I told you this would happen, and now it has: the Alliance for Motion Picture and Television Producers representing the Big Media moguls finally acknowledged today that after 13 days the negotiations with SAG are at a stalemate with only 2 days left go. And, as I predicted, the AMPTP is blaming everything on the Screen Actors Guild. I can't help but admire how faithfully the Hollywood CEOs follow the scripts they write. Especially at a time when the movie studios have put into effect a de facto feature strike. (See my previous, FIRST NEWS ABOUT SAG-AMPTP TALKS)
The organization that speaks for the CEO clique running Hollywood issued a "Negotiations Update" that breaks its silence over the progress, or lack of it, in the talks with SAG:
"The AMPTP has been negotiating with SAG now for 13 days. Last week, we asked AFTRA to delay the start of its negotiations until May 5th so that we could give the SAG talks every opportunity to produce an agreement. Since the SAG negotiations are due to wrap up on Friday, May 2nd, today is a good time to let you know where things stand.
When we requested an extra week for the SAG negotiations, we told you that there were "significant gaps" between the parties. Candidly, we must offer the same assessment of the negotiations today, with just over two days to go. Although both parties have spent considerable time in the negotiating room, we are not yet close to an agreement. This is the case for two fundamental reasons:
First, SAG initially rejected the framework for new media that was established through the DGA, WGA and AFTRA Network Code negotiations. The Producers’ position has been that there is no valid reason to upend the new media framework that has already been accepted by writers, directors, and AFTRA Network Code. Last week, SAG indicated that it would be willing to live within the existing new media framework – but only with more than 70 changes to the framework, some of which would go a long way toward making the framework itself unworkable.
The second reason is this: SAG’s willingness to work with the existing new media framework (albeit with more than 70 changes) was conditioned on AMPTP addressing SAG’s demands in traditional media areas. Unfortunately, these demands – including a doubling of the existing DVD formula and huge increases in compensation and benefits – would result in enormous cost increases that we are not willing to accept. The SAG Basic and TV Agreements are mature labor pacts for mature businesses. In such circumstances employers in other industries typically negotiate reductions and efficiencies to reduce costs. We are not seeking to do this. But we cannot responsibly accept the unprecedented, double-digit increases in DVD residuals and conditions being sought by SAG, or wage hikes that in some cases reach 200%. As a result, we have made little progress in narrowing the significant differences with SAG on these critical traditional media issues.
We still have two days of negotiations remaining with SAG, and we are going to continue to work as hard as we can to find a mutually acceptable resolution. Failing that, we are prepared to begin negotiations with AFTRA on Monday, May 5th. "
See here for the AMPTP's entire negotiations update as well for as the AMPTP's "Setting the Record Straight" document that purports to counter SAG's recent series of 2008 Contract Reports -- #1 discussing middle-income actors, #2 talking about New Media (at end of post), and #3 exploring residuals.)
Within hours, SAG leadership issued this response to its members:
The Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers (AMPTP) posted a message to their member companies today on the AMPTP website. We felt it was important that we directly communicate our continued dedication to the negotiations process.
Screen Actors Guild remains committed to reaching a fair agreement with the AMPTP. To that end, we are prepared to bargain continuously, for as long as it takes.The AMPTP knows we did not state that they had to agree to all of our non-new media proposals. We expect the AMPTP to negotiate in good faith and we will do the same.
We stand by our research and the information we provided you in our Contract 2008 Reports. We are not surprised that the employers dispute the economic hardships actors are facing. You know better.
We will not negotiate this contract in the press. Instead, we are focused on reaching a fair contract that addresses your needs as professional actors. We will continue to update you regularly.
C'mon, who does the AMPTP think it's fooling? The script all along was to stonewall SAG, make a quick (and terrible for the actors) deal with the AFTRA pushovers, villify SAG leadership to the members, and then try to break whatever is left of SAG's solidarity. I still think that using AFTRA as a wedge to soften up SAG is a non-starter. It doesn't matter what AFTRA does because that union doesn't even deal with motion pictures. But today AFTRA tried its best to look like the most "reasonable" of guilds -- announcing its members had ratified the Network Television Code by an overwhelming 93.35% approval, and that its leadership had pacted with producers of non-broadcast, educational, and industrial material for an 18-month extension to the contract that covers performers doing on-camera and voiceover services.
So what does Hollywood have to look forward to film-wise? More of the same: no greenlighting because of fears of a SAG strike. Major players in this town are telling me they haven't seen the movie industry this dead since, well, they can't remember. It's also a major reason that there's so much turmoil at the agencies; big-name clients are panicking and jumping ship if they're idle, and there's a cutthroat competition to keep them or sign them.
I've told you before and I'll repeat it again: The AMPTP is staying on message that it's now prepared to wait out SAG for a deal until as late as mid-July. That means months of more motion picture inactivity, all of which the AMPTP intends to blame on SAG. As today's statement shows, the AMPTP is furious that SAG negotiators are intent on getting a better deal for its actor members than the WGA or the DGA did on formulas for both New Media and also DVD residuals. Both Peter Chernin and Bob Iger in backchannel talks with SAG leadership, including a session as recently as the 2nd week in April, have been repeatedly saying that the studios and networks won't budge on the numbers previously agreed to with the writers and directors -- even if the actors have different needs.
But it's the moguls own fault: if only they'd kept their word and agreed in the past to visit the residual formulas for home video, and then DVDs, maybe leadership inside SAG would believe the moguls' pledge to revisit those for New Media three years from now. But truth and transparency have never been the strong suit of Big Media (i..e. studio accounting).
After the AMPTP pacts with AFTRA, I fully expect the mogul group to stay away from the bargaining table with SAG -- just like it did with the WGA -- or conduct what can only be described as disingenuous negotiating. The Hollywood CEOs are virtually daring SAG to strike when its contract expires the end of June. I do hope that SAG can restrain itself and hold off calling a strike after that, instead engaging in brinkmanship for a reasonable period. Because Chernin and Iger will in the end make a deal with SAG that I do believe will contain better numbers than the other contracts. Why? Because timing will be on SAG's side. And because the power is always in the moguls' hands, and never forget that, no matter if the AMPTP and its lapdog media choose to blame SAG.


Fucking Disaster
How about reporting on how the Actors are our of their frackin’ minds for thinking they are going to double DVD residuals and get a markedly better deal than their “brothers” at the WGA. They need to get a clue on what’s realistic and acceptable and act like rationale humans. Oh wait. Most of them are the non-working actors. I forgot!
Seriously, we all are behind the fight against big business for a fair contract but SAG truly seems out of touch in their demands. And, I fear, this will only lead to another strike which will completely decimate a business that hasn’t even recovered from the Writer’s strike.
WORKING actors please talk some sense into your union
Sigh here we go again, the TOLDJA is more fucking annoying than the rest of the article.
Not shocking at all. Quite expected.
Now its time to bend over and let AFTRA have its way with my future. Great.
Maybe…just maybe…if all of the dual cardholders got together and went AFTRA FiCo at the same time (or at least threatened to)…I wonder…
For god’s sake, it’s called negotiating! Suggest a lower figure, AMPTP, don’t just walk away from the table!
SAG needs a reality check – they go on strike and the whole town will turn against them. Ask any sensible actor – they are pissed at the leadership.
The irony is, doubling the DVD residual rate is still way too little. (Except of course for the DGA.)
While it is news, it should be no surprise to anyone who’s been paying attention over the past few weeks. After AFTRA chose to go it alone, on April 3rd I wrote, concerning SAG’s bargaining position:
“There is no hurry. The primetime television and theatrical contracts don’t expire until June 30. Hurrying a deal works only to the benefit of the AMPTP. In a negotiation, it must be taken into consideration that if it will gain one side or the other a strategic advantage, they’ll be perfectly happy to drag their feet. The AMPTP did just this in their negotiations with the WGA. They dragged their feet for MONTHS, then when someone woke up and noticed the Academy Awards were in jeopardy, suddenly it was hurry up and make a deal. Nobody should be fooled by efforts to use time or timing as a manipulative tool.”
Or now, it seems, to try to use the weaker actors’ union against the stronger one. My hope is AFTRA will hang tough and wait for SAG to make its deal. My fear is that AFTRA will make a rotten lousy deal as early as May 9. While it would not benefit actors, the latter is the more likely outcome.
Please Ms. Reardon, prove me wrong.
I’m not surprised, I recognize the tactics.
Can you say fi core
The AMPTP can call them “unprecedented, double-digit increases in DVD residuals” all they want, but the fact is, the proposed increase still wouldn’t bring the home-video residual rate back UP to where it was 20 years ago before the TRIPLE-digit SLASHING.
Deja…oh, I forget the rest of it.
I’ll say it ’til I’m blue in the face, SAG…
Hold firm on the DVDs. Everything else is bluster.
It MUST be the actors fault. One only needs to read the comments on this site to realize that the WGA was 100% at fault for the Writers Strike, just as SAG is now 100% at fault for this mess.
God bless the fairminded heroes of this industry, men like Peter Chernin and Les Moonves, who have always looked out for the little guy!
Shocking! Absolutely shocking! Talk about a twist ending! It should have been obvious from the start that the AMPTP never planned to negotiate with SAG, just as it never intended to negotiate with the WGA (unless it was “reasonable,” meaning willing to shut up, get on hands and knees before Nick Counter and concede everything).
The AMPTP went through the charade with the WGA in order to get to the DGA for PR purposes. Oh what a bonus it was to be able to slander the WGA as “unreasonable.”
Now the AMPTP did the same thing to SAG, and they will quickly close a deal with the “reasonable” submissive people over at AFTRA who feel right at home with their hands around their ankles. They will proclaim that they really really really tried to make it work with SAG, but they were just SO stubborn and obstinate and child-like and unreasonable.
It makes me sick to see, but it wasn’t unexpected.
The AMPTP has great allies in this fight. The DGA and AFTRA must be so proud to be good little boys and girls, simps to the end, patted on the head by the big impressive grown-ups at AMPTP.
Now AFTRA can feel all important and stick it in the eye of SAG as the actors and performers they are supposed to represent are screwed, all for the self-aggrandizement of AFTRA’s myopic leadership.
Too bad the joke’s on AFTRA. Even worse that we will all have to suffer under the punchline of that joke, through no fault of our own.
Actors. We knew why writers would strike: respect. We knew the DGA wouldn’t: they are rather amenable.
Actors? Flaky.
Oh woe! Oh gloom! Those greedy actors are eroding, undermining and annihilating The Biz, which is perched as always on the crumbly mortar ledge of utter financial collapse! The end is near! The end is near! Oh, save us, DGA!
I just don’t think there will be a strike this go-around. People don’t seem panicked about it. SAG may not agree to a new contract for a while, but I just don’t see a doomsday scenario especially with the current economy. Actors will stick to their guns but not go out on strike, and then they will probably have to settle for crap like everyone else.
And now begins the waiting game…
Last time I checked, actors were not members of the DGA or WGA therefore they shouldn’t have to live by a deal they didn’t negotiate.
DGA rolled over and WGA went along to get everyone back to work.
Nikki writes,
“And, as I predicted, the AMPTP is blaming everything on the Screen Actors Guild.”
Here’s my prediction:
When SAG releases their statement – they will blame everything on the AMPTP.
Why am I not surprised.
Here we go…
It looks like the AMPTP isn’t just writing a script for its own members but for elements of SAG as well.
The feud with AFTRA, the infighting over “qualified voting” on the eve of a major contract negotiation was literally a gift to the AMPTP. It’s a sign of weakness and division in the SAG/AFTRA community, and like any smart predator, the AMPTP is sweeping in for the kill.
Many SAG members took a financial beating during the WGA strike, and they don’t have large parent corporations willing to carry them through the tough times. They’re in a position of weakness, and it was a terrible, potentially lethal mistake to allow these divisions to become public.
Machiavelli and Sun Tzu should be required reading for union leadership. I’m someone in the AMPTP has read it, because they’re taking advantage of every opportunity they’re being given.
So here we go, SAG thinking for some reason that pattern bargaining does not apply to them and also thinking that they can hold out and get something more. Pure Bullshit! In the end they will settle for about what is offered now after a weak “bankers hours” strike like WGA did. Next we’ll hear cries for solidarity from the rest of the unions – good night and good luck with that one guys. The AMPTP has not walked away yet, so get back in there and TRY to compromise before you fuck us all.
BTL TEAMSTER (that’s right)
Run the names of the best picture nominees for last years Oscars. Lots of desperate people out there. Some are special effects people.
Imagine how much better things would be if SAG and AFTRA had merged. I think the minority of SAG members who derailed the merger owe us an explanation.
Hey, “Enough”
If you don’t like the toldja, don’t come to the site
Meanwhile, you sure don’t mind Nikki’s valuable info.
AMPTP long term are burning bridges and are becoming a joke (just like CAA)
Look at the up side: It’s already been a banner-year for the people that manufacture picket signs and t-shirts. God, I wish I had bought stock back in November.
Still, it’s early, we might be able to jump on the second spike in sales. Gotta love this market.
The AFTRA bashing is unbecoming for anyone, but especially someone who reports to the community. The problem isn’t AFTRA, it’s the MeFirst attitude and that has the Allens believing they can bring the town to a halt.
They’re blowing it, and if they go all the way, they’ll be gone by the Fall…along with a lot of our houses.
Well folks can’t blame the writers for this one. The people who gave me a hard time about the writers striking and debated the reasoning and why a union exists, with me will have to turn their frustration at SAG. Really though, people should maybe look at the AMPTP or just understand that striking is something a union does when all else fails and they feel they have a strong point that is not being addressed. I support SAG just as SAG supported the WGA. I hope the AMPTP offers today would they would offer or settle on in mid-July or later… but, they won’t do dick until they make SAG look like the bad guy and actors turn on each other.
Another unfortunate and avoidable mess.
- writer
PS. Can someone please give Les Monves a raise?
Isn’t “not negotiating in good faith” still against rules. How are they (AMPTP) allowed to get away with it? I don’t understand. While I am here. That, cry about down turned economics helped bull headed, over posturing, Mr. Moonves, in Showtime’s negotiations. What was even worse, was his, were better with out them post-speech. Do you think SAG could start their own studio? I haven’t seen moguls like this since the 30’s.
Hey Can’t Blame the Writers-
Judging from relations between SAG and AFTRA, I’m not sure if we can entirely blame their in-fighting on the AMPTP. They’re doing a pretty good job of turning on each other by their own virtues.
And isn’t it funny that in only a few months the resounding cry regarding the WGA has changed from ‘Solidarity! We’ll receive the respect and wage we deserve!’ to ‘We didn’t make this mess on the carpet!’?
Just sayin’.
Nikki, I beg you: don’t do this again. Please. Just don’t. I know you love getting higher hit counts by posting these screeds, but as someone who suffered through the WGA strike, I “can’t take it anymore,” as my name says.
Please understand that you are being used and manipulated by both sides here, and by continually posting articles and commentary like this, you only fuel the fires, making a volatile situation even more explosive.
These upcoming renegotiations will only decimate television further. Yes, of course Nikki is right, features are still sacred. And covered by SAG. But tv is the only place an actor can still negotiate above scale. Features have become scale +10% for everyone but the stars. But AFTRA will undersell the television end of things, as they always do, so television may also wind up being only scale +10% in an AFTRA world. The question now is: what can dual card holders ( all 44,000 of us) do?
I just got my AFTRA bill in the mail and it’s not due until the end of May, but for some reason it went up. No explanation, nothing. I earned around $2000.00 in AFTRA last year so of course, that’s a small fortune right? That’s 2 thousand dollars in case you think I made an error there.
Since most of the actors I talk to are fed up with the joke that AFTRA has become as well as the betrayal, what would happen if 44,000 people didn’t pay their dues as a form of protest? Could we finally break this damn thing once and for all? Any thoughts?
Peggy Lane O’Rourke
The WGA strike proved that the AMPTP is a not a negotiating body, it exists only to delay. SAG should refuse to sit down with them and tell the moguls they will talk only directly to them.
Can’t blame the writers is right, this is an avoidable mess. The problem is that the AMPTP wants to play SAG like a musical instrument, but the real problem is that AMPTP companies are getting ready for a strike and that we will likely see more shutdowns just to pressure SAG back to the table for more of the same. That is after they get done with destroying AFTRA with massive rollbacks and that guild collaspses because SAG got something better.
At this moment, a strike isn’t the most powerful weapon that SAG owns. They will likely demand and get congressional hearings up the wazoo thanks to Nick Counter and his cronies just because they aren’t greenlighting movies and keeping guild members from getting paid.
As for the strike date, how does August 25 at 12:01 AM local time sound? I am sure that Howard Dean would love to have a picket line at his convention. Meanwhile this strike date would give more time for studios to film movies that weren’t greenlighted yesterday or last week. Also, the July summer critics tour would go on as planned, and would include the critics own awards show, which isn’t an AMPTP member anyway.
SAG go for a small increase in the DVD rate and call it a day. A double increase is not going to win us fans when a strike is called over it. If we can show ourselves to be reasonable and hold firm while keeping this town working SAG will be the heroes of the labor movement.
I have a retirement from SAG when I turn age 65. it is mostly due to Video-DVD residuals so this gives me first hand knowledge of the old formula success if you are a working actor. A two and a half cent increase should be fine to hold out for at this time but if the AMPTP doesn’t give us that by June 30, 2008, don’t go on strike – just keep this town working under the old contract until the studios decide their De Facto strike isn’t working like they though and they will come back to the negotiating table willing to give us a two and a half cents DVD-Video raise because SAG didn’t go on strike. The studios did. The studios can’t hold out on a De Facto strike for too long.
If anyone from the AMPTP is listening just agree to pay SAG a small Video-DVD increase and lets get back to shooting feature films again. Remember, you can always increase your profits by lowering the 20 million dollars per film deal you pay for stars plus gross points.
Now kiss and make up so we can move on with our lives.
SAG/AFTRA/WGA member
The debate over DVD residuals seems either quaint or a smokescreen, considering the announcement today about day/date VOD and Itunes streaming of movies. The numbers for DVDs are going to head the same way CDs did once downloading music took over, It’s why the WGA decided to give in so early on that issue.
Sadly the AMPTP seems to have figured out a formula that spins any negotiation requests into unreasonable demands that put people out of work. Creative people by nature rarely have killer business instincts/savvy. So this fight will never be fair.
Jessy S.,
Why exactly are you here? You keep posting statements that show you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Congressional hearings??? Even if the AMPTP were the reason movies weren’t being greenlight, that would not justify congressional hearings (many a company have locked out employees before without congressional hearings). Where do make this stuff up at? But the bigger problem here is that you clearly don’t understand why the movies aren’t being greenlight. The AMPTP has NO CONTROL over it, before movies can begin production they must get insurance, the insurance companies are failing to cover the projects because of the fear of a strike and that is what is halting production. Lastly, even if there is an actor’s strike, why exactly do you think it would be beneficial for the actors to picket the democratic convention???
“Can’t Take it Anymore”. I think that’s a good suggestion. Though this comes under the heading of “news” in this town, it’s really just incendiary.The best thing SAG & the AMPTP did was hold to the press blackout. While that was in play, all we knew is “negotiatins are under way”. Make no mistake, the rumors will fly on their own within the business but to involve the public on a board that’s open to anyone just allows all the amateurs to be a part of the hysteria (sort of like when pc’s allowed the general public to start “playing” the stock market and look how well THAT worked out), and it grows exponentially. Whether or not DHD intends to, this SERVES the AMPTP. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I don’t think they need any help at what they do. They do it well. It’s just business folks, and THIS is how they roll. So let’s NOT help them.
Some of these posts are unreal. Does ANYONE in this town GET IT? Can’t ANYBODY other than Nikki see what’s going on? The AMPTP WANTS SAG to strike. That’s the whole plan. ANYONE who is blaming SAG for this is completely clueless.
The AMPTP has planned this for well over a year now. It’s an age old strategy in war: divide and conquer. The AMPTP is NOT going to negotiate with SAG at all, much less in good faith. They will then blame SAG in the media for being “unreasonable,” and then hope the actors turn on themselves between AFTRA and SAG. They will then get a weak, mediocre deal from AFTRA and convert as many SAG shows as possible to AFTRA.
Once SAG is destroyed, the AMPTP will then set their sights on WGA at the next negotiation in three years (SAG won’t be there anymore for support), and then the IATSE will be next in line. If crew members are angry at SAG now, just wait until the AMPTP does away with health and pension contributions, which most of corporate America is doing to American workers.
That’s been the plan all along, and it’s mind-boggling that most of creative Hollywood is helping it happen by fighting amongst ourselves. Hollywood is run by business school graduates now who could care less about the creative process, OR anyone’s health or pensions. It’s all about how much money — make that BIG money — they’ve made.
The only way to avoid this at the moment is for AFTRA to sit back and refuse to negotiate until SAG has a contract in place. If AFTRA goes in for negotiations while SAG is still without a contract, the future will have been set in motion.
ALL of us — actors, writers, crew — can say goodbye to health and pensions.
THAT is the AMPTP’s ultimate goal in this.
It’s Machiavellian — and so obvious!
Dear Nikki “Chicken Little” Finke-
While everyone is highly impressed that you “Called It”, please attempt to fully recognize the role you play in this continuing Greek Tragedy. You may think that you’re contributing or illuminating the discourse, (when not shamelessly pimping yourself for the Time 100), but you’re actually serving to fester wounds that haven’t even been inflicted yet.
Your commitment to sensationalizing and doomsaying is admirable in its tenacity but completely egregious in the unnecessary anxiety that YOU, Miss Finke, serve to create.
I would hope SAG learned from the completely useless WGA strike (see: South Park) that a work stoppage will not result in gains that cover the losses. People can crow in the comments all they want about “negotiation tactics”, but Elementary Level Math would entail that if A < B, A is not worth the effort to get B.
Yours,
TP3000
Now, calm down, everybody.
There’s time left,
in spite of the de facto lock-out.
There has been,
as of yet,
no hard bargaining on money or important issues.
It’s called give-and-take.
AMPTP HAS NOT ASKED FOR ANY ROLLBACKS.
They won’t with AFTRA either,
no matter what the MF jackboots say here.
AFTRA may teach SAG how to hard-bargain.
Hard-bargaining is NOT just
“holding firm”, you know.
It’s give-and-take.
Anybody here ever done that in their life?
Give-and-take?
Sure you have.
Tell Doug and Alan to do that.
I’m stunned. The SAG demands go far and above anything any other union would ask for. Call it balls or call it stupid, but Rosenberg and company are just out of touch.
The real danger here is this. AFTRA will make a deal that conforms to the WGA/DGA deal. Come June 30th when SAG goes out the studios will have no contract with SAG, allowing them to sign AFTRAs contract. All one has to do is look at the air traffic controllers and what happened to them to get the idea.
I do see that during the guild elections WGA and SAG that these “leaders” will be looking for jobs elsewhere.
Nikke Finke said, “The script all along was to stonewall SAG,….”
And the script all along from Rosenberg and Allen was to be confrontational with AMPTP. Who writes your stuff, Nikke? Alan Rosenberg himself? Both the L.A. Times and the Asociated Press describe Rosenberg and SAG’s so-called leadership as “militant” (you know, like suicide bomber nut jobs in the middle east?). Of course Rosenberg, Allen and the usual lemmings will put all the blame on the producers. Rosenberg is a protege of Bill Daniels and *his* disasterous attempt to impose SAG’s dominion over the entire industry. Those of us who have the audacity to actually work in this business, and who are not just wanna be’s or used to be’s, are looking at Rosenberg and Allen’s antics with dread. And when they totally screw things up, they’ll have a whole list of people to blame for their failures. The producers, of course, are evil. AFTRA betrayed their sister union, and the SAG actors who do not fall into lockstep weakened SAG’s bargaining position. They will never, ever admit that they screwed things up themselves with their arrogance. I have put in for an early pension figuring that Rosenberg is going to do serious damage to the future of Screen Actors Guild. I just want to safeguard whatever I can of my financial future.
Now let’s hear from the usual idiots who want to rag on me for protecting myself from them by staying anonymous, rather than discussing legitimate points raised. For good cause, I do not trust them, or SAG’s “militant” leadership.
Question for the people who imply Nikki is part of the problem: Even if she does coat her reporting with some incendiary or self-congratulatory remarks, who else is willing to report ANYTHING other than the AMPTP talking points? Where else can you find real, straightforward in-depth reporting and analysis that has, over time, proven anywhere as accurate? Who else is covering these negotiations with anything but the usual Big Media propaganda (the union is divided, everyone’s going fi-core, the leadership is crazy, the industry’s troubles are the fault of the strikers and not those being struck, everyone else–in and outside the union is “fed up” with the union and fine with the Big Media companies, etc. etc.) Go back and read the “trades” or even the NY and LA Times going back to last fall and compare it with Nikki’s reporting and the facts we now know to be true (ie: how few writers went fi-core, what the Big Media companies COULD offer that they said would destroy the industry, etc. etc.) and then say that she’s the “problem.” She should stop being “incendiary.”
We know how Big Media treats those that aren’t union–see current court case of Reality worker demanding to have his past pay BROUGHT UP TO MINIMUM WAGE. And then say that the only person reporting on this stuff who is NOT in Big Media’s pocket should just be quiet.
Sure, I’d like fewer “toldjas” and “you heard it hear first” and I’d like fewer teases to “keep clicking” because something BIG’s on its way. Nikki’s not perfect. But her reporting makes up for it. And if you think it’s important to have even a clue about what’s really going on with these negotiations, Nikki more than makes up for these annoying traits in almost every post.
One other thing re: Mr TP, South Park and the huge “losses” the striking union membership has incurred that will not be made up for by gains. You’re entitled to your opinions but that doesn’t make them any less stupid. If unions didn’t fight for something approaching a decent share of the pie, the net result would NOT be the status quo; it would be rollbacks as massive as Big Media companies could get until the pushback hurt their bottom line. By setting the bar SOMEWHERE and backing it up with a “work stoppage,” they don’t just add a fraction of a cent here and twenty dollars there, they prevent Big Media from totally breaking the unions and paying the people who make their “content,” their “product,” more than they currently do for non-union work (nothing). The gains made by striking were far greater than Mssrs. TP (Trey Parker/Tom Paine) admit. And anybody in the industry who enjoys minimums, OT, golden time, transpo, per-diem, meal penalty, pension, etc. should realize they are all the results of “work stoppages” and the threat thereof. So no, the losses guild members incurred from striking were IN NO WAY > than the gains.
>>If crew members are angry at SAG now, just wait until the AMPTP does away with health and pension contributions, which most of corporate America is doing to American workers.
WELL, STATED. TOO BAD SAG CAN’T SAY IT AS WELL AS THIS.
WHY ISN’T SAG STATING THIS CLEARLY AS THEIR PRIORITY DEMAND?!?!? HEALTH AND PENSION ARE THE ***ONLY*** ISSUES THAT MATTERS TO LABOR TODAY!!!! IT IS BY FAR THE MOST EXPENSIVE, WHICH IS WHY IT IS MOST IMPORTANT. FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, WATCH THE NEWS?!?!
>1. Reasonable residuals for actors’ work released to DVD and home video.
>2. Reasonable residuals for content made for new media.
>3. Reasonable residuals for content moved over to new media platforms from traditional media.
>4. Reasonable residuals for made-for new media programs released in traditional media.
ON WHAT PLANET DOES THE SAG AND WGA LEADERSHIP LIVE?!?!?
PLEASE, SAG – WAKE UP AND JUST CLEARLY STATE WHAT THE END GAME IS. PERHAPS THEN REAL LABOR WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AND ACTUALLY BACK YOU UP.
YOU ARE GETTING CONFUSED IN THE >>minutiae<<. ISN’T THAT JUST TYPICAL FOR ACTORS.
HIRE A NEW PUBLIC RELATIONS FIRM!!!
Intrigued, the AMPTP is the exact reason why movies aren’t getting greenlit. A good majority of movies don’t take months to film, they take weeks unless there is a problem on the set such as an injury and so on. What happened here is that the AMPTP and major studios are colluding for a defacto strike in order to break SAG or force them to strike. It is up to SAG to educate the public about this defacto strike, however they already have plans where the independent scene is doing quite well because SAG is coming up with about the same “interim agreements” as WGA did during their strike.
When it comes to congressional hearings, congress hates big media and will do whatever it takes so that, for example, Rupert Murdoch is forced to spin-off Dow Jones and Company while other companies do the same and all AMPTP members are forced into negotiations with SAG. In the meantime, SAG and WGA will both assist congress in holding those hearings.
As for the SAG strike, I call August 25th at 12:01 AM because that is an ideal time for shutdown of television production which means that most series have banked three or four episodes at the most, and you can’t launch a series or season on just three or four episodes. Also, the strike would instantly put the Emmys in danger of becoming either a picketed event or worse, just a news conference as happened to the Golden Globes. Finally, the SAG strike would begin during the first day of the Democratic National Convention and that would be a prime spot to hold a rally on the first day of the strike.
I implied this to all of us in a recent post, but if you try to keep bickering with me, Intrigued I am not going to answer you again. But if you disagree with me, I would like to hear your opinion.
Doesn’t anyone remember the results of the last SAG strike? Commercial prodution fled to Canada – and much of it never returned; the same with a lot of TV production.
Plus all the lost work cost the actors far more money than any few new gains SAG achieved, not even counting all future jobs that ended up going away – forever.
So to now strike to try and get a contract that is completely out-of-line with what the WGA, the DGA and now AFTRA will have gotten – is madness.
Well, the AMTMP is evil but AFTRA is the real weasel here. Once again they have undermined SAG and are looking to get a windfall of contracts by negotiating on their own. They do not represent actors’ best interest and are only looking to poach more work. I am a member of both SAG and AFTRA and not only was I against merging with AFTRA but I want to break away from them completely. Actors should all be with SAG and all radio and newspeople can have AFTRA to themselves. It’s a weak union that doesn’t enforce their Rule 1 and many of their members work non-union. They have lost any kind of respect from the actors that they pretend to represent and after they hit everyone with the “$100 extra dues because we’re broke” fee it was the final straw for me. After all of these negotiations are done I hope there will be a move to drop AFTRA as a union for actors.
Thanks SAG! Way to negate four months of walking by the WGA, hard work by the DGA. Pat Verrone and David Young got played on this one. At any point did these geniuses say – if WGA walks, SAG won’t have to.
If WGA was knew SAG was hellbent on striking – the should have waited.
As a WGA member, first out of the gate, I have NO SYMPATHY at all for SGA.
Ego, Ego, Ego.
I am, therefore I act.
Both sides need to leave their egos at the door and get in that room and NOT COME OUT until they’ve hammered out a deal!
Venice,
Pull up your shorts; your “membershipfirst” Hollywood SAG Board anti-union plumber’s butt is showing, and it ain’t attractive.
For a working actor like me, to read your vetted & rehearsed anti-AFTRA crap after all this is like smelling last Fall’s leaves…as they rot. I work under both SAG & AFTRA contracts and am happy with both unions except for this current useless war of words. We’ve witnessed the difficult IA/WGA conflict over animation & reality. But the SAG/AFTRA schism has been totally manufactured & nurtured by the hostility & poor-me pipedreams of the has-been demi-celebs of “membershipfirst” and you can lay responsibility for it right at the ill-shod feet of “membershipfirst” symps and the current electeds on the Hwd SAG Board along with their NFLPA transplant-turned-chief-negotiator — all of whom will be gone by October if the SAG membership has any will.
All of us who actually work for a living at acting are members of both SAG & AFTRA. Don’t they get that? For the tiny splinter group of brownshirts called “membershipfirst” who dominate the Hollywood SAG Board to still be belching out their anti-AFTRA propaganda is as old as “Friends” going off the air.
Get to the work of negotiating, and keep your anti-union crap to your Sunday evening Libertarian bitch sessions.
To writer:
If you want to engage in a discourse that’s fine; but referring to dissenting opinions that don’t champion the insanely damaging WGA Strike through your Rose Colored glasses as “stupid” is juvenile and discounts your own argument.
So here’s my question to you: what gains, truly, were made by the WGA strike? How much more money do you currently have than you did/would have as a result? What gains, truly, would be made by a SAG strike, especially w/ the industry still reeling from the WGA Debacle?
And what, writer, are the BTL’ers to do? Stand in solidarity as they wait in line at the soup kitchen?
I’m not in any way shape or form attempting to defend Big Media. But the WGA shilling is pathetic in light of the actual miniscule gains that were made. (And all benefitting TV Writers at that.)
Ichbinaucheinwerkungactor, where would you get the idea that Libertarians are anti-union? Because it ain’t so.
Libertarianism has no problem with any voluntary associations of private individuals.
Ted, New media and residues are more important to SAG than Health and pensions because new media is the future of the industry. If the actors get a horrible deal in new media, that will set up the guild for the knockout punch next time. That is because everything would be transmitted over the internet, and if the SAG doesn’t have a good new media deal, you can kiss everything goodby unless you are Les Moonves and star in the hit CBS comedy series “I Hate Nikki.” (Just a bit of a background, Nikki has been very vocal regarding the CBS chairman, and for all the right reasons.)
Writers Strike, Recession, now an Actor’s Strike…Goodbye L.A. production, hello Canada getting all the work! (Again….)
For all of the below-the-line that didn’t already lose their health benefits, declare bankruptcy or go into foreclosure…prepare to find a new line of work. After all the years you worked your *$^#_ off, 15 hours a day, here’s the thanks that Hollywood gives you.
You can thank BOTH sides for all of this (Producers, WGA, SAG, AFTRA)…No side is without blame in some areas…
Signed,
A longtime member of SAG & AFTRA, with a spouse that works Below-the-line
Jessy S.,
All I can say is you are a moron! First, you claim you know what SAG’s proposals are. Now, you claim the reason production won;t start on new films is because of the AMPTP. You clearly just anything will feel without any basis in reality. Not only is it incorrect, it makes NO SENSE! Why would the AMPTP halt production on itself? That’s money. Plus in the event of strike they would want to have as many completed projects as possible! You point to independent production proceeding – that is because SAG gave the independents Guaranteed Completion Contracts so that they could obtain the necessary insurance to allow the production to proceed. Get a damn clue. Try doing some research before posting. I’m not in the industry but I atleast did enough research to understand some of the basics. If you even read the posts here, you would know about the Guaranteed Completion Contracts and why SAG granted them.
Jessy S. – I wish that I, too, could live with my mother and huff paint all day. You’ve got a good thing going.
Reality Check – Couldn’t agree with you more. However, this is Hollywood. What would this business look like if we ever dared learn from the past… crazy!
Well said, Thomas Paine.
Having queried as many WGA members as possible about the worth of the strike and the gains made, I have yet to get one answer, underline one, that turns into fact the fiction the WGA leadership believed to start the strike and the fiction that persists to this day regarding the results of that strike. The deal the WGA ultimately made was exactly the deal they would have made on day one. They completely misread the AMPTP. Verone and Co.’s stubbornness and uninformed approach totally undermined, even sabotaged, the entire Guild. The AMPTP’s avarice is undeniable and indefensible especially as it pertains to an equitable distribution of profits from DVD’s and other markets. Their “creative bookkeeping” is legendary but that is no reason for the WGA to have abandoned a smart plan of attack to achieve their goals. Their much bally-hooed solidarity only unnecessarily extended the strike while gaining absolutely nothing tangible. The new DGA and WGA deals are FAR from perfect. Maybe not even just OK. Hopefully, in three years, when the new media numbers become much clearer a better deal can be hammered out. If not, then that’s the time for a strike by all the unions and guilds that shuts the town down. Nevertheless, thank God for the sensibility and adult behavior of the DGA for coming to an agreement that people can live with for now. They DID NOT roll over as is so cowardly suggested by every other writer. There is no quantification of that supposition. Simply put, the DGA did their homework, knew how to negotiate without ego or vitriol and helped get the town back to work. The WGA leadership should be vilified for their reckless, uninformed, and inept behavior as they bungled the handling of the strike. Their unbelievably huge (collective) ego appeared to be the only thing guiding them and their lack of negotiating skills and intuition about how to read their opponents across the table appalls.
Now the SAG is bout to follow step for step the inane and ill-considered WGA approach. Wise up, Alan and Doug. Check your oversized, militant egos at the bargaining room door, do your guild (not to mention the town) a favor and stop acting like a spoiled children holding his breath until they get what they want. I won’t try and defend the current DVD numbers but they are not worth striking over right now. Make it part of the new media fight in three years. Get real, make a deal and don’t further jeopardize a town already in deep, deep economic trouble.
Regarding Sarcastic Cynic, the only reason why there is a features strike by the AMPTP is to break SAG to pieces or force a strike starting Jult 1st. Problem is that it isn’t going to work. However, a major shoot lasts anywhere from 6 to 8 weeks.
BTW, the way this benefits AMPTP companies is that they don’t have to spend any money on a sure flop. As for the independents, they get their contracts so that the actors can continue working during any possible strike.
Sarcastic Cynic,
Thank you for explaining the insurance issue to “Jessy the Simpleton”, maybe with someone else telling it to him he will accept reality and stop dreaming up stuff and typing here like its fact. (but i doubt it)
Hmmm… Jessy S… You hold strong and true, in the face of being completely wrong… you open your mouth without thinking of the repercussions, and without considering the facts… you are obviously out of touch with your peers and lack a grasp on current events…
Do you happen to work for a negotiating committee?
Tom Paine in the ass:
“referring to dissenting opinions that don’t champion the insanely damaging WGA Strike through your Rose Colored glasses as ’stupid’ is juvenile and discounts your own argument.”
Something about a pot and a kettle.
As for what the WGA “gains” are that I’ve asserted, if you’d actually read my post past the part directly related to you, you would have seen that I consider absolutely everything that every union member in the industry now has (whether it be minimums, residuals, overtime, golden time, travel, per-diem, kit rental, pension/health/welfare) as gains that only exist because of unions forcing them through strike and the ability to genuinely threaten to strike. The “gains” all the guilds have made are everything that guild members get paid. But for the ability of guilds to shut down production, nobody but a handful of top brand-name talent would be able to scrape together a middle class existence in Hollywood (see what people make in reality TV).
And I stick by the statement that you did read. Anybody who thinks that the people who make movies and TV would be able to make a living at all if WGA, DGA or SAG rolled over and took AMPTPE’s first offer without a fight is stupid. The handful of giant mega conglomerates who own virtually all media would pay nobody a dime ever for anything without a bloody fight. The gains are not just what the guilds got over the previous contract, the gains are the prevention of the complete rollbacks the AMPTP will put into place the second they can. In other words the gains of standig firm are absolutely enormous and longterm and far outweigh any losses.
Rather than DVD residuals, actors should be more concerned about the hundreds of millions of dollars in Foreign Levies being stolen from them. Dozens of countries around the world collect these levies (taxes) from cable, hard drive sales, blank media, etc. in the names of the individual actors who are due them by law. SAG signed a secret agreement (secret from it’s membership) in 2002 with the studios. The deal was that SAG would give most of this money, meant for working writers, to the studios. The rest would go to the SAG leadership to use as they saw fit. (That is, NOT paying the actors the money was owed too.) You can see the contract, with commentary, at this link:
http://www.screenrights.net/agreements/SAG/SAGAgreement.php
So what does this contract prove? It proves that SAG is corrupt and this supposed negotiation with the studios is mere theatre to give the corrupt SAG leadership cover for accepting a really bad deal. Like the corrupt WGA did, and the corrupt DGA did. For information about Hollywood Union corruption, go to:
http://www.screenrights.net
or
http://wgarumorsandscandals.blogspot.com/
Actors, writers, directors, wise up. Your unions are corrupt and you are being ripped off. Get educated. Write your congressman for an investigation into Foreign Levies. Write Dianne Feinstein who has already been alerted but is refusing to act against the huge companies that helped finance her political career.
It is quite easy for us to speculate about this or that, or let our emotional attachments overrun cold-eyed reasoning.
It is still early. SAG’s contract isn’t up for another two months.
It is instructive to bear in mind who owns the Los Angeles Times, who runs Variety, who the Hollywood Reporter relies upon for most of its (remaining) advertising dollars, and who directs the people who direct the editorial decision-making at the other mainstream media companies. Unions in general don’t get a fair shake from MSM. The WGA certainly did not, and it’s clear SAG will be treated no better than its sister union.
It is fair and reasonable to assume the moguls would like to see SAG weakened through this negotiation process. There are, over the next couple of decades, hundreds of billions of reasons for them to do everything they can to minimize SAG’s cut of New Media revenues. They know, and our negotiators know, that that’s where the distribution will happen, and where money will be. Fresh signs of this appear every day. The most recent news is a number of companies announcing the day/date alignment of their DVD movie releases with VOD online and iTunes rentals. If I had to venture a guess (and I could be wrong), their new plan is to make the 1080p version of the content available on Blu-Ray, and the 720p (which is what Apple’s set-top box currently supports) & SD versions available through iTunes, Amazon, VOD online, so on.
We actors need to respond to the AMPTP during this critical time by speaking the plain truth. We have the talent to do this humorously, poignantly, and informatively all at once. We can and should go directly to the general public through the Internet, as the WGA did.
It is also certainly in the best of interest of every SAG member (okay, maybe excepting Les Moonves) to fully support our elected leadership and paid negotiators through this process. The clearer our solidarity is to the AMPTP, the stronger the hand our leadership holds in negotiations. We need to keep our endgame in mind – the best deal possible (wages & working conditions, health & pension), the long-term health and viability of the guild, and continued professional opportunities to do this thing we love and which brings joy to so many.
Hey writer –
In your overemphatic gushing for the presence of unions, you did leave out slavery. Were the advances made by Abraham Lincoln directly resulting from unionization? Can we thank the likes of Pat Verrone and David Young for that one as well? How about Darwinism? Did these great Union leaders organization labor to crawl out of the primordial ooze as a righteous protest against natural selection?
Your vehement rhetoric regarding any action ever taken by unions shows that whether you’re at the very top of the food chain (Working A-list talent) or bottom (embittered unemployed hack) you had nothing to lose from the WGA strike. Meanwhile, some of us do labor every day to pay rent, insurance, gas, food, and hope to have something left over to enjoy.
In your arguments, you actually bring out one of the fundamental problems with the WGA strike, and not any problem you seem aware of. You’re taking something very routine (labor negotiations) and turning them into an overly dramatic battle between the very natures of good and evil. Recently someone pointed out: This ain’t Harlan Co. USA, and film workers, whether they be Writers, Directors, Actors, right down to the non-union PA’s, nobody works in a coal mine around here. If you work, you’re pretty well taken care of. It was your union’s short-sighted self-importance that got us into this mud pit in the first place (or am I mistaken in saying that the WGA strike was about anything more than a bunch of ‘underappreciated’ writers (i.e. not celebrities) needing two weeks of having the general public blow smoke up their asses? That’s right, you guys got your respect, hand-in-hand with the lousy deal so many people swore they’d never ratify (what was it, 93% approval? Yowsa).
My point being: You can’t have it both ways. Either stick to your rhetoric, sell your house and give it all to whatever strike fund or support fund, wear newspaper for shoes, and enjoy all the fine dining of LA’s best soup kitchens, OR, maybe, just maybe, try thinking realistically, realizing that maybe things aren’t so cut-and-dried. Unions are a good thing. They’ve done a great job (with some occasional serious lapses) in protecting their workers. But they’re not infallible. And we’re getting to a point where everyone has more interest in striking than in working, so, please, let’s try and remember why we’re here.
Hey Ripwriter –
“actors should be more concerned about the hundreds of millions of dollars in Foreign Levies being stolen from them. Dozens of countries around the world collect these levies (taxes) from cable, hard drive sales, blank media, etc. in the names of the individual actors who are due them by law. SAG signed a secret agreement (secret from it’s membership) in 2002 with the studios. The deal was that SAG would give most of this money, meant for working writers, to the studios. The rest would go to the SAG leadership to use as they saw fit. (That is, NOT paying the actors the money was owed too.) You can see the contract, with commentary, at this link:
http://www.screenrights.net/agreements/SAG/SAGAgreement.php ”
Ripwriter, I was oversees and saw my stuff playing. when I got back to L.A. I called SAG to ask why I wasn’t seeing any foreign sales from this… Someone in the president’s office said it was just really hard to track these things. But if what you’re claiming and the document you embedded link to is true (and I just read the doc), I’m not paying my goddamned dues and will strike against SAG.
Please someone else verify whether or not this is true? If so, it’s not just actors but agents, managers and entertainment lawyers should be going after SAG if this is the case.
it’s hard to know where to start with all of this.
i can say with direct knowledge and certainty, though, that on the issue of residuals that the actors current formula makes it all but impossible to shoot TV movies in the US. ACTRA allows buy-outs. two years ago lifetime alone made 70 made-fors, and maybe 3 of them were shot in the US. why? because to pay resids for an indie producer on a made-for which lifetime will run, oh, say 10000 times over the course of a few years makes those movies (whose economics are sketchy at best to begin with) undoable. it’s just impossible to justify financially. so off we go to canada. 2 years ago that meant approx. 600 potential SAG jobs lost to ACTRA. of course it also meant the below-the-line got screwed as well, and it was all because of residuals. SAG leadership showed zero interest in trying to rectify this or do anything to compromise.
and reality is what it is. the movies got made in canada.
so please, SAG, fight the good fight as best you can, but know that like the WGA members “stockpiling” for the producers in advance of their strike, you don’t exactly stand pure and strong in this. everyone is compromised in our town and no one rides a white horse.
Movies will be screwed if there is a strike. As for pilots, most are going AFTRA. Some Sag/aftra members that are signing on to the AFTRA projects are saying they will still strike with SAG even though they signed on to AFTRA pilots. Um, they better read their contracts…
‘You bet my name’s withheld’ wrote:
“Unions are a good thing. They’ve done a great job (with some occasional serious lapses) in protecting their workers. But they’re not infallible. And we’re getting to a point where everyone has more interest in striking than in working, so, please, let’s try and remember why we’re here.”
Okay, now knock it off with the common sense, will ya? We’re talking about a bunch of self-indulgent hypocritical actors who, one one hand claim actors who actually work and who believe those who don’t shouldn’t have the same vote as those who do are “elitist” yet when negotiating with producers, set themselves up as having “special needs” while being the elite of the industry. Personally, I think those of us who mmanage to work in a very difficult business *are* the elite because, of course, we are. I take pride in being elite. I take pride in acheiving some level of success in this difficult business. (I should take pride in not ever getting work? That’s absurd!) The wanna be’s and the used to be’s surely have a right to be heard. But it’s a shame that they seem to do little more than get in the way of the relative few of us who actually manage to work in this business.
Another detail:
AMPTP promised favored nations with WGA on whatever SAG gets.
It’s not in writing, and the AMPTP has no reason to honor it’s promise but – let’s say they did – any SAG gain has to be multiplied by 2. Three if they have the same promise with the DGA
Writer-
Thanks for completely validating my comment w/r/t the juvenile and spiteful tone of your missives. You still failed to
A. Directly answer my question a/b what you or any writer actually had now that they would not have if the strike had not occurred and
B. Failed to consider the possibility that the WGA Strike (and the threat of a SAG Strike) has very real, brass tacks effects on people and their finances.
No one’s saying that Unions don’t serve to benefit the people they represent. But your Norma Rae routine fails to realize that they can often times do a great deal of damage. (And in the case of the WGA strike, completely unnecessary damage at that.)
I would assume your response will be something horribly defensive and completely void of any type of consideration for any opinion that doesn’t hold the WGA Strike as the Great Battle of Our Time. (Move over , “War on Terror”!) But know that the WGA ultimately did much more harm than good, regardless of what leadership would have you believe.
Thanks for stopping by.
Postscript, to writer-
And please illuminate for me where I suggest simply “rolling over and taking whatever the AMPTP offers”. Go on. Please.
I think my position and your position and yours have both been clearly stated for the three or four people still following this thread. We’ll let them decide for themselves who’s mischaracterizing whom.
Working Character Actor:
Duly noted. All common sense will be stricken henceforth.
Seriously, though, I do hear you. I have the lucky pleasure of working below-the-line, and have, on many occasions, found it to be rife with dirty politics and paranoia. I can only imagine that the same games must exist ten-fold in the actor’s realm, where (respectfully) narcissism is just as large (and again, respectfully, larger) a driving factor.
And realistically, working below-the-line, I don’t care if the movie is $7m or $70m, insofar as I get my fair rate and can put food on the table. $70m+ movies make it easier to meet girls at bars. $7m movies are more familial experiences where I often feel more attached to the project. In that sense, I’m just a small-town fella who counts himself lucky for the line of work I’ve landed in.
I suppose my point is, we’re different animals, and I can only give my perspective from the outside. I like my job, and when I schlubbed at the bottom of the food chain, so long as I was working, life was good. Through my eyes, having a job is great. Having a union to protect my interests is great. The politics can be a nasty necessary evil, but after what’s already been a harrowing few months (it makes me sad to receive emails from various PA’s, APOC’s, etc, saying that their tv shows were put on indefinite hiatus and they’re hard up for work in a frightening job market), saying that we’re dancing dangerously close to letting our labor unions take stage in front of our actual labor is kinda like saying that the price of gas is getting dangerously high. We’re already there, sort of. Many are managing to swim, but there’s been a lot of our community that has sunk, and needlessly so.
I can’t claim to understand the actor’s life or lifestyle, but I can keep my fingers crossed that perhaps we can preserve what we’ve got and constructively seek a better tomorrow without destructive rhetoric and drawing lines in the sand.
Maybe I’m out of touch. I hope not, though.
SAG is asking for reasonable and fair adjustments to the current pay scale. If AMPTP can grasp a simple concept of new media adjustments and cost of living adjustments all SAG can do is dummy slap them with a strike! Get real AMPTP……
Keven,
I can confirm a lot about Ripwriter’s post. I served two terms as a WGAw Board of Director and it’s about as dirty a union as you could imagine.
I don’t know that much about the SAG leadership, but clearly the WGA leadership has been lying and lying about Foreign Levies. I also personally know Eric Hughes (www.screenrights.net) and we have talked extensively about this issue and his amazing investigation. I believe that hundreds of thousands of dollars have been stolen from me personally by the WGA from Foreign Levies, along with money stolen from actors (many friends) I used in various productions including my television series VIP.
You don’t need to stop paying dues (and get yourself into trouble). Just write your union, your city leaders, your congressmen, and senators and demand an investigation into foreign levies. And get out the word to others.
As you say, whenever they are asked the unions claim that they don’t know when this money being collected around the world is going to be delivered, and it’s “hard” to figure out who it is owed to. Are we really supposed to believe this is the deal that the WGA, DGA and SAG negociated with foreign collection societies? That they would send money, every now and then, without documentation?
Steven Schwartz, a member of the WGA finance committee, told me in an e-mail that the WGA receives checks from unnamed countries for millions of dollars, with no documentation as to who is supposed to get it. To quote him directly:
“One country sent payment with no records. Many countries send payment with rather shoddy records. It’s an imperfect world. We may be able to take some kind of international legal action, though it would be costly and not necessarily successful. Seems to make more sense to try and get what we need by asking, begging, “bugging”, whatever.”
So we are to believe that the WGA (and SAG and DGA) are reduced to begging for their 7.5% of the money that is owed to the artists it is meant for (with the rest going to the studios, which, one would guess, demanding documentation). Recently, the WGA claims we are now getting 50% of this money, but what difference does it make if there are no records?
So, to confirm, yes, the WGA is corrupt. And I’m pretty sure SAG is too.
If you want to get involved, e-mail me at jflawton@gmail.com. Google me. I’m a real person.
J. F. Lawton
What seems to be completely forgotten is the TRUE backbone of the industry – those ‘below-the-line’. If it were not for us, this industry would, literally, shut down. From pre-production through broadcast and ancillary markets, the members of IATSE keep the wheels turning. Yet it’s our members that are suffering most from these strikes. Myself and many of my colleagues are still reeling from the WGA strike and already suffering because of the threatened SAG strike.
We also have suffered because (the successful) writer’s, director’s and especially actors demand huge salaries and points which are then taken out of our ever-decreasing salaries and shrinking health benefits. I is little sympathy from for the actor who shows off their ten thousand dollar red carpet outfits while so many IATSE members can’t even make their house payments.
Our union has it’s flaws, one of them is a failure to exercise it’s considerable power. We continue to suffer, all too quietly, for everybody else’s art.
Comment by Name Withheld — “And realistically, working below-the-line, I don’t care if the movie is $7m or $70m, insofar as I get my fair rate and can put food on the table. $70m+ movies make it easier to meet girls at bars. $7m movies are more familial experiences where I often feel more attached to the project. In that sense, I’m just a small-town fella who counts himself lucky for the line of work I’ve landed in.”
Aw, crap! Now you’re bordering on some serious mental health!
I’ve been recognized by strangers for a few things I’ve done, and yes, I got into this business to meet girls. Once in a while along the way, they pay me much more money than I’m worth for doing a job that I absolutely love. (I can relate to the familial feelings of guerilla film making.) Item 1: Yes, I did meet a girl… twenty five years ago (March 24th) and still counting. Boy, did I get lucky with THAT! Item 2: The money. Well, I’m a big city fella who is both grateful and mildly surprised that people pay me as often as they do. Yeah, I do good work, as do many of my very talented colleagues (and detractors). And Lord knows I’d like to work more than I do. But I’m one of those elitists who actually manages to work… and I cringe every time I get my dues bill. ARGHH!!!!!!! So to those loudmouth morons who can nothing more than flame me for staying anonymous, (1) Go f*ck yourselves, and (2) re my paying the amount of dues I do: you’re welcome. It’s what us elitists are expected to do because of our good fortune (and hard work) to subsidize those who are not yet as elite.
Hopefully someday you’ll cringe at your SAG dues bill, too. Worse things could happen.