Julia Roberts as a guest finally put Dave over the top in late night Tuesday night in the early Nielsen overnights following Howard Stern Monday night. They bested Conan and his guests of David Duchovny Monday night and Eddie Murphy on Tuesday night. And Eddie rarely does talk shows anymore so that was considered a guest "get" even if his movies bomb at the box office. True, Julia can't open a movie anymore either, but she turned the tables on Dave last night and started interviewing him about his recent marriage, which Howard did as well.)
It's the nightmare scenario for GE/NBC Universal that everyone but boss Jeff Zucker thought would happen: the network's cash cow The Tonight Show, once safely No. 1 in the ratings with Jay Leno as host, now can only hope to seesaw in the ratings with Letterman's Late Show. And it's all Zucker's fault. You'd think that NBC would be in a flopsweat over O'Brien's ratings slide during his first and second week as host of The Tonight Show. You'd think that, but you'd be wrong. Now, most network suits would be spending every minute of every hour of every day brainstorming how to make the show more popular. But this is NBC where, when the going gets rough, the executives go golfing. That's right, Conan's longtime executive producer Jeff Ross is getting his money's worth out of his spankin' new membership at Riviera Country Club because he was on the golf course not only two weekends in a row -- but both Saturday and Sunday last weekend even after Conan's ratings began to fall.
June 9th
David Letterman 3.4
Conan O'Brien 2.9June 8th
David Letterman 3.0
Conan O'Brien 3.1This follows the plunging of Conan's Tonight Show ratings from a debut high of 7.0 on June 1st (vs 2.8 for Dave's Late Show), to 5.0 on June 2nd (vs 3.0), 4.2 on June 3rd (vs 2.8), 3.8 on June 4th (vs 3.2), to 3.5 on June 4th (vs 2.7).
Of course, helping Dave is the fact that, just last week, CBS had every one of the Nielsen Top 10 shows in network primetime in this period known as the summer repeat doldrums. And NBC's primetime schedule is, as usual, tanking. (I told you that NBC even got bitch-slapped by Univision in the 8PM and 9PM hours.) So no help there for Conan.
There's more bad news: Advertising Age reported Monday that while "NBC is touting Jay Leno's new primentime program as an innovative, DVR-proof move, buyers say the new talk show will draw fewer viewers than ABC and CBS on any given night, and are balking at paying primetime prices for what they view ads late-night ratings. 'He will guarantee NBC a third-place finish [behind ABC and CBS] in whatever hour he's in,' said Shari Ann Brill, senior VP-director of strategic audience analysis for Aegis gGroup's Carat. 'He will do on par with what he did in late night.' "
Sure, Zucker and his minions keep repeating the mantra that it doesn't matter if Leno's new show gets whipped in the ratings by scripted dramas because "we're managing for margins, not ratings" because the programming not only will be cheaper to produce but also fresher throughout the year when other networks have to go into repeats. That argument isn't cutting it with Madison Avenue. So what is Ben Silverman's supposedly "creative" solution to appease advertisers who don't want to pay primetime rates for late night ratings? He recently told Ad Age "the network would consider offering the opportunity to have Mr. Leno do live commercials, which he suggested would potentially be worth a price increase."
Uh, did anyone at NBC even bother to tell Leno he may become a 10PM pitchman starting September 14th? A throwback holding up cans of Campbell Chunky Soup and bags of Purina Dog Chow while telling viewers how much he likes the products? How humiliating for Jay. He should have taken up ABC on that offer to compete with both Dave and Conan. Especially now that NBC executives have barraged Leno and his people with network edicts indicating the brass is favoring Cona's show, like demands that Jay back off booking A-list celebrities because it would encroach on O’Brien’s turf.
One thing is certain: gone is Conan's all-too-brief honeymoon period with the press. Not even NBCU's PR War Room set up by Zucker will be able to spin this disaster. Because, while Conan's debut was the highest-rated Monday episode of the veteran franchise in four years, June 5th's was the lowest rated Friday episode in 6 months.
In the old days of network TV, a top executive who made such a horrendous mistake as Zucker did would not even wait to be fired: he'd have the class to offer his immediate resignation. But nothing seems to shame Jeff. Though many have tried. Just this past weekend, Marc Cherry reminded a packed audience at the "Produced By" Conference put on by the Producers Guild Of America about another error in judgment from the then NBC Entertainment President:
Cherry said that, after his Desperate Housewives became a huge hit for ABC in the fall of 2003, then NBCU chairman Bob Wright called and asked who at his network had passed on the show. Cherry told Wright that he'd given the pilot script to Karey Burke, then NBC's EVP of primetime series development, and she'd loved it. But then Burke gave it to Jeff Zucker, who passed. "The heat went onto Karey, who was soon looking for a new job," Cherry said. “They were looking for someone else to blame.” And Zucker? That December, he was promoted to president of NBC's Entertainment, News & Cable Group. And promoted again in 2004. And again in 2005. And promoted again in 2007 to his present job.


Conan could always bring Johnny back as a guest — that would be some feat.
I guess Hell has frozen over; a pyrrhic victory at best. Given Dave’s descent into the fever swamps of the left, I can’t bear to watch him anymore. Move Craig Ferguson up an hour and I’m back! That guy is by far the funniest of the late-night comics.
Fever swamp of the left? Somebody was looking for Limbaugh and took a wrong turn.
As for Zucker, he will succeed in turning NBC into the CW, and then worse. That he still has his job is a monument to corporate inertia, and little else. Except maybe naked pix of his boss.
All Stern. This doesn’t just happen magically.
I didn’t come here from anywhere else, I have a functioning brain etc. I just made the unforgiveable mistake of not agreeing with you.
He’s lame, not funny, tired and boring. I used to watch every day, I flew to NY to see two nights back to back in 1985 and didn’t have any money so we walked around NYC all night. I’m a former mega-fan.
He has yet to find anything to make fun of Obama about, so it’s more retread jokes about Bush being dumb, Cheney hunting, and now Palin as dumb, and a slut. Wow, progressive. Oh, and her 14-year old daughter too, classy.
Letterman is a stable and known commodity, even to the Tonight Show fans.
My hunch is that they are switching over to Dave because Conan’s brand of humour hasn’t caught on with them. In the end, Dave wins with an older demographic, while Conan keeps a younger demographic that is a bit fickle.
Why does GE let this guy keep his job?? What a fool – he is running it into the ground – they should assign NBC to the cable networks along with CNN.
Zucker is the worst exec EVER to have control over any network. Welch said he would have fired him in an interview a couple of years ago – failing up to the top seems to be what NBC is all about these days… too bad -When Zucker went into NBC when it was #1 – wow.
Conan is one of the luckiest guys in America and for years he hid out in his cozy-post-Tonight-show-NY-world where no one really cared adn where he didn’t even have to be good. Now he’s big time and he’s showing just how funny he isn’t. Never got him, never will. Letterman’s an institution, but I have to agree with Joe Melnick, Ferguson is one very funny guy and that would have been a bold move to make. As for Leno, he could not be more comfortable in a cat bird seat than he is right now. The whole Conan Tonight Show thing was borne out of fear a number of years ago and it’s proven to not only have been an unfounded fear, but a boneheaded play on the part of Jeff Zucker. The irony is, if they keep Jay on the Tonight show and let Conan go to ABC, instead of Jay being woo’d away which check mates them and compels the completely ridiculous idea of giving him their venerated 10pm hour, does anyone think Conan would have beaten Leno at 11:30, let alone Letterman? And, they could have given Ferguson the Conan slot and probably have done better numbers in the long run. What a collosol blunder… when does GE finally see the truth behind this guy’s mediocrity… and with a guy like Liguori still sitting out there, how can they continue to wait?
What does jeff zucker have on immelt???
Dave and Julia Roberts interview….hilarious! He is unique…in the Johnny Carson tradition.
I’m sure NBC got routed in prime time since they aired the always lowly-rated NHL Stanley Cup finals, so obviously, there was no lead-in.
Then again, that’s not a good enough excuse for Zucker and Silverman. The fact is that Conan has no broad appeal, just relying on about a million or so ardent fanatics. There is no upside.
Personally, I find him unwatchable. He does this annoying thing in between jokes where he’ll do a stupid gesture or tic and mutter some nonsense, all in a lame effort to get a laugh from the audience. And his shtick of acting awkward and affable while interviewing “hot” women just comes off as incredibly creepy and immensely unfunny.
But don’t think the overlords at GE will do anything to Zucker and Silverman. They seem content with mediocrity.
A Julia Roberts on-screen appearance drew an audience???
I’m not going to hate on Conan, but I miss Jay, and don’t care how uncool he’s considered. I still to Conan, though, as I can’t stand Letterman, but not with the same enthusiasm.
Cancel everything else but Letterman, Conan and Ferguson.
Those Kimmel NBA shows are pure torture to sit through. They should show his monologue to captured terrorists.
What are Stern’s politics? Does he have any particular beef with Obama? I don’t have satellite so I haven’t heard him in a few years.
At the risk of sounding like a plant or newsletter responder, I am also a former Letterman fan. I’m not sure exactly when it happened, but he just seems tired now, maybe it was Leno beating him every night in the ratings on the show he should have gotten.
Finally, regardless of politics, leave their kids out of it.
Dave retires in three years. Conan is there for 19 years before reaching the same age. NBC wins the slot for 16 years. That’s why they brought him in.
Craig Ferguson is the best one of the lot – smart, acerbic, candid, highly entertaining with a great comic sensibility and with a gravitas of a man who is well travelled and has *lived* – the latter is essential when engaging your guests.
Letterman and O’ Brien are tired, same hijinks: top 10 lists, animal tricks, in-the-year-2050-shticks etc.
The king of them all is Johnny Carson of course and Leno never did manage to overshadow the former’s legacy.
Thalberg was once the youngest head of a studio.
Then came Zucker as the youngest producer for the today show.
Thalberg has a building at USC. What bldg will anyone name for Zucker after he retires and destroys NBC TV?
Thalberg was a high school graduate. Zucker has a degree in History. The CEO of World Com had a BA in Phys Ed. When will America wake up and at least place someone in charge of a major conglomerate with a BA in Accounting or at least a MFA.
Personally NBC should steal the Stewart Show and move the tonight show to 1 AM where it could revive itself.
Conan like Ferguson is for insomniacs who will laugh at anything including the camera close ups. As for Letterman, how many bad top ten lists can one have each night of the week? Bring back Arsenio.
And we wonder why Hollywood has the reputation it has?
Do the math, people…
Conan’s had the job for a couple weeks. Expecting people to jump on the bandwagon and stay with him isn’t fair at this point.
Leno lagged behind Letterman too at first until the lucky Hugh Grant interview.
I’m not a big Conan fan. I always feel like he’s more focused on comedy lines and reactions to things said by guests rather than actually caring about the interview.
But give him a break.
He’s replacing a guy who was #1 for a long, long time. America needs time to find their new host. Leno wasn’t looking too good himself ratings-wise when he started and HE had YEARS of being the official fill-in host. America was used to him at 11:35 each night and his numbers were still kind of weak.
Conan may be a complete foreign entity to Tonight Show viewers. (12:35a-1:35a is a lot later)
He’ll either catch on or he won’t. But most likely he will. Someone has to be #2. Letterman (shockingly so) has been that guy for a while. He’s insightful and fun so I’m glad he’s snagged #1 back. But with viewers seeming to like everything simple and easy, maybe they’ll come back.
But Leno at 10:00 sure ain’t gonna make it any easier…
There must be some serious panic at NBC today. What did Leno average, like a 4.8 to 5.0 rating, and now Conan has a 2.8 in only week two? Where is the bottom for Conan? Like the real estate market, the bottom for Conan is still a way’s off.
At 12:30, Conan’s competition was Ferguson, who is insufferable. At 11:30, Conan’s competitors are Letterman and Nightline. Conan can, and will, bottom out with even lower numbers than he got at 12:30.
NBC is no doubt already making plans to jettison Leno’s 10pm show and move Leno back to 11:30 in September and get rid of Conan. Now that it’s clear Conan’s a failure at 11:30, they don’t have to worry about Conan going to another network and being a serious threat. He’s damaged goods.
What’s Zucker going to do for an encore? Move the Today show to 2 pm?
Are Fallon’s numbers dropping too?
Late Shift 2.0
How is Leno’s show a “dvr-proof move”?
If you mean my DVR will never capture it, you’re right about that.
Tho I’ve always preferred Dave over Jay, don’t count out Conan just yet. The same happened to him when he took over late-late-night on NBC and he stayed for a decade. As with Jay and his Hugh Grant interview, it can take ONE show to turn it around. Can anyway say “Obama?”
Jay doing live commercials will not be anything new for him. He did them on The Tonight Show (Frito-Lay being one client), just not that often, even though he personally encouraged advertisers to ask him to do them. Most advertisers are still happy to run good old 30 second spots — they’ve become highly under-rated the past few years, but man do they sell stuff.
Fire Zucker.
Fire Silverman.
Pull all cable promos off NBC air.
Subtitle all NBC shows/promos in Spanish.
Conan is not funny. He’s the worst choice for the Tonight Show.
Ummm, really guys? Let’s have this conversation 6 months from now. Retooling the tonight show after less than a week and a half is not going to happen. As lame and tired as the expression is, late night really is a marathon not a sprint.
Also nothing is going to happen until Leno is in place at 10 and has established himself there.
Nobody’s sweating it, Conan’s first week was better than anything Leno’s done in 16 years…he’ll find a steady audience eventually just like Dave has. Besides, Conan’s show is one of the most watched on Hulu as well, meaning his fans dvr, watch online, all the new media stuff.
People forget that Leno did pretty lousy when he just started, it took a while for him to build his…ahem…audience.
NBC keeps marketing this as the “new” TONIGHT SHOW.
Regardless of who is host this is one of their biggest mistakes in this process.
American viewers don’t want an institution like THE TONIGHT SHOW to seem like it’s changing.
This was Leno’s biggest strength, he gave the perception of consistency (and delivered it ratings wise too).
THE TONIGHT SHOW strongest audience isn’t on the coast. It’s backbone is middle-aged middle America and if those viewers wanted edgy fare before bed they would be watching the DAILY SHOW.
While I have said it before it bears repeating, NBC has broken the main and only sacred rule of TV programming.
They “canceled” a # 1 ranked show in it’s time slot (Leno) just so the bosses could play TV god and do a deal or two that didn’t need to happen yet so they could pump their egos.
All at the expense of their shareholders who now own a piece of the #2 show on Late Night.
And there won’t be a lot of Drama Emmy’s to win and Season long box set DVD’s for NBC to sell with Leno at 10pm 5 nights a week so NBC/Uni is looking at long term diminished returns for their overall TV business for the foreseeable future.
PS to Michelle T. – When Dave does retire Craig Ferguson moves to 11:30 on CBS and owns it for those 16 years you mentioned. Middle America loves that Scotsman. I happened to be in Vegas last year at a show of his and those are his people not Conan’s.
Since when is having the host doing commercials humiliating?
I still remember when Ed McMahon was doing a live Alpo ad on the Tonight Show & the dog wouldn’t eat the food.
Carson came over on all fours & ate the dog food right out of the dish!
A tremendous laugh 7 I’ll bet Alpo sales went up too!
Ok, I’m 25 years old and NEVER watched The Tonight Show. I’m talking NEVER. Since Conan took over I’m watching every night. He needs to find his audience, Jay’s audience will not stick around, because its obvious that Jay’s audience = dumb, Conan’s audience = hipper/smarter. He’s dumbing down his act for the Tonight Show, and it would serve him better if he returned to form and also did things a little differently, this format is so tired… But don’t count Conan out. He’s a genuis.
Conan O’Brien can always try a Silver Spoons reunion…
What was the Carson-Leno transition like in ‘92 ratings-wise? Is it really worth getting this alarmist in Conan’s second week?
This makes me once again lose most of my faith in Americans. Jay Leno is the very definition of a hack and he does well every night. Conan O’Brien is one of the funniest people on television today–who else could get Martha Stewart to take a swig of OE 800?–and once he takes over the ratings plummet. It’s sad and ridiculous. It’s Jay Leno lovers that are ruining comedy for everyone. They’re the same people that made Yes Man a hit.
I find it hard to believe Jay’s audience will stick with Dave for the long haul, especially after nearly 17 years of making the decision to go with the nice guy. Who’s the funnier host isn’t actually as important as who’s the more likeable one. That’s the reason Jay beat Dave. And it’s the reason that eventually Conan will, too. He’s the disarming kid in this matchup.
What’s missing from Nikki’s analysis is a reporting of Nightline’s numbers. Yesterday the show got a 3.1. If Conan doesn’t pull it together, I bet many of Jay’s old viewers will settle there. Which is good for news programs, but not great for comedy.
Maybe Conan could try to reunite the cast of Saved by the Bell in-character to give his ratings a shot in the arm.
Conan is also competing against Stephen Colbert for the same audience/demo.
@Harley Both CW and NBC have spectacularly bad programming… but the CW is fun.
Example: The MELROSE PLACE pilot is mindblowingly entertaining. On the other side, HUMAN TARGET is atrocious.
“Managing for Margins.” I thought they were meant to entertain people.
At least money obsessed moguls like Louis Mayer and Harry Cohn understood the value of good entertainment. These bozos at NBC are just plain clueless.
Also… doesn’t Conan now have to not only contend with other Networks, but “The Colbert Report” on Comedy Central, given that both Conan and Colbert appeal to the same crowd?
Agreed with “Joe Melnick” and “Ted Watson”
Letterman once upon a time was wildly genius. Now he just seems tired and kinda resentful being there. He never moves from that desk.
The line up this week has been fitting punctuation to the laziness of that show. Bringing back all the old popular guests from long ago to leap frog in the ratings just seems sad, and an insult to fans. It was such a transparent manipulation of ratings – these guests didn’t even have anything to promote, or anything of interest to discuss. All stale old news. It is not sustainable and highlights the stagnation of that show.
It is ridiculous to say Julia Roberts can’t open a movie just because her last movie tanked. Male performers are given so much latitude. Shame on you Nikki for perpetuating the double standard towards female performers.
However, her appearance on Letterman was painful to watch. Her signature laugh sounded tired and grating, the over blown love fest was forced and irritating whereas it was once organic and genuine. Roberts has developed an unpleasant arrogance of late as well.
Regardless of politics, his shenanigan with McCain, and then his excessive vitriol towards Palin (whatever your politics), were really distasteful and linger.
They should just air the old Late Night shows instead and then they’d really clean up in the ratings. Those shows would hold up today and newer generations don’t know what they missed.
You REALLY care how Jeff Ross spends his WEEKENDS? Come on Nikke.
Joe…
Fair enuf. It’s worth mentioning, however, that Letterman also has a functioning brain, and apparently has made the grave mistake of disagreeing with you. (Politically, at any rate.) This in no way suggests he’s descended into a fever swamp of any kind. Any more than your own opinions suggest you’re a raving freeper hopped up on Hannity.
Right?
Conan clearly feels the heat because he’s now resorting to Leno-style “shut the bitch up” ‘jokes’ eliciting frightening whoops of delight from his miscreant audience.
That was probably the point at which viewers clicked over to Letterman.
Stern is the shit! And Zucker and Silverman are pieces of shit.
Ted, Joe, and “not a plant”
Letterman had a near death experience and a child in recent years.
if that doesn’t change a person’s world view i don’t know what will.
But, I don’t watch talk shows. Not because I’m some snooty intellectual (I love trash) but because the format (monologue, bit, guest/plug, guest/plug, band) is so unbelievably tired and boring and oh my god I can’t believe there’s so much of it about. Does every network need so many of the exact same format?!
Larry Sanders forever.
NBC was prepared to see ratings plummet like this in September when Leno started at 10, they were not expecting to see numbers this low so fast.
Conan is in big trouble. New shows don’t settle into their lows for four to six weeks and his trend is only in one direction: down.
I’m not saying it will happen but it’s possible that one month from now Conan on the Tonight Show will be drawing less viewers than Conan on Late Night.
People keep discussing Leno’s comedy but what mattered was his ratings, which were almost always good enough for first place. Letterman with Julia Roberts NEVER would have beat Leno, ever, yet alone Leno with Eddie Murphy.
Don’t kid yourself. This is an unmitigated disaster for NBC. They need to re-tool this show quickly before the Leno defectors settle in at the other networks for good.
Conan has always been a niche humorist. He’s goofy funny if you like that sort of thing, but has never had the potential for broad appeal.
He was in the perfect place with his old job, a great mistake of ego that he even wanted the chance to fail in Jay’s job.
But then, it took Jay a litle while to catch on, at this point NBC is best to give it a little time. Conan may suprise us all and get his legs under him, but if he thinks he can succeed with the same angle as on late night, he’s quite wrong.
The Tonight Show has to be easy to watch, angst driven comedy won’t work for the bedtime crowd.
Warm milk, Conan. Warm milk.
Anyone think Dave winning last night was in part thanks to his name being splashed all around the news for making a crack at Sarah Palin’s fourteen year old daughter? It had to be worth millions in advertising.
And Stern Zombies, Howard didn’t lead Dave to beating Conan, Julia Roberts did.
I’ve always wondered…why can’t the networks make a few shows that start their run in May (as everything else is ending) and end in September (right before the others come back). Why MUST we have NOTHING in between? Why not have a few shows comparable with say “The Mentalist”, CSI, Fringe, etc…that run during the dead time? Thank God Nurse Jackie seems to be a quality show straight out of the gate.
It is the same thing that happened to Letterman when he went to 11:30 – they are holding back on the fringe comedy that was great for 12:30. Conan is real stiff right now but once that wears off and he opens up a bit he will be back to his old absured self.
Leno was a PR hack to begin with so doing a 10 pm PR job will be nothing new
Speaking as a 29 year old male, I’ve watched The Tonight Show with Conan every night since it launched last week. I have not watched an episode of Leno in years. If there is any problem with Conan’s show, it’s that he has pasteurized his comedy down for the Leno fans, who demand their comedy to be milquetoast. Dave pulled out the stops for guests this week (Stern, Julia Roberts) to dent Conan – Stern was even talking on the show about how all the staffers were telling him “this is the night we have to beat Conan!”. We’ll see how things pan out when the level of guests on Letterman goes back to normal. As was mentioned before, Late Night initially tanked with Conan, only to become an institution. This is just another means for Nikki to vent her fetish for those idiots Zucker and Silver, who I’m pretty sure either ran over her dog or touched her inappropriately when she was younger.
Nick, that’s sorta the problem. Conan needs Leno viewers to keep the show viable. Fair or unfair, you’re the wrong demo for The Tonight Show. And while I don’t know what Conan’s ratings were on the old hour, I’m going to assume they’re not nearly enuf at 11.30.
And wait to Leno’s suckfest starts in the fall. It’s only going to get worse. Yes, Late Night became an institution, sort of. But the Tonight Show already is one. The question is whether or not Conan was the right way to continue that.
It took Conan a while to find his mojo when he started at 12:30.
And the same thing is happening now, the big difference being he’s taken over at 11:30, from someone who was very successful at it. The glare of the spotlight is a lot hotter.
Zucker let Gavin Polone, a manager, bully him into dumping Jay, for his client. And for that, he should be fired.
What the fuck did Julia Roberts and Eddie Murphy do to you Nikki? You need a shot of tequila or something… so bitter.
Has anyone in the history of entertainment ever failed upward more successfully than Jeff Zucker? It’s truly astonishing. His sole contribution to NBC was supersizing episodes back when the networks had (at least a couple of) shows worth supersizing. Yet, business as usual at NBC: the usual gordian knot of development, of gatekeepers in comedy that don’t know their asses from their elbows, that continue to buy concepts instead of characters, that lately just buy anything remotely geeky because somehow that became chic — it’s fucking revolting. And try pitching to these people!! It’s like pitching to a vat of wallpaper paste. Those of us that somehow make it through THAT process get noted to death by people that I wouldn’t trust to give me directions to a gas station, let alone shape my show. They truly deserve their failure. Sadly, it’s not dissimilar at other networks. Nobody has the balls or power to operate from their gut — to champion things that they really believe in — because they’re all too fucking busy pontificating, looking at testing, listening to waaaay too many people weighing in. And the more scared the networks get, the worse it gets for the rest of us.
Maybe the real problem is simply the idea of a host(and a FORMAT) staying on for DECADES.I know, I know, Carson did it for thirty years…but even HE was feeling squeezed towards the end(remember, he actually had his first worthy challenger in Arsenio Hall, the only guy to find his OWN audience in direct competition)Conan’s been doing this kind of thing for as many years as Leno, after all-just later and on a lower budget.Steve Allen and Jack Parr left early, at the top of their games- and they both set their own formats to their own strengths. THE DAILY SHOW and Colbert get a fraction of the ratings of the big network boys… BUT THEY’RE THE SHOWS EVERYONE TALKS ABOUT THE NEXT DAY.If somebody wants to make late night work, they’re going to have to do something new- because the audience itself is going through a “changing of the Guard”…
Dave is washed up and phoning it in. But Conan has also been on a downward trend and even some long time fans think he is unwatchable.
It’s time for ABC to move Kimmel to 11:35 and compete head to head with these overrated/paid hacks.
I guess it’s a function of age, I don’t have the interest in the late-night shows I used to. The first 6 months of Conan’s 12:30 show felt like they were making them just for me, but now it seems pretty pointless. Most interviews with most celebrities are boring and they don’t work as hard on the written material anymore. I also have fifty million more tv options than in the 90s.
Harley: Dave can do whatever he wants but I don’t have to like it. I’m not trying to get viewers to watch me.
For Hank Kingsley: generally, surviving a near-death experience and/or having a child makes a person happier, not brittle, angry and crass. Whatever happened to him drained his sense of humor and now he’s just an aging crank.
His seething hatred of Bush, Palin, Cheney et al has overtaken any thought of being clever, he’s just spitting out attacks without punch lines. If he’s going to tell us over and over how much he hates them, at least be funny about it.
If someone’s funny I don’t care about their politics – Alec Baldwin is exhibit A. If you’re not, then go away (Sean Penn, now Letterman).
That’s right, Gavin Polone manages(ed?) Conan. Perhaps Conan is not such a good guy after all.
Are the people pissing on Conan et al for not immediately winning their time slots the same people who lament distributors yanking movies out of theatres before they have a chance to find their audience? I’m just asking.
Critics care about quality. Advertisers care about ratings. So far at 11:30, Conan has neither. (He had both at 12:30, what happened?!)
To Nightheat500,
25 year olds are dumb. Your arrogant ignorance is glaring.
johnny boy
@ugh
True, true. Geeky probably became fashionable because geeks launch those online campaigns – a vocal minority. And NBC, for lack of backbone or business sense, is now throwing its hands up in the air and letting viewer campaigns decide the schedule.
It’s ironic that execs get into this biz because it has an element of surprise and mystery. Yet, once in, they try to turn it into a science. It cannot be made into a science. You must have a certain instinct and gift, and a stomach for the unknown.
These people know what they’re getting into when they take these jobs. If you’re too spineless to make a decision, or greenlight, then get out of the way. As “ugh” said, you’re ruining it for everyone else.
Maybe if Conan would stop doing crude hacky jokes about Hillary Clilnton refusing to give Bill blow jobs, and Max Weinberg being in a sex offender registry, and showing clips from Late Night where his cock is pixilated, he wouldn’t be shedding viewers by the millions.
Did NBCU lay off its standards and practices department?
Conan might be doing these crude gags to prove that he’s not going soft at 11:30 like Leno did, but instead these jokes and bits come off as crass and trite, not edgy.
Is Conan keeping his own counsel, or is he getting some bad advice?
Conan’s great! So is Letterman! It’s a tough competition!!
“Where’s the old Conan? ”
Exactly – enough with the Clinton “jokes” That was 2 administrations ago.
It’s truly creepy how none of these late night fossils will touch Obama. There’s NOTHING to make fun of? Really? REALLY?
@Anonymous 11:31 said it right that Leno fans are ruining comedy for everyone. Except it’s not Leno fans who made “Yes, Man” a hit, it’s Leno fans who made “Hangover” a hit.
Ted, Joe Melnick, and “not a plant either”:
Your silly political biases prevent you from understanding “funny”. Dave got mileage (read: ratings) out of the McCain ‘incident’, and any other host of a talk show would have also ridden it for all it was worth.
I understand that you may not comprehend anything funny or hypocritical about Palin, but the majority of Americans disagree with you.
But, really, your biases completely fall short when you actually review Dave’s history. He didn’t do Reagan/forgetful jokes until late in that administration’s second term – when ‘the nation’ accepted and ‘got’ the joke, and then he freely went back to the well of those types of joke over the next administration. He didn’t do Bush I/’wimp’ jokes until the 91-92 election – when ‘the nation’ accepted and ‘got’ the joke, and then he freely went back to the well of *those* types of joke over the Clinton administration. He did Clinton/’hick’ jokes until sex whispers became prevalent in that administration’s second term – when ‘the nation’ accepted and ‘got’ that joke, and then he freely went back to the well of those types of ‘hick’ and ‘horny’ jokes over the next administration. Post-Lewinsky, the ‘horny’ jokes became a staple, so much so that he still *regularly* goes to that well today, and it’s 9 years and two administrations later.
That’s not *political* bias – its *staple-joke* bias. He knows what the ‘public’ relates to and he references it. Just like every talk-show host. If, after W’s administration, you don’t ‘get’ the staple reference that ‘W is dumb’, and are, in fact, ‘offended’ by such jokes during the current administration….. well, the bias is obviously yours. Your screeds are, well, extremely silly to anyone remotely familiar with Letterman.
I don’t find Conan terribly funny and was always a Letterman watcher, but after that “joke” the other night about Alex Rodriguez knocking up Palin’s daughter, I will never watch Letterman again. It doesn’t matter if you are a Palin fan or not (I’m not) but Dave has become crass and mean. Watching his show makes me feel dirty (and don’t get me started on that Julia Roberts – I wanted to smack that smug smile right off her face).
Like many posters on here, I’m a huge fan of Craig Ferguson. And if Craig were on an hour earlier, he would attract a huge fanbase. Letterman should have hung it up and given Ferguson the Late Show slot.
ABC could probably put on one of those wind up monkeys that play the symbols and get better ratings than Conan and Dave combined.
What the hell does it matter that Jeff Ross golfs? Too snarky for your own good Nikki. Honestly, I couldn’t care less what the guy does on his weekends.
I agree with Nightheat500.
I am 30, and didn’t watch either The Tonight Show or The Late Show – until Conan took over. I thought Leno was perverted, and didn’t really fancy Letterman’s brand of humor.
Now I have watched The Tonight Show almost every night (except one) since Conan started.
He will win with my generation – but it’s tough that he has to compete against Stephen Colbert.
What I predict is that people might watch one (Colbert OR O’Brien) as they’re broadcast, and then will Hulu the other.
Folks,
I said this once and will say it again about Jeff Zucker…this guy is a little pinhead who is THE mosted hated man on both sides of the country. How GE justifies to keep this buffoon in his current position and allow the likes of Zuxker’s little bitch Ben Silverman to still retain a job at this once-promising network is beyond me. Yeah, what a brilliant move to bring in angela Bromstad in to help with the programming, as she should have been #3 to be shown the door along with Silverman and Graboff. Zucker keeps kissing ass and that’s why he is staying where he is at until GE finally wakes up and gets this moron out once and for all. I feel bad for Leno but hoping his lawyers can find a way to get him out of that contract and he can then bolt to ABC! Conan and Fallon are a recipe for disaster and yet Frick and Frack aren’t worried about their positions at NBC Universal?
When Carson was on drawin 30 million viewers, there was no cable or dvrs.
These shows aren’t relevant and haven’t been for a long time. No one is saying “Did you see (fill in name) last night?”
O’Reilly’s rerun at 11:00 pm is getting 2 million viewers, right on Dave’s ass.
Narcissistic celebraties telling unfunny stories – or my favorite, how hard it was working on a film – just ain’t what it used to be.
Nevermind Zucker not getting fired, what about Immelt? man, I’d be shitting mad if I owned GE stock.
As a former Letterman fan, he IS tired. While I share in another reader’s surprise that Julia Roberts drew an audience, Howard’s ratings are no surprise. Credit for that goes to Howard, not Dave, whose gone the MSNBC route to his great discredit. If he didn’t have CBS’ lead-ins, he’d be dead—like he was against Jay, who was loveable by many but lame.
The notion that people who chose Jay for years while hating Dave would just switch to Dave is just asinine. Dave’s picked up younger viewers like SNL did when Tina Fey made fun of Palin. But like that, this too will pass.
Geeze, week two and the hissing starts. I feel for Conan O’Brien, he starting on week two and already he’s a “disaster”, really? I don’t argue the fact that Zucker and Silverman should have been canned a long time ago–but Conan just started–give him a chance to get going before ripping him a new one. As far as Letterman, well, I judge humor on what makes me laugh. After the travesty of Monday night with Howard Stern–I turned it off before the bad taste in my mouth turned into something even worse. That is why I do not watch Letterman anymore–if I want a bitter old guy yelling at me, I’ll talk to my 90 year old neighbor–at least he’s funny. As far as Howard Stern is concerned, vulgar, irrelevant boors at parties I ignore–on TV, I turn off.
I’ll give Conan more time to find his footing–everybody starts off on shaky ground–a week tells nothing about success or failure.
Hey!
Why has anyone not mentioned the “blockbuster” reality show currently on—”I’m a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here!”
What another piece of garbage and waste of carbon this show is!
The NBC programmng execs are definitely out of touch!
My God – two weeks and you’re already declaring it a failure? What would you have done? Keep Leno and pay off O’Brien, then watch him head over to ABC and turn late-night into a three-way race while cannibalizing your viewership in the process? Or cut Leno loose so he could go to CBS and take over for Letterman when he retires in 2012? This was the best way to keep all the relevant talent at NBC.
It took Leno a couple of years to build his lead, and it very well may take O’Brien that long to do the same. But O’Brien is a young man and a favorite among the aging X and Y’ers who will comprise the money demos in the coming decades. The solution is less than ideal in the short term, but it secures NBC’s late-night dominance for a generation.
Zucker has nothing to be ashamed of – he made the right play.
http://www.snpp.com/episodes/7F05.html
What once happened to Homer Simpsion on The Simpsons, is now happening to Conan O’Brien. (Transcript on the above link) What happened to Homer is that he was a local hit dancing to Baby Elephant Walk during local baseball games. He was good enough that he was called up to the big leagues (Capital City Baseball Team) but failed.
In regards to Conan’s history, when he premiered in 1993, Conan didn’t do very well at all and to the point that NBC didn’t have anyone to replace him so they continued to sign him to 13 week contracts for years before they finally gave him his first year long contract. In short, I think Late Night took off when previous host David Letterman appeared as a guest.
When we look at the past week or so of ratings for Conan, they are clearly in freefall mode and the only thing that will save his career is if he decides that Jay Leno would be best to host the program and pulls the plug on his own show. Some of his band members, including Max, are already missing the east coast. Conan himself is an irish-american who is much more confortable in New York than Los Angeles. However, I do wish Conan luck and many happy returns in his Tonight Show hosting duties.
“If it comes down to a tie on all sides, I’ll take loyalty”
re: Zucker’s promotions – Peter’s Corollary?
Peter’s Corollary states that “in time, every post tends to be occupied by an employee who is incompetent to carry out his duties” and adds that “work is accomplished by those employees who have not yet reached their level of incompetence”.
But given all that has been reported regarding NBC perhaps there are more Peter’s than not?
So, Letterman only won because Conan had the low-rated lead-in of hockey. Mmmmkay. For the sake of argument, I’ll allow that.
But then, what kind of ratings is Conan’s fall season lead-in expected to get?
I just want to add that the Sarah Palin is a slut that looks like a flight attendent joke is not helping her or Dave. But if Dave makes a joke saying that Alex Rodriguez made a play for Bristol Palin, America gets the joke. I understand and accept the fact that Bristol (the teen) is a playgirl who got knocked up, but it just so happens that Bristol got knocked up while her mother was running for Vice President. In the meantime, you have A-Rod, who went through a divorce while dating Madonna, as a playboy who is currently dating Kate Hudson according to a US Tabloid. To me, this is as simple as 2+2=4. The Late Show writers know it, Dave knows it, and the American People know it. Sooner or later, Sarah Palin herself will be appearing on the Late Show and America will tune in.
As for Jay Leno, if Jay and a CBS show were my only options at 10 PM, I would choose the CBS show.
Does NBC even watch their own shows? Conan as heir apparent to The Tonight Show? That statement alone is funnier than any sitcoms they have on the air. The bright side to being in last place, though, is that you can’t sink any lower, especially when CBS trounces Jay nightly at 10pm.
THE LATE NIGHT WARS ARE BACK
AND THE NETWORKS ARE SMOKING MORE CRACK
THE HOSTS ARE OUT TO LUNCH
NOT A JOHNNY IN THE BUNCH
JUST A CREW OF NO-TALENT HACKS!
I’m probably alone on this, but Conan O’Brien was funniest in 1993-1994, when he was a nervous kid who didn’t really know how to do a talk show. Yet with Andy Richter and Robert Smiegel, they produced some of the funniest late night bits ever. Then it slipped into a traditional groove, Conan established this annoying overactng ‘entertainer’ persona, and the show hasn’t been the same since.
That said, he is funny, and though some of his “Tonight” bits have been lamer than I would have hoped, it’s WAY too premature to call his show a disaster. It’s been, what, seven shows?! Come on.
Letterman is the best interviewer in late night because he doesn’t give a crap, but his monologues have always been really lame, the commercial breaks are epically long, and his bits are kind-of lazy. That said, he’s a pioneer and (unlike Leno) the real deal – I’m glad he’s number one for now. But we shall see.
Again, it’s far too soon. But I recall reading a post here on the day The Huffington Post launched in 2005. As I recall, Finke labelled it DOA. And of course, within a few months, the HuffPo disappeared.
So let’s not be too hasty.
Andy Richter is a nice guy and funny writer but he really sucks wind as an announcer, just doesn’t have the chops for it.
Marc Cherry!!!! Love you! Looooove Marc. His HONESTY.
Warren Littlefield will caddy for Zucker again this weekend. Or wait a sec. Maybe Ben Silverman will golf and Zucker will caddy. David Ducovndick, hatter to Tea Leoni, and Ryan Seacrest will be hangin’in the locker room working on some choreographed skit for Conan.
What the good fuck happened to all those NBC Universal development deals? Wait, I digress.
Hearing that Zucker won’t return the calls of one Mavis Leno!
David Letterman. CBS!!!
Letterman has not been good since he stopped drinking. Conan is not very funny, absolutely not. Anyhoo, GE, NBC, BSNBC and whole bunch of them should go down and go down hard.
No matter what the competition was– even if the other channels went black— for Conan to tank on show #7 and drop freefall so quickly is alarming. This is a massive television franchise which had a debut that was promoted ad nauseam last week. The viewers have voted.
I thought it wouldn’t be until show #10.
Zucker and Griffin of MSNBC are best buddies, go figure, because Griffin’s another guy who rides on vapor trails. There is a huge boys club atop NBCUni right now…. how is Ben Silverman still employed!!!!
Because it’s the smallest part of GE, there’s no way for shareholders to really have a say in tossing these ass clowns out onto the curb. Once Immelt is forced out, these guys should hopefully follow soonafter.
If Zucker screws up any more he’ll run out of places at GE and NBC to be promoted up to and they’ll have to look at the public sector. I hear that the Governor of California has a nice office.
Is it too early to declare Conan dead? Of course it is.
But this is isn’t really about Conan O’Brien. This is about Jeff Zucker. And it isn’t too early to call this another failure for Zucker. Look we all know the history of this, and it wouldn’t be happening if Zucker wasn’t a walking disaster. After the network going from number 1 to number 4 and courting number 5 under Zucker in primetime, he has just started touring the smoking ruins he initiated when he announced Leno’s ‘retirement’ on his own. Now one of the two dependable revenue streams for the network just went in the toilet. He needed O’Brien to hold the time slot, he was willing to sacrifice a large section of prime time to try and guarantee that O’Brien held the time slot.
And to add insult to injury, he and Silverman discover that one of their assumptions while hatching their plan to save late night was on crack. Programming for the margins doesn’t work when you don’t get top dollar for that margin.
It almost makes me jones for September when we get watch Leno not make the numbers they are assuming for him. C’mon you all know their estimates are from some fantasy world. Sadly, this train wreck has been going on for so long it is no longer rubbernecking to watch it.
Yes, I get the ‘W is dumb’ style of stock joke, stop presuming that conservative = no sense of humor. If anything it works in the opposite direction, witness the inability of any of the comics to make jokes about Obama. They probably don’t even see the comedy, or if they do they don’t want to upset their viewers who won’t accept Obama as a legitimate target.
Bristol Palin, despite standing on a stage with her mom’s family, is not a public figure. The tabloids and even the networks made her pregnancy a huge story, not the campaign or the Palins. Leave the kids out of it no matter who the politician is.
Jeff Z has dumped a lot of good material over the years. NBC had one of the first half-hour single camera comedies to air, Hidden Hills, and it was finding its niche – it was innovative and fresh and funny. Then Jeff Z – with his usual judgment skills offed the show, just to find in the next season the proliferation of singlecam comedies having a huge success. Jeff is always out front of everyone else. And ALWAYS wrong – he is the original contra-indicator, but he’s a socialist like Imelt so he stays on, and on, and on. What happened to the good taste and decency of old Hollywood – MONEY! Buddha make a miracle and take NBC and GE away from those clowns before the USA is unrecognizable mattress stuffing!
“Johnny Marshall”? Really, Jeff? That’s the best pseudonym you could come up? Either way, that’s still only one person who thinks the Zuck handled this well.
Letterman has been gunning for Palin since she entered the Presidential race, in a way that’s been FAR beyond the usual comedic jabs taken at pols.
He drips and buzzes with hatred for her, and many comments have been offensive and sexist and just dumb. It’s odd to see Letterman look so lame.
Letterman ages himself and loses cred when he does this, as this is what a lot of older, out of touch male personalities usually do towards female candidates, i.e. all the old guys who had a psychotic feeding frenzy with Hillary Clinton during the primary.
The slutty flight attendant comment wasn’t even funny. It’s just easy cheap comedy, and that could be his biggest offense.
You don’t have to be a Republican or a Conan-watcher to recognize this, or be offended by it.
Perhaps more disturbing – compare the extreme venom towards her to the total absence of any jokes about Obama. Comedians hide behind the “it’s just a joke” screen, yet get queasy about Obama jokes.
If it’s “just a joke,” go for it with Obama. There’s tons of material there. Letterman would never in a million years make a joke about the Obama daughters. At least making it equal neutralizes it somewhat.
What this country needs is not another 8 years of ‘Bush-Left’ – meaning the same rabid mindless following but on the flip side of the aisle. Most of the country is down the middle and balance is good for everyone.
When will GE notice that the downfall of NBC coincides with the hiring of Jeff Zucker as an executive ? With each promotion the ratings slipped further.
How Zucker and Silverman still have jobs is one of the great mysteries of the media business. It almost lends credence to some kind of Illuminati-type conspiratorial thinking. These guys are utter failures, and they are destroying…no, wait, they HAVE destroyed a once-great network. Why they ever even tried to push Leno out in the first place is a question to which there is no logical answer…isn’t the first rule of any business, “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”?
I like Conan, but he’s an acquired taste. I like Letterman, though his best days are behind him. I like Leno, he’s a pleasantly mild distraction and can be quite funny — I don’t think everyone should be writing him off so easily in the 10 PM slot.
But I do think even if Leno takes off, he’s going to cannibalize Conan. No matter how you slice this, the early signs suggest that this is going to be a late night disaster for NBC, on top of their prime-time disaster. Let’s see if the right people take a fall for it, for a change.
I like Conan, but his current troubles have to do with the fact that he’s still a 12:30 host in the 11:30 time slot. That was a reservation NBC had about Letterman back in 1992; they weren’t sure if his humor would fly in the earlier time slot. But DL is a professional broadcaster — first class — and he redesigned his show: wearing suits, adding band members, broadening the humor, being nicer to his guests, etc.
I don’t think Conan has figured out yet how to be the Middle America guy at 11:30/10:30. He’s relying on his guests and really lame video pieces. Letterman came from the Midwest. Leno barnstormed the country as a comedian. Conan? Mr. East Coast with some time spent in LA. He’s strictly a ‘flyover boy” and he’s not connecting with Middle America.
Why Zucker forced Leno off the Tonight Show is a deep mystery. Makes no sense. I can’t believe Leno isn’t bitter. He should be.
Zucker and Immelt….two suckers NBC dealt.
I’m simply shocked that there are not even rumblings that heads are gonna roll at NBC. Zucker and company are driving this network into the ground that they will have to struggle to beat the CW for fifth place if they don’t do something. I’m so angry that they didn’t use Heroes or even chuck after the superbowl to reinvigorate either show — what did they decide to show — the office — and what happened — it even got even lower ratings the following thurs after the superbowl and showed no bump in the ratings that heroes could have enjoyed. Now they are not even giving heroes a new time slot or even a lead in but keeping the show on mondays at 8 — and switching it with chuck later in the season — because THAT HAS WORKED ALL SEASON LONG. Leno should have gone to ABC, it’s like why would Leno stay with a network that forced him out when ABC would have treated him with the respect that he deserves.
And people say Letterman is no longer funny……
He still hasn’t figured out that Palin took her 14 year old to the ball game (if he did know, why did he follow the A-Rod ‘knocked-up’ joke with an Elliot Spitzer referral the following night? good job CBS!).
What’s funniest of all is what isn’t being mentioned, that Dave doesn’t even realize his writers are stealing lines from NBC (it was Tina Fey who said ‘I can see Russia from my house, NOT Palin).
Dave’s show was pretty good when he was on NBC, since he came to CBS he’s been pretty lame. I can’t really blame him on doing whatever he can to goose the ratings, especially with Leno (the man who pwned him) leaving and Conan trying to keep it going…..but taking the low road hopefully backfires.
Maybe Conan should insult Sarah Palin and makes jokes about her teenage daughters to catch up.
I know that you hate NBC Nikki but it’s one night. Let’s wait for Letterman to beat Conan for a whole week or two before we start making a story out of it.
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Joe, there was no presumption that “that conservative = no sense of humor”, so please stop inadvertently illustrating that sentiment. I was pointing out that this is nothing new or rooted in a political bias.
Obama is enjoying the very same ‘talk-show honeymoon’ that past newly elected Presidents received too. W didn’t get a ‘joke-connotation/reference’ hung around his neck until at the earliest 2003. At the start of W’s administration, Letterman was still regularly relying on go-to staple jokes about Al Gore*, not W. And after 9/11, Letterman was just as supportive of (read: didn’t make jokes about) W as all other mainstream talk show hosts. When the nation’s general opinion of W firmed up (probably post-Katrina), Letterman did too, and it was *then* that the ‘W is stupid’ jokes began.
Again, that would be in contrast to Clinton, who got ‘hick’jokes right out of the gate, and proceeded to ’sex/horny’ jokes. Because – again – that’s the generally-recognized-public-image that’s the reference of the joke, NOT political bias. Even if you DISAGREE with the generally-recognized-public-image, man, you can chuckle at the joke while also ‘getting’ that you disagree with the image. It doesn’t even require the type of cognitive dissonance that you have to use to make so many other of your own obvious political leanings.
*Gore, remember, was pilloried from 1998 and into W’s first term by Dave and others for his ‘woodenness’ – which he always acknowledged – and a bunch of ‘quotes’ he actually never said, but which were GOP memes. Did that mean that the jokes weren’t funny, because I agreed with the politician being attacked and felt that the public image being mocked was unfounded?
No it didn’t, when the jokes were funny. Which they usually were. And which these recent Palin jokes were, in spades.
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“Bristol Palin, despite standing on a stage with her mom’s family, is not a public figure. The tabloids and even the networks made her pregnancy a huge story, not the campaign or the Palins. Leave the kids out of it no matter who the politician is.”
Laughably wrong on all counts.
Bristol is indeed a public figure. When you are an 18 year old on the campaign trail stumping for family, you are not a public figure. When you are doing so and also noticeably pregnant, you are subject to legitimate scrutiny, conjecture and inquiry about that condition. And when your out-of-wedlock, result-of-reliance-upon-abstinence pregnancy undermines and exposes the hypocrisy of your mother’s political positions while she is parading you around the national stage as an example of said positions, that is a legitimate ‘huge story’, and you are quite the mockable public figure indeed.
Aside from that, Bristol has been on at least 3 different media tours with some new foundation she started ‘in order to bring awareness of the consequences of teen sexual activity’, so she’s pretty much revoked her ‘private citizen’ card all by her lonesome, mama’s with or without mom’s involvement. Bristol herself would bristle at your description of her as a ‘kid’.
Comprise the money demos in the coming decades?!!!!
Secures NBC’s late night dominance??!!
Keep smokin’ the medicinal, boys.
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“…on the campaign trail stumping for family, you are not a public figure.”
Obviously, the “not” up there was an error.
The over-reaction here to a few days of Conan numbers falling is comical.
My mistake. Dave was targeting 14 year old Willow Palin and not Bristol. Still, his joke was aimed at the sluttly A-Rod who is a womanizer.
How do you figure that Letterman bested Conan on Monday? The ratings were Conan 3.1 and Letterman 3.0. And that was with Howard Stern as a guest. Anyway, Ross was probably out golfing because he has nothing to worry about. It’s the demos that count and the demos came out today.I have nothing against the guy, but Letterman is getting slaughtered where it counts the most. Conan has no worries at all. He may have lost the older people who used to watch Leno, but it seems he is gaining in younger viewers and that is where the ad money is.
Letterman is an institution–still watch him quite a bit. Conan was pretty good sometimes on Latenight and so far, I’ve DVR’d & watched all his Tonight Shows –most of which I liked (I’m 31). I also watch Colbert and Stewart.
The funniest to me, is Craig Ferguson–just in standup and whatnot (interviews, notsomuch).
I would agree with most people here, in that I never watched Jay Leno–he was pretty watered down and his “nice-guy” thing never came across that way to me.
I think Conan will be ok, but may stay in a tight race with “old people numbers” with Letterman (DVR numbers, who knows).
Jay Leno at 10 is probably not going to do better than most primetime network shows–but we’ll see.
(and what’s with getting butthurt over Letterman’s Palin/McCain/Bush/Cheney jokes? are you kidding me? Those four were a gold mine—as was Clinton, Bush/Quayle & late Reagan—and Biden is turning into one too).
Like I always say, Conan may be funny at Harvard but he isn’t funny to anyone else. If it wasn’t for Triumph, I wouldn’t have seen his show for years.
By the way, I miss Leno’s “Headlines.”
The tool who said Heroes (which blows supreme chunks) should’ve gotten the post-Super Bowl slot instead of The Office probably should get a writing slot on Lamerman’s show, seeing he has the same capacity for constructing a sentence, much less a joke…
It’s still early. Seesawing leads? Whatever. Conan will build audience against (even if he wasn’t a cultural embarrassment) a so-obviously stale, elderly, over-the-hill, can-we-get-Geritol-back-as-a-sponsor Letterman. Taking the long view, only Dumbo Leno hasn’t seen it, but moving him to prime time was a way to move him off and out. What non-crime scene show lasts any amount of time these days? Can anyone say Leno’s show will be there in 10 years? Five? Three? Where will the Tonight Show be when Leno is a trivia question?
Answer: Still there.
Bwahaha!!
Of all the comments here, coachman’s bit about “Hidden Hills” being “innovative and fresh and funny” is the funniest! It was the poorman’s “Sex and the City!” Without any of the funny. It’s just one of the many shows that Jeff Zucker can be proud of that sunk the network.
I’m watching Conan for now, more curiosity to see how he’s doing that anything. His interviews so far seem better than ones I’d caught on the old show had been. However, his monologue is grating. Someone else mentioned pauses. He stops between every joke, like, well, a desperate comic going “huh, huh?” begging for approval. He comes off as desperate. Maybe he’ll be better in a month, when hopefully he’ll have also run out of skits about moving to LA. The first night was okay, but the talk about the move is just on and on.
To the person who said they can’t believe Leno isn’t bitter? He seemed bitter. There were stories here that he was unhappy about being forced out, so much so he regularly ‘joked’ about it on the show.
As for Zucker, he does seem to have done his best to run NBC into the ground. I still would love to know what Conan and Jay’s contracts promise them, because if all doesn’t go the plan in a few months I’m really curious what NBC can/will do.
It is truly puzzling why NBC gave O’Brien The Toight Show. He is not funny or even entertaining. Letterman isn’t much better. Craig Ferguson is good as long as he doesn’t start resting on his laurels or edging more into the dead art of slapstick. I totally agree with the people who say Jeff Zuckor should be fired on the basis of the ability to his job. But apparently whatever is going on under the table is more important because he still has his position.
Sweet dancing moses! So much negativity and hatred on these boards. I long for the old days of television when every little thing wasn’t analyzed ad nauseum minutes after the end of the show. Just relax and see how Conan does in the long run.
Wait, let me submit my comment in the correct form. I think and just aren’t funny. They are . That’s why I watch . He is the bestest ever. Stupid can’t hold a candle to awesome . P.S. I hate Jeff Zuckor with all my .
NBC is already in FIFTH PLACE now, ever since the CW boosted their ratings with “America’s Next Top Model” and “Gossip Girl” getting ratings higher almost at the same level as some NBC shows.
I think the main problem is that NBC doesn’t have enough shows for people to “talk about” at work or at school. I mean for CBS it’s 2.5 Men and it’s Police dramas like CSI and Mentalist, ABC has Desperate Housewives, Grey’s, and LOST, and FOX has it’s animation sitcoms like Family Guy and of course American Idol. And I already mentioned what the CW has. NBC has nothing, only thing that came close was Heroes and The Office but they’re not really that in good quality to be considered to be a good “talk of the town”-type show.
Personally NBC needs to find someone like an experienced network executive who can help boost ratings a bit, probably bring in a show that people can talk about, not some of these “mini-series” that you turn into a full blown TV series. If not the the NBC can finally see cable and myNetworkTV beat them, which can now be a big possibility.
Conan is smarter and funnier than any other talk show host. I am 49 years old, live in Los Angeles and am well-educated. My three children watch him the day after (thanks to TIVO) and his show is a bonding experience for us. When people give him a chance, they will find him to be a sophisticated, witty man with genuine humility.
Letterman was funny 20 years ago, before he became a embittered old tool for the far left–and I’m not even a Republican–I’m a Libertarian.
I was not really a fan of Sarah Palin, but if Letterman had said made that joke about my 14 year-old daughter, I would have been outraged and embarrassed. He knew exactly who he was talking about, obviously–and only a fool would believe his lame excuses.
Letterman has become as vile as Perez Hilton, I’m sorry to say.