vote no.
Anyway, be glad I’m not on the negotiating committee. I’m a softee. And Harold, no more cursing at me. Please, all of you, now that I think of it, I implore my fellow union members, now is not the time for divisiveness – a healthy debate is one thing, turning on each other is quite another. I do believe perhaps now more than ever, this is the real test of our ability to be a union. They expect this behavior from us — in-fighting — name calling — martyristic rants (that was from me). Maybe we can rise above it.
If you all vote no, I may not be able to sacrifice the way I have thus far, but I will not suddenly hate my own union brothers and sisters for it. The old “then they win” thing seems to be appropos. Maybe it goes like this “When we whine and fuck each other over, they win.”
I think it’s just hilarious that the same people who were telling everyone to shut up and listen to their leadership during this fiasco are now the ones still bitching about this deal. Serves you right for following them so blindly. Or maybe it’s that you want the strike to keep going because it gives you something to do and complain about. And obviously I’m not a shill because this deal is done. – wga writer
someone who suggests lifting the strike BEFORE the deal is ratified, isn’t capable of “winning” the strike.
Good work Verrone.
Do you guys see how worthless unions are now?
Maybe this will spur some of you to go out and negotiate your own deals from now on.
Thank GOD the studios were NEVER going to cave on reality and animation. We don’t need even more sheep padding the WGA numbers.
“We’re not doing this for ourselves, we’re doing this for the writers of tomorrow.”
How many times did we all hear that, going back to October? I heard it, and I took it to heart. I’m not a child, either. I was born in second Eisenhower administration, and came fairly late to this writing game. I’m married and have a kid. I don’t own a house. I drive a very used car that doesn’t have a “B” in the name of the manufacturer.
Striking was a sacrifice, since I have a wonderful network writing gig. But I kept hearing how the writers of the past took bullets for us, so now it was our turn. I heard, and I believed.
So the thing to do is to look twenty years down the road, to 2028, to where that next generation of writers will be, because I think that’s the only way to assess whether this deal makes any sense.
In twenty years, reruns could be a thing of the past. In twenty years, that cable box on your TV stand could be a computer, and all its content downloaded. In twenty years, in fact, what we call TV could be treated as “original content for the Internet.”
Meanwhile, twenty years ago, we set a precedent for DVD revenue. That precedent has held right into this contract. Who is bold enough to think that the precedents we set in this deal won’t hold too? Precedents of “imputed value.” Precedents of “windows.” Precedents of scripts for original content for the Internet being what the market will bear, with no minimums. Precedents of no Most Favored Nations clauses set to writing, and not applying to DVD (or its progeny) in any case.
I could weep.
Let’s face it. We’re not going to strike again in 2011. No one would have the stomach for it, considering the contract we’re looking at today after three-and-a-half months. We won’t strike in 2014. And probably not in 2017, either. It’s going to take a long time to convince this union membership that it’s worth the sacrifice. I suspect with good historical reason that the terms of 2008 will take on the same power and weight as the DVD rate of yore. That is, unmoveable.
Those writers-of-tomorrow? We hung ‘em out to dry.
The smart thing for me to do would be to go back to work ASAP, to start padding the bank account and the kids’ college funds. But this isn’t about me. It’s about the writer-of-tomrrow. Which is why I’m willing to go another few months if we have to, when SAG will join forces with us and we’ll truly have some combined clout to get the kind of gains that would have made this all worthwhile.
Vote your conscience. But if you’re truly thinking about the writers of tomorrow, there’s only one way to vote.
Really, Hitler, oops I meant Verrone, you are going with the “huge victory” claim?
Reminds me of some of my favorite posts over the past 4 months:
You’re a shill (for not agreeing with everything the WGA is saying.)
Congress will investigate.
The AMPTP walked away from the tables illegally.
The NLRB will investigate.
Reality and Animation will be a part of this contract.
Scabs!
The moguls lied.
The writers are a bunch of losers and got what they deserved – NOTHING.
Thanks for fucking over everyone else in Hollywood in the process.
A-holes.
Sorry, but I want to call bullshit on all this “respect” nonsense.
Is it going to get you a table at The Grill?
Is it going to stop free rewrites?
Is it going mean that you dictate what goes into a script, not the network?
Is is going to stop idiot notes, because they bow down with respect to the writer?
Does it mean you’re going to get the same respect as a director? When you say “jump” people will ask “how high?”
Does it mean that executives will cower and shake at your power?
Does it mean you’ll be able to dictate what they should put into development?
Does it mean you’ll get final cut on your work?
Does it mean that – at last – you’ll stop being referred to as “schmucks with Underwoods,” because the cast and crew will quake with fear when you walk on the set?
Does it mean that your opinion will carry more weight than a director on a film set, or a casting session, or in an editing bay?
Does this mean that your agents are suddenly going to be bowing down to the WGA building, thinking you’re as important as a director, or star?
Respect? Bullshit. You won the general disparagement of executives, directors, agents, and film crews, who always thought you were a bunch of insecure whiny troublemakers. You had no power before, no respect before, and you’ve got none now.
This only difference is that you went out on strike for three months, and signed a deal that all-but-gave-up residuals, and will end up putting half of you out of work in three years.
Respect? If you want a friend in Hollywood, get a dog. If you want respect, run a studio.
… With all due respect.
This deal is NOT good enough. Period. It may be time to recalculate the Power Showrunners have with WGA.
Remember it was a Showrunner who hosed WGA Members out of a fair DVD Residual in the first place in order to get HIS show back on the air. John Wells, thank you.
For a DVD which sells for $20, Studios take an average 1100 cents. Content Creators/Writers receive 4 cents.
And still do after this deal.
Not worth the 2 billion it cost this Industry and the pain of the BTLs.
Here is how WGA got played. Chernin predicted it last Nov… and he still has NM MFN in his pocket today.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-executives11feb11,0,100109.story
I read an interesting post in UH. I forget who it was but it kind of made sense to me.
Maybe our best option is to
vote YES for lifting the strike
vote NO on the Contract.
This will keep our fingers back on the trigger… and maybe we can get our leverage back to negotiate a fair deal. Address DVDs, Capped Residuals, Cable Writers, MFN with SAG, etc.
The WGA claiming “victory” is a joke. All that has ended is something that never should have started. As the DGA proved. The real victory for the whole town will be when Vernone and Young are tossed out on the street.
I’m voting “no”.
I’ve given it a lot of thought and the only reason I can think of for voting “yes” is because they want me to vote “yes”.
I wouldn’t be voting my conscience.
I know I’ll be in the minority and I know my vote won’t mean a damn thing, but my reasons are simple.
When the strike began I was told DVD residuals and Reality and Animation were big parts of what we were striking for.
Neither of those issues were addressed. They were dropped like hot potatoes just to get the moguls to sit across from us at the table again.
That sucks.
As a feature writer with 2 films in different stages in the studio pipeline, the DVD residual meant a lot to me.
The reality/non fiction writer and animation writer not being allowed to join the guild also meant a lot to me. People who write game shows and non fiction programming are not allowed to join this guild. Why? Because the moguls don’t want them to.
That sucks.
That’s what I thought we were fighting for.
Especially, after all that America’s Next Top Model nonsense from a few years ago.
Those two issues being dropped are huge to me.
When I combine them with this 17/24 day promotional window flat fee nonsense which is really a 17/24 day license to steal for the studios plus us not getting the most favored nations clause in writing plus the guild allowing showrunners to cross a virtual line today….I’m just not thrilled with what we “won” here.
I was against striking. Prior to the strike I was attached to a pitch with an A list actor that now is up in the air because of the strike and because of the fear that SAG is going to strike in a few months.
My career had momentum prior to the strike that appears to have been lost.
Speaking to my agent today I was not thrilled. He basically said, “we’re not sure what the landscape is going to be, but we’ll try to get things revved up again later this week”.
Not exactly what I was hoping to hear. <