UPDATED with Warner Bros response.
EXCLUSIVE: A federal judge has denied a Warner Bros motion to dismiss 20th Century Fox's legal battle over the rights to develop, produce and distribute a film based on the graphic novel Watchmen. This is huge Hollywood news because Warner Bros plans to release on March 2009 its highly anticipated big-screen version of the popular comic book written by Alan Moore and illustrated by Dave Gibbons. Fox was seeking to enjoin Warner Bros from going forward with the project, and U.S. District Court Judge Gary Allen Feess on Friday refused to dismiss the lawsuit filed by Fox on February 12th of this year. "In essence, the Judge appears to conclude that Fox retained distribution rights in Watchmen through the 1991 Largo quitclaim, and he concludes that, under the 1994 turnaround, producer Larry Gordon acquired an option to acquire Fox's remaining interest in Watchmen that was never exercised, thereby leaving Fox with its rights under the 1994 agreement," a 20th Century Fox source just told me. "While the Judge's opinion is preliminary and his views could change in the course of the litigation, his current take on the facts is consistent with our position." I'm told the court is still contemplating Fox's motion for an injunction. This is indeed a stunning development which could imperil Warner Bros' entire 2009 movie slate. Sources point out to me that Warner Bros had a similar problem with the Dukes Of Hazzard movie before Judge Feess and had to pay tens of millions of dollars to release the film.
UPDATE: *Warner Bros officially gave the usual "it is our company’s policy not to comment on pending litigation" statement, but added, "The Court’s ruling simply means that the parties will engage in discovery and proceed with the litigation. The judge did not opine at all on the merits, other than to conclude that Fox satisfied the pleading requirements. We respectfully disagree with Fox's position and do not believe they have any rights in and to this project." But, privately, Warner Bros execs are decrying to me what they say is Fox's "opportunistic claim," noting that "Fox sat on its so-called rights for years while other studios in town developed this property. In fact, Paramount greenlit the movie for production and Fox never said a word! Fox even had an opportunity to re-acquire the project at some point and it passed on it!"
2oth Century Fox made this statement: "Warner Brothers' production and anticipated release of The Watchmen motion picture violates Twentieth Century Fox's long-standing motion picture rights in The Watchmen property. We will be asking the Court to enforce Fox's copyright interests in The Watchmen and enjoin the release of the Warner Brothers film and any related Watchmen media that violate our copyright interests in that property."*
Not only was footage of Watchmen screened at the recent Comic-Con in San Diego, but Warner Bros pulled out all the stops to publicize the movie, from premiering action figure toys to showcasing the Nite Owl ship used in the movie to presenting a panel about the pic with director Zach Snyder, illustrator Gibbons, and the principal cast. The comic series -- fans argue over whether it can be called a graphic novel, since it was originally serialized in 12 issues -- depicts a 1985 world in which the repercussions of superheroes changed the timeline. Masked vigilantes have been outlawed by a McCarthyesque act of government, Richard Nixon is still president, and America won the Vietnam war with the help of a superhuman named Dr. Manhattan (Billy Crudup in the movie). When a man named Edward Blake (Jeffrey Dean Morgan) is brutally murdered, the investigations of masked right-winger Rorschach (Jackie Earle Haley) reveal that Blake was once The Comedian, a government sanctioned mercenary. Rorschach believes that all masked vigilantes may be being targeted by an unknown conspiracy, but the whole thing turns out to be much bigger and deeper than that.
Studios have been trying to make Watchmen into a movie since the 1980s when it originally was published. Producer Joel Silver at one point tried to get Arnold Schwarzenegger to play Dr. Manhattan, and Ah-nuld was said to be willing to shave his head and be painted blue. Terry Gilliam was attached to direct at one point, from a script by 1989 Batman scribe Sam Hamm and production designer Anton Furst, but Gilliam ultimately decided that he thought the book was unfilmable. Meanwhile Watchmen writer Alan Moore has disassociated himself from the film and Hollywood completely. Snyder as offered the helming gig while he was in post on 300, and accepted. At Comic-Con, the director said his aim has been to be as faithful as possible to the original material. And even fans who've seen the early footage -- a new series of clips shown at Comic-Con and scored to Gregorian chants, which included such things as Rorschach's ever-morphing inkblot masks -- say Snyder had done that. "The base is pumped for this movie," my Comic-Con correspondent Luke Y Thompson wrote.
In the lawsuit, 20th Century Fox contends that it owns the distribution rights to any motion picture based on Watchmen and argues that it has held these rights for almost two decades based on agreements with producer Larry Gordon and his related business entities. Fox asserts claims against Warner Bros and its affiliates for copyright infringement and interference with Fox’s contract rights under a 1991 agreement with Gordon’s affiliate. Warner Bros moved to dismiss the copyright and interference with contract claims, arguing that it has obtained all rights to produce and distribute the movie from Gordon or one of his companies, and that its acquisition of these rights can be traced through documents. So Warner Bros asked the Court on the basis of those agreements to dismiss Fox’s claims. Warner Bros also asserts that Fox abandoned any interest it had in Watchmen in 1991 when it purportedly quitclaimed its distribution rights to Gordon according to what the court acknowledged was "a very complex, convoluted series of negotiations and agreements". (Welcome to Hollywood, folks...)
Here's the fascinating chronology that the court laid out:
1986-90: Fox acquires motion picture rights in The Watchmen.
1990: Fox enters into a domestic distribution agreement with Largo Entertainment, a joint venture of JVC Entertainment Inc., Golar (Larry Gordon), and BOH, Inc. The “Largo Agreement” established Fox’s domestic distribution rights, through a license from Largo, in “subject pictures” as defined in the agreement.
June 1991: Fox enters into a “Quitclaim Agreement” with Largo International, through which Fox “quitclaims to Purchaser all of Fox’s right, title and interest in and to the Motion Picture project presently entitled Watchmen, which included specifically described literary materials. Notably, the agreement provides that, “if Purchaser elects to proceed to production, the Picture shall be produced by Purchaser and shall be distributed by Fox as a Subject Picture pursuant to the terms of the Largo Agreement ...” In consideration for the rights to Watchmen, Fox was to be reimbursed for its development costs ($435,600) plus interest plus a profit participation in the worldwide net proceeds of any Watchmen picture.
Nov. 1991: The Largo Agreement was amended; Watchmen was listed as a project quitclaimed to Largo.
Nov. 1993: Larry Gordon, through Golar, withdraws from the Largo Entertainment joint venture; Largo conveys any rights it has in Watchmen to Gordon/Golar. Based on the 1991 quitclaim, the Court may infer that Gordon now stood in the shoes of Largo with respect to Watchmen and held whatever rights it acquired through the 1991 Quitclaim, which left Fox with the distribution rights it retained through that agreement.
1994: Fox negotiated a “Settlement and Release” agreement with Gordon which contemplated that the Watchmen project would be put in “perpetual turnaround” to Lawrence Gordon Productions, Inc. The “turnaround notice” gave Lawrence Gordon Productions “the perpetual right . . . to acquire all of the right, title and interest of Fox [Watchmen] pursuant to the terms and conditions herein provided.” The turnaround notice then described the formula for determining the buy-out price in the event that Gordon elected to acquire Fox’s interest. Thus, the document suggests that Gordon acquired an option to acquire Fox’s interest in Watchmen for a price. In fact, the notice obligated Gordon to pay the buy-out price on the commencement of any production of a Watchmen film. The notice also provided that the agreement was personal to Gordon and that, “prior to payment of the Buy-Out Price,” he could not assign rights or authorize any person to take any action with respect to the project.
May 2006: Warner Brothers, allegedly with knowledge of the 1991 Quitclaim, entered into a quitclaim agreement with Gordon under which it claims to have acquired the rights to the Watchmen project. Fox alleges that these facts demonstrate that, at the very least, it retained distribution rights in Watchmen, that it performed all of its obligations under the relevant agreements, and that while it granted Gordon what amounted to an option to acquire its rights, neither Gordon nor his successors ever fulfilled their contractual obligations to Fox. Indeed, Fox contends that Warner Bros either knew or turned a blind eye to the fact that Fox had retained distribution rights in the project, and that Gordon had not perfected his interest in the Watchmen project before quitclaiming it to Warner Brothers. In any event, Fox now contends that it presently holds rights in Watchmen and that Warner Brothers’ production of the Watchmen film infringes on those rights.
The judge decided that Fox had sufficient reason to state its claims for both copyright infringement and interference with contract so he didn't dismiss the lawsuit.


Yawn. (JUST KIDDING) I’m usually a hater of these Fanboy comic things, but this does look interesting. Here’s a thought: Why don’t we just push all non-comic related films to cable and leave the comics to the theaters and call it a day? Great reporting Nikke. I’m sure the relevant people will be paid off and this live action cartoon/comic will be released in time to save Warner’s ledger.
Why wasn’t this settled before production began?
I mean what do studios pay legal retainers for if not to prevent problems like this?
Of course, the lawyers do make more money with a trial, so I might have answered my own questions.
Sheesh.
I notice Dan Didio still has his job. How come?
How exactly is the movie “in trouble”? The movie exists, it’s not like it won’t come out. Warners will settle and pay Fox some money, and everyone will continue going about their business…
The sudden Harry Potter 6 move is making a whole lot of sense right about now.
I thought you didn’t do ‘geek’ Nikki?
That’s all good reporting, and it’s interesting.
But what – in simple terms – is a “quitclaim”?
To me it sounds like Fox quit its claims, and so its rights, to Watchmen.
Richard Cosgrove – they would have quit their claims IF WB or Gordon had completed their end which was to pay Fox a prearranged amount of money (approx the money Fox spent trying to make the movie in the 80s). WB and Gordon didn’t pay that money so Fox are saying that because of that legally Fox never quit it claims.
Can’t wait to see what happens with this. Hope it doesn’t delay the film. Its my second fave dream comic to film (after X-O Manowar…and maybe Harbinger that paramount are working on!!)
Fox bungled their property, plain and simple. Warner got the absolute best choice to helm this, much like they gave Chris Nolan free-reign on the Batman franchise.
Even if Fox had moved forward, they would have given this to a hack like Brett Ratner and you’d have something possibly worse than those Fantastic Four movies.
Now, Fox is just angry that WB actually gave a shit about quality, not only easy profit. Truth be told, people say this Snyder guy could be a hybrid of Tarantino and Peter Jackson. Fox should be kicking their own ass for not giving this the attention they should’ve.
I will boycott Fox for the rest of my live if they prevent the Watchmen from being release.
I’ve been involved in a couple cases trying to stop distribution of a film (although nothing this contractually *%&#ed up). In each case, the plaintiff had to pony up several million into escrow to reimburse the defendant’s costs for promos & ads already run if the plaintiff wanted an injunction. Anyone want to put a pricetag on how much WB has put into promotions so far?
Rich Johnston and I and a lot of other comics geeks are currently appreciating the irony of Warner having to fight over the rights to the Watchmen movie in light of the merchandising and rights disputes that Alan Moore has had with DC over the graphic novel for the past 20 years
– Rob
PS: And yes, Nikki, Watchmen is a graphic novel in the same way that the originally-serialized novels of Charles Dickens are, in fact, novels.
Didn’t Paramount have the rights to this just recently? They even had a website set up!
A quitclaim is one of several types of ‘deeds’ which parties can use to transfer various types of property. Under a quitclaim deed, a buyer takes title as-is, along with any ‘encumbrances’ (legal claims to the property by other parties) and the seller makes no warranties that title to the property is unencumbered or ‘marketable.’ In other words, it’s a buyer beware type of situation.
Generally, this is what you have a Business Affairs department for. I would be astonished if no one was fired for this – not to mention the development exec who initially pitched the idea to the rest of the department under the auspices that it was now in turnaround and fair game for Warners. Obviously, someone had BAD INFORMATION. Tsk tsk.
Paul Greengrass was actually supposed to direct this before Snyder, but at the last moment the plugged was pulled on that adaptation as well.
Fox’s lawyers are notoriously tough as hell. I’m not surprised that something they might have slipped into a contract might not have been noticed by a lesser lawyer.
Tough bananas to Lawrence Gordon. Feels like he’s the one who is going to get the lion’s share of the blame on this one depending on how he or his people represented the property to Warners.
Good interpretation of contract law is a fine art. This case requires a judge with a good amount of experience, talent and mental dexterity.
However – and not having details – I would venture to say that the results of the case (if Fox and Warners don’t settle beforehand) might hinge on if it’s established in court whether Warners knew of the 1991 quitclaim and of Gordon not having fulfilled his obligations under it.
If it’s established that Warners did know, Fox might have an easier time in court at the very least arguing that Warners assumed a risk when they had Gordon signing their own quitclaim, knowing things were still hanging with Fox, and that the resulting mess they find themselves in is due to no fault but their own. If the judge agrees with that, things might cascade against Warner’s favor from there.
Interference with contract though, requires a lot more than just [an allegation of] intentionally looking the other way when Warners had Gordon do a quitclaim. But, you know, you throw everything in there you can.
I agree with one commenter above: What a ball to drop on the part of Warners business affairs.
If Fox wins this case, I’m thinking it’s going to cost a lot more than a few million to put out the film. They know the potential that this project has so the lawyers may get very creative. Could they split the back end or work out a deal for Fox to distribute? That runs into another problem that the film was made under Warner’s direction and Fox was not creatively involved. It really seems like someone at the studios would do searches on previous ownership of intellectual properties just like a security interest in a car. Also, if Warner has to pay Fox, Warner could possibly turn around and go after Gordon if they find out he had bad faith in deceiving them.
What I don’t understand is why Fox didn’t bring this up when Gordon and Paramount were deep in pre-production with director Paul Greengrass attached. WATCHMEN was about to shoot for Paramount back then when Brad Grey took over the production and pulled the plug on the project reportedly due to the large budget.
“this live action cartoon/comic will be released in time to save Warner’s ledger. Comment by peggy”
“I thought you didn’t do ‘geek’ Nikki? Comment by neil”
Hi Everyone,
Don’t let the fact that this is about a comic property to demean the fact this is a big fight between to media giants over intellectual property worth millions.
Studios will wait gladly years for a chance to screw another studio over in this way when they have them contractually by the balls.
And Peggy, I dare you to read the WATCHMEN graphic novel and call it a “cartoon”. WATCHMEN is like a cartoon the way a Hemingway novel is a like a Harliquin romance novel okay?
it sounds like fox it trying to take a pie baked by some one else and call it theres cause they once owed the recipe
Why didn’t Fox bring it up when Paramount had ‘Watchmen’ in preproduction?
Simple. The contractual irregularity could have allowed them to kill anyone’s use of the property. But why bother until they’re sure that there’s serious money involved?
So what happens if Fox wins? Do they just own the domestic distribution rights, or does this include the entire planet? Does it affect DVD or cable distribution?
Yep. Now I understand why they moved Harry Potter.
Wow – there’s so much I can say regarding all the prior comments – let’s see how much I can get through. I have NO knowledge of this matter anything beyond Nikki’s posting, but so many comments are making statements which are off kilter, I would like to try:
1) Chain of Title review – A chain of title is a set of documents which starts with the original rights holder and ends with the producer making the movie. A chain of title is required on every project, but when you acquire something directly from the writer, it is usually just the documents you prepare. If, however, something changes hands many times, an analysis of the rights is required. A copyright report is run (for anything in the public record) and the acquisition document will contemplate that they have to give you all the documents that they got (and prepared) as far as their chain of rights is concerned. Then a lawyer is assigned the task of reviewing each document, and tracking the rights as it passes from hand to hand. This is an awful job to do, and the lawyer is essentially the one to blame if they miss anything that might be buried in thousands of pages of documents which may have been poorly drafted to begin with.
2) Quitclaims – whenever any producer or production company gets their hands on a property that they ultimately don’t want, they usually pass it onto the next one via a quitclaim. Essentially, a quitclaim is a easy way out. It says, basically, “I am not making an promises as to what I own, but whatever that is, I give it to you”. As part of the Chain of Title review, when you see a quitclaim, you need to determine what they had. By using a quitclaim, you can get out of being sued for a failure of a representation of ownership of the rights. By accepting a quitclaim, you take on the risk that you have no one to sue if it turns out you didn’t get the rights you needed.
3) Producers/Production Companies – whenever anyone gives up a project, they usually have conditions. Recovery of costs + interest + 5% of the net is standard. Maybe it will also include distribution in some foreign territories and/or clawbacks if the picture changes too much. But when an individual producer gets a property they can’t sell, and they transfer it to another producer, they also leave their stink on it … usually in the form of including in the transfer contract that they are to get a producing credit (and possibly other rights) as well. In a prior job, we actually were pitched a project that had changed hands so many times, it came with mandatory credit to 7 producers who would have had no role in the picture. The company actually passed solely because of this reason (so, for those of you out there who write – be very careful of allowing this kind of stink to attach to your project; and this includes allowing your managers to attach themselves as producers … no one likes baggage in an acquisition).
4) Waiting – Waiting is a common game in Hollywood. When you see someone doing something you don’t like, you usually wait until they are fairly pregnant, because that’s where the money is. Had Fox stepped in the second they saw this occur, the movie probably just wouldn’t have gotten made by WB, and Fox would be sitting on a property they hadn’t developed in decades. BUT … by waiting until WB finished production, now there’s money! Now Fox can see some cash because WB is so pregnant that they have to do something to release the movie. It is possible that WB can make an equitable claim of laches (sitting around trying to maximize the damages), but that’s in equity, not in law; and that’s strictly up to the court.
5) Development and Business Affairs – Development is by NO MEANS responsible or knowledgeable as to the chain of title. They get a pitch from a producer, they like it, they send a memo to B.A. to investigate the acquisition. It becomes B.A’s and Legal’s problem, but it is the legal department that gets stuck with the task. In fact, if the chain is incomplete, the legal department will likely have to try to repair it (by seeking new agreements with people who may appear to have rights in the project) rather than telling B.A. and Development that they cannot have their project. If repair is not possible, then the legal department will have to do an in depth analysis for anyone and everyone who asks, and it will ultimately become a business decision; usually from the intellectual property group. It is extremely rare for the ‘support divisions’ of B.A. and Legal to be able to tell development that a project is too damaged to acquire.
Now – I cannot stress enough that I have no specific knowledge of anything beyond Nikki’s report. I do not work for WB or Fox or any of the other people involved (nor have I ever). From an outsider standpoint; I would suspect one of four things:
1) The WB lawyer missed the part of the chain of title where Fox still had distribution rights; or
2) The WB lawyer missed the part that the agreement couldn’t be transferred prior to exercise and simply proceeded under the belief that WB could exercise the rights and be done with it; or
3) They were told that the quitclaim had been exercised.
4) The lawyer caught all of this, and the business people were advised of Fox’s potential distribution rights. Analyses were prepared, and WB made a business judgment to proceed nonetheless.
1-2 are always possible. 3, while hard to track, would have shown the costs as reimbursable to the producer had he paid them (or budgeted to be paid to Fox), so it’s not likely that failure to exercise slipped through the cracks. I would assume 4.
I do find it odd, though, when studios go full speed at each other. Although they are competitors, there is a need to play nice if you want others to play nice with you. Each studio will need to confirm quotes from the others; they will need to protect and release titles; and they all do business with each other on co-productions to spread risks. An aggressive position such as this is fairly odd.
This is why no one likes companies like Fox. They until now to complain when they’ve had over a year to tell WB off. They’re only doing it now because Watchmen was huge at Comic Con last month and copies of the graphic novel are flying off store shelves and there’s tons of future promotions and such planned that’s sure make buckets of $$
Excellent post from “ClearingSomeStuffUp”, most especially with respect to the concept of chain-of-title.
What I’m thinking is that the key word way back up at the top of the timeline is that Fox had a “license” to distribute material emanating from the original Largo group — and that the key legal questions are (a) how far down the chain of title that license actually traveled, and (b) what the terms and conditions of the license would be if in fact one were still in force.
Fox’s legal theory pretty much has to be that the license still exists…but the down side to that may be that they’re stuck with terms and conditions from way back in the original Largo paperwork. Warner’s legal theory is likely to be that the license parted company with the “Watchmen” IP somewhere along the way, either because it would have been attached to someone’s company rather than the IP itself, or because Fox didn’t meet whatever obligations it might have had to keep such a license in force (say possibly, negotiating proper terms and conditions with one of the successor rights-holders).
If that’s a proper framing of the issues, the case doesn’t look like a slam dunk for either side, and it isn’t at all surprising that summary dismissal didn’t happen.
If there is a big market for Watchmen ancillary merchandise which Warner Bros. or Time Warner controls (and there is) this might be a case where it would make sense to “accidentally” release this movie through pirate channels…
Thanks for this, Nikki.
I wasn’t 100% sure what this whole thing was about (which is dissapointing for me seeing as a run a news site myself), but now I can get my head around the whole thing.
Like everyone else has said, WB and Fox will settle and the film will still be released. Only makes sense considering the film is pretty much finished besides editing and the like.
ClearingSomeStuffUp has it right. Based on the contracts and legal documents that Nikki psoted earlier, it looks like WB either dropped the ball, turned a blind eye, and blissfully set forth producing the movie without paying off prior owners. That’s probably the root of what the Judge is looking at. Playing it fast and loose with copyright law and intellectual properity is never a good idea in this town and even the average “man on the street” will take the time to carefully check title when buying a car, a home (if he can afford one), etc.
warheart – I think you are a off base. The lawsuit was filed in Febuary of this year, well before comicon and Fox has been simply expressing their claim to copyrights and interest in Watchmen and the film’s distribution. Warners asked that it be thrown out, and the Judge expressed that the case has enough merit to move ahead.
This is going to be very interesting.
I am joining the Boycott of Fox until they either stop this foolishness or I see the movie in a theatre. I am going to try to get at least 10 people to do the same, and hope they will get 10 to do the same, until Fox loses the business of the entire comic geek community. Again, this is a reminder to begin boycotting Fox immediately. And if there are any crazed Rorschach wannabes out there who think they can fix this think by taking out some legal personell, please don’t– the negative press would really stop the movie from coming out.
I’ve read much of the material (I actually enjoy reading legal actions when I’m not the one being sued!) and it sure looks like this was a big mistake by WB. Blame Fox all you want, and I also want to see this thing ASAP, but legally it looks like WB tried to pull a fast one and got caught. Regardless of how much knowledge WB had of Fox’s rights to Watchmen, the legal arguments that they are making now are laughable. They are in the wrong and the sooner they pay Fox enough $ to get the film in the theaters the better.
just read through all the legal docs from the other link and it looks like Warners is screwed here. Somebody either messed up or tried to pull a fast one. Either way, they’re fucked.
Rich Johnston and all of the other comic insiders appear to be chortling their asses off, and from their comments, presuming that this mess comes from Dan Didio’s desk.
ClearingSomeStuffUp notes that rights administration comes from the studio side, not the comics side. But as for that post’s closing comment, “…An aggressive position such as this is fairly odd,” one need only look at Dark Knight’s BO take. The political reality is that the need to play nice only goes so far: when there’s a pot of money this big then you take the kid gloves off. (If Watchmen looked like another Heaven’s Gate then Fox wouldn’t have tried to cash in their chit.)
As anonymous noted, Fox is throwing everything they can at this. Remember we are only seeing the Fox arguments; Hollywood has made litigation into a spectator sport.
I also will BOYCOT FOX if they fuck up this great incredible movie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
**EVERYONE** boycot FOX movies untill they stop bitching and leave this movie in the hands up WB!
but i do love a lot of movie that come out from FOX studios!! but i have been waiting for this movie for so long!!!!!!!
I’m joining the Anti-Fox bandwagon. Entirely from a geek standpoint: Fox Sucks! They’ve botched every comic book franchise they own, and now they’re trying to botch another companies. I acknowledge that they probably have a case and all that, but it doesn’t change the fact that Fox shouldn’t be allowed to touch comic book movies.
I am all about boycatting Fox, Just because they have had a bad year, does not mean they should have waited till this time for a merritless lawsuit
Are there any time limits on these rights? Apparently, DC Comics was selling away the movie rights to their properties in the 1980s to anyone who could pony up some money. Michael Uslan bought the movie rights to Batman around this time, and he’s become very wealthy from it.
It also sounds like Warner should be suing Larry Gordon since he “sold” the Watchman rights to Warner. I wonder how much money Gordon made from Paramount when they were developing the property.
There’s Rich Johnston, ever the bitter nerd, taking aim at those who’ve actually found success in life.
Interestingly – and no one else seems to have picked up on this – at the exact same time Warner Bros announced they have moved Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince to July next year, in order to take advantage of the higher revenues that a prime summer-slot yields.
It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that Warner Bros has moved Harry Potter 6 in the hope of adding, say, $50 million to its domestic haul as a way of off-setting the amount of money they expect to lose on Watchmen to Fox.
Dan Zee @ 11:02AM
Re # 1, there are certainly limits built into the copyright code (prior reports on Superman, I think, dealt with that); but putting those aside, the contract doesn’t have to have a limit if the parties didn’t negotiate one. Of course, “termination rights” under the copyright code would trump.
Re # 2 – I answered this above in my section on Quitclaims.
If the Watchmen movie doesn’t get released, I’ll be a lot more than pissed. Stupid Fox! It’s been over 20 years! Most of the executives that got the rights probably don’t even work for Fox anymore! And the Watchmen movie has obviously been finished and is ready to go. Why wait until the last minute, when the fans and eager movie-goers are super-pshyched? The whole thing feels like a ridiculous playground fight: Fox is the kid standing near the last open swing set but not using it. Warner Bros is the kid who decides to use the swing, and then Fox starts bitching about how “they were there first”. The rest of us are the poor kids who have to wait for the fight to end just so they can get one swing. Still, I’m reminded of Joss Whedon’s Serenity film: Fox screwed the show Firefly up so badly that it got cancelled, but Universal greenlit the movie after much protestation from Fox. The same Satan-organized company is refusing to loan out any reels of Serenity for the annual Serenity showing now that Universal has “lost” most of theirs (I know Fox has demons working against Joss Whedon!). If the fans of Watchmen are anything like the fans of Serenity, the Watchmen movie will end up being released, because let’s face it: Fox may have crazy Hell demons working for them, but fans come in larger numbers… cheesy to say and I know it, but I swear it’s true.
As much as I love WOLVERINE, I would boycott and tell everyone I know it sucks because I simply just care a whole lot more about WATCHMEN then WOLVERINE. FOX is just pissed that they made crappy movies this summer and they made shit. Also if FOX ever made WATCHMEN they would have ruined it, they hardly ever make an R movie so do u think they would make 100 million dollar 3 hour movie that was rated R, NO!!! FUCK FOX! I bet AUSTRALIA WILL BOMB, and NOW I KIND OF HOPE IT DOES and MAX PAYNE!
According to IO9 (see link in my name, hope this works) a similar problem happened with the Dukes of Hazard movie. It might take a lot more than 20 million to pay off Fox this time around.
Gah! Someone finally does justice to Moore’s best work (no offense “V”) and FOX has to go ape and jump all over it. Also an X-men fan and was looking forward to seeing Gambit with the rest of the nerd-force but now… now it might be time to back Mr. Snyder. Boycott sounds like a good word right now.
Since I have a legal background but work in comics, I’ve posted an in-depth analysis of this ruling, but written for laymen types rather than people who spent a couple dozen grand on law school.
Tinyurl: http://tinyurl.com/56klq8
Great post from ClearingStuffUp as well.
Frankly the film looks lame and the brain-deads at Warner bros cause the worst and mean the worst people traffic jam at Comic-con with Soylent green type crowds I was knocked down near the booth where Warners was giving away useless crap buttons whatever. If the hype they were making at Comic-con was that big it means the film SUCKS and I hope they get there asses kicked in court.
h0mi, your link worked fine. Great analysis there. Also looking forward to Andrew Steven Harris’ page.
From the outside, looking in, as a filmmaker, and from what I’ve read, FOX does have an outside shot at a valid claim, however, I’m willing to wait until the next step happens, before I start boycotting movies I probably wouldn’t seen anyway. Or at least, pay for….
I take offense at the term, Useless Crap. Someone made a dress out of the Wonder Woman bag, and she looked hot!!!
Fox is an evil entity which has earned the hate from everybody that works in the film industry. What they are doing now could amount to nothing more than BLACKMAIL. They allowed the production to reach a point of no return and not they seem to be litigating with intent to defraud. Judges can be bought, this is a fact of life. Fox just wants to make some free money from a potential settlement but I think any sane judge would throw this case out the window…but this is not about justice, it it?
Why was the movie made if Fox still had rights to it???
I thought something like this would have been discovered before they gave the go ahead. So my questions is who dropped the ball on that one??? Something just doesn’t feel right……with the movie done and ready for release it then Fox is Warner Brothers saying you can’t release it…..someone is lying about something or this could be a ploy of some sort. We need to read between the lines here and find the real reason this is happening. Nuff Said!
FIRST of all,, ALAN didn’t write it, a well known industry female ghostwriter did. She is the only one who got paid, so far.
WATCHMEN RULEZ