Academy Award-, WGA-, and BAFTA-nominated A History of Violence screenwriter Josh Olson has an interesting screed in this week's Village Voice:
I will not read your fucking script.
That's simple enough, isn't it? "I will not read your fucking script." What's not clear about that? There's nothing personal about it, nothing loaded, nothing complicated. I simply have no interest in reading your fucking screenplay. None whatsoever.
If that seems unfair, I'll make you a deal. In return for you not asking me to read your fucking script, I will not ask you to wash my fucking car, or take my fucking picture, or represent me in fucking court, or take out my fucking gall bladder, or whatever the fuck it is that you do for a living.
You're a lovely person. Whatever time we've spent together has, I'm sure, been pleasurable for both of us. I quite enjoyed that conversation we once had about structure and theme, and why Sergio Leone is the greatest director who ever lived. Yes, we bonded, and yes, I wish you luck in all your endeavors, and it would thrill me no end to hear that you had sold your screenplay, and that it had been made into the best movie since Godfather Part II.
But I will not read your fucking script.
At this point, you should walk away, firm in your conviction that I'm a dick. But if you're interested in growing as a human being and recognizing that it is, in fact, you who is the dick in this situation, please read on.
Yes. That's right. I called you a dick. Because you created this situation. You put me in this spot where my only option is to acquiesce to your demands or be the bad guy. That, my friend, is the very definition of a dick move.
I was recently cornered by a young man of my barest acquaintance.
I doubt we've exchanged a hundred words. But he's dating someone I know, and he cornered me in the right place at the right time, and asked me to read a two-page synopsis for a script he'd been working on for the last year. He was submitting the synopsis to some contest or program, and wanted to get a professional opinion.
Now, I normally have a standard response to people who ask me to read their scripts, and it's the simple truth: I have two piles next to my bed. One is scripts from good friends, and the other is manuscripts and books and scripts my agents have sent to me that I have to read for work. Every time I pick up a friend's script, I feel guilty that I'm ignoring work. Every time I pick something up from the other pile, I feel guilty that I'm ignoring my friends. If I read yours before any of that, I'd be an awful person.
Most people get that. But sometimes you find yourself in a situation where the guilt factor is really high, or someone plays on a relationship or a perceived obligation, and it's hard to escape without seeming rude. Then, I tell them I'll read it, but if I can put it down after ten pages, I will. They always go for that, because nobody ever believes you can put their script down once you start.
But hell, this was a two page synopsis, and there was no time to go into either song or dance, and it was just easier to take it. How long can two pages take?
Weeks, is the answer.
And this is why I will not read your fucking script.
It rarely takes more than a page to recognize that you're in the presence of someone who can write, but it only takes a sentence to know you're dealing with someone who can't.
(By the way, here's a simple way to find out if you're a writer. If you disagree with that statement, you're not a writer. Because, you see, writers are also readers.)
You may want to allow for the fact that this fellow had never written a synopsis before, but that doesn't excuse the inability to form a decent sentence, or an utter lack of facility with language and structure. The story described was clearly of great importance to him, but he had done nothing to convey its specifics to an impartial reader. What I was handed was, essentially, a barely coherent list of events, some connected, some not so much. Characters wander around aimlessly, do things for no reason, vanish, reappear, get arrested for unnamed crimes, and make wild, life-altering decisions for no reason. Half a paragraph is devoted to describing the smell and texture of a piece of food, but the climactic central event of the film is glossed over in a sentence. The death of the hero is not even mentioned. One sentence describes a scene he's in, the next describes people showing up at his funeral. I could go on, but I won't. This is the sort of thing that would earn you a D minus in any Freshman Comp class.
Which brings us to an ugly truth about many aspiring screenwriters: They think that screenwriting doesn't actually require the ability to write, just the ability to come up with a cool story that would make a cool movie. Screenwriting is widely regarded as the easiest way to break into the movie business, because it doesn't require any kind of training, skill or equipment. Everybody can write, right? And because they believe that, they don't regard working screenwriters with any kind of real respect. They will hand you a piece of inept writing without a second thought, because you do not have to be a writer to be a screenwriter.
So. I read the thing. And it hurt, man. It really hurt. I was dying to find something positive to say, and there was nothing. And the truth is, saying something positive about this thing would be the nastiest, meanest and most dishonest thing I could do. Because here's the thing: not only is it cruel to encourage the hopeless, but you cannot discourage a writer. If someone can talk you out of being a writer, you're not a writer. If I can talk you out of being a writer, I've done you a favor, because now you'll be free to pursue your real talent, whatever that may be. And, for the record, everybody has one. The lucky ones figure out what that is. The unlucky ones keep on writing shitty screenplays and asking me to read them.
To make matters worse, this guy (and his girlfriend) had begged me to be honest with him. He was frustrated by the responses he'd gotten from friends, because he felt they were going easy on him, and he wanted real criticism. They never do, of course. What they want is a few tough notes to give the illusion of honesty, and then some pats on the head. What they want--always--is encouragement, even when they shouldn't get any.
Do you have any idea how hard it is to tell someone that they've spent a year wasting their time? Do you know how much blood and sweat goes into that criticism? Because you want to tell the truth, but you want to make absolutely certain that it comes across honestly and without cruelty. I did more rewrites on that fucking e-mail than I did on my last three studio projects.
My first draft was ridiculous. I started with specific notes, and after a while, found I'd written three pages on the first two paragraphs. That wasn't the right approach. So I tossed it, and by the time I was done, I'd come up with something that was relatively brief, to the point, and considerate as hell. The main point I made was that he'd fallen prey to a fallacy that nails a lot of first timers. He was way more interested in telling his one story than in being a writer. It was like buying all the parts to a car and starting to build it before learning the basics of auto mechanics. You'll learn a lot along the way, I said, but you'll never have a car that runs.
(I should mention that while I was composing my response, he pulled the ultimate amateur move, and sent me an e-mail saying, "If you haven't read it yet, don't! I have a new draft. Read this!" In other words, "The draft I told you was ready for professional input, wasn't actually.")
I advised him that if all he was interested in was this story, he should find a writer and work with him; or, if he really wanted to be a writer, start at the beginning and take some classes, and start studying seriously.
And you know what? I shouldn't have bothered. Because for all the hair I pulled out, for all the weight and seriousness I gave his request for a real, professional critique, his response was a terse "Thanks for your opinion." And, the inevitable fallout--a week later a mutual friend asked me, "What's this dick move I hear you pulled on Whatsisname?"
So now this guy and his girlfriend think I'm an asshole, and the truth of the matter is, the story really ended the moment he handed me the goddamn synopsis. Because if I'd just said "No" then and there, they'd still think I'm an asshole. Only difference is, I wouldn't have had to spend all that time trying to communicate thoughtfully and honestly with someone who just wanted a pat on the head, and, more importantly, I wouldn't have had to read that godawful piece of shit.
You are not owed a read from a professional, even if you think you have an in, and even if you think it's not a huge imposition. It's not your choice to make. This needs to be clear--when you ask a professional for their take on your material, you're not just asking them to take an hour or two out of their life, you're asking them to give you--gratis--the acquired knowledge, insight, and skill of years of work. It is no different than asking your friend the house painter to paint your living room during his off hours.
There's a great story about Pablo Picasso. Some guy told Picasso he'd pay him to draw a picture on a napkin. Picasso whipped out a pen and banged out a sketch, handed it to the guy, and said, "One million dollars, please."
"A million dollars?" the guy exclaimed. "That only took you thirty seconds!"
"Yes," said Picasso. "But it took me fifty years to learn how to draw that in thirty seconds."
Like the cad who asks the professional for a free read, the guy simply didn't have enough respect for the artist to think about what he was asking for. If you think it's only about the time, then ask one of your non-writer friends to read it. Hell, they might even enjoy your script. They might look upon you with a newfound respect. It could even come to pass that they call up a friend in the movie business and help you sell it, and soon, all your dreams will come true. But me?
I will not read your fucking script.
I will not read your fucking script.


This is great–so true! But Josh should have known this would happen and just lied to the guy, even if in this case lying is actually the rudest response. It it’s rude for someone to impose upon you, so you can be rude back to him by lying.
I love you.
This thing was stuck in my craw since I read it. I couldn’t put my finger on it until it hit me. All of the writers out there who agree with this and lavish praise on Olson, I ask you this: Would you prefer EVERYONE wrote exceptionally and each script giving to you was a pleasure to read? So with all your bitching you better be smiling because the alternative would be you all STILL not reading the fucking scripts but out of fear that it was something just so much better than you could ever do.
Are you an artist? Have you spent any time working towards becoming a professional in a field? Because if the answer is yes to either of these questions, you must not be that great at what you do. It’s an affront to your time spent practicing a craft to have someone half as talented who has spent little to no time in the profession. It’s hard when someone (and I’m speaking in terms of performing arts now) steps into your world who is better than you. But I’d rather have a thousand great actors to work with and learn from than 10 awful reality t.v. show stars who make me look like an Oscar winner. People who are better than you shouldn’t scare you, they should motivate you. I guarantee that Josh Olson has read a lot of amazing scripts, and they inspire him to do better, not scare him into submission.
*It’s an affront to your time spent practicing a craft to have someone half as talented who has spent little to no time in the profession pretend like they are as talented as you.*
Shaun’s comment completely and utterly proves Mr. Olson’s point that NOT everybody can write. There isn’t a sentence in his pathetic paragraph that isn’t fucked up. “You all still not reading”?? Come on, at least proofread your stuff. Some people write so poorly, they can’t even read it themselves.
For you to think that prof reading has anything to do with righting suggests that you no nothing about fukcing writting.
Real writers don’t have time for that shit. When it matters they turn the script over to some person who one the spelling be in high schol.
This from ann Emmmmy Winning writer
Emmy. Emmy. That’s like the gold star program, right? Eat enough Pizza Hut pizzas or something.
I agree with everything that Olson said, and I’m not even in a position to be asked to be handed a script/treatment.
And I know from what I’ve heard that, yes, many ’screenwriters’ don’t know how to even write a complete full sentence, much less a script. That many ’scripts’ submitted to WGA and LoC are best used as paperweights.
Each script that I’ve written is actually three or four, and I’m still probably not ‘getting it right.’ And the answer is “Yes,” that each script has to be as ‘perfect’ as it’s going to get before being submitted to anyone. Do you want to ruin your reputation before you even have one?
People with credits like Olson, usually have Readers to plow through most scripts before they even geet them handed to them. To trade on ‘connections’ to get something read is usually something most of Hollywood avoids like the plague, mainly for this reason.
Sad, but true. ‘If you’re really a writer, nothing will stop you.’ Otherwise, it’s painful to watch, and worse to read.
I believe all the writers who commented this article should put their time and efforts into negotiating the next New Media contract insofar the residual structure is basically nonexistant.
When the film and television shows start rolling over into “any” New Media format, what you got paid thousands upon thousands of dollars for will turn into a goose egg. It’s happening right now.
Where do you think they are going to get the non union writers for all the webasodes? The ones producers have to pay no health, welfare, insurance coverage nor residuals that are stealing your jobs? Probably that same guy who asked Josh to read his treatment.
The estimate job loss to non union Actors per day is approximately three thousand. Who’s writing these under twentyfive thousand dollar a minute shows? We as artists have to stratagize to not only increase our jurisdiction, but eventually encompass it over all forms of new media.
We need solidarity when our contracts our up. We need to create formal alliances and a unified negotiating front with each other, which includes the DGA, Teamsters, SAG, WGA and AFTRA. If we are to survive the vertical media conglomerates, this is the only way. If one union strikes, we all go out.
Peter Antico / SAG National Board Nominee
Peter,
You appear to be electioneering. If so, I hope that you are an Actor, and not a Writer.
Because you are unable to write a cogent, coherent thought.
I tend to agree with the essence, but in a perfect world this guy will need a kidney from someone who’s script he refused to read someday. That’s how my screenplay ends. AND I TOTALLY DISAGREE with this line; “Do you have any idea how hard it is to tell someone that they’ve spent a year wasting their time?” I’ve written a few scripts that have not gathered much traction but I would NOT trade the experience of writing for anything in the world. The only time wasted was dealing with the HOPE of getting someone like this guy to read it to no advantage. Network your peers. Be in a position were people are ASKING you to read your script.
Steve A – No offense to you, but……….
The dude in question WASN’T HIS PEER. That ain’t networking peers, it’s a Hail Mary, Chutes & Ladder get-me-to-the-front-of-the-line without earning it approach to the industry. It’s also an affront to real artistry and writers who toil in solitude filling the empty page with nothing but their imagination.
Josh’s eloquent, spot-on description of that sequence of events is my daily job – dealing with zero-talent “dreamers” who plop nightmares in my inbox 5 days a week. [They build up over every weekend, too.]
It comes with the job but it means a non-stop, 360 degree assault of ignorant, inconsiderate “friends” and a-holes sending godawful bullshit from their friends, newbies, or hip-pocket “clients” with a better chance of winning the Irish Lottery than crafting a decent story, as well as decades-old retreads from flame-out one-&-dones. All the while they are expecting free development when they themselves have given up on actually learning how to write and/or do the back-breaking work of story analysis and emotional interpretation required to achieve compelling story coherence with commercial value.
Okay, but that still doesn’t explain why he won’t read MY script. MY script is awesome…
Very funny, Hack Daddy. Keep on writing.
I think the varied and impassioned responses stem from a central paradox of the screenwriting biz: we all need or needed that established writer who agreed to help, usually by looking at our script. The business would stop working without those who have fought hard to make a career offering from time to time to help out those trying to break in.
And yet, all writers have the horror story of the guy (usually a guy) who swore he wanted “brutally honest feedback” who was then outraged and offended when you weren’t awed by the brilliance of his work. (Trust me, you will never want so hard to punch someone in the mouth.)
There’s a lot of people who say they want ‘brutally honest’ but who don’t really. There’s also a lot of people who criticize without knowledge and who praise without knowledge. The man above knows when to do both – he spent years learning it.
The boy who asked him to read his work didn’t bother to spent years learning both how to write and how to take criticism. A burgeoning writer and a starry-eyed dreamer with a thought for a quick buck don’t look so different in the early stages. It’s when they get a slap in the face – try to learn, and step back and realize their early work was shit – that the difference becomes clear. I read somewhere that a writer has a ten-year apprenticeship of hundreds of thousands of words typed, erased, and discarded before something real emerges.
It’s when they don’t realize that refinement is required before success that you get called an ass for being honest. And yes, you usually want to punch them in the mouth for being ignorant.
(or maybe that’s just me…)
Sorry, but it begs mentioning.
“No good deed goes unpunished”
Sorry, but it begs mentioning.
“No good deed goes unpublished”
And I thought the world was void of heroes…
Ah! But Fortune Cookies philosophers abound…
I wonder if Josh ever asked a professional writer, producer, director or actor or even a studio exec or an agent to read his stuff when he was just starting out?
Probably did, and has conveniently forgot about those initial experiences…
But he has a point, I don’t attempt to practice law even though I’ve written several legal scripts for TV
Hey Josh – Christian Bale called. He wants his interminable rant back.
I have a different take on a similar request (which I get at least once a week) the would-be screenwriter comes up to me and tells me he has a great idea — he just wants me to hear it. I say, “Don’t tell me. Write it up — even if it’s just one page — and I’ll take a look at it.”
And I never hear from them again.
Because they did not want to write it at all,. They wanted to tell me their GREAT idea and then have ME do all the work. Oh, and split the money with me. In 20 years in Hollywood, not one non-pro who approached me with a “great idea for a movie” has ever come back with even ONE PAGE.
Ahh…
Wow! I love these comments. Hey, something he SHOULD have mentioned is that reading an unsolicited manuscript from a walk on is a great way to end up in a “Hey, I gave that guy that idea” lawsuit.
Read scripts submitted through your agents and managers, or have the would-be screenwriter sign a RELEASE FORM.
Even that two page synopsis could elicit a lawsuit.
This is guy is so arrogant it’s disgusting. It’s so scary that all of these people in hollywood have this platform and most of them are these bitter resentful people. Look at yourself in the mirror guy, your lucky anyone even talks to you. Be grateful someone wants to hear your stupid opinion about anything.
Interesting essay and comments on a very valid point. When a person asks for an inappropriate favor, immature, non-professional people cannot say ‘no’. Instead they get angry, and Do The Favor. He’s pissed off at himself.
Professionals say no. No excuse required.
I am a writer. No arrogant self-important jerk or anyone else can talk me out of it. Nobody needs to tell me they won’t read my script. I don’t ask for favors. I make professional appointments with editors.
C.C.
This is the best thing I have read in years…I love this guy.
Josh, I feel your pain brother… well put.
Great article, and a pretty handy heads-up for anyone looking to break into screenwriting. A great read, this was…
Why does anybody even care about this Olson bit. He is a hack. History of Violence was a pot boiler at best (I worked on it) and he only wrote this piece to increase his profile.
Writers and comedians ARE DICKS.
Why do you think they can spend endless hours on their material? Nobody likes to talk to them.
Besides, be a man and just say, “Hey, good luck and all, but I need to screw my girl tonight and I don’t have time to read it.”
Man up and stop writing passive aggressive screeds.
Vigo M. would be laughing at you -
Fact: scripts are almost ALWAYS horrible. Great writers are exceptionally rare. Just as great actors and directors and painters and composers are exceptionally rare. Very few people have it in them. And apparently an equally miniscule number of people are incapable of seeing just how badly they write. 99.9% of people can happily eviscerate a movie as total crap and then go on to write something so much worse, completely blind to the ugliness of their hack-asses.
And so, when you say yes to reading a script, you are going to be reading something really awful 99.9% of the time. The problem is (as Olson suggests) there is NEVER anything to be gained by being honest in this regard without gaining an enemy for life. It’s not worth it. I’ve learned the hard way. You don’t know who they know nor how vengeful they may be. No matter how generous your intentions, there is simply no good reason to to tell the truth. You just have to say it was wonderful. In fact, the worse it is, the fewer comments I give: “Great work! I see tremendous potential. Keep going.” Full stop.
If it’s not great, who cares. The industry will crush the untalented writer’s dreams soon enough. And in the very rare instance that the script is wonderful, you can reward them by referring them to your producer friend or your agent or inviting them to dinner and telling them not to stop writing because they truly have real talent.
Of course, the safest way to avoid the trap is simply to refuse reading them at all. Sounds like Olson will take this route from here on out. A profound weakness of character usually prevents me from saying no to writer’s requests, but experience has confirmed the only option thereafter is to tell them how awesome it was…even though I can usually only bear to read the first and last 10 pages of such completely offensive dreck. And that is the truth.
I am awestruck by the amount of people who believe that those who’ve become successful owe them something. What are these people, film school grads?
He should have praised that synopsis… He must’ve forgotten that Hollywood is the only place on Earth where you can die from encouragement.
I swear, Josh, I’m going to reprint this on the back of my business card in teeny tiny type.
genius!
That’s because you are reading porno scripts – if you read non-fucking scripts you’ll be ahead
Best thing I have read all year.
You are an asshole.
How did you you break into the biz? Someone gave you a chance.
History of Violence is also the biggest piece of shit I’ve ever seen.
Wow Andrew, really? It’s the “biggest piece of shit” you’ve ever seen. See many movies?
Ah, Andrew…so it was your synopsis, huh? You don’t sound bitter.
@ Andrew
Dear Andrew, he gave the guy a chance. He gave him honesty. He was handed poo-covered toilet paper and asked for honest feedback on poo. He tried to be nice to Mr. Poo and avoided telling him the truth as the truth would have itself told. Instead he offered a less direct form of honesty as a moral compromise, but Mr. Poo did not want honesty. Mr. Poo wanted a professional to make him feel good about himself and his work. And his work was bad not just by professional standards but by Mr. Poo’s OWN standards since he rewrote the composition before receiving feedback.
Now, a middle-ground answer would have simply been to tell Mr. Poo to work on his synopsis for a few months and then send him another draft to read. That might have been a clear enough message that the guy had put poo on paper.
Mr. Poo exhibited something I’ve witnessed before, perhaps even done before without knowing it. He favored the cheers and back-slaps of his friends because they told him what he wanted to believe, and he disfavored a professional opinion because it told him what he didn’t want to believe.
Whatever the analysis of Mr. Olson’s work, everybody needs a chance. But a professional can’t give their approval to something that is awful, and anyone who makes that professional look like the bad guy IS the bad guy for doing it and being oblivious to their own lack of ability.
Yes, someone gave him a chance, and his work was worth it so he went on from there. He gave this guy a chance, and not only was their work not worth it, they didn’t actually want his advice on how to better, just undeserved validation.
History of Violence is the least of his worries. He *wrote and directed* Infested, which has a 2.9 on IMDB. Similarly, most of the other movies he wrote range from mediocre to garbage.
I actually really liked History of Violence.
Good movie
Viggo Mortensen, Ed Harris, the lead woman role, even the kids were good.
Actually, thanks for reminding me of “History of Violence”! I loved that movie and I’m going to watch it again tonight.
FYI, I believe this blog entry is supposed to be somewhat tongue in cheek. The guy clearly cares about helping others, otherwise he wouldn’t have a stack of friend’s scripts on his night stand and he wouldn’t have taken this 2-page synopsis and agonized over it. He’s blowing off some steam in a humorous way with this post, while trying to also give other people a peak at what it’s like to be the guy who’s constantly asked to “read my script”. So dude, calling him and asshole? Maybe it’s time to loosen that necktie a little bit.
I couldn’t have said it better myself. I may have to print this out and use it as my home page.
Uh, I did that when I first met Frank Darabont many many years ago. He was extremely polite in turning me down. I’d like to go back in time and kick my own ass for that, particularly now that people ask me practically once a week to do the same.
Your stuff still sucks.
Nikki,
Thanks for posting this, very helpful. Will save to my desktop and use in the future when put in similar situation.
I love you, Josh Olson and feel your pain. I work in accounting on a hit TV show. You would think I was safe but I have been asked to read scripts from friends, relatives, friends of friends etc and it always ends badly for one simple reason – MOST PEOPLE CANNOT WRITE! The sad thing is they all think they can.
So do you think the reverse is also true? If I think that my writing sucks, then maybe it’s actually good? If that’s the case, I should write a screenplay!
I agree with Susan. I was a low-level production assistant many years ago when I moved to Hollywood and got hundreds of calls from friends-of-friends who thought I was “connected” enough to help get them work. When I couldn’t/wouldn’t help them out, I never heard from them again.
Years later, when I left L.A. after being a multi-Emmy-winning editor, I still encountered dozens of people trying to piggy-back on my knowledge and skills.
Now, today, people will often ask me to edit their projects for free, by promising to give me a piece of the cut if it sells. (Meaning, “I shot this shit, but don’t know anything about shooting and need a pro to fix it so I can shop it around.”) Really? You want me to work for your for free? Will you come clean out my cess-pool in exchange, because it really needs a good pumping? No? How about clearing out the rain-gutters on my house, I can’t reach up there? Really, no again? Well what skills DO you have that you can do a trade? Oh, legal work? For free? Medical procedure? for free? Haircut… oil-change… laundry service? No? Then why do you expect ME to offer MY skills to you…for free?
So, does that mean you won’t read my script? I’m not really clear on that.
what a complete and utter douche. either have the testicular fortitude to say that you can’t/won’t read it, or be a decent human being and be flattered by the individual’s request.
no doubt someone took a chance and read your first script, and if everyone had the same policy, then how would anyone get discovered?
also, calm down about history of violence. it was based on a graphic novel. all you did was color inside the edges. and it was overrated. cronenberg made it a pretty good movie to watch if you have 2 hours, but let’s not overestimate ourselves.
i get that you’re busy and have many to read, but get off your horse. you can be replaced by thousands and thousands of people and if you’re foolish enough to think this letter is cathartic or makes you look cool, then you’re beyond saving.
I wish you (commenter “are you kidding, tool” would have left your name. You are right on. Best comment in the section.
Right on. This Olson is a tool. I am sure he worked harder on this shit than any film he has been OVERpaid for.
“are you kidding, tool” calls it correct… though I enjoyed the tantrum as unselfconscious spectacle.
And let us not forget, there are many well-paid, very successful screenwriters in Hollywood who, in the grand scheme of skill, as as many of them even realize, ain’t really writers. George Orwell is a writer.
Finding yourself well above the baseline delusion drivel ain’t finding much.
“it was based on a graphic novel. all you did was color inside the edges.”
If you truly believe this, you have no idea what you’re talking about. No matter what you think of the movie, nobody with any experience in the business would characterize an adaptation of a graphic novel as requiring no work.
True enough. Not only that, the graphic novel for HOV was very different from the movie. In my opinion, the movie was actually superior.
That said, I’m still torn between whether Olson is dead-on or douche-tastic. Maybe a little of both? Nothing is more annoying than someone who wears the asshole hat as a badge of honor. I guess he’s right, but he could calm down a little and say it more thoughtfully. Then, when someone asks him to read a script in the future, he could turn them down and hand them a card with a link to his posting. And then, he would cease to be the king of Douchistan.
@ clueless:
i’ve read both the graphic novel and the script, and was it an easy feat that anyone could accomplish? no. but was it such an extraordinary work that he should pontificate to the entire industry that he isn’t to be bothered? no. i enjoyed history of violence, i just wouldn’t put it on any lists.
he had the story, characters, arc, tone, setting, style, dialogue, visuals…i mean the easiest thing to adapt is a graphic novel, please tell me you agree with that – or at least the easiest to sell?
also, how many scripts could he possibly have by his bedside to read?
i completely understand the non-zero-sum predicament you’re put in when someone asks for a favor of that kind, but i do not understand anyone who supports this kind of a response
Come on, man, you’re obviously too good a writer not to recognize – and yes, even appreciate – the satirical tone of the essay.
Are you kidding, tool? has hit the nail right on the head. Maybe Mr. Olson will reconsider his opinion when he’s on the downslope and has won the Joe Eszterhas Award.
Are You Kidding, Tool? Your post was vastly more brilliant & spot-on than this self-impressed asshat’s ‘clever’ op-ed! Stay classy, Josh Olson, and enjoy it while it last…..’cause it never does.
agree with that – get the point J O is making but yeah, this kind of arrogance is just dull
I’m sorry Are You Kidding Too and friends, but YOU are the ones who are off-base. Speaking as a writer who’s (deservedly) had his stuff kicked down the street, and also as a radio producer who’s had waaaay too many voice demos shoved in his face, I think Mr Olson’s article is bang-on. It’s better to get it straight and learn than to have sunshine blown up your ass and walk away a bad, self-satisfied writer. There are plenty of professional script editors out there: if you want feedback, they’re the ones to talk to.
Well Andrew, then it’s pretty safe to say that you’re an asshole too then. Right?
Personally, I’d rather work with an asshole (aka professional) like Andrew B than someone who pussyfoots around and doesn’t tell it like it is.
For as perceptive as you seem to be, I feel like you missed the point entirely. If someone asks you to do for them what you do professionally, and then makes you out to be an asshole when you do it- and you know that more often then not this is going to happen when the next eight hundred people do it- you’re probably going to start being leary of extending that courtesy after a while too.
I think that would be true for any profession. Hell, if you work at McDonalds and somebody asks you to make them a hamburger- for free- on your own personal time, would you rather tell them no and be called an asshole; or go fire up the grill, get the ingredients, and make them a great hamburger only to then have them call you an asshole and throw it away because you didn’t put the kind of pickles they wanted on it? And then to top it off, now people are criticizing your french fries because you’re the asshole who won’t make free hamburgers on your own personal time anymore.
So, now that I’ve lost everyone with my wildly irrelevant analogy, I will wrap it up by saying this. Obviously I’m a shit writer (as evidenced by the diatribe above) but I don’t need to ask Mr. Olson to take some time out of his personal life to tell me so; and it would behoove others to employ some honest and maybe a bit hard to swallow self-reflection before asking a professional for an opinion they don’t really want to hear.
I dunno. Running off on your wild tangent amused me far more than most of the more eloquent but also more self-righteous comments.
For such a criticism of writers and writing, I thought Josh’s letter could have used some very serious editing. It was way too long, meandered, characterizations were sloppy, completely lost me in the middle as a result, and it came to a really unsatisfying conclusion.
This is fucking awesome.
this guy has quite a fucking attitude for somebody whose whole fucking career was based off of one piece of material that he wrote with other fucking people.
maybe he’d have time to read more fucking scripts if he didn’t use his time writing snotty trash for DHD.
There are only three types of people in this business: 1) Those who are critical 2) Those who are cyncial 3) And those who are both.
The goal is to do busines with category 1. Always. Unfortuantely, Josh Olson falls into category 3.
Somebody needs a vocabulary expansion.
I applaud him for this. I’ve been involved in countless horror stories regarding this very subject.
I will not read this fucking essay.
by far the best writer in here
Quite enjoyable…you gotta gift!
“Why he will not read your fucking script,” or “Why I fucking hate myself and my inability to deal with guilt issues like an adult.”
Yeah…the further I got into the essay, the more this thought started echoing in my head too. This rant was a juicy psychodrama release, but maybe he needs to talk to someone.
Anyone who knows Josh Olson knows he is indeed a dick. Not because of this particular story (in which he is completely correct, by the way) but because he is indeed a dick. He’s a hacky horror writer who got lucky with A History of Violence. Real lucky. Oscar nominated lucky. Followed by his absolute ruining of Batman (Jesus, his story sucked) and supposedly some movie he’s supposed to be directing, 5 fucking years later after A History of Violence.
He’s a hack. And he’s a dick.
And everybody knows it.
His Wizard of Oz thing was awful too. This was good though. Maybe the best thing he’s written in years.
You’re right about his OZ script. Really bad writing. How ironic that he says you can tell bad writing off one sentence in this piece. I thought the same thing reading the first line of that script. And then the second, third and so on. Ugh…
“Famous” has nothing to do with talent which Josh has to burn. Not everyone thinks he’s a dick. Some of us think he’s awesome. One of the nicest, most honorable guys in the biz. Only a bitter loser would say the writer of History of Violence “got lucky”. Clearly, you know nothing about writing.
Writing screenplays is one thing. Writing non fiction essays in your own voice a completely different and more taxing task.
Given Josh’s verve and clarity above… this guy can fucking write.
The commentators who trash him can’t.
I know who I’m listening to
Suck up a little more you douche bag…looking for an assistant job i suppose?
I do know Josh and although I haven’t seen him in long while he is not a dick. He’s passionate about writing and God forbid he’s got an opinion! He was obviously tortured by this guy. But most of all I don’t take any of this seriously. I got a laugh. We’ve all been there. It sucks. So lighten up people. Just the fact that this has generated so many comments is testament that it’s good entertainment. Thanks for the read Josh, you douche bag!
Wonderful! Er, “fucking” wonderful!
pompous prick.
big article for a guy who is famous for all on ONE piece of material.
As a writer who has written more than eight movies, books, and more than five plays I find this quote evident of Josh Olson’s atomic attempt of being on the last Entourage show. This quote shows his failure to understand anything about writers.
“Which brings us to an ugly truth about many aspiring screenwriters: They think that screenwriting doesn’t actually require the ability to write, just the ability to come up with a cool story that would make a cool movie.”
Let’s rewind that if you are an aspiring director. Don’t make films that no one will ever see.
Until Gwen (2009) (announced)
Infested (2002)
… Aka Infested: Invasion of the Killer Bugs (USA: DVD box title)
Puppy Love (2001)
Don’t go to film school to learn how load the avid machine and make your actors cry.
Don’t see Steven Spielberg’s first Indiana Jones films rent Puppy Love.
If you want to light a scene don’t use a 60 watt bulb without a green filter. Just shoot it like Josh did in Infested.
As someone who wrote about screenwriting, and attempted to teach aspiring screenwriters. I find this arrogant, Oscar winning, suck ass bitch appalling in his approach to an aspiring screenwriter.
I HOPE THIS WRITER he just put down becomes a studio exec ala the Muse movie and totally fucks this guy over.
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LMAO – now that’s a response!
Were your 8 movies and 5 plays written with a similar degree of grammatical and punctuation mistakes?
“Don’t go to film school to learn how load the avid machine and make your actors cry.”
Regardless of what I think about the sentiment of your response, I shudder to think you were teaching writing to anyone. Olson is correct about one thing: not everyone is, or should be, a writer.
So, you’re saying you’ve written 6 books…?
You’re a moron and a horrible writer.
Reading your sentence, “atomic attempt of being on the last Entourage show.” hurt my brain.
You teach writing? How? That was incoherent…
Why doesn’t he just politely say he’s too busy? Why is someone asking a favor the asshole – he’s allowed to politely decline.
This makes him sound like such a jackass. That and he’s whining about having to read a script when none of us care what is considered an inconvenience to a rich, leisurely screenwriter.
One word – fucking brilliant. Okay, two.
And I’ll never ask you to, John. But the fact is that every working screenwriter in town was once a neophyte who in most cases managed to get their work to somebody in the business who liked what they read and believed in the newbie’s talent — and often that “somebody” was a gainfully employed screenwriter — somebody not unlike yourself, John.
You are extremely talented, dude. I LOVED “History of Violence” — an absolutely brilliant movie. But the fact remains that you are some day going to be an out of work screenwriter… maybe next year, maybe in thirty years, who knows… but it is going to happen, John — it always does — the phone stops ringing for everyone eventually — and when it does, I promise you, you are going to be, like Blanche Dubois, depending heavily on the kindness of strangers.
Uh filmklassik..his name is JOSH
um…
Josh.
his name is Josh.
That was a great article; and I loved that you wrote it.
No one who asks for “honest criticism ” really
wants it, and even when you try hard and try
and put things in a nice way…they still think you are
a jerk. Bravo!
I was once asked to pass on a script to a producer,
just because I knew the man. I got all this build up
about how great it was, and I replied that I do not
pass on anything that I have not read.
The writer was fine with that, he said. I read it,
it was awful. I said I would not, could not pass it on,
and I heard all kinds of crap was being said about me.
Then, the mutual friend asked if I would give feedback so
his friend could improve. I said no, because I do
not teach screenwriting, and who cares what I think
anyway: if he really thought it was that great then he could get
it to that producer himself. Guess he did not, but I am still that bitch
that did not pass it on
Good for you. I completely agree and will not forward anything to anyone that I haven’t read. That’s a reflection on me, my taste, and my professional opinion.
As for Josh’s article…LOVE IT. It’s the bane of my existence. I do try to read everything that my “friends” give to me…but seriously, I have a copy paper box filled with shit I haven’t had a chance to read (since last summer)…but I keep kindly calling them to say, “I promise I’m gonna get to it”…but you know I do have a REAL job, too! F*%^@#!!!
For folks who think he’s a prick because everyone needs a chance, I say, stop sucking your own ego and be honest with yourself. If your screenplay, or TV show idea is truly that good, go talk to your agent and they’ll get you a meeting. Oh what? I’m sorry, you don’t have an agent?? Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Yeah, I see.
When I came here to write I never understood why so many people – especially Producers (and self-loathing writers themselves) disliked writers so much. Now I understand. Thank you, Josh.
Great read! No one has ever said it better.
gotta love screenwriters. Everyone shits on them, so they just shit on each other.
he wasn’t shitting on another screenwriter… he was shitting on a wannabe. big dif.
For the record, every screenwriter started as a “wannabee.”
Also for the record, most of those wannabes never get within a sniff of professional writing. Because they suck and haven’t got a clue.
Like any produced writer, I have lived through what he’s describing. On the other hand: the piece is terribly written and goes on and on and on. So, no, Josh: I will not finish your fucking essay.
@ Joe Gillis
The amusing part of all this is that he’s not writing for writers to read, he’s writing for the rest of us to read. As a non-writer, I thought this was very entertaining and well-written.
As a non-writer, I found this rather pathetic and adolescent. Josh needs to learn to keep his emotional, incoherent ramblings to himself, his therapist and perhaps a private blog. No one wants to here about his “problems” with ambitious people who have a dream.
What’s funny is that more people need to adopt this ideology. Hollywood more than ever needs better gatekeepers, who are in most cases professionals that read their no-talent friends’ scripts.
When asked to read the script of an aspiring writer acquaintance, my new policy is to give them an assignment. I tell them I will be happy to read their script if they first send me a one-sentence log line, a one-page synopsis, and a brief essay explaining why they chose to write this story. No one ever does.
TT, that’s brilliant! And necessary!
If a writer can’t summarize his/her own screenplay in a page, he/she had no business writing it in the first place.
Hats off.
Thanks. The intention is indeed to weed out those who aren’t serious. If anyone ever steps up and takes the assignment, I will be VERY curious to see what they write. Even if it’s bad, I will at least be able to talk to them about improving their craft while maintaining their passion.
Dude, if you gave me that option I’d use it in a heart beat- I guess those people really don’t want to be writers.
Hey TT, I could and would do that. In fact, if a guy I asked to read my stuff and he responded as you have I would be very happy to do so. How many words in the Essay? 1000? 2000?
Come to think of it, I HAVE done this before. My school offers a 5k screenwriting scholarship every year with entry requirements not dissimilar to your own. I won because, well, apparently not too many other “writers” could manage to come up with 3-5 pages of material about their 120 page screenplay.
Not sure if the comment posted — sorry if it repeats:
Hunter, I tell people that the essay can be anywhere from half a page to a full page. But honestly, if someone wrote a single sentence like, “As a film goer, I long for good stories with strong characters, so I wrote one,” or “I believe that this story has the potential to unite the world in peace and harmony,” I could at least recognize an artist at work.
The big red flags always have writing on them that reads, “I see all the shit movies that get made and I know I can do better.” Never read this person’s script. By the time you finish, you will have murdered a small part of your soul.
Well said, indeed!
TT’s comment is perfect and professional – you CAN achieve a balance between professionalism and the creative process. I don’t know how many times I’ve heard the phrase, “If you can’t write a decent logline or synopsis, you can’t expect people to read your script”. It should be tattooed on many a writer’s skin! The concept of ‘do something for me, and I’ll do something for you’, keeps the tone of the ‘relationship’ on an even keel as well. Doesn’t surprise me at all that very few folks actually complete the assignment.
Well said TT.
This is the perfect solution! Genius…thanks, TT.
I have on two occasions availed myself of TT’s services and can assure you he is a scholar and a gentleman whose talent matches his professionalism.
Hats off indeed.
well put Josh Olson
He’s lookin’ at you Craig Mazin. Olson’s flame just burns to bright, don’t get near him lest you get burned.
Brilliant
I hope you thanked the pros who read your scripts and gave you feedback when you were on your way up.
What you wrote here was funny, and in many ways accurate to the way many of us feel… but the way you worded it just makes you sound like a self-aggrandizing douche. Congrats if that was your intent.
You are a very important person. We all get it.
My favorite comment so far relates to the idea that this guy should be flattered that someone asked him to read their material. OMG! Are you kidding?
Loved this!!!
THANK YOU FOR WRITING WHAT SO MANY OF US FEEL!!!!!!!!! I am so tired of people asking me to read their scripts… and the shady tactics they employ to get their scripts into my hands. I’ve ruined many “friendships” because I haven’t had time to read their scripts amongst the massive pile already on my desk for work. I am going to start using your tactful response, “I will not read your fucking script.” Love it!!!
Well, you had time to read this essay and write a report on it, it seems. So much for those “friendships” you ruined…
I think I prefer this approach, but I still like the stock comment I came up with years ago for something constructive to say about material that has no redeeming value:
“Nice margins.”
Chris In NM, now I remember you! You’re the genius who came up with the classic “Nice margins” joke. Wow! You must be like a thousand years old.
AMEN! I WON’T READ YOUR FUCKING SCRIPT EITHER!
Are you serious?
Josh is a A-hole! All he had to do was say, I am not taking on any script requests right now. THE END.
Instead, He is FULL OF HIMSELF and thinks he is so clever! He is a mean stupid jerk.
Good for the guy that asked. He took a chance.
You are right. I am a “successful” writer and it only took a few “courtesy reads” to discover that it’s a lose-lose situation. So what I do is, I say “I don’t read anyone’s scripts.” If they need more, I say, “For legal reasons, of course.” And I usually get a “Oh right!” nod. Then of course if a very close friend wants an opinion…..I say the same thing. Because you cannot win with this.
This guy takes himself way too seriously. He’s resentful that people dare waste his time. Hollywood does strange things to one’s ego.
I literally fell to my knees and broke down and cried when I read this. Could it be true– Someone in Hollywood has a point of view?
Zackery, you literally fell down on your knees and began literally crying? Literally? Literal tears and everything? A full on literal break down? Really? Either you’re a shitty writer who doesn’t know what the word literally means, or you should probably seek therapy.
I figuratively laughed so hard that hot coffee spurt from my nose. I may have to sue DHD since there’s no warning label about that.
Fronk O – LOL this kills me..(figuratively) haaawee! Nice..
I think same goes for writer (shitty and in need of therapy to deal with people issues ) oh and then he could pick up an English Comp class to deal with preposition issues..
but what the hell..we all make mistakes….
Gosh when I think William Faulkner wrote screenplays…Raymond Chandler…but then..they were probably difficult…
but they could write!
This guy is no Picasso, that’s for sure. And let’s be honest: screenwriters in this town don’t make it through years spent honing a craft, unless that craft is inserting yourself into the right place at the right time, or tossing salad. If being in the right place at the right time or otherwise tossing salad makes you a professional, then this guy is a professional. What a douche.
I won’t read strangers’ scripts either (just too litigious nowadays) but I don’t feel the need to go public with it. If people thought Olson was a dick before, now they know it. Josh, if you wanted publicity, maybe you should have been an actor. You’re certainly dramatic enough to be.
This essay makes you sound like a whiney child, who doesn’t know how to stand up for himself. Get a fucking backbone! Just say no, and move on! Everyone who “finds themselves in this position,” is taking themselves way too seriously. There are worse problems in life than being asked to read a bad script. Get over yourselves.
Yep, people asking your opinion is the price you pay for success, don’t be a dick about it.
And, if Josh can give me back the torturous thirty minutes I spent watching the shitty third act of “AHoV” I will promise never to ask his opinion on anything.
Thanks, Josh. A brilliant piece on a controversial subject. I agree that aspiring writers need someone to champion them. But, out of 100 screenplays, maybe one is well written. the others clearly lack writing ability, interesting story, and talent. So, I don’t look forward to reading screenplays just cause someone asks me. I have had people get pissed off when I won’t, but I could care less. I’ve read more than my share of screenplays and that’s time in my life I never get back.
So, cheers, Josh. I understand your feelings perfectly.
Now if Nick Meyer, Bo Goldman, etc. wants me to read their screenplay……………..
This is the pot calling the kettle black. Who are you Josh Olson if not someone who benefitted by having had a script of yours read by someone. It’s a fraternity this rarified world in which many of us work and we take care of each other if only to collectively be able to tell the “man” to f-off. This is a pathetic diss because it’s glib and in being glib it’s all about an ego run amok– an ego of someone who’s made most of his bones adapting others books and graphic novels. Pathetic…
My friend, the late Don Carpenter (”Payday” and numerous novels), had the best response to these kind of queries, one that I have have had the good sense to appropriate: I’LL READ IT AS FAR AS I CAN.
“I’LL READ IT AS FAR AS I CAN” – Classic! Thanks
I remember being a young struggling writer with no contacts — it sucks. You beg borrow and steal introductions and advice because handshakes count as much as hard work in just about every industry. Once I reached the top level in my chosen profession, I swore to help worthy young ‘uns. Interns, hard-working novices and so forth — I always found time for them, even in the middle of awful deadlines. Sadly, few of my peers felt the same way. Some even acted like one-shot-wonder Olson: arrogant, entitled and surrounded by ass-kissers and yes-men desperate for access. Christ, I bet he’s one of my neighbors in Brooklyn. What a cock.
Hear, hear. You are the invaluable exception to the rule.
Thank you Mr. K! You’re the kind of person I’d like to meet! Your humility and kindness kick ass!
I will not read anymore fucking rambling and self-important open letters to struggling dream chasers.
The Picasso comparison made rancid an essay with many truthful points. And who believes anymore that a ‘great screenplay’ will actually make it even to development hell? Hollywood produces big budget toy commercials, degrading horror movies and narcissistic fromage like ‘Funny People’ – you’ll find better writing in comic books, like ‘A History of Violence’.
That part about taking classes is a good idea. You need training to practice the science of screenwriting.
Wow, a lot of people sure have unkind things to say about Josh — I liked HISTORY OF VIOLENCE well enough.
Well, he was very convincing in one respect, I agree with his assessment that he’s a dick.
He’s got a point, sure, but there are plenty of non-nasty ways to make it.
When you work in any area of entertainment, there will always be friends/acquaintances who want to ask questions/favors, and if it’s not a big deal you answer, if it is too time-consuming, you don’t – it’s not all that hard for a grown-up to handle.
I broke into the business by — oops! — asking a working writer friend (who had read some of my stuff in the past) to read a script. My friend leveled with me right off, saying he wouldn’t read it, but he would pass it along to his agent and if the agent liked it, the agent would call me. Fair enough. It was on me to follow up with the agent, who dodged me for months. (Not that I was especially persistent.) Six months later the agent read it, loved it, and called me. Why? Because there was something in it for him: money. Happy to say both the writer and the agent have earned my undying loyalty, something in very short supply in this town. I hope for Josh Olson’s sake he never finds himself in need of any.
But will you watch my fucking show? It’s Cougar Town, by the way. I mean, it’s fucking Cougar Town.
well if the pilot’s as good as the script was, then absolutely not. what a gigantic piece of shit. congratulations, you’re drawing ire, you’re already a hit. and good luck working on whatever bill lawrence’s next show is you hack.
Oh boo hoo! Behold the responsibility that comes with being a millionaire who saves no lives!
I was once approached by a stranger who asked me to read his script after he eaves dropped on a conversation I was having with a buddy about our long day at the office. We were at side-by-side urinals when this happened. Let’s just say “awkward” doesn’t begin to describe what happened next. He tried to hand me his “business” card before he zipped up, let alone washed his hands. Very classy.
Thank you Josh for eloquently and honestly describing a growing epidemic in this town: self-proclaimed “writers” who have an unexplainable sense of entitlement.
Just the sort of snarky comment I’d expect from an agent…former or otherwise.
It was a urinal, Gerry. Be reasonable.
I agree with the attitude and feel your pain, but your Freshman Comp Prof would have suggested you edit the essay. You carry on a bit too long. Leave the muscle. Lose the fat. Don’t lose the audience.
Sounds like Olson just read a bad screenplay and completely lost it like Michael Douglas in Falling Down. Dude, relax. So some acquaintance asked you to read his shitty script. Now everyone who asks you to read a script is an asshole? Everyone in this town thinks they know how to write well… And they don’t. Big deal. That read like a tantrum. And for the record, I fucking loved A HISTORY OF VIOLENCE. But I get the same requests to read shit from friends all the time. If someone shows me something and I hate it, or it’s barely written in functional English, then that person is cut off. You get one chance and if they chose to blow it by giving me something too early, then so be it. But you should get one chance (as long as you DO know the person) and this wasn’t even a script, it was a 2 page synopsis by an obvious amateur. I mean, everything you wrote is right, and it’s true that screenwriters don’t get the respect they deserve, but you gotta take a breath, Josh and calm down.
One of the things the comments here haven’t mentioned about Olson’s piece is the part about knowing whether a writer is any good in the first few sentences—he’s right, of course. After a paragraph, you know if the guy can writer, and after a page, you can tell whether the writer knows where he’s going or not.
Non-writers find this impossible to believe, and will argue the point to the death, especially if they have ambitions of becoming a professional writer. But it’s just like singers—you can tell who has a great singing voice after a couple of bars of a melody, just as you can tell after a second or two who should never ever sing anywhere but in the shower.
People may not like what Olson is saying, but it’s true: Talent is like hair—either you’ve got some or you don’t. Combovers fool no one.
Screenwriting is an affectation. Editors make the movies.
You are a fucking idiot!
Hello Sean– I agree. Editors make the movie! Screenwriters create the blueprint– we “see” the story, creating characters, actions, dialogue, setting, and landscapes. Editors are the magicians!
Fortunately, I write like an Editor– like writing a Symphony–knowing how long to hold a scene, when to cut for maximum impact, use of SOUND CUES. Characters need speak like real people, and not always with words. This was HISTORY OF VIOLENCE’s trump card, PLUS Viggo Mortensen’s brilliant performance.
Like an Editor, I understand the concepts of pace, flow, silence– in showing the story. Silence will speak.
Just once, I’d like to read a script without one “fucking” in the dialogue! Dialogues (on screen and off) are not always about words. “Eye to eye” exchanges make powerful connections– between the characters, and with the audience. No “fucking” required.
No one knows what the audience wants– but…We all know when we’re moved– by a script, a scene, a movie. The cream rises– we want to see these “classics” over and over again.
Just do the work. Write every day. Even the Hollywood Holies make bad calls, and some bad movies.
Hats off to Josh Olson for getting his adaptation made! It helps to have a hotshot Agent behind the writer. Agent or none– The material speaks for itself!
“Sweetly Deadly” aka “Gambit”– Screenplay by: B. Rosson Davis
Passion. Genius. Obsession…. A chess-obsessed, orphan American girl must overcome her fears, loneliness, & addictions on her journey to challenge Russian Grandmasters in Moscow during the height of the Cold War to become the world’s top Chess player– discovering her genius and the resilience of the human spirit.
The responses to this appear to be divided into two very defined groups: those who relate and those who think he’s a douche.
I’ve met other screenwriters over the years and we agree to exchange scripts for feedback. I didn’t know them very well but some can really talk the talk. Then I read their script. Wow. I remember one where I got to page 70 and I couldn’t tell you what it was about. I couldn’t even tell you which genre it was shooting for. Finished it (which was tough), wrote up notes. No matter how much I sugar-coated the notes, he was insulted that I “didn’t get it.”
So as frustrating as this is for a nobody like me, I can only imagine what it must be like to be successful and having everyone on the planet hitting you up to read their script, synopsis, etc.
Acutally, I both relate AND think he’s a douche.
Just because he’s got a valid complaint doesn’t mean he’s dealing with it in a reasonable manner.
The only thing that I liked more than this essay were all of the hateful critiques that assumed the writer was flipping out over that one guy, and not responding to the the future writers who brilliantly think they also have an in with a writer.
It is the same reaction a stripper has meeting her new boyfriend’s poker buddies for the first time. In their ignorance they make comments thinking (or at least hoping) she will pole dance for them just because its what she does. But after the twenty-fourth remark is made she loses her control, and flips out. Not at that one guy who made the last nipple remark, but at the ignorance of the audience. I don’t think anybody here should be pissed at Josh Olsen just because they think they deserve a lap dance.
-Adam
Adam, post a picture of your girlfriend.
I realize it is a tremendous imposition to ask someone established in the entertainment industry to read your script.
I too have written a screenplay and worked in the industry until recently. The only executives I dared ask to read my screenplay were family friends and people who I either interned for directly (obviously unpaid) or worked for for a substantial period of time (obviously being paid close to nothing). Of those people, only the family friends and 1 executive actually read my script.
Many people I met or worked with offered to read my script without my asking — zero of these people have followed through and have seemingly dropped off the face of the earth refusing to answer phone calls or emails. To me one’s word defines one’s reputation — if you never intended to read my script, then don’t make empty gestures. I also asked many assistants to read my script — several did (and I am thankful to those who did), several flatly told me no, several told me they would try if they had time, and several others assured me they would and then never followed through. Again, I appreciate those assistants who actually had the decency to be honest and tell me they either did not have time or plainly that I was not important enough to them to bother reading my script.
In addition, I contacted a lawyer and had him submit my script on my behalf to the 7 big agencies and several management companies. I submitted 70 scripts, and I received 67 scripts back in the mail within a month informing me of the respective companies unsolicited materials policy. I received two flat out “no’s” from managers and 1 request from a CAA agent to sign a waiver to read my script (if I can receive a waiver from a CAA agent I’ve never met it obviously proves the entire unsolicited materials policy is a croc of shit.) Predictably I never heard from the agent again.
I say all this not as a cry for sympathy, but as a notice for asshole’s like Josh Olson and other people who refuse to give aspiring writers a chance. I’ve read and performed coverage on more awful scripts than I’d care to remember, but that does not change the fact that there are diamonds in the rough waiting to be found. If you don’t want to read my fucking script, fine just say so (but drop the profanity). But it is not exactly and easy industry to break into, especially when people are so loath and resistant to giving aspiring writers a chance.
Maybe my script just sucks — I obviously am not of that opinion. But I promise there are hundreds of good scripts lying around that have never been made because of people who refused to flip past the cover page. With the tired and recycled ideas that come out in theaters each week, one would think that the industry would be eager to discover new talent. Unfortunately, that requires too much effort, especially when Spiderman 5 and Pirates of the Caribbean 7 continue to make $500 million.
And one last thing, Mr. Olson — not to be an ostentatious prick, but I graduated in the top of my class from Penn — I know how to write good.
“I know how to write good”
I know how to write… well.
write GOOD or write WELL? Sorry, after such an eloquent treatise the end just unnerved me…
Sorry, but that last sentence should read “write WELL”.
Carry on.
So you know how to “write good”? How about “write well”? And do you know how to punctuate? Going by “asshole’s like Josh Olson”, I don’t think so. If that’s top-of-the-class stuff, it doesn’t say much for Penn. Or for you.
sorry for the asshole’s typo. it happens.
and the write good was a joke…have you not seen zoolander?
At least now you know who to ignore.
Being a Creative Director at a school for screenwriters, I couldn’t agree more with what Josh is saying here. Sure, he’s being crass and impolite, but he’s trying to make a point. I think that point has been made – seeing how many comments it’s garnered. Screenwriting is a craft – just like anything else it needs to be practiced and Josh is, not so simply, saying that too many writers present their work prematurely. How about we all stop getting pissed at someone we don’t know and actually get in front of a computer or a notepad and write something ourselves?
Folks,
I was a professional script reader for a number of years. I read over three thousand scripts during that time, most of those from unsolicited sources. Unfortunately, 99% were terrible (I urge anyone to track down THE FIRST JEWISH EVANGELIST if they can find it…because the title page alone is worth a look).
Of the over three thousand screenplays I read professionally, of all the YES, NO or RECOMMENDS I had to check, I only ever staked my reputation on ONE of those screenplays…which was Andrew Kevin Walker’s SEVEN. (At the time, anything coming out of then-agent Gavin Polone’s office was worth reading…even THEODORE REX).
Now that I’m producing (THE HILLS RUN RED on DVD from Warner Premiere Sept. 29th), I get asked to read someone’s screenplay on a daily basis. But legally, I simply can’t read unsolicited manuscripts. To even ask me, without going through the proper channels (such as asking for a release form), is to ask me to open my self up to litigation. It’s rude, presumptuous and most of all unprofessional. Yet, every other day…someone asks…or worse…just E-MAILS me their material without asking (there’s no faster way for me to NEVER read your material).
Any sour grapes thrown Josh’s way seem personal and don’t at all address what he’s really saying, which is aspiring professional screenwriters worth their salt will eventually figure out a way to get their material read through proper channels or through legit professional contacts.
Nothing wrong with that. Very, very sound advice. Take heed.
This was the point I got out of the frustrated vent, as well – that there are proper, professional ways to request your work gets into the hands of someone in your target industry (be it screenplays, novels, music, or something else). While I think the author could have been more diplomatic in his delivery, I can absolutely see his point.
I’m just a wanna-be novelist with a little writing experience, that experience limited to reporting and writing a column for my small hometown newspaper and my stint as Editor-In-Chief of my high school and college newspapers. I’m also the product of a Southern farm upbringing which seems to have left me with a desire to be as polite and unimposing as possible. I just can’t imagine walking up to an aquaintance, friend or even family member and having the gall to ask for what is essentially their professional services for free. I wouldn’t ask a baker aquaintance to create a cake for me without doing it through the appropriate channels with compensation. So why would I hand an author my novel idea just because she made eye contact and spoke a few words at a convention or book signing?
If I finish that novel in my head, it’s MY responsibility to research the professional means of getting it into the “right hands”. My sitting at my computer and pounding out X number of words doesn’t ENTITLE me to make anyone feel cornered, to obtain professional services for free, or anything else.
Yes, some people DO make it big thanks to a right place, right time situation. However, I’d wager many successful people simply had to WORK at it.
“Proper” channels? There are no channels that avoid the legal issues you’re speaking about; on that ground, the proper channel is the one that works, period. As to your second point, the fact remains that one stills need the legit professional contacts you spoke of to read one’s script. You speak as if there’s some recognized way to get things done in this town, other than getting a leg up from somebody who’s already “in.” Sounds to me like you’re trying to sell something. Pass.
The “copyright” is all you have to be concerned about. Your legal department’s “releases” do not supercede that.
Your “release” only enables you to steal plots, characters and story lines. You and your legal department realize this.
Characters wander around aimlessly, do things for no reason, vanish, reappear, get arrested for unnamed crimes, and make wild, life-altering decisions for no reason.
So, did the guy end up writing for Lost?
I love Lost, but that’s pretty funny.
Option1: Read it
Option2: Don’t read it
Option 3: Learn to deal with everyday social pressures like a grown adult, and try to avoid complete and total public meltdowns.
I have read many bad scripts for friends and acquaintenances, and they have obliged by reading my bad scripts. I have learned a great deal about writing from reading other people’s material. It does take a boatload of time to do a thorough job of giving notes, though, so I’ve become more selective about it. There really are only so many hours in the day.
And my un-scientific analysis shows that half the people here hate what he said and half love it. So which half is right?
Josh, This is the best read I’ve had in weeks. Better than the shit scripts I’m asked to read!!
Professionalism goes a long way in any business and it’s a shame to see this insecure punk fail to recognize that with the success he’s achieved. Someone, preferably an exec, needs to remind him that he wouldn’t be where he is if it weren’t for the kindness and generosity of others.
A History of Violence is quickly fading from public memory so he’d better do something quick.
Either way, he’s an idiot.
Funny! I am a professional writer that gets request ALL the time…and they all end up being terrible. I know how you feel!
HOWEVER…
I wouldn’t BE a professional writer if someone hadn’t “read my script”. So personally, I feel it is paying it forward. What I tend to do though, is tell them they got “one shot” with me. That if they spend the “one shot” they can never ask me to help them again, no matter what. I tell them if they feel they should spend their one shot on that script, to send it to me. They NEVER do. But I like the “coverage” idea better. I’m gonna use that from now on…
Cause you never know. Every hero was once a zero. Billions are made finding the talented zero before anyone else.
Billions… with a B.
I love your “one shot” policy! You are very generous to donate your time, acknowledge your own journey to success, and try to pay it forward as best you can. At the same time, giving friends “one shot” discourages those who would waste your time with a hastily written “concept” and encourages those who appreciate your generosity to submit their best work before taking advantage of said generosity. Kudos to you.
I feel this way all the god-damned time.
But you know what? If your job is to read scripts, suck it up and read.
Read the shit your friends parents want you to read for their nephew. Read the weird submissions in plastic covers. Read it all. Because even the material that gets sent in by agents is 99% crap, so you’ve got just as much of a shot finding material out there in the great beyond as you do via the traditional methods.
If I have to read one more “professional” writer who doesn’t know how to use spell check (or more likely doesn’t have the respect for the executives reading the material to bother using a one-click button), can’t figure out how to use the cover-page tool in Final Draft, or tries to write in “urban” speak because they think that a few apostrophes will make up for their lack of character development…I may just start only reading amateur work.
At least then I’ll know WHY the writer can’t write and I’ll be able to focus on the quality of the idea – at a much more reasonable price to boot.
It’s the cross you bear when you get into this industry – people want to use you to advance their careers. Everyone wants to live the dream. If you’re in the game, then you put up with the hangers on.
If you don’t like it, go get a job as a toll booth operator or a tax collector, and you’ll be blissfully free of people pushing their dreams on you.
Otherwise, shut the fuck up, learn to pass like a man and get over yourself.
Sounds like reading scripts is your job. Are you a professional reader or consultant?
Reading scripts is NOT Josh’s job. He is paid to write. Not to read. The scripts that he IS paid to read are obviously re-write assignments.
So many people here aren’t getting his point. He agreed to take the time to read a newbie’s synopsis. The synopsis was crap. He mustered up the necessary diplomacy to tell him so. The newbie walked away, not by being open and receptive to the advice, but with disdain or worse toward Josh.
So Josh vowed never again. I’ve been in similar situations. I for one, do not blame him. It’s time consuming to read crap and have to critique it — and not get paid for it.
His job isn’t to read scripts.
This rant is really sad. Really sad. It is only because of the support and encouragement of others writers I have managed to stay in this business and find success.
Writers need to help one another. If they have a heart and care about the craft they can help the good ones stay in and encourage them during lean times.
Mentoring from other writers is how so many of the greats have kept going. Good writing is hard. Damn hard. Writers shouldn’t try to destroy one another. the town will do that. This guy doesn’t have to read scripts and give notes if he doesn’t want to. But there was a time when he was struggling and some really generous person encouraged and mentored him. I think this poor man is slightly off his nut.
Best Piece of advice. Write your script and then shoot the script. Be a filmmaker, not just a writer. It’s always easier to show your film to a director, producer, agent, studio head than it is to hand them a 120 page document that is your screenplay and say, “Read this”. Hell, condense your feature script and shoot it as a short film. I’ve had many experience where I’ve spoken to executives, agents, managers, etc. and I’ve told them about my short films and they pull out their business card and ask me to send it to them because they want to take a look at it. They never in a million years would have looked at my script simply because if you have a 10 minute director reel they can look at it whenever they have some free time in the office, but a script takes at least an hour to read, even if you’re fast, and if the script sucks they’ll just throw it in the trash and they will be totally turned off by your work, so go out and shoot a film. If they like it, then you’ll be more than just a writer, you’ll be a filmmaker and there’s nothing better than that.
When I was starting out, S. Bochco read a spec cop script of mine even though I didn’t have an agent. Afterwards, he sent a handwritten rejection note that included the line “Perhaps the cop genre is not where your strength lies.” In that one sentence, he managed to tell me my script sucked without discouraging me and even making me laugh. I kept writing. Eventually my scripts started to sell. Done right, saying “no” can have a positive effect.
You think a writer this accomplished could come up with a line like, “I’m sorry, nothing personal, but no.” Because if you were worried about people thinking you were a d-bag before….
But Josh, my boy, what if Saul Bellow had told the then unknown Martin Amis to go take a flying leap? What if Raymond Carver had been as much of a prick as you are and refused to read Jay McInerney’s early drafts? What if F. Scott Fitzgerald had given his secretary/assistant Frances Kroll zero encouragement because he couldn’t be bothered. Here you are….the gifted screenwriter who feels entirely put upon by a pretender who dares to request some mentoring. Your essay says so much about you and none of it is kind. You are an asshole, but for reasons you obviously cannot imagine. What irony.
Unknown Martin Amis? He’s the son of Kingsley Amis, he was never unknown.
That part about taking classes is right on. You need training to practice the science of screenwriting. People have some strong opinions about Josh — wonder if they recognize themselves in this screed. I thought HISTORY OF VIOLENCE was pretty decent.
As a reader for a studio, I am always asked to read scripts – by friends, by friends of friends, by complete strangers. I am no dick. Too sweet, I have trouble killing bugs or talking back to my agent, but I can relate to Olson’s frustration! I am always hoping to be surprised by something good, but it rarely happens. Giving feedback on a bad script can indeed take as much time as teaching a screenwriting course. And even if you tactfully decline, man, they think, what a bitch…
But this awareness doesn’t stop me from asking people to read MY scripts…
The Picasso reference is BS.
First, as another commenter put it, he is no Picasso.
Second, the writer didn’t ask him to give provide him a logline or treatment for free. He wanted input!
Could you imagine what a jerk Picasso would be if he refused to LOOK AT other artists’ work?
This was an amusing read, but not a convincing be-all end-all for the “will you read my script” scenario.
Isn’t there a middle ground where one can be honest without being unkind?
I managed to get my script to an A-list writer to read, and he gave me direct, blunt notes in return. They were honest, to the point, and it was tough to swallow. But they weren’t mean. They were respectful and I was grateful.
It made me want to try harder. It also helped to know one could be a major screenwriter in this town and not have to be a burst sewer pipe of raging resentment.
What ever happened to basic standards of politeness? JUST SAY NO THANK YOU. This Olson is a vulgar, passive-aggressive jerk. And I might add, I look forward to execs taking his advice to heart and not reading HIS fucking scripts.
He’s probably doing everyone a favor by not reading their scripts. He’s not a good writer. This essay did nothing but remind me of my distaste for history of violence (I’d mention other works by the writer but I know of none. I was never inspired to look for more).
You want a better way to dodge reading a script? Just say, “I’m not very good.” That would work for you.
Josh’s writing style here is verbose and repetitive. Requires an editor. He should have had someone read his article before sending it to the publication. Also Josh misses the Dick’s central motivation for requesting that he read the script. The Dick did not want a “pat on the head.” The Dick wanted Josh to think that the script was swell and to then pass it on to his Agent or high powered Producer with his endorsement. So, to recap my complimentary analysis reading of Josh’s two page report is that he’s wordy and lacks insight into the character.
I find your writing style verbose and repetitive. I think you miss Josh’s point. The recap is unnecessary for such a short post.
Perhaps you need an editor.
I find the WGA to be overwhelmingly populated by cockalorums like Josh Olsen, who lack the general esteem required for direct confrontation. Insecure, self-doubting weasels that write diatribes about strangers rather than to them have never found better forum for congregation than that wretched hive of scum and villainy.
What better way to proudly affirm my membership than with this post and pen-name.
On one hand I agree: the majority of submitted specs and scripts in this industry are complete and utter trash. I intern on one of the lots at a production company, and 9/10 scripts we receive are borderline unreadable (and people turn these things in as SPECS, the best representation of themselves as writers). People get their “one chance” and waste it, and like Josh says, it’s usually because they can’t write. Good scriptwriting is an art, just like any other medium.
On the flip to that, what other path is there? This industry is defined by the “one shot”, the “in”. Very few people ever get it, and fewer ever actually nail it when the opportunity arises… but I think it’s safe to say everyone needs that one person willing to give them the chance to either impress, or fuck up. I talked to Damon Lindelof at WGA’s “Lost” panel last year, and I asked him the best advice for an aspiring writer. He said, “Don’t get an agent, make a friend who has an agent.”
We aspiring, educated (I’m in my senior year), 1/10 writers of something approaching good need writers like you, Josh, to give us our one shot. Without you, we’ve got nothin’, because the execs only want properties like “Monopoly” and “Transformers” for development. I’m sorry this guy blew his chance with a shit synopsis, and his resulting attitude was inexcusable (give me an address, I’ll go kick him in the nuts for you), but if you completely cut off the potential future generation of talent that IS out there… you’re doing your own industry a great disservice.
PS- I want to head into TV, and I hope to be in Josh’s shoes someday… though I might be a little nicer. Not much, but a little.
This guy is a total asshole.
These comments can obviously be sorted into two categories:
1. Those who agree with Josh (because they’ve already found success)
2. Those who think Josh is being cruel (because they’re still waiting for a big break)
false.
3. Those who think Josh is a total dick (because they’ve found success and yet don’t write bitchy columns about the vast pain of being asked to read. It’s called success with gratitude, Bryan.).
Hey, did any of you guys know that Josh Olson makes a lot of money and has an oscar nomination?
Oh…Oh, right Max. Sorry, we forgot those two things preclude a person from having to be a decent human being. Let’s be honest tho…the Oscar isn’t really in the mix, it’s just that he’s made money…whoops sorry, LOTS of money.
Amen. I want to print this on a shirt and wear it everywhere I go.
I read scripts for a living. I’m a reader. That’s what I do, and yet I can’t count the number of people who try to “slip” me theirs “just for my take.” Hi – that’s my job. The difference is, my job actually pays.
Try asking some CPA you met once for five minutes at a party to do your taxes for free. And then again next quarter and again the one after that, because you’ve “made some changes.”
It is in no way one iota different.
excellent point
It is different; he’s a writer and you’re a reader. He gets paid to write, and you get paid to read. Do you really think that the writers who author the scripts you read believe that your comments about their scripts represent anything other than the comments of the lackey to the guy holding the checkbook? You think they’re looking at you as if you’re some kind of qualified artist? You’re not an artist; you merely represent the guy holding the checkbook, and nothing more. Step down, you little douche.
Thank you JK,
And by the way, Agency Lackey, some of the greatest movies ever were PASSED on by people like you who didn’t think people could write worth a damn. Look them up in that agency database of yours, I’m SURE you’ll recognize a few titles that got to screen. Here’s one while you’re booting up your computer- “Ferris Bueller’s Day Off”…
If Salaire told Mozart “I won’t read your fucking score,” then perhaps Peter Shaffer (a great writer): would not have had so compelling a play and screen play to author. And had Milos Forman said to Shaffer “I won’t read your fucking screenplay,” the three-hundred or so cast and crew members wouldn’t have earned a “fucking” paycheck and movie goers would have never seen a brilliant film.
What’s next? “Don’t pitch me your fucking movie I’m late for threapy.”
Oh yeah. Read the original screenplay and count the typos.
Good piece.
“A History of Violence” was practically unwatchable but that might not be Josh’s fault entirely. A lot of blame can be put on Cronenberg.
However, there is no accounting for taste.
-RnsW
If you deliver truth in a wheel-barrow full of vitriolic shit, you have to expect people to focus more on the stink than the point.
Having said that, every working screenwriter knows exactly what Josh Olsen is talking about. People don’t think twice about having you read a first draft of something, and are almost always ungrateful if you don’t love it.
I’m a Professional Screenwriter.
Yes. A professional. You read it correctly.
I will read your scripts. Anyone’s. Everyone’s. My friends, their friends, their uncles best friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s script.
Yep.
Professionals, not like that Irish joker Josh Olson, have time to kill.
It’s true. I just wrote it.
thanks, people like you, make the world go around, the others think they can be in entourage, and think “professional” means picking up the stinky attitude that comes with the business. Professionals though, can avoid the attitude because they have skills. You, as a professional screenwriter, are doing the best thing enriching yourself by reading other people’s scripts. And “everyone” can learn to write if that’s what they love doing.
Allright people! Send all your scripts to this guy!!
He’s a professional.
Yeah? Show me.
Leave your email. Tell us your name. Tell us how we can take advantage of this wonderful service you provide from the goodness of your heart.
Man, it took me two seconds to write that script. Why can’t he relent???
THIS WAS AWESOME! I want to laminate it. I’m not a writer but it seems odd to me that many of the screenwriters who wrote in to complain about Mr. Olson’s lack of compassion for the newbie must not be able to READ. How could you miss the entire point? The hysterical thing about this very funny, frustrated rant is that nothing would have been easier than for Josh to just blow the guy off and tell him what he wanted to hear but instead he actually tried to be honest and do the right thing. He wrote extensive notes and put in far more effort and consideration than he should have given that this was not some exciting new talent on the scene who just needed to brush up on a few of his skills, but a rank amateur who didn’t respect the craft enough to learn ANYTHING about it before demanding to be critiqued.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. HYSTERICAL!
Keep using the word craft. It makes you sound intelligent.
When I was a year out of college and completely clueless I did the same thing to Don Roos, Stan Zimmerman, John Romano, Steven Bochco and Paul Wolff. They all graciously agreed to read my initial attempts at screenwriting, and I learned a lot from their candid criticisms.
I also asked David Koepp to read a script and he very politely and respectfully told me he was simply too busy.
Some writers have class… others don’t.
Dear showrunner, had David Koepp not read an unsolicited script by an unknown writer — who wrote him a heartfelt letter from across the country — then the movie “Seven” would have likely never been made. I would consider that class, so you might want to rephrase your comment to say “some writers have time… others don’t.”
I would probably take this article more seriously if it was written by the Coen Brothers, or Christopher Nolan or (insert actual professional screenwriters name here)
Why do people think this is funny? I too am a moderately successful screenwriter. When someone asks if I can read a script, I say yes or no depending on if I have time. If I know it’s going to be a stinker, I come up with a polite excuse. Is that so hard?
So painfully accurate. It’s hard to relate to people who approach screenwriting like a hobby and don’t appreciate how much effort goes into constructive notes. Inevitably they argue with the extremely lenient and softball criticism, because all they want is for you to pass it to someone and make them a million dollars.
I’ve learned to only give a few sentences of general and sugar-coated notes. If I had any balls here’s what I would tell them:
Quit your secure job, abandon your pension, your affordable mortgage/rent and move to LA before your 30’s. Slave in this thankless industry, suck up to crazy people for years while you scratch out your little hopeful stories in your crap single apartment, watch your youth pass as you date a string of impossible stargazers lacking the emotional tools for intimacy and watch everyone you know in sane cities and industries build a solid life with a future.
Meanwhile, you keep the flame alive and keep scratching away at the keyboard, while it slowly dawns that perhaps YOU are the impossible stargazer lacking the emotional tools for intimacy. Keep scratching until one day you turn out something that doesn’t suck. Hit your 30’s, *hard*. Keep scratching until you’re good, all the while wondering what it’s going to be like dying penniless in a state-run old folks home. Keep going until you are a writer or until you give up and leave the industry for a livable wage and lifestyle.
That’s what it takes. The 80’s are over and the spec gravy train is not coming back. Even if I like your script, I can’t make you rich and famous. If you want to be a screenwriter, come out here and pay your dues. You’ll have tons of people who, if pitched right, will *ask* to read your script. Here you can get your stripes in a community of writers and wannabe writers who learn by immersion in the industry. We’re very supportive of hungry, receptive writers who have paid some dues and who listen to the advice they request.
Spot on.
Someone please give this guy another award!
All of the people who responded here negatively about this article are not good writers. Ha!
You cannot walk into the Major Leagues just because you have a uniform on, you must learn to play and then earn your position by showing your skills. This is common sense, you do understand this..right?
and yet… you took the time to write about the time you don’t have. remind me. WHO is the dickhead in this story?
Are you kidding? One writes, first, about what one is most driven to write about, and ironically, sometimes one writes about something other than that. What does it matter what or why, just so the act of writing is occurring?
To criticize a writer for making time to write, or for writing about what was on his mind is ludicrous. The act of writing is enough. A writer writes, man, a writer writes.
In any case, this is an entertaining piece.
I think this is one of the best things I’ve ever read. He’s right, you know in a sentence whether someone is a writer or not. (I’m certainly not a writer, but I have a ton of respect for people who are.)
Some of you actually read this? The whole thing?
I skimmed it. It seems to be the same verbal gag repeated 88 times in a row.
I read the whole thing. It was pretty good.
The short version is this: when you ask me to read your script, you’re 1) asking me to work for free (when you wouldn’t ask a different kind of professional to do so), and 2) not looking for criticism but for encouragement, so 3) when I tear it to shreds because it sucks, 4) because you don’t know how to write, then 5) I look like an asshole, and I’ve done so without my customary fee.
Therefore, I will not read your fucking script. Having been through this scenario many times, I’ll save myself the reading and skip straight to 5.
Hey, all you professional writers out there with your 25 movies and plays or whatever.
Why not post your credits?
Also, do you have an email where we can send you our scripts? You will read them, right?
Hey, all you professional writers out there with your 25 movies and plays or whatever.
Why not post your credits?
Also, do you have an email where we can send you our scripts? You will read them, right?
And remember, HE DID READ WHAT THE GUY GAVE HIM. The ungrateful prick just didn’t like Josh’s critique and ruined a friendship over it.
And for that you haters blame Josh?
Classy and intelligent. That’s what all of you are.
http://cm1.theinsider.com/media/0/84/26/mvp4ch.0.0.0×0.432×413.jpeg
That’s a picture of Josh and Otep Shamaya.
Loved the piece Josh!
I am surprised most of these negative folks are missing the fact that you did actually read what the guy gave you, but because he didn’t like your opinion, ruined a friendship over it.
I would also like all these “professionals” to post links to their credits since they are so quick to bash your Academy Award Nomination.
Weirdos.
John was totally in the right on this one. However, writing this essay is very much a dick move.
Pull out the belt of your pants and look down — if your panties are in any way in a bunch over this, you are one of the no-talent amateurs he’s talking about. Sometimes, the truth is a well aimed poison-bullet right between the eyes.
Josh, as someone who has been on the other side of this far too often, my eternal thanks. You should be sainted for this.
I’m always astounded at the bile people will post on the internet when not required to use their real names.
As someone who has made my living as a writer in Hollywood for 20 years, Josh Olson has written an essay that is painfully true.
The only thing worse than someone asking to read your script, are the ones who say — and this happens at least once a week — “I have a great idea. You’ll write it and when it sells we’ll split the millions 50-50.”
OMG, Josh, can you read my script? I promise, I am a very talintid riter.
This is a great approach. Already being distributed on all the tracking boards. Little self involved assistants will feel empowered. I’m only going to read what my boss gives me and be a yes man. Then they’ll wake up five years later, still never being promoted, when maybe they could have given 10 or 20 pages of some random script a chance, judged for themselves, and perhaps, not often but maybe something in there could match or exceed the quality of Puppy Love or Infested, and get that underling a cushy “CE” title to repeat ad infinitum at drinks like a bobblehead doll.
I think he’s right.
Just wondering if anybody else shoveling through this solipsistic horseshit happened to notice that the whole (boring) story upon which “I Will Not Read Your Fucking Script” is based does not involve being asked to read a script at all. The guy gave him a fucking 2 page synopsis. Not a script. Also, the guy apparently asked for an “opinion” and “honesty.” How fucking hard is it to do that on a 2 page synopsis? Read it in 5 minutes, pick up the phone, and tell the guy, politely, you didn’t think it worked, for the following three reasons. 5- 10 minutes. The guy didn’t ask for detailed notes, or revisions. He didn’t ask for you to send it to your agent. He didn’t ask for you to partner up with you and develop something. He certainly didn’t ask for you to decide whether he’s a writer or not. What kind of insane shithead takes it upon himself to respond to a request for an opinion on a 2 page synopsis by spending weeks drafting and revising some sanctimonious lecture on what it means to be a “writer”?
If screenwriters sometimes lack “real respect,” it’s because they sometimes write shit movies in which “[c]haracters wander around aimlessly, do things for no reason, vanish, reappear, get arrested for unnamed crimes, and make wild, life-altering decisions for no reason.” Seeing this, many other people think they can do it too, and some are right. More likely, though, the respect problem — such as there is — derives from the petulance of people like Josh Olson, sniffling and growling about the lack of appreciation for the preciousness of their time and craft. It’s laughable and stomach-churning, the absolute pomposity of it all, as if every day, in every way, folks of all stripes aren’t asked for freebies. (I’m a lawyer and a writer, so I get both). The good news, at least to my mind anyway, is that Olson, while a cock, is not really representative of the larger community of writers, particularly (and perhaps counter-intuitively) those at the very top, who (usually) seem to have time to lend a helping hand to less-established colleagues, know how to deftly manage this important part of the profession (meaning allocating enough, but not too much, time to others), and are capable, as Olson clearly isn’t, of distinguishing between good-faith assertiveness (a good thing) and harassment (not a good thing, and not the case here). But Josh Olson? With apologies to Mamet, Josh Olson is a fucking asshole, and anybody who agrees with that asshole is a fucking asshole.
fantastic reply to an unnecessarily douche-y post.
Thanks for the comment, Moss. Far more interesting than Olsen’s piece, the tone and structure of which reminds me of something that would probably get an A in a high school creative writing class.
wow Moss, that post was better than History of Violence…
Moss,
What a douche indeed.
Excellent writing, many wonderful points, and so much more interesting and thoughtful than the article itself. I’d love to read your fucking script.
-Jones
Solipsistic is my new favorite word.
My father told me when I was interviewing for my first job to remember that everyone interviewing me started off in the same chair.
How foolish you are, Josh.
How very much you have to learn at such a late age.
I hope that Nikki opted to reprint this mean-spirited, ironic and ultimately fatuous masturbation because she read it as such rather than as her endorsement of his message (or his writing – a few paragraphs were much more than enough to pique my interest…in the comments).
THIS IS EFFED UP!!!
You/EVERYBODY needed help Josh at the beginning of your/their career DOUCHEBAG, AND somebody helped you.
Short memory…
Nikki please post some more stories before you go on vacation, or wherever your going, so this one gets buried.
This ONE story will be immensely hurtful to the industry. Most importantly, it will make the successful more cynical and less willing to help and crush the hopes of people on the way up. This post will live on for a long time in a bad way. Other writers say, I’ll post this message on my homepage, back of biz card.
Fuck this guy…remember where you came from!!!
i was just wondering if you would read my comment?
He’s right.
Most (novice) writers can’t handle the truth. I’m an agency reader, covered thousands of scripts, and read thousands more, seen thousands of movies, been in the biz sixteen years, worked at an agency in feature lit, worked at a studio in prod./development, worked as a development exec, have a producer credit on a studio feature. I tell a novice writer the truth–’your script is bad’– and the writer gets insulted, thinks I’m incompetent, unprofessional, etc.. It just happened to me a week ago.
Novice writers–here’s what you do:
Don’t ask a big writer, or any ‘big’ Hollywood figure to read your stuff. Ask someone like me, an agency reader, to cover your script, and offer to pay me $100 for my time. If the script is great, I’ll recommend it to agents and/or managers. If it sucks, you’ll know where you stand.
@ Anonymous (Sep 10 6:27pm)
I think your approach is very sound. I was just thinking that if someone wants something read they should have it read by someone who spends all of their time reading scripts and they should pay for it with money.
The bulk of the comments I’ve read so far seem either gushing and congratulatory or overtly disparaging of Mr. Olson. I think he wrote this to be funny and to make a point. The point isn’t that he’s too good to read a beginner’s work, it’s that the vast majority of beginners are so bad that properly critiquing their work requires a disproportionate amount of time and is most often met with resentment.
Looks like somebody has been hanging out with Harlan Ellison too much…
The man’s biggest claim to fame is A HISTORY OF VIOLENCE… an adaptation. The rest of his work is unknown to the public.
Ellison’s attitude has obviously rubbed off. Too bad the talent hasn’t.
It is a time suck and I don’t know how many crappy scripts I’ve read and then had to figure out a way to spin the positive for my friends or acquaintances. That said, it’s all about the karma. You never know who is going to end up where. It doesn’t take that long to read a script or at least enough of it to formulate a thoughtful response. And you never know, you may just find a diamond in the rough. It’s happened before. If Hollywood was more about community and less about fear and self-absorption we might see better product and happier people. Or at least we could ditch the assholes.
At first I thought this was going to be some jerk-off pontification but I was intrigued (and I have not seen any movie that he has written or even heard of this screenwriter–sorry). However, I completely get what Mr. Olson is saying and his analogies are apt.
Why is it that writers get cornered? Because it is such a hard thing to get a book or an article published, let alone a screenplay, and people assume you have an “in” and will therefore do all of the hard, persistent work for them. It’s the same reason that writers don’t often ask other writers if they can approach their agents. You have to go that road alone.
However, that said, I wish Mr.Olson had shared a bit of how he broke into the screenwriting business as that might be the answer to his problem. Saying something trite like, “Keep at it and take some classes and shop it around” or “Sorry, you just wouldn’t believe the pile of scripts I have to slog through every day already” might be all he needs to answer to someone who corners him. Yet, there again, it’s a damned if you, damned if you don’t proposition and an issue of boundaries. Either way, you’re a jerk. Add to that the reality that people have respect for the craft of writing which most think is as easy as breathing.
No one should ask you Josh for your time. It’s dickish and inconsiderate to ask for your time. That part is agreed.
The part that gets fuzzy is your comparison of yourself to Picasso. If you are an aspiring comedy writer, Josh, then that part was a great start.
Also, the “talent” you associate with “professional” screenwriters? Talent and screenplays in 99% of movies ever produced is pretty much a contradiction in terms. Most produced movies by so-called professionals are crap. Most produced screenplays are crap. How many GREAT moves have there ever been? 10? 15 at the most?
I can’t bring myself to go to the theater anymore. I’d rather stick pins in my eyes.
Talent? Name more than 15 screenplays EVER produced and I’ll eat my words.
Seriously, Picasso, I mean Josh.
Let’s come down to earth.
Well someone read your fucking scripts, Josh. Guess they should have heeded your advice and not fucking read it.
I couldn’t be bothered to read the whole thing. Especially by someone whose impressive writing credits includes a videogame.
Fuck off, Josh Olson.
What do your professional writing credits include? Seeing as you’re too good for the video game dollar.
A few years back, my accountant asked me to “read my script” – I had no idea he could write…He couldn’t. Then, my attorney asked me to “read my script” – I had no idea he could write…He couldn’t. Where is that accountant now? Accounting. Where is that lawyer now? Lawyering. Where am I now? NOT reading scripts by my accountant or my lawyer and…I’m a hell of a lot happier!
I wish there were more Joshes in Hollywood so that much of what passes as crap on screen wouldn’t make it on in the first place, the only thing I learned from his essay and the thing I always think about is not imposing on someone who is in the business.
Although a read and comments would help me I would not want to cross a line and impose on someone else.
“Infested” ain’t Guernica. You’d be a hack without Cronenberg.
Yeah, there’s nothing like someone saying, “I know you are a professional X, but you should totally take several days out of your life and put great thought and all your professional expertise into me, WITH NO RECOMPENSE, because I WANT IT BAW BAW BAW.”
Giving a script (or a novel) a decent read-through takes days and is exhausting, even for dedicated amateurs. You have to read the script at least three times (once for content, once for editing, once for last thoughts) and every second you spend on it is literally money and time stolen from you.
If someone wants that kind of special attention, they better be a genius, one hell of a friend, or fucking pay for it.
I’m being amateurish here but meant to say in my FIRST posting in the last sentence that “most people have little respect for the craft of writing…”
weird attitude for a guy who’s made his name off of other people’s source material
So did Shakespeare Lem. Not saying he’s Shakespeare, but saying he shouldn’t have this attitude because he adapted other people’s work is saying that you don’t know anything about playwriting or screenwriting.
Apparently Josh Olson and the various people cheering him on here have all gotten to where they are because of talent and hard work. Lucky breaks and the kindness of strangers played no role in their success. As someone who has had their nose the glass for some time, I now know my place. There is a reason for why you are where you are and where I am — silly me. However, if I am lucky enough to ever enjoy a “conversation” with any of you “about structure and theme, and why Sergio Leone is the greatest director who ever lived”, I will fucking ask you to read my script (or view my reel) and will expect you to acquiesce – because it is that consideration that has allowed you all to enjoy the entitlement attitudes you are displaying today.
What an arrogant cunt…
I don’t know who is more of a cunt. This guy, or the guy who asked him to read his script.
Brass tax? This guy doesn’t matter, and what guys like this want to be more than anything else is important.
I think its “tacks.”
I think you mean tacks.
Very funny, well put but his movies are good for awards but lack what Audiences need. History was crap. It was really crap, it amazes me to see such rubbish get made. But lucky for him and other writers, there are people with greater respect.
Let me get this straight…
Josh Olson is tortured by the process of writing a response to a synopsis he did not wish to read in the first place. Josh Olson is resentful, even though he could have said a polite “no” and been done with the whole mess. Josh Olson spends more time on the subject, writing this piece for the Village Voice and, in so doing, continues to ignore his work and his friends. See Spot run. Run, Spot, run!
In the mid-fifties at the age of seventeen – while working as a busboy at the Brown Derby in Hollywood and writing when I could I approached Sam Goldwyn, as he was leaving the restaurant with an eighty-three page final draft of my first screen writing effort “Death At The Shrine Of Venus.” I asked him if he would be kind enough to read it; he said no.
Convinced I was every bit as talented as Patty Chayefsky and with balls the size of Buick hubcaps I asked “Why not?” I’ll never forget his reply.
He asked “Do you enjoy John Wayne movies?” I answered yes. He then said. I hate reading photoplays the same way John Wayne hates rustlers.
Not to totally discourage me he gave me a dollar and offered this;
“Don’t stop writing. If your script is any good you can throw it in the middle of the street in front of this restaurant at dinner time and it will make it to the screen in a year.
My next job was selling matresses door-to-door which in infinitely easier than getting someone to read a script; God I hate that; the same way Nixon hated Commies – worse even; the same way nurse Ratched hated Nicholson.
Maybe you’d have gone farther if you knew it was PaDDy.
Look . . . I’ve been on both sides of it a hundred times . . . so I understand his frustration . . . I’ve asked friends or people I know to read my project and have had everyone who is vertical, asking me to read theirs.
So, I understand . . .
But you try to be as gracious as you can about it and not get embittered like this . . . however, frustrating it is.
The best advice is just say no – yeah, I know . . . trite . . .
But if you can’t read it and don’t have time then just say so . . .
Otherwise, inevitably, you will find yourself in this situation.
And when you do – again, try to be gracious.
Now, Josh is saying, “Hey, I’ve tried to be gracious but this guy won’t let me be gracious. HE should be gracious.”
And here you are:
Your screed is published on Nikki Finke and . . .
I agree with a lot of what’s been said here and a lot of non-writers just have no clue how much torture writers go through when asked to give feedback. But I get the feeling that this is just the pent up emotions of a one time feeling– to raise a generation of actually decent writers you have to be willing to read their fucking script. But you can’t let the script invade your life like this one did.
As a psychotherapist, we call this “setting boundaries.”
Somehow I like the term “no, hell no, and phucking no” better…
We’ve all met that dick who can’t write who is forcing their script on you. However, it is not the worst pain I have ever felt. It’s more pain when they actually get their script made, which happens all the time.
But you know what? Ask Josh anyway. Clearly his favorite thing to do is worry about whether he’s an asshole or not. Many writers are like that. I have my own blog, so I KNOW what I’m talking about.
I Hope you find time to read this.
Its the story of the rise of a so-so talented guy who acts like a Fuckstick when he is on top. Forgets how he got there.
Tragic but inevitable for him,his luck runs out. On his way down, there is nobody who gives a fuck and are actually are happy to see him fail. “NEXT”
I call it “The History of Douch-baggery” (true story)
DYING MAN: Doctor? >GASP< Are you a doctor?
HYPOTHETICAL DR. OLSON: OH, I GUESS YOU WANT SOME FREE CPR OR SOMETHING?!
You’re completely right. Health care SHOULD be free for all, and it’s a crime the US is so far behind on this issue compared to countries with a system of socialised medecine.
The analogy makes no sense whatsoever, but you’re right about the free health care aspect.
People ask me to read their scripts all the time. It makes me uncomfortable but that is my problem. I don’t think of them as “dicks” even if they are making me uncomfortable. People will not always act in your very favorite way and that doesn’t make them bad people. They don’t know what it’s like to be you. That goes with the territory of doing something special.
You don’t have an obligation to read their scripts. It’s not true that they are forcing you into some impossible conundrum. Read their script, or don’t, and learn how to refuse like a human being.
To throw this carefully worded tantrum for all to read is just sad. Grow up or stop meeting people so that they won’t bother you.
Oh, and also could you please read my script?
A good writer would not have to use the word “fucking.”
“13. Omit needless words.
“Vigorous writing is concise. A sentence should contain no unnecessary words, a paragraph no unnecessary sentences, for the same reason that a drawing should have no unnecessary lines and a machine no unnecessary parts.”
The Elements of Style, 1st Ed. 1918
great essay. thanx josh!
Douchebag. Okay, EVERYONE in Hollywood from the lowliest intern to the loftiest studio toppers are besieged by people wanting them to read their screenplays. On my first day in the mailroom at my first job at a talent agency I was asked by a US postal worker to read his wife’s screenplay. Fifteen years later, I’ve got FB friends from elementary school emailing me PDFs with their screenplays. Everyone has their own way of dealing with this, but complaining about this is like living in LA and complaining about the traffic. I mean, seriously, a “writer” (excuse me, an “artist”) sits down to write an impassioned essay which he’s going to disseminate widely, and it’s about this?? Frankly, I’d prefer to read a screed on traffic in LA. What a waste of blog space, and what a total douchebag. This guy really needs to get over himself.
This is a pretty great article, but at the same time, who does Josh Olson think he is? History of Violence is garbage and he hasn’t done anything else even remotely decent.
Coming from an obviously angry, miserable, frustrated writer, Josh shows his real colors. He’s an asshole. Simply put. As a director, I hate working with insecure, self involved, myopic writers who think that they are the only person in the filmmaking process.
Exactly. Footage of Olsen on the DVD for History of Violence has him acknowledging that it was Cronenberg who helped make the script work.
Short term memory loss…
This is absolutely brilliant. And it’s what every single executive, writer, director, producer and script consultant in town thinks and feels but you have to be a true A-Lister to say it and get away with it. I have met Josh Olson – and he’s not a dick at all. He is, however, a fantastic writer and I thank him endlessly for saying what I’ve been called an asshole for saying for years! Brilliant! EVERY wannabe writer should read this article!
Picasso wrote screenplays?
To all you people ranting about what a douchebag Josh is:
You realize that if he’d written a nice, reasoned essay about how to politely decline a request to read a script that it never would have been published, right?
You realize that having a strong POV is what editors want, right?
You realize that Olson’s screed is all over the net and FB and will probably become a classic piece of Hollywood lore, right?
That’s why he’s successful. Not because he’s right, or nice or even being totally honest but because he knows how to provoke a strong reaction from his audience.
Exactly!
Asking you to read a script and give an opinion is like asking a painter to paint your room? Wouldn’t it be more like asking a painter to give his opinion of the paint job you just did?
If he asked you to write the book, then it would be like asking a painter to paint your room.
Obviously, analogies were not used in the original material you adapted.
A painter’s opinion takes 10 seconds. A writer’s opinion of someone else’s work takes 10 hours.
Why can’t you fuckwits understand this?
That’s why he was pushed to the point of saying “fucking” a hundred times.
really? i have written 30 scripts professionally including one of the big summer tent poles this year and I always try to read everything anyone ever asks me to. or at least take the time to offer advice because that’s what people did for me. they read my stuff or watched my first film and gave me advice and direction. i am sure they had better things to do but that’s the way it’s supposed to work. so i not only do it, i don’t complain about it like a bratty self-satisfied asshole. in fact, helping out the young guy (or gal) is often the only thing I do that doesn’t make me feel like a shallow, selfless, useless, hollywood fuckhead like Josh Olson. i tip well, too. what about you, Josh? or can’t you bothered to share a little of the wealth when it comes to your precious time or money?
also, i agree with above comment. No i won’t finish your rambling, redundant ranting badly written essay.
Picasso???????????? He compares himself to Picasso?????????
What a jackass. What an egotistical fucking douchebag who is apparently unable to manage the most basic social interactions without whining about it and feeling superior to those ‘below him’. Let’s see, instead of reading the gdamned 2 page treatment and politely suggesting a few changes, he lets himself become angst-ridden over something that for most of us is a small price to pay for success in Hollywood…
Hey Josh, I’m not going to read your fucking script either. Which might suck for you as I am a producer… But hey, you don’t need me, your oscar nom can produce your next movie, and you’re probably too far ‘above’ me anyway.
and Stevie, did you use your real name for attention? Are people really beating down your door for advice? Somehow I doubt that’s the case.
Man what an arrogant asshole you are Josh Olson. If your more then willing to rant to the world about some poor slob looking for guidance, I can only only imagine what your like in the flesh. Fuck off you inhuman bastard.
My sentiments exactly. That was beautiful. Amen.
Have to chime in, I’ve been asked to provide ‘honest’ feedback on crap, for free, and when I did the guy lost all interest in ever talking to me again. Fine, you asked for it and the world was spared yet another vampire story – with a twist!
And yet, it was a 2-page synopsis, not a script. So change the title of your fucking essay to reflect that, or get over yourself. Better yet, tell the next one that story about the two stacks of scripts. They’ll be so put off by your douchery they’ll back away before making eye contact again.
My experience is that when novice writers ask you to read, they’re not looking for “a few tough notes to give the illusion of honesty, and then some pats on the head.”
The fantasy in their heads is that you’ll call up and say, “Congratulations, kid: this is the best screenplay I ever read. I called my agent, and he’s driving over here to read it. He already called Spielberg. He’s promised to stay up late reading. If I’m any judge of material – and I am! – by tomorrow afternoon, you’ll be holding a check for two million dollars!” The fantasy ends with them cooly replying, “Not a penny less than three.”
While I really appreciate Josh’s position – my fiance is a producer and we have had countless weekends and nights ruined by bad scripts because he actually reads every page – it presents one inescapable contradiction… at one point in time, someone read his first script.
So it goes.
I read a lot of scripts. I totally get where Josh is coming from. The most dreaded five words in all of Hollywood are “Will you read my script?”
I hate reading scripts too – HATE, HATE, HATE – unless there’s (a) a name on one I recognize, whose work I actually admire, or (b) some “buzz” surrounding it – and even then, I’m only mildly aroused. (Maybe once I start reading the script, I start enjoying it… usually, no.)
Josh, you couldn’t have said it better, really. More, perhaps.
… the irony? I detested A HISTORY OF VIOLENCE, and particularly because of its pedestrian script.
Someone told me once: If you want to make it as a writer in Hollywood, you want to befriend everyone, every type of person at all levels in the industry… except other writers.
“No one knows anything” – the default rule – refer to it at all times, under all circumstances, whatever anyone fucking tells you.
Guyark….
You reflect a MAJOR PROBLEM with this industry as of late. If you HATE reading scripts… Get out of the business. Go back to accounting or get your MBA or trade stocks or something but get out of the entertainment business. Reading scripts is not a chore. It’s not a necessary evil. Only reading scripts that have “buzz” or is from a “name” is not the answer either. You’re a lemming. Reading scripts is like breathing. If you want to be a writer, you need to read. If you want to be a director, you need to read. If you want to be a producer, you need to read a great deal. If your a studio executive, your supposed to read and the good ones do. We make films and television shows. They all start with scripts. If you get them covered and the coverage comes back good, you’ve got to read the script to make sure. If the coverage comes back bad. You had better read the script to make sure some 22 year old kid didn’t pass on Forrest Gump which goes to the number one rule in hollywood, trust noone. Seriously Guyark if you HATE HATE HATE something that much. Fucking give it up, go work for the mortgage industry. The same goes for the asshole Josh Olson. I hope he never gets old because there might be a day where he’ll struggle to get read. It happened to some of the greats.
why is this guy an asshole exactly? I’m a TV writer and so I know for a fact that josh (like myself) doesn’t just have one person asking him to read a script, HE HAS ONE PERSON A DAY ASKING HIM! Like he has nothing better to do in his life? It’s so fucking rude. Josh, just do what I do, I tell people I”d love to read their script, but my show makes me sign an agreement that I wont while under their employ. Dumbass people who think they can write because it’s not a skill won’t know you’re lying b.c they dont know the biz.
good tactic. I can’t read your script ’cause I’m under contract.
I’m a writer and I get asked to read people’s scripts at least once a week. I think people’s overwhlemingly negative response here reflects a good deal of defensiveness.
I asked a shitload of people to read my early work. Many people kindly said yes. Most of them never got around to it. Which is what I expected. Because they’re human. They have other shit to do. They were only saying yes to be polite. And trying to be a writer is HARD. This is one of the reasons, people. Getting someone to read your work is difficult. It’s disingenuous to get all up-in-arms about it. This is one of the levels of the video game you fight your way through. Everybody knows it.
I think people are overreacting to Josh’s tone, which I felt was humorously exasperated. I totally got it. Then again, I am successful, seasoned, and confident in my own ability. If Josh and I met he’d probably WANT to read my next script.
You people can get there too. Just do what I did. Write every day for about 20 years. Accrue more professional rejection in five years than most Americans probably experience in a lifetime. Fail publicly, many times. Rewrite and rewrite and rewrite. And rewrite. Marry writing and get way the fuck past the honeymoon stage.
Do that and then maybe one day you’ll be good enough. Maybe, maybe not.
What I’m trying to say here is this: nobody owes you anything.
Dilettantes and people who just want to be told they’re awesome are more than a time suck. They’re insulting to those of us who actually paid our dues and are actually working our asses off.
The easiest slip from this situation would be to say that all writers are paranoid and give terrible script advice – give it to that producer over there. There you’re home free!
Memorable jeremiad, much needed.
Now how can we get agents, producers, directors, Production VPs and D-people to fucking read our fucking scripts when it’s their fucking job to fucking read them?
I had never heard the name “Josh Olson” until 3 days ago when he began blasting crap on the Leno post. Now, I see his work for the first – and last, time. Based on what I’ve read, in my opinion he’s a sanctimonious, pompous guy, and I’m embarrassed to be part of the same union.
Josh, by many measuring sticks, I’m probably more successful than you. When I’m asked to read something, I frequently do. Most of it is crap, and I don’t read very much. I say something pleasant, but non-encouraging. It seems to work.
By the way, I think you’ve significantly damaged yourself in Hollywood with your posts and essays on this site in the past week.
For someone who gets work despite any apparent talent,
Olson shouldn’t be so hard on wannabe screenwriters. In my
opinion, he’s still one himself
Somewhere I think Paul Haggis is just shaking his head. I love when writers with no credits act like they are better than their results show. What’s next the guy who wrote Baby Geniuses going off about about the Hollywood system being full of too much red tape?? This seems like the ultimate PR move.
Hey Josh,
Can you read my script?
I look forward to hearing from you soon.
Best Regards,
Your cousins sons girlfriends brother.
You’re wrong. I know Paul Haggis. I worked with Paul Haggis… No, I don’t think I can go on and say he’s a friend of mine but…
Though we’d worked on a TV pilot together, when I asked him to read a synopsis of another project he politely said. Don’t send it to me. I’m incredibly busy with paid projects. I won’t read it but I’ll feel guilty.
Fair dues. Imagine asking a heart surgeon for a free cardiogram and consultation between their triple bypass surgeries.
It ain’t fair, and Josh and Paul Haggis are being fair
Someday soon Josh will want someone to read his fucking script. I wonder how that will go:
“Yeah, I adapted History of Violence. That was me.”
“That was a mediocre piece of crap that really went nowhere.”
“But what about that sex scene on the stairs?”
“Self-conscious drivel.”
“What about that scene where he runs all the way to town? That was awesome, wasn’t it?”
“Wasn’t that from The Road?”
“I did it first.”
“So what do you want me to read?”
“It’s called the History of More Violence”
“Is that a sequel?”
“Actually it’s a prequel. I embellish all the flashbacks from the first movie.”
“Nah, I’ll pass.”
“But Spielberg came to my premier once.”
“No thank you.”
“It’s got lots of anger and swears.”
“I’ve got to go shop for a new softball bat.”
“But I’m Josh Fucking Olsen!”
“And I will not read your fucking script.”
A History of Violence has nothing to do with softball. Or high school.
It was the movie starring Viggo Mortensen, Maria Bello, William Hurt, Ed Harris, etc. (and directed by David Cronenberg), that was about a man who became a hero in his town through an act of violence. This then set off interesting repercussions in his and his family’s life, bringing his past into question…
Nothing to do with softball whatsoever.
If Olson put half as much time and effort into his actual scripts as he does giving podcasts and kissing his own ass on the Internet… well maybe he would have some projects that weren’t in development hell.
Novice writers who ask you to read their script are not looking for feedback. Hell, they’re not even looking for a pat on the back.
The chances that a single person will recognize a script that can get $50mil+ at the box office (even if they’re a professional reader) – pretty damn low. We all like to think that we can spot talent, but the truth is we’ve all got our own subjective views on what’s good and what isn’t. Beverly Hills Chihuahua did $100mil domestic, and I can pretty much guarantee the majority of people would have passed on the script.
They’re not looking for feedback – they’re looking for networking. They want you to be able to go “Well, that’s not the kind of stuff I usually go for… but I know someone who might”.
It’s not about the script being good or not, it’s about finding the right audience. Spending days agonizing over the critique for a 2-page synopsis? Get over yourself.
Those who enjoyed Josh’s piece may also enjoy this one, written by Terry Rossio (Shrek, Mark of Zorro, Pirates of the Caribbean) for Wordplayer a few years ago:
Throw in the Towel
Screenwriting Column 34
by Terry Rossio
You don’t get to hear the truth much in this town, so listen up. I’m gonna back up the truck and unload. Harsh truths, right here, right now. And we’re gonna start with the most brutal:
You people really aren’t much good at writing screenplays.
In fact, your writing pretty much sucks.
I tried to be different. I tried to leave the door cracked open a bit. I politely asked you to send me only good stuff, your best stuff. And for years now I’ve been deluged by a storm of crappy query letters and mind-numbing script submissions. So many I can’t keep up, can’t even respond to them all. And not one of them has been any damn good.
Now I’m about ready to slam the door shut, and lock it down like how they do in cartoons, with a whole series of barricades and bolts and latches and such.
It’s disappointing. Especially after offering all this advice and encouragement. But man, I’m tired. Tired of being informative and helpful and optimistic. Tired of wasting my time answering your pedestrian-at-best e-mails and faxes and message board questions.
Tired of inventing nice ways to avoid telling you all that your writing sucks.
Hollywood, it is said, is the only place where you can die of encouragement.
Well, not here. Not anymore.
Your writing sucks.
You simply cannot write to a professional level. And you probably never will. It’s a safe bet to say that none of you will ever make a sale, anywhere, anytime; to think otherwise is just deluding yourselves. It’s a waste of your time, and that pains me, and it’s a waste of my time, and that pains me more.
Got it?
Oh, of course not. I knew you wouldn’t. I know you people all too well. You’ve been conditioned to ‘keep trying,’ and to ‘never give up.’ to ‘believe in yourself’ and to ‘keep following your dreams.’ Hey, I’m as guilty as anyone, with this oh-so-encouraging Website, with all those inspiring little quotes and professional tips and all. Like it was ever a good idea to make a bunch of people struggle on, no matter what the cost, against all common sense, with no real prospect of success.
Y’know what? I actually feel a little guilty. I do. I feel like I’ve been calling for a puppy to come jump up on the couch, knowing full well he can’t make it, but calling anyway, just to watch him try his best and fall back on the floor.
The worst of it is, I know exactly why I’ve been doing it. Because it made me feel important. Made me feel like the big successful expert, amongst all you floundering newbies.
A big fish in my own pond.
So yeah, there’s a dab of guilt that motivates me to come clean, here, to continue on and write this column. And I do have to continue on, of course. I knew there was no hope that one quick little splash of reality would get through to any of you, because –
– oh –
– oh, wait a second, that’s right –
– I almost forgot –
– you’re the special case.
You’re the once-in-a-generation manifestation of talent personified. The exception to all the rules. You know that there’s only a tiny amount of room in this business for only the absolute most talented, but it’s always all those other people who’re gonna get squeezed out by the numbers game. Soon, very soon, the industry is just gonna fall all over itself to recognize your unique genius.
If only you could juuuuuust get the right people to juuuuuust read your work, they’d see how very SPECIAL you are.
Riiiiight.
Hmm, funny how all those OTHER people out there trying, they each think THEY’RE the special case too, and that you’re part of the loser crowd.
How could that be?
Could it be you’re ALL part the loser crowd?
Free yourself, this instant, from the fever dream, from the slow agony of your doomed-from-the-start efforts.
Are you getting even a glimpse of the idea here?
Oh, no. Of course not. Not yet. Not even close. And heck, I knew the sarcasm bit wasn’t going to have any real effect. I was just venting a little, there. You folk are actually quite clever, in your own way. You’re smart and educated and savvy. Way too savvy for that line of reasoning to work.
So, sorry.
I apologize for that.
Changing tacks, now.
Lemme speak to you as a friend, someone who genuinely does care (well, a little bit) about you. And I’m gonna make it real easy for you. I am going to give you the best professional advice you will ever get in your life, right now. Here we go. You should stop reading this column at the end of this paragraph. (I’m not kidding. Please, you should really do this.) Then, you should immediately drag all your writing notes to the trash, along with your uncompleted next script. (The world will not miss it, believe me.) Then, find a big fireplace and burn all your old screenplays, too (hell, none of them are really finished anyway, right? And you know in your heart they never will be.) And then you can throw away all those useless ‘how to’ screenwriting books (yes, including any of these inane Wordplay columns you might have lying around). Just do it. Now. Think of how good it will feel. Be decisive. Free yourself, this instant, from the fever dream, from the slow agony of your doomed-from-the-start efforts. A clean break. Then you can go out into the world and start living a real life. Travel a little, get a job at something you can actually do, something that takes you out into the sunlight, something that lets you meet people, be a part of something real. The end of the paragraph is coming up, and I’m telling you, you should do it RIGHT NOW — and I bet, deep in your heart, you already know the reason why. One simple and overwhelmingly incontrovertible truth. BECAUSE YOUR LIFE WILL BE BETTER FOR IT. Please, pause and just give it five seconds’ thought, before you go on. Be honest with yourself, for once, before it’s too late. And just admit the truth: at the center of your being, you can’t deny that this is right.
How many times will the kids not get the attention they deserve because ‘Daddy’s trying to write something’ that nobody wants to read?
Still here?
Damn.
You’re blowing it, man.
You’re really blowing it. You’re making a mistake.
I tell you, there’s nothing at all interesting to read from here on, promise. So just quit now.
Oh, okay, I know what it is. You’re smiling to yourself, you’re thinking this column is somehow all tongue-in-cheek. The reverse-psychology thing. Like I try to encourage you to quit, and that makes you want to work even harder, try even more.
You think I didn’t know you’d think that? Yeah, sure, there’s an element of that going on here. But it’s just a device, something I’m using, a sneaky way for me to hit you with some hard truths, some real truths I couldn’t effectively say any other way. There is honesty in this column, and you know it… like how in every good joke, there’s always something real and true at its core.
That’s what I’m really trying to do here (and you’re smart enough to see it). And I’m not quitting. Oh, no, I’m not even warmed up. This is important, and I’m gonna give it my best shot.
Because what’s at stake here is pretty damn big… oh, just, let’s say, your life. A wasted life, potentially, or at least wasting the best years of your life. Days, months, years of effort endlessly trying to do something that you’ll never be able to do well. And how many sunsets will you miss before you finally give up? How many walks in the moonlight are forever gone? How much laughter with friends are you willing to sacrifice? How many times will the kids not get the attention they deserve because ‘Daddy’s trying to write something’ that nobody wants to read?
You’re chasing a dream of a place that doesn’t exist, that has no room for you if it did.
Oh. Gee. Did that one get to you a little?
Feel a little twinge in the pit of your stomach?
Good.
Because these are simple truths, really. They live within you already — I’m just bringing them out into the light.
A few weeks ago, I was driving on the freeway when a dog, a Great Dane, stepped out into traffic. I managed to swerve, but as I passed, I got a good look at the expression on the dog’s face. He was lost, confused, but focused on the far side of the freeway for some unknown reason, determined to get across, oblivious to the many cars whipping past. I managed a quick glance in my rear-view mirror, watching as he took a few more steps, and then was blind-sided in the head by an oncoming truck. The body spun around several times before it hit the ground.
It was chilling. And terribly sad.
Yeah, I’m saying that you people are as clueless in your determination as that dog. You’re lost, you’re ruining your lives. You’re chasing a dream of a place that doesn’t exist, that has no room for you if it did. It’s pathetic, it’s painful to watch, and I’m tired of it.
Okay.
I tried sarcasm, I tried friendly and nice.
I even made a weak stab at harsh brutal reality. And you’re still here.
What do I have to do?
A few more truths?
Like: the mindless drivel Hollywood churns out is only rivaled by the mindless drivel you churn out to replace it. Like: there’s a reason this industry invented coverage readers — writers like you.
Like: did you know that we all can tell by page one that your script is no good? To begin with, you can’t even put two words together to create an effective title, let alone write a whole script. (Will any of you ever come up a decent title? Jesus, it’s just a couple words!) Next, there’s wrong formatting, poor spelling, wrong page length, those clever pictures and photos you include, and oh! the colorful script covers, and that cute little copyright notice and WGAw registration number you always put on the cover page. There’s pedestrian dialogue, descriptions that are either self-consciously clever or impenetrably dense.
Actually, sometimes, a script is so bad, we do read past page one. Like the ghastly fascination of watching a train wreck as it happens.
Readers, bless their beleaguered hearts, are forced to read all the way to the end of your convoluted efforts. The upside of this is that the coverage can include all the real howler lines of bad dialogue. (The downside… well, it’s a little-known fact, but the suicide rate amongst readers is just a notch below psychiatrists. Not a big mystery, when you consider the jobs are similar: dealing with wackos.) Seriously, I always warn readers who work for us: if you take this job, you will be forcing the convoluted, incomprehensible and just plain icky dreams of others into your brain. It is actually mentally painful to read bad writing, to put that meandering illogic into your thoughts. Makes you want to take a shower afterwards.
And again, let me emphasize, I’m talking about you.
Look around the room. See anybody else there trying to become a screenwriter, reading this column? Anyone other than you? No?
Bingo.
Can’t you go buy a copy of a good script, put it side by side with yours, and see how bad yours is?
All right. You folk have been clamoring for years, ‘How do I know if I have any talent?’ As a matter of fact, you don’t, but here’s how you can tell. There are some common attributes that successful writers have. Attributes that you — yes, that’s right, you — seem to lack. As long as you’re still reading, I’ll take the time to go through the list. These attributes are the final nails in your coffin, and then you can lay your screenwriting dreams to rest:
1. SUPER-OBJECTIVITY
Good writers know the quality of their writing relative to industry standards. They know when they’ve come up with a clever plot twist, a good character entrance, an effective opening sequence. They can tell good work regardless of whether or not they’re the ones who came up with that work —- something YOU don’t seem to be able to do. How can you possibly think that last spec you sent out is as good as BODY HEAT, or BROADCAST NEWS? Can’t you go buy a copy of a good script, put it side by side with yours, and see how bad yours is? And if you can see how weak yours is by comparison, why did you send it out?
2. LOVE OF READING
Good writers all love to read. Most of them started at a young age, reading voraciously anything they could get their hands on: adventure stories, science fiction, mysteries, classics, comic books, whatever. I feel sorry for people who realize they want to be writers late in life — it’s nearly impossible to duplicate the knowledge background one can acquire as a kid, because you never again really have the time and the focus. And I think there’s just a right age to read “Treasure Island” or see DARBY O’GILL AND THE LITTLE PEOPLE. An age where those stories will have maximum impact, and create an internal touchstone for good, solid story sensibilities.
Simply put, you haven’t read enough. Really good writers have vast libraries, full collections from Shakespeare volumes to back issues of “Swamp Thing.” Good writers can’t pass a bookstore without going inside. You, on the other hand, choose to write in genres you know nothing about, and you don’t do any research before starting — so you have no idea whether that wonderful new idea of yours is in fact novel, or horribly hackneyed.
Let me assure you, it’s the latter.
3. KNOWLEDGE
Good writers not only read, they remember what they’ve read. Minds like steel traps, they’re pack rats for information. Show me a great writer, I’ll show you a “Trivial Pursuit” champion. And so they tend to be great storytellers, great conversationalists. Hang around a bunch of successful writers and be amazed. If you can recite the opening paragraph of “A Tale of Two Cities,” recount the plots of every Hope/Crosby road picture, recite all the lyrics to Leonard Cohen’s “Suzanne,” or name every artist who did a cover for the Alan Moore run of “Swamp Thing,” you haven’t even scratched the surface of the kind of stuff these guys know.
Beyond general information, what do you really know about film? Who is Ennio Morricone? Name the Clint Eastwood spaghetti westerns. Quick, George Lucas just asked you to name your favorite Kurosawa film. What do you think of Rod Steiger — do you think he can do a southern accent?
And those are the easy ones. Who are Siegel and Shuster? What does Hank Azaria do well? What is the most famous visual associated with Harold Lloyd? Quick, Spielberg just asked you your opinion on the ending of ONE-EYED JACKS. What do you say?
All of those are easy ones, too. If you don’t know the answers, give up now. You’ll just make a fool of yourself the minute you step through the door.
You simply don’t know near as much as you need to know to even pretend to be a writer. And there’s a reason for it, actually — you don’t happen to have the right kind of brain. It’s not your fault, just a physiological truth. The capacity of your frontal lobe, or whatever, just isn’t big enough. Just as some people are not tall enough to be basketball players, you lack the physical tools — the actual brainpower — necessary to become a good writer. Tough luck, but there’s nothing to be done.
4. INSIGHT
Good writers have something to say. They observe life, recognize underlying patterns and offer insights into the nature of the human heart. So even if, by some stretch of definition, you do, occasionally, write something — the truth of it is, your writing is mediocre. You offer only the most obvious and common of themes, and so the competition from real writers will just blow you away. Even though you try hard, your writing remains shallow, meaningless, and so essentially worthless.
You’re just not very wise, not a poet, and certainly no genius with words. I recommend you go read some work by Ray Bradbury or Theodore Sturgeon to see brilliant insight combined with masterful use of written language. “I’ve read Theodore Sturgeon, I’ve worked with Theodore Sturgeon, and you, my writer friend, are no Theodore Sturgeon.”
5. INTELLIGENCE
Most really good writers are pretty smart. You’re not smart enough to compete with them.
6. COURAGE
It takes courage to be a writer. Courage to face yourself, work through your demons, and make your art. Courage to put your work out into the world, and unflinchingly face the response.
You, on the other hand, will sell out in a second. Without the courage to take a stand and keep it, your writing is compromised from the start. You don’t write from your heart, from the inside out, but to please others, from the outside in.
7. SPEAKING ABILITY
By the way, did you know that you will have to pitch? Give interviews? Argue persuasively for your creative point of view before a roomful of people? Think fast on your feet, or lose the assignment, lose the story point to someone else’s vision?
You’ve seen true pros on television, or up there on those panel discussions. They’re witty, they’re compelling, they’re entertaining.
Can you entertain? Nope. I’ve seen you. You mumble, eyes downcast; your thoughts peter out as you say them.
Face it, the type of people who make it in Hollywood are raconteurs, Renaissance Man types, salesmen as well as artists — and con artists. They are exceptional people, a breed apart. You’re really just a film-goer, another face in the crowd.
8. SOLID GROUND
Why do you think you can write when your life is a mess? Why do you think that failing in other fields qualifies you to be a writer?
Let me clue you in. Good writers have support networks. They have friends, and lovers. Their lives are in order. Many of them are wealthy to begin with, so they have time and resources to dedicate to the task.
You, with your failed relationships, your messy apartment, psycho-loser friends, your psychological problems, your last-legs car, and your overdue bills to pay… do you really think you can mount a sustained effort to be a screenwriter?
9. THOROUGHNESS
When Ted and I were trying to break into the business, our final step was always to read every word we wrote out loud. And still we missed typos and mistakes. I remember printing out screenplays late at night, usually around 2:00 AM. I’d be looking at page 89 coming out of the printer (one of the old daisy-wheel types) and notice some small typo. It was late, I was exhausted, and the script was due the next day. But I would always choose to stop printing, open the file, make the change, and reprint the whole thing — even if it meant just a correction of spelling or fixing some tiny mistake of grammar. Always. And if the page break didn’t look exactly right, I’d take the time to fix it. The script had to be perfect.
You, on the other hand, send in work without reviewing it. You give us spelling errors, and obvious grammatical errors — even in the cover letter. You can’t be bothered by proper format. In short, you lack that almost obsessive need to get it exactly right, which means, in the final tally, it never will be exactly right.
10. DEDICATION
I could have traveled the world. I could have played poker with my friends on Friday nights. I could have made out on the beach under the stars with my girl. I could have raced demolition derby at a small town racetrack. I could have done drugs, or hung out at bars to pick up women, or gone stargazing in the desert. I could have stayed in school or played drums in a rock band. I could have married and had kids. Instead, I chose to stay at home, sit in front of the damn computer, and write screenplays.
You’re not really up to that level of sacrifice, are you? It’s okay. It just means you’re human. Too human, really, to be a writer. You value the prospect of having a normal life. You want love, and family, and time with your friends. You’d rather see the world and have real experiences, instead of living out your days trapped in your imagination.
See, for the people who really make it in this business, the choices are easy. Nothing is as important as the film. They neglect their children, they get divorces, they play the power game, they do whatever they need to do to make it. That’s your competition.
You might be able to hold your own against them for a month or two. But that’s all. Their natural abilities match their ambitions, so for them, performing the job is not a sacrifice, not an endless anxiety-filled struggle. Consider Jeffrey Katzenberg. For you or me to keep that man’s schedule would be impossible. It would kill us. But he thrives on it — to him, not working would be the struggle.
But you’re not like that.
Face it, the truth is, you’re just not ‘cut out’ to be a screenwriter.
11. WORDS
Good writers love words. Shout out an unfamiliar word and watch them stampede to the dictionary. They collect words, treasuring them, enjoying every subtle nuance of the language. They enjoy telling words what to do, and having the words stand in line and do it. They’re Eskimos when it comes to snow — but to you, it’s all just cold and white.
12. PROLIFICACY
Consider this: in the afterward of Stephen King’s book “Different Seasons,” he explains how the four stories in the volume came about. Each one was written after he had completed writing one of his novels. He writes, “…[I]t’s as if I’ve always finished the big job with just enough gas left in the tank to blow off one good-sized novella.” So he wrote “The Body” after “Salem’s Lot.” “Apt Pupil” after “The Shining.” “Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redemption” after “The Dead Zone.” And “Breathing Method” after “FireStarter.”
Now just stop and think about this. Here’s a writer who, after finishing a best-selling novel, has the ability to sit down and knock out a masterfully-written novella in a matter of days. And three of these ‘afterthought’ books have been adapted into major motion pictures.
Now that’s prolific. Like the Hugh Grant character says in FOUR WEDDINGS AND A FUNERAL, “I don’t know how I’ve been spending my time.”
And what have you done in the last couple years, in the same time that King has turned out eight new novels, and Spielberg has produced and/or directed 10 new films?
13. ADVOCATES
Visionaries may be ahead of their time, and unsold — but they at least have people on their side, actively promoting their work. In order to make it as a writer in Hollywood, your script has to be the one somebody plucks out of the pile and says, “Now this! This is what I’ve been looking for!”
Y ou need advocates. You need mentors.
At age 21, George Lucas was hanging out with Francis Ford Coppola and Peter Bogdanovich. Who are you hanging out with?
If no one is getting behind your work, consider that it may be because the work isn’t any good.
14. TASTE
This truth may be the hardest to take of all. The only thing a writer has to sell is his decision-making ability. A professional writer usually has a pretty accurate sense of what’s cool. From character names to plot twists to lines of dialogue, a good writer sells his taste for what he thinks is neat and fun. That’s the writer’s voice, his style. It’s an innate sense of what feels right.
Bad writers have this ability, too — only their sensibilities cause them to consistently pick the wrong choice.
I hate to tell you, but even if you are lucky enough to have one great film idea… your instincts are going to cause you to mess it up.
The one thing you need to sell is the one thing you can’t sell. Your instincts will tell you to go left when you should go right, dooming you to failure.
You may sense this, and give up on having a voice altogether. And you start to look to others to copy for your voice.
You become a parrot. You mimic.
15. TALENT
I’ll always remember a line from Larry Bird’s biography. It was right at the beginning, at a description of how Larry came to start playing basketball. Apparently he went out to a court, and just started shooting around with a bunch of friends. The descriptive line then said, “He noticed that his shot always went in.”
That’s such a powerful line to me, because it indicates the pre-existence of his ability. He didn’t practice for years — not until later, anyway. At first, he just ‘noticed’ that he had this amazing ability.
It’s that magical thing called talent. It’s something that you notice you have. You can’t invent it, it’s got to be there. And if you don’t notice it, if people aren’t telling you that you have it, you have to consider the probability that it doesn’t exist.
And without talent, you’ll never make it in this business.
If you’re not willing to fight — and I mean stand up in a room and yell for your convictions — you will get eaten.
*****
In the realm of completely outlining the subject here, I’ve got just a few more issues to raise. I don’t even need to be in truth-telling personal-insult mode any more. Because the rest of this isn’t so much about you, it’s about Hollywood. And it’s stuff pretty much everyone knows:
1. AGE
Have I mentioned that you’re too old? Filmmaking is a young person’s game. If you’re past 30, and you don’t have a feature film credit yet, be concerned. Every day younger players are getting in line ahead of you.
2. RACE, GENDER, RELIGION, SOCIO-ECONOMIC BACKGROUND
This is a town of rich white males — for rich white males. The religions are predominately Christian and Jewish. If you don’t fit the bill, you’re not going to fit in, you’ve got yet another wall to climb.
3. WHO YOU KNOW
Face it, this is the town that defined nepotism. Not only are there only a few open slots to fill, guess what? Those slots will be filled by the sons and daughters, friends and lovers of people already working in town. Those folk have the inside track. Which leaves even less room for you.
4. COMPETITION
Be under no illusions. This town is built on confrontation. The stakes are high: power, sex, money. And no one is going to give up without a fight.
The stupidest thing you are doing is spending years of your life trying to enter a world you know nothing about. You think being a writer is about creativity and fun.
It’s not.
This whole town is about conflict. Anxiety. Strife. Yelling. Lying. Insulting. Machiavellian power struggles. You must fight for your job every time out, against people who are stronger, more experienced, and who have fewer moral qualms than you. You have to play the game. Do the politics. Struggle to gain power. Argue with the studio at every turn. Try to out-manipulate lawyers and producers and directors and stars. If you’re not willing to fight — and I mean stand up in a room and yell for your convictions — you will get eaten.
5. FAIR PLAY
I hope you don’t think this town is fair. Your ideas will get stolen. You work will get bastardized. Even filmmakers you admire will screw you over, if they get the chance.
Hey. Let’s say you actually are lucky enough to get some interest in one of your scripts. The most likely scenarios:
* The studio executive will assign it to some other writer.
* The project will get shelved and never made.
* A director will come in and mess it up, turn it into something terrible.
* The film will bomb, and the critics will blame the writer.
And the writer won’t even be you, because after filming, the WGA will award credit to some other guy who did some minor work, polishing the script for production.
Through it all, you’ll be helpless to change a thing.
Sound like fun?
6. LUCK
Everyone knows that quality is no guarantee of success. Half the scripts that are produced each year are no better than the thousands that never sell. It’s a matter of the right thing at the right time — which you cannot control. For every one person who hits the jackpot, there are a thousand who keep pulling down the handle, eventually losing it all.
Again, given all these truths, you should do the one and only sensible thing.
Give up now.
Throw in the towel.
Head for the showers, listen as the Fat Lady sings –
All riiiiiight.
Okaaaaaay.
I’m back, folks.
Terry here. The real me.
By now the conceit of this column is no doubt more than apparent. (Heck, it probably moved past apparent long ago, into the realm of belabored.) I’ve been cataloging all the typical anxieties and doubts and fears writers have. I’m a bit of an expert here, having felt all these things myself. I’m afraid the length of this column is a testament to the depth of my own insecurity.
In truth, anxieties and fears and second-guessing are things we all go through. It’s easy enough to write about characters who never say die — but that sentiment can be tough to live out, in the face of continued rejection, when the rent is due.
In this column, I’ve tried to put all the negative thoughts you might have in one place. I hope the nay-saying and insults have stirred you up. Maybe along the lines of, “Who the %#$@!!&* does that +^%$*@! think he is? I have talent, I’m as good as anyone, and I’m going to prove it!”
Because you should be pissed if someone tells you you’re no good, that you can’t do it. And you should be able to shrug off the negative thinking, and prove them wrong. You need to have the confidence to tell everyone they’re full of crap. That you know the right path, and you don’t need anyone’s help.
If you have a dream to write screenplays, I think you should, actually, keep trying to write screenplays.
And now I’ll even tell you — really and truly tell you — when you should give up, throw in the towel, and go home.
Some writers will give themselves a time limit. In fact, that’s what Ted and I did when we were starting out: we gave ourselves 10 years to make a sale (we had our first sale after five).
But a time limit is arbitrary, and I don’t really recommend it.
Instead, you should quit trying only after two conditions have been met:
1.) You’ve given yourself a legitimate shot.
2.) Trying is no longer fun.
Now I’m going to claim that giving yourself a ‘legitimate shot’ is not a matter of time — it’s a matter of execution. (Someone could, I think, write for 10 years and not give themselves a legitimate shot.)
Legitimate shot means you learn proper format. It means you know your genre. It means you write on a concept worth writing. It means researching your subject matter. It means developing an effective style. It means targeting your work, and getting it before professionals. It means holding back your work until it is as good as can be. It mean putting out a body of work, if that’s what it takes. It means learning to shoot your own film (such as BOTTLE ROCKET or EL MARIACHI) if that’s what it takes.
In short, it means doing everything right — so the industry can effectively judge your talent.
Now, this industry is so capricious, you could give it a legitimate shot for years and still not make a sale. In which case, you should simply keep trying as long as it is fun to keep trying.
Or, at least, more fun to keep trying than to quit.
At some point, though, you should take seriously the charge of living a good life. Once you’ve satisfied yourself that you’ve given every effort, and failed, and it’s no longer fun to you, then it is, truly, time to find a new challenge and move on. Something else that will bring more satisfaction.
And if, even then, you’re the type to choose to not give up, you love movies that much, well, all I have to say is…
Welcome to the club.
There’s a story about Stella Adler being on stage one night when her character had to shoot a gun the props guy forgot to put within her reach – so she pointed her finger and said “Bang,” convincing the audience she actually had a gun.
So who’s being deceived with your column; the writer who believes he is being deceived, or the writer who believes he isn’t?
The one question you never asked of your obsessed readers is “What do you love about writing. What part of writing can’t you live without?”I assure you the answer will not be money.
The next is taken from a screenplay that sat on my coffee table for six months. It will probably never get produced, however I believe it’s apropos to your column.
Oh and I’m going down to Kinkos to see what clowns are actually laminating this ..something to do “between projects” ok that’s mean…whatevs
Josh, you had me at “fucking.” Seriously. But here’s a reality check for wannabe writers. It takes a lot of work. Hard work. Hours and years, actually, to be a good writer. Malcolm Gladwell kind of time. The rest of it is the innate ability to create a conversation: hearing the spoken word. Of describing what the writer sees and translating it to the page. Then to that you have the removal of idioms and clichés, unless a part of the dialogue (and I am not a screenwriter but am a nonfiction writer). And let’s not forget extraneous crap. Flow is an important concept in writing, as is style.
Can I play basketball like LeBron James? No, nor would I ask him if I could try out for his team. Can I blow glass and craft it for sale? Not hardly. Do I have any clue how to deal with my HVAC system? No. Or my failing car transmission? Nada. Most of the people who do worked hard at their trades, and make more than I do, and I am glad to hire them to help me. I would never presume to ask them if they could watch me have a go at what they do.
Perhaps writing is just the ultimate in esoteric media and yet the most misunderstood one by the wannabe. Because we all can write in some fashion to communicate our points does not make us all writers, just as the ability to speak does not make us all perfect singers or joke-tellers.
And I don’t know how writing teachers can teach writing without saying “fucking” all the time. I can hardly bear the amount of self-published crap out there now and the “writers” who think they are writers because of it.
I’ve always liked Josh, going back to the days when we agreed “Forest Gump” is shit. But too many of you are taking this for scripture, like this talented writer is unable to use words to do more than relay a clinical retelling of his encounter with a friend-of-a-friend who cannot write. I’d put a link to dictionary.com’s listing of “hyperbole” but I’m not sure it would make any difference.
It’s not about luck or a break or grateful due-paying, it’s about a very funny essay rant. Get over yourselves.
I personally know three screenwriters (and am related by marriage to one) who chose to live outside of Hollywood, at least most of the year, but between them have written some heavy-duty scripts for big blockbuster and indy movies in the past 10 years. I am also a writer (nonfiction articles and essays). Do I “dream” of crafting that perfect screenplay and having it come to life? Who doesn’t? Would I ever tell these three seasoned screenwriters or shove them a script? Hell, no!
The reality in watching these three writers is that there are a lot of ebbs and flows in Hollywood and you not only have to have some degree of talent, but you have to have patience. Not all scripts are ever greenlighted. Also, ageism does exist in Hollywood and for male screenwriters, too. You also have to have a degree of luck meeting opportunity. Film school is not a necessity but I’ve noticed a Harvard degree helps enormously. Or being a young, lucky son of a bitchin’ writer. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out now for Josh Olson.
A brilliant piece of writing HISTORY OF VIOLENCE is not, but THIS is awesome. I would try writing comedy, Josh. This angry rant would fit perfectly in Ben Stiller’s mouth.
Brilliant. Reading this made my day. Didn’t know the story on Pablo Picasso — but sure was a compelling one.
This is exactly why Hollywood turns out shit movie after shit movie. Same old boring ass movies that most of the time lose money in theaters. Because people like this idiot who got lucky enough to break into the business and then go onto write Terrible movies. LACK of fresh/new ideas is what’s really sad about hollywood.
Every writer knows the old adage in regards to pitching, querying and seeking reads, “The worst thing that can happen is they say no”
Fortune favors the bold. As a writer you would be doing yourself a disservice if you don’t try to take advantage of every opportunity to have your work read by pros cause you never know what can happen.
This isnt law school or medicine or corporate America where you have established career paths.
There is no road map for breaking in. There is no ladder to climb.
People who are in position to be asked to read others work need to understand that. For every established writer there was someone who said, “yes” to them once upon a time when they werent established.
Now that doesn’t mean we have to read the scripts people ask us to, far from from it. What it does however mean people with John’s attitude need to remember that it’s a break-in-anyway-you-can biz and it’s arrogant for people who have already gotten those breaks suddenly turn their noses up at the system that worked so well for them.
So say no. There is nothing wrong with that.
If you’re uncomfortable with a flat NO–come up with an excuse–Its a legal thing where my atty or company says I can’t read anybody elses work or unsolicted material cause someone can say I stole thier idea–tell’em it happens all the time.
Tell them you are busy with re-writes, that you would like to, but you had some bad experiences with it before so you dont do it anymore i.e. friends should never loan each other money etc…
There is no need to get your painties in a bunch about saying NO and if they do, then you tell them they have a long way to go to becoming a writer, because anybody close to making it has dealt with so much rejection, that a NO is par for the course and a non-issue.
So in summation:
You can’t blame or get mad writer for asking. Never know if you don’t ask.
–If you do, you need a reality check cause you’ve forgotten what it was like to be on the outside and also that you can very easily end up right back out there.
You can’t get mad at someone when they say they won’t read your script. No is part of the game and there are too many fish in the sea.
–If you do, you are nowhere close to being a writer yet. In fact their rejetion means absolutely nothing cause if you get pissy and dont understand why someone wouldnt want to read their script, the odds you of having nothing, but utter shit on the page are slim and none.
and slim just left town.
Writers never stop pitching.
Pitchee’s don’t be snobs and forget where you came from.
If everywhere were to not “bother” established pros, like Mr. Olsen would prefer, where would the next generation of writers come from?
Everybody has to start somewhere and in this biz it can start with a chance encounter anytime, anywhere.
Don’t hate the player, hate the game.
the assumption here is talent equals success equals a pro equals being right in all things pro. there are non-pro successful talents, there are no-talent arrogant successes, there are arrogant talented failures. to succeed you need to learn a few steps of the dance and be lucky and thats it. youre not required not to be an idiot or a gent
to paraphrase the president, they both acted stupidly. the petulance of one and the arrogance of the other. it’s hard to read bad writing. it’s hard to say no. movies are hard. so what’s new? life is hard. this hyperventilating foolishness is embarrassing to witness. those who think is cool are sadistic shallow reagan-era babies who are probably waste of time incarnate. let me get back to writing.
Brilliant.
Just one question. Does anyone want to read my fucking script?
There are some in this biz who get an ego and attitude and then start talking like this, as though they no longer have to be a responsible human being and can say whatever they want. (Unless, of course, this is a PR stunt; in which case, he may recant in a couple of days and got all the press and attention he needs from all of this. And then I’ll say “you’re a genius!”)
It may be true that you have no time to read everyone’s crap script. But it is also a reflection of his character in how he handles those requests. If he doesn’t have time, he could politely say so. Or, he could say to send it to him but there’s about a two year wait on the spec stuff. Something, anything, to show that he has some decency.
It’s easy in this biz as writer, actor, director, producer to become a real ass. This biz is tougher than any other biz on the planet, and people who don’t work in it regularly have no understanding of that and have completely unrealistic and uneducated expectations; so it’s easy to become jaded and turn into a jackass when you respond to outsiders.
But the actual reality is that because you have such a greater understanding about how the world works and how the biz works you have an even greater responsibility to be nice. If you can’t find it within yourself to do that, then you need to take stock and re-evaluate priorities. Because the biz ain’t everything. In fact, you, your character, and your integrity should come before the biz. And this advice comes from someone who adores History of Violence — LOVED that movie.
well said.
Usually Olson is a true gentleman, and those who’ve had the pleasure of working with him will agree. But he’s right on the money here.
I have a close friend. Writer. He’s been asked many times over the years – by amateurs and aspiring writers – to read a piece of their material. Tried to be accomodating. Finally got fed up after reading a lot of crap – for which there was nothing constructive to say. So now – if he’s button-holed at a party or some gathering where a total stranger finds out he’s a writer and asks him to listen to a story that he or she thinks would make a movie or TV show – he stops them and says that he’s a pro – and a member of the Writers Guild – and according to the union rules – if he listens to their story – he needs to be paid five hundred dollars before he can give them any feedback. This seems to stop them cold in their tracks. They hem and haw and back pedal and mumble about not knowing the rules and then slink off, drink in hand and leave him alone. Brilliant I thought. Have yet to be able to use this tactic myself, but assuming I was wearing a hat, I would take it off to him. Maybe Josh can try that one out the next time he feels cornered. In the meantime, I was amused by all the sturm and drang he put himself through over two pages. Once the guy told him he’d been working on 2 pages for that long – I would have told him I can’t read slow enough to justify that kind of effort. And advised him not to give up his day job – assuming he had one.
I have one solution
COVERAGE
get that before asking a writer to read your script, it will cost you 200 bucks
also it is a waste of time for writers to read your scripts, you need agents, producers, directors to read your script and again get proper coverage before you do so or hire a writer to work with you.
finally if you have not had your script bought by a major studio or production house in TV or film you are a jerkoff and you need to take some classes at UCLA, USC where you will learn how to write a screenplay
It’s not that he doesn’t have a valid point (although he beats it to death like an amateur), but- well, his big credit is an adaptation. Which isn’t a bad thing in itself (adaptation is trickier than it looks), but the guys who wrote the original comic- (you know, where the IDEAS come from) have had long and successful careers in their field. And the director (who does the actual work of making the movie) is in fact a living legend. I think what I’m really saying here, Josh, is there is actually a better, more polite reason to turn down reading scripts- GET BUSY WRITING YOUR OWN DAMN STUFF.
All of the people here believing Josh is a hypocrite because they have assumed that the way he broke in was by intruding on a professional writer for some free advice are not very bright.
There’s a proper way to break in.
Acting like an amateur is not one of them.
I think all aspiring screenwriters should send their scripts to Mr. Olson for his opinion.
Josh Olson
c/o Ramses IsHak and Michael Sheresky
9560 Wilshire Blvd., Suite 500
Beverly Hills, Ca 90212-2401
He can start a third pile by his bedside.
Heh heh. Very funny!
I will not pay to watch your fucking movie.
That’s simple enough, isn’t it? “I will not pay to watch your fucking movie.” What’s not clear about that? There’s nothing personal about it, nothing loaded, nothing complicated. I simply have no interest in paying to watch your fucking movie. None whatsoever.
By the time it took you to write that little piss-rank you could have read my FUCKING SCRIPT!
Dickweed!
Get Real DOUCHE BAG!
The History Of Violence was no Godfather or Rashomon. As for Puppy Love and the rest of your mediocre resume…
Humility instead of Arrogance.
And I hope that “dick” you shat on is the suit who gets to decide whether or not to Greenlight your movie when you’re an old dried up hack and your last chance to be anything in this world depends on it.
Why give your script to a writer in the first place? Find a producer who’s willing to read it (or at least read the coverage) and try to get him/her interested. No writer can help you get it made, anyway.
I get asked to read stuff all the time. If I don’t wanna read something (which is most of the time) I say something really clever like, “Sorry…I’m swamped.” And that pretty much takes care of it. Whew…that was exhausting. I’m gonna go take a nap.
Thanks Josh. I’m sticking to acting. Could I read for your next movie? I could be prepared 10 years from now when you finally make you next movie.
I think we’re all taking this too seriously. Mr. Olson is ranting and is overly impressed with himself. Welcome to Hollywood. Anybody who has ever worked in Hollywood gets hit up to read stuff and 99% of everything is terrible. That’s just a fact of life.
The only dangerous thing in Mr. Olson’s essay is this closed loop piece of nonsense:
>It rarely takes more than a page to recognize that you’re
>in the presence of someone who can write, but it only
>takes a sentence to know you’re dealing with someone
>who can’t.
>(By the way, here’s a simple way to find out if you’re
>a writer. If you disagree with that statement, you’re
>not a writer. Because, you see, writers are also readers.)
That’s a nearly Freudian argument in its provincialism.
Mr. Olson could, by the way, simply have directed the aspiring writer to something like scriptshark.com, which is truly objective and has no personal relationship with a writer to cloud the issue.
To Pirate,
Hey, don’t worry about not seeing his movie… it won’t be HIS movie anyway. I’m told that his only real credit, the one he touts so loudly, well, the rumor has always been that the only thing from his original draft that remained in the film were the page numbers. I hear they even changed the font.
On The Border was very memorable. It is one of the best Casper Van Dien movies I have had the pleasure to watch on cable tv. The best part of this sad rant is that Josh equated his situation as an “artist” to that of Pablo Picasso. It just makes me grin from ear to ear to think about that analogy. Only a great writer of fiction could come up with that.
Josh I will not change your shitty diapers. Love, your mother.
A new comedy star is born. Love, your father
Being the litigious society that is Hollywood, I don’t read anyone’s story, draft, synopsis or outline. I may be a Dick and have probably been called an asshole now and then, but I’ve never been sued for “lifting” someone else’s idea.
Josh is making the mistake that many in Hollywood make – he believes his talent got him where he is today. The old story of the guy who woke up on second and thought he hit a double. ANY success in Hollywood is a combination of talent (maybe he has some, maybe not; no real clear indication yet) and luck (clearly he has that) chutzpa and self-involvement (yup, that, too, is evident.)AND someone (probably many people) took the time to read his fucking scripts and give him a leg up. Too bad he has no time to return the favor.
Yes, reading a stranger’s script is a favor. Telling him he has no talent is an even bigger favor.
Fanboys Take Heed: Josh wants you to follow his tweets, wait hours in line for his Comic-Con booth and shower him with praise and little chocolates kisses all over his imdb page about what a great WRITER he is.
What he doesn’t want you to realize is that you’re probably a much better writer then he is… you just have to get off your lazy ass and do something about it.
Why don’;t you just charge these “friends” a standard professional fee for reading their script/synopsis? That should make them think twice.
The worse is when a friend who you know has a crush on you ask you to read their stuff.
here’s what i say when people ask me to read their work or listen to an idea they have for a script:
“a few years ago i was accused of stealing an idea from a person whose script i had read as a favor… so i don’t do it anymore. sorry.”
WORKS EVERY TIME!
Josh I will not change your shitty diapers. Love, your mother.
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LOL!!
Back in the day I used to own a talent agency. I was a very busy person, too. But every week, on Wednesday from 2 to 4pm I saw anyone who wanted to meet with me for 10 minutes. They could do whatever they wanted, a monologue or just talk to me. It was a first-come- first-serve-appointment only thing. It gave me a way to help people who wanted to meet with me or ask my advice and it made me feel good.
It made me feel connected. Once I found an interesting guy for Milos Foreman in one of these meetings… but that was just a coincidence, I’m sure.
Hey, Mister Olson –
– does the name John Wagner mean anything to you? You know, the guy who ACTUALLY wrote “A History of Violence?” And that in an easy to adapt comic book format? The guy who actually CREATED the damn story?
If you actually created something ORIGINAL that was worthwhile, then you’d be allowed to call yourself a CREATOR, but what do you know?
You haven’t.
Q.E.D.
A few years ago, before he was a has-been, this clown asked me to read three of his scripts, plus his comic books. I was a reader for years, and can confirm that they were all below average. Junk, really. I tried to be generous about it.
This “editorial” (nice milking that Ortega connection, plus it reads like Ellison wrote it for him) is simply a desperate stunt, a childish plea for very undeserved attention.
He’s really not a nice guy, though, plus he owes me for at least ten dinners. I’m also considering billing him for the wasted hours.
23 years ago I met an old guy in a second hand bookshop. He was 80. I was very young. He’d written this thing called The Man From UNCLE, among other things. I bought him beer. He agreed to read my script if I kept on buying him beer, which I did for a year of Sundays sitting in the shade on his back porch. But he only read my script once – on the first Sunday. He read it ALOUD! At the end of the second page, I begged him to stop. There are many ways to give advice. Some of them subtle.
I’ve asked people to read my scripts. Usually right after they ask me to fix their fucking computer for free.
Grow up Josh. History of Violence was really overrated. I was literally shocked when I finally saw it on DVD. I thought it was a joke. All it needed was a b-movie car chase. I was like, “this is considered Oscar material?”
For all interns who spend weeks reading sh*t similar:
thank you.
thank you.
And as an editor:
NO. I WILL NOT TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR FUCKING SHORT!
This is the most retarded thing I have ever read. And the reason that EVERYONE who is complaining about people asking them to read scripts got into Hollywood in the first place is so that PEOPLE WOULD ASK THEM TO READ THEIR SCRIPTS and they would feel “cool” that someone was asking them to read a fucking script. Hollywood is filled with insecure people who need their mother’s brother’s son’s friend to ask them to read a script so they can feel fucking good about themselves.
I agree with the sentiment, but but completely disagree with people who think Josh’s article was brilliant or any comparable adjective.
Maybe studio execs should take old Josh’s advice and not read HIS fucking scripts! How would that be? What an egotistical jerk. If you noticed, he didn’t win that fucking Oscar either!
Josh Olson is getting some great publicity for this. He’s no dummy.
Josh, you’re right. You’re not a dick. You’re a slopbag of over inflated ego puss. Who gives a fuck if you’re going to be human and read someone else’s script. But while I’m at it… Why wouldn’t you? I mean you ask people to read your crap all the time right? Oh I know… But you’re a nominated writer so it’s ok. Newsflash assbite your writing still sucks and if you don’t know that, you’re not really a writer. The only real difference between you and the newbie you trashed is he’s actually a decent bloak. He wants to be a writer so he asked what he thought was a good writer for advice. Well you corrected him but good. Now he knows that most writers who are rammed down our throats as real talent are actually just ego-maniacal wind bags like you. Get a fucking clue douche, you owe newbies just like everyone of us on here who have had to fight our way up the ladder…dig deep, find the grace and pass on some good advice. And don’t whine and complain to the rest of us while you do. Good luck in production pergatory assbag.
Brilliant article!
Having been in similar suitations with wannabe authors asking me to read their unpublished novels, at first I tended to agree with Josh. But under due consideration, his essay falls apart. I dislike using the word, but his stance comes across as, well, cowardly.
Why not simply say, “Sorry. I’m too busy.” Of course, the tough part would be looking them in the face when you say it, but if your time is so valuable, why waste any?
A few words from a screenwriter I actually respect:
I will not read your fucking internet post.
That’s simple enough, isn’t it? “I will not read your fucking internet post.” What’s not clear about that? There’s nothing personal about it, nothing loaded, nothing complicated. I simply have no interest in reading your fucking uninformed opinion. None whatsoever.
If you’re interested in growing as a human being and recognizing that it is, in fact, you who are the dick in every situation, please read on.
Yes. That’s right. I called you a dick. Because you created this situation. You post endlessly on the internet, in every forum that will allow you, with your bleating pleading overwritten demands to be the bad guy. A “truth-teller”. A passionate artist. The best friend of the dickish Harlan Ellison. A self-described “top earner.” That, my friend, is the very definition of a dick.
It rarely takes more than a page to recognize that you’re in the presence of someone who can write, but it only takes a sentence to know you’re dealing with someone who can’t. You tripped over a correct thought but can’t tell the barrel of the gun from the grip.
(By the way, here’s a simple way to find out if you’re a dick. If you disagree with that statement, you’re a dick because everyone who reads your posts and also earns their living from writing, thinks you’re a dick.)
Which brings us to an ugly truth about many aspiring internet trolls: They think the democracy of the internet makes the loudest the smartest. The internet is widely regarded as the easiest way to break into the movie business, because it doesn’t require any kind of training, skill or equipment. Everybody can be right. But not everybody can write.
So. I log on to some board and I read your thing. And it hurt, man. It really hurt, bub. I mean it really really hurt, pal. A lot, chum. Because here’s the thing, mi compadre: you’re not a writer. You’re just a dick. On the internet. There’s a great story about Harlan Ellison. No wait, there really isn’t. Not one great story. Just a bunch of half-assed foaming ass-licking anecdotes about a sawed-of, feminized shrill little poseur that you tell over and over about yourself.
I will not read your fucking internet posts.
Josh Olson’s screenplay for the film A History of Violence was written by David Cronenberg. He is also the writer and director of the failed low budget Infested, which was made and forgotten a long time ago. Recently, he has sucked the tiny needle-like appendage that protrudes from Harlan Ellison’s taint, been dumped from Halo and cocked-up Dennis Lehane’s story “Until Gwen,” which he will never be allowed to direct. He is currently on the internet, lying about himself.
FUCK YOU for saying FUCK YOU before I had the chance to say FUCK YOU. Your piece is so damn accurate and far more entertaining than 999 out of 1000 scripts that I’ve had to read. Art Linson
Funny, I wonder how many people here who are so admiring of the screenplay of History of Violence have actually read the screenplay of History of Violence. How much of it was from the original graphic novel? How much of what ended up on screen had little or nothing to do with what Olson put on the page? Oh, don’t get me wrong, producing a decent to excellent adaptation of something isn’t easy. It just doesn’t mean you are a craftsman, you might just be a decent technician. Either every other brilliant thing Josh Olson has written has remained in a trunk or he is just a technician. Reading this essay makes it clear that he is just a technician and he knows it.
Oh, he has repetition down, and rhythm. But does this flow? Do you have to know how he handles his example? Do you feel the backlash? Oh, you get that it is lose, lose situation, but do you really care? Does this make the case for those who have never gone through it? He didn’t make his material work for this reader. The switchback from ‘dick’ to concerned person wanting to tell the truth didn’t succeed in making himself sympathetic. Essentially he used a traditional story telling structure coupled with a confrontational repeating statement to produce a boring account of an encounter he is apparently unable to handle in with any grace.
Let me put this in terms Mr. Olson will understand. “Don’t fucking tell me how difficult your life is. Everyone has some fucking thing that people ask them to do that annoys them. Find a gracious way to refuse and keep your whiny ‘but, I’m so special, I shouldn’t have to go through this’ dribble to yourself. Masturbatory justifications for your procrastination, lack of balls, and seeming inability to phrase a kindly criticism without pretend angst are just so much crap to the rest of us.”
Right on. Could also be titled for the music biz: “Why I Won’t Listen To Your Band’s Fucking Tape”. You could literally take out phrases in this essay and substitute phrases like “These songs are like my children” “This could totally be on the radio”and “Can you play it for your boss?”
Apparently Mr. Olsen, who can’t be bothered by “amateur” writers, has all the time in the world to post opinions on Nikki Finke’s site and to send bloated essays to the Voice. His essay, by the way, much like his ego, I’m sure, is too long. I’m surprised the Voice didn’t suggest shaving.
While THE HISTORY OF VIOLENCE had its moments, its ending was laughably amateurish, and violently disappointing. I remember having left that movie feeling cheated. I suppose Mr. Olsen did adapt it, so who knows his true opinion…but the movie was rife with slick, eighth-grade plot twists that stifled an otherwise wonderful opening conflict.
In other words, it wasn’t literary. And nor is Mr. Olsen. Hence his palpable angst.
Exhibit B, your honor. According to Studio System, here’s one the projects he’s chosen from the “piles” on his bed-stand: “ALONE: An agoraphobic high school student must leave her haunted home, or die.”
No comment.
Write novels, my man. Don’t worry, in that world, you’ll be BEGGGING friends to read your manuscript. Even when it gets published, you’ll be praying for readers, hiring a publicist to compensate for a publisher who’s more interested in Dan Brown. The world of story telling is shrinking. Art and Commerce are no longer in battle as Art has left the playing field a few years ago.
As for Hollywood, sure, amateur writers have egos. So do established men like yourself. But the wheel keeps spinning, dude, and someday you’ll sit in the quietude of obscurity and long for anyone — writer, agent, wife, mail man — with home to engage about writing.
I am not a writer. However I do read sometimes, and that was funny. That was very funny. By the way, can you paint my toenails? I only have 10, it won’t take you long; I promise.
So… I guess my “Infinite Jest”-sized novel then is out of the question?
I am not a famous anything, but I so love this!!
Good for Josh-”Get ‘em off you, baby!!”
Hack gets lucky with one project.
Hack gets big head.
Hack should remember he wrote and directed INFESTED, one of the worst movies of all time in 2002.
I liked it.
I think the main point is, read the fucking script if you know the person and you know they’ll take critiques. If they won’t, if you don’t know them and you think they can’t handle it, then don’t.
I’m a writer in the middle of the pack, not a neophyte and not seasoned. I’m festival award winning, have a manager, have companies reading, waiting for the first break. I’ve paid for script consults and I’ve taken my lumps in the learning process and I’m still learning. I’m already being asked to read for others who are neophytes and I do read. I think I always will, but I read for people I know, only.
I already understand where this rant is coming from and that is pretty sad when you think about it. However, I do think it needs to be tempered with some rational thought and professional attitude.
Is Josh afraid to waste his time on trash or is he more afraid that the next time he reads, he’ll read a script from someone far more talented than he?
The only difference between a wannabe and a professional is a deal.
To my knowledge, and I’ll check the medical literature on this, no one has emerged from the womb a born screenwriter.
The music industry has the same problem, yet established bands find and break new talent every year, creating a new revenue source for themselves at the same time.
In the time it took Josh Olsen to read the 215+ DHD comments about his essay, he could have knocked out that pile of other people’s words he was complaining about. But that’s our Josh.
It seems there is a massive shortage of razors in Hollywood.
With all the complaints about the lack of originality in stories and the horrific writing currently being produced in Hollywood, it seems the last thing a tier two screenwriter should be doing is admonishing aspiring writers. Granted, some people think any good “idea” can be easily formulated into a script however, there is certainly material out there that can be nurtured and developed. The fault with the aspiring screenwriter is giving their synopsis to an insecure dick who feels undoubtedly feels threatened. Josh and Diablo Cody should get together. Maybe Cody can let him polish her undeserved Oscar. Doubt we’ll be hearing much from her after Jennifer’s Body…
I can only ask that the same fucking courtesy be extended in the reality business, I will not listen to your FUCKING reality idea.
I think you’ve internalized the contempt the Hollywood execs have for writers. There’s a big difference between someone in another field, who has never written anything and a writer/director trying to break in to the business. No matter how talented you are, it’s very difficult. You’ve been lucky, you’ve had success. You should be kinder…
OK, so you’re a dick. You didn’t need to write an essay about it, you could have just asked around town.
Ah, false equivalency… the cornerstone of any good rant-writer.
Asking a professional writer to *read* your script is the same thing as asking someone to paint your house pro bono? No, it’s not. It’s the same thing as asking a painter you know to *look* at the paint job you did and tell you what he thinks. Would that be an awful, dickish thing to do? Probably not. Would the painter be obligated to give you an exhaustive recap of everything you did right or wrong? No, but you’d probably appreciate his letting you know if he thought you were on the right track, or completely off it.
Screenwriters can’t become successful without the help of other writers. No one sits in an empty room for six years and walks out with Chinatown under his or her arm. It’s a lonely and difficult pursuit and we all need each other to maintain hope, objectivity, and sanity. Sure, plenty of “writers” don’t know what the hell they’re doing. This is not new information. But a lot of unproduced writers are genuinely committed to their craft and just need some help or connections to get to the next level. Writing a rant like this is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
I’m pretty sure all of the angry replies to Josh’s column are from people who’ve don’t find themselves in this situation repeatedly during a week, or aren’t professional writers.
I’ve had the same request made to me by other upcoming/wannabe writers. Replying “Sure. I charge $20 per hour,” tends to put people off.
But I’m not a dick about it. I make sure I smile when I reply.
This is pretty typical of great successes in Hollywood: they have no idea how they got so lucky as to do what they do for a living, and so they presume it’s the result of hard work and unique genius, when if everyone who worked hard and had something original and worthwhile to say became a great success, the industry would collapse under the weight of all the cans of film queued up for distribution. Eventually this drives these great successes back to childhood, where they’re OWED everything they get, and have no use for the single most important thing we gain in adulthood: gratitude.
Maybe I just have good sense or something, but I have never, ever thought about trying to make a screenplay out of an idea by myself. I have always thought, “Oh I should find someone who knows something about screenwriting to work with.”
I still haven’t and probably the world is better that way.
Too bad, because on your way down you will undoubtedly meet the beneficiaries of your present scorn. I’m old enough to have seen this many times before. And your story is old enough to be a cliche which, I fondly hope, will have no second act.
Hmmm. Ok. How about this.
I will read your fucking script. I may not want to read your fucking script, but I will. I will read it because I am not an arrogant asshole who thinks he walks on fucking water. I also realize that in a business where relationships are important by reading your shitty script today it may just lead to me reading your amazing script in the future. I will read your script because Judd Apatow’s first big movie “Celtic Pride” was fucking pitiful but correct me if I’m wrong…he’s doing okay now. I will read your fucking script because I’m happy I work in a business that pays me a fortune to do something as easy as…well, reading a fucking script.
Still, I wonder if I could get him to read my motherfucking script?
So you spent a little time doing a favor for a friend and they didn’t like the answer. So what? This entitles you to dish them and every other wannabee writer in the press? I don’t think so. Given your need to do this, I also seriously doubt you were so tactful in your reply to this guy as you claim. Everyone has to start at the bottom, with skills to learn, including how to take criticism. Would it have killed you, who have much to be thankful for, to have a little generosity of spirit towards someone who had to hear some hard truth? You seriously need to get over yourself.
Even though I completely identify with the situation that Josh so eloquently describes in his open letter, that does not excuse him being a dick. It’s hard to tell someone that you will not read their screenplay, but it is easier than saying “yes” and then telling them the truth and making an enemy of sorts in the process, but there is a way of handling saying “no” without being a dick.
To Josh’s credit he is human enough to acknowledge that he is a dick and maybe now he’ll begin to work on being a better person.
Whether you like Josh’s work is not important. I totally agree with him. It takes time/effort to hone your writing skill. Alot of R&D, perserverance (if you’ve never done a rewrite, you would not know) ,vision and sleepless nights!
Why in the world would anyone want YOU to read their script? I just don’t get it. You certainly can’t write! This longest piece of blabbering I’ve ever seen. It sorely needs editing – like most of your pieces. Way way too self indulgent. Who has the time? Not me. Wow – more than 200 comments. Lots of folk unemployed in this town.
And never ever forget guys :
writing in any style whatever be your and yours purpose/goal, and there a lot of them, is a activity of Extremistan.
Skill and diligence are just basics but not enough to stand out of the crowd and …stay so.
Among many things [including charisma, VIP Friends & Relatives etc ], there are tons of luck along the way. Carve your own but up or down be ready to its’ whims or you will lose all your sanity, eventually in a way or another your life, cause few are chosen
There’s a lot of vitriol up in this comments kitchen.
Makes sense, really. Because people who read this site, we’re all interested in the same thing– Movies.
Olson’s article is funny, and harsh, perhaps a bit too harsh– but I think he was just trying to make a point, and not 100% serious about everything he says.
If you’re too busy to read someone’s script… you can just say so.
But…as a professional screenwriter myself… I feel really lucky, and blessed. Yeah, I’ve been writing most of my life, and I’m really serious about it… but I know how much luck and timing came into play. Anyone who can be paid real money to write movies is a lucky, lucky motherfucker. I hope I never forget this.
So I don’t elevate myself to some castle in the sky, where I’m suddenly untouchable, or owe nothing to the screenwriting gods.
I owe, baby. I know it. So I’ll read it when an acquaintance gives me something to read. It might take a couple months, but I’ll do it. It’s not THAT hard to find the time. And if it’s really terrible… ever heard of skimming?
Anyone lucky enough to be paid to write movies should count their blessings. I sure do.
Yeah, some people can’t write, and will never be able to write.
But then again… sometimes a movie is sold on the basis of a hook, a premise, and the overall quality/execution of the screenplay really doesn’t factor at all.
So, ultimately, I appreciate the humor and catharsis in Olson’s article. Is it douchy? Yeah, of course it is. But the extreme nature of the prose is what makes it funny.
Don’t take everything so seriously, folks.
It’s like he says… if you really are a writer, anything he says shouldn’t dissuade you or stop you from chasing that dream.
Live your own life, and don’t take a giant shit on Josh Olson and say his movie History of Violence sucked (it didn’t, not in the slightest) or that adapting a graphic novel is “coloring in the lines” (whoever said that clearly has no idea whatsoever how difficult adaptations are) just because you’re bitter and angry at his crazed-honesty.
Enjoy the weekend, and write something.
What people seem to be missing here is that he DID read this guy’s script. He DID give this guy a chance.
And the guy couldn’t take the constructive criticism he was given and instead shat all over the person who did him a favor.
Why on earth should he commit himself to spending time on people who don’t actually want what they’re asking him to give them?
Yeah, Bill has it right. Olson was fine with the reading of the script (well, not fine, but if you’ve ever had to read a friend’s script, or, even worse, a friend of a friend’s script, you know what a horrible experience it can be), it was that the guy couldn’t handle the criticism and then told mutual friends that Olson was a dick. If that happened to me, I’d swear off reading “friends of friends” scripts, too. Now, I don’t know that I’d actually write a giant blog post about it humiliating the guy… wait, no, I would. Because the writer deserved it in this case. Thanks, Olson, for writing about a widespread problem, and thanks, Bill, for pointing out that a majority of the people criticizing Olson completely missed the point of the article.
“that a majority of the people criticizing Olson completely missed the point of the article.”
Isn’t that the point of “writing”? If he can’t adequately explain his complaint, then why would you want him to read your stuff? When asked, I get out my red pencil and do the first two or three pages as any competent editor would. It takes less than three minutes, doesn’t touch anything but the “mechanics” of writing, (certainly not the story, itself) and ask for a later draft. It doesn’t get to the person their-self, merely the mechanicals that are required before anyone will take the time for a full read.
Have you heard of “Fuck You MONEY”? I thank Josh for introducing us to “Fuck You EGO”. We no longer have to be considerate to anyone who asks questions involving our area of expertise. He must feel liberated now. When I see my doctor pal at a party, I’ll understand when he tells me to fuck off when I ask him about chest pains.
The sad part is, that depending on Josh’s appetites he probably would read the script, and not tell the no writing motherfucker off. That’s if the person requesting the script read had a nice rack, an epic schlong, or a fat wallet.
To “Comment by gottacook — September 10, 2009 @ 10:10 pm” – if you aren’t in showbiz and never will be then don’t comment. This blog is for people in the biz — I won’t read your fucking comment if you aren’t.
Thank you, Josh. Based on the frothing comments section, it’s clear that a lot of people didn’t actually read what you wrote. Good writing is obvious from the first page. If it doesn’t grab you from the beginning every subsequent page is going to feel like that final wafer-thin sliver of meat going into Mr. Creosote’s mouth from Monty Python’s Meaning of Life.
I especially enjoy comments from people who hide behind anonymous screen names. Here’s something you’ll never hear: “The Oscar for best original screenplay goes to….H8URMOOVEEZ”.
First the guy didn’t ask you to write his fucking screenplay, simply read it because he respects your opinion. Try to learn a little humility in your unearned success.
I am a ten year professional in the film business as an agent manager and producer. I ‘d be a millionaire if I charged a nickel for every script I read as a favor. As it is, i’m a millionaire because of the handful of scripts I found in doing these favors. Karma works both ways. And no you are not on any of my writer lists Josh. Two words for you, ANGER MANAGEMENT!
He’s right. And he may or may not be a dick. And, some of his work might have sucked on the screen. But know more about what transpired before blaming it on him. There are an awful lot of rewrite guys in this town.
As a screenplay contest judge, I can attest that most wannabees have imagination and creativity, but nearly all lack the ability to develop their ideas into a coherent story worth filming. I’ve yet to come across a single script without a misspelling or punctuation error, not to mention mistakes in formatting. It’s hard to imagine that anyone who truly considered himself/herself to be a writer would submit a script in such shape.
That said, there’s no reason that Mr. Olson can’t politely refuse to read a script or synopsis.
I have a new theory of evolution and my husband has a new sci-fi fantasy novel. Does anyone want to read?
The only advice I would seek from Josh Olson would be in his REAL area of expertise… “How to get someone else to rewrite your script then tirelessly take all the credit for it and build a barely mediocre career that really only lives in internet posts”.
I totally agree.
And frankly, I won’t read Josh Olsen’s IP spec scripts and give him notes, either. Not even if he asks nicely.
Because I’ll only read a script by someone who will return the favor later, and who I trust can both give and take genuine constructive criticism. In other words: exchange critique with your actual peers, not people who you HOPE someday will be your peers. If you want more experienced input, then pay for a class with a real writing teacher.
Don’t ask Josh Olson. Check.
Every other producer/agent/manager in town?
I’m asking you to read my fucking script. Again, and again, and again, and again.
You know what? The hell with it. I’m going to ask Josh Olson anyway.
I think most of us who’ve been lucky in this business fall under the feeling guilty for not helping first timers since most of us got a shot that way, but I’ve learned the hard way that it’s okay to say ‘no’. I’ve had more craziness in this industry from trying to help out first timers than from making a film so thanks Nikki for posting this.
Hopefully first timers will read this and learn that if you do get help from someone who’s had some success don’t bite the hand that feeds you. Take the advise or review and work from that. Most of us don’t knock it out of the park with our first draft and many first timers think they’ve written is it…until usually a week or 2 later.
Never has a fluke Oscar nomination gone to somebody’s head more.
He doesn’t look that busy. (Except for a time in 2001. I can imagine how hard it was to nail “Puppy Love.”
Josh Olson Writer:
Until Gwen (2009) (announced) (screenplay)
Batman: Gotham Knight (2008) (V) (screenplay) (segment “Have I Got a Story For You”)
… aka Battoman – Gossamu Naito (Japan)
“Masters of Science Fiction” (1 episode, 2007)
– The Discarded (2007) TV episode (teleplay)
A History of Violence (2005) (screenplay)
… aka A History of Violence (Germany)
Infested (2002) (writer)
… aka Infested: Invasion of the Killer Bugs (USA: DVD box title)
Instinct to Kill (2001) (writer)
… aka The Perfect Husband (USA)
Puppy Love (2001) (writer)
A Moment of Silence (2000) (writer)
Hitman’s Run (1999) (uncredited)
On the Border (1998) (TV) (screenplay) (story)
Just as a quick note for everyone that says ‘Olsen hasn’t even worked since History of Violence’ — It’s well known in Hollywood that most successful, working screenwriters toil on rewrites and assignments that – most often – don’t get made or released. Olsen also has a bunch of unsold specs on his resume too. Hell, he did a draft of the ‘Halo’ movie for Peter Jackson. The dude’s busy. The dude’s rich.
You’re right. You are a dick.
I am very grateful to be a working writer, and like many working writers I know, I got my first break because an acquaintance was kind enough to read my script and put it in the hands of someone who could hire me. I always read and respond respectfully to other people’s work, no matter what critiques I have to offer, and I do it in as timely a manner as I can. Call it karmic payback or common decency or an appreciation of my own good fortune. And besides, it helps me keep perspective on how far I’ve come from the days when I was the one relying on the compassion and encouragement of others.
Is anyone picking up on the fact that he compared himself to Picasso? Talk about about “not having enough respect for the artist”!
Just for the record, when I was pregnant and spotting, I did call my friend the OBGYN, when my daughter turn up dyslexic, I called my friend who was a professional in the field, when I botched the painting job in my living room, I called my friend Jill who is a high-end painting professional, etc, etc, etc and I have helped several people myself for nuthn’, just cause they were my friends. That’s friendship. There couldn’t be a more incestuous, who-you-know community than Hollywood. So maybe this guy won’t read your fucking script, but someone sure as shit read his fucking script.
josh, i am facing the same situation with someone who continually asks my professional financial advice. At the end of the day, our professional skills are very valuable but will not be perceived that way unless we guard them mercilessly.
The folks who are angry about this article are the delusional people who come to Hollywood believing a complete stranger is going to make them rich and famous by “helping” them.
(Learn to read: this guy does READ his friends’ scripts. He does not want to read and critique complete stranger’s scripts for sport. Would you?)
It’s business boys and girls, and expecting others to carry your weight is delusional. You better bring something to the table, and it better be a whole lot of something. And then, even if you do, there are so many other aspects that create or eliminate your script’s value to the studios.
The story about Marylin Monroe being “discovered” in Schwab’s is a myth kids. It’s fodder for US magazine and ET and it’s made up by PR firms.
Here in the actual Hollywood you need to bring something besides the willingness to be rude enough to ask a complete stranger to donate 10 hours of time to your misguided ego.
Wake up.
Well, you’re right about the mythic “discovered at Schwab’s” bit — but you’re thinking of Lana Turner, not Marilyn.
I am cracking up at all the losers who are taking offense at Olsen’s article, because so many of them are so badly written, and they only serve to support Olsen’s point.
Did “Speed the Plow” create this thread, or did this thread create “Speed the Plow?”
Good for a laugh… and a textbook example of codependency (or at least an artist recovering from it)
While there are some valid points, and we’ve all gone through that, and I laughed, I can’t helpp feeling like Olson is a pretentious loser. Everyone needs their shot, advice and critique. To be cliche, if you can’t help others, you can’t help yourself. Maybe Olson needs help. I’d be happy to read his script.
If I take all the fucking out of the script, will you read it them?
As someone who’s dealing with my chiropractor’s wife at the moment (who’s doing the writing thing, because apparently the painting thing didn’t work out), I thank you, Josh, for letting your snarky id flow.
Dear Josh: I hope there’s enough left of you (after all the bashing you took for being honest) to CLONE YOU. Brilliant people are just that. Anyone knowing brilliant professionals should FEAR FOR THEIR VERY LIVES. Wheat from chaff … even an experienced writer should be wary of asking a) for a huge favor time-wise; and b) an honest assessment.
Your wannabe writer … male semi-friend of a (likely former) female friend) SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER. Anything written can be improved upon — but brilliance isn’t taught. After thirty seconds, you probably knew you were scanning a piece of crap. Not that crap can’t sell … he was just asking the wrong person to re-write his POS submission. He should have first presented his piece to an English literature professor — by the time THAT PROFESSIONAL got through with his critique, he’d be more interested in collecting social security.
In any event, he should have kept his mouth shut instead of castigating you for HIM being the “actual dick” IMO=O.
Brilliant! I remember being in writing classes where people who could barely read their own crap out loud thought that they were going to be writers. It’s painful to watch people who “need” to be something like a writer with the talent of a ditch digger. There’s places for people in the “industry” who have no talent, they’re called co-producers…
Sounds like Mr. Olson is hurt, and I can understand. I have lost friends over giving notes. People don’t like to hear the truth, especially when the truth stomps on their dreams/fantasies. But what is apparent here is Mr. Olson’s lack of self-respect and confidence. Instead of being an adult and standing by his actions, he has to use the bully pulpit to public attack this “friend” of his, who will clearly know it is him. Now that’s a dick move, Mr. Olson.
I am willing to bet that at some point you too approached a professional writer like yourself, looking for advice/help/comments. I bet you didn’t get it. And here you are, passing that hurt down to us. Next time, use the health plan and seek some counseling, because you are clearly surrounded by people who merely inflate your fragile ego instead of telling you the truth. And that truth? You deserve the success you have, and it’s okay to say no, and you need to show some gratitude now and then for the lucky break you got. By the way, if you had put as much passion into History of Violence as you did this article, I might not have turned it off.
Lastly, I just unfriended you.
I certainly can’t blame Olson for not wanting to look at (another) synopsis. I’m sure it’s an irritant to be constantly asked to “talk shop” when you are trying to enjoy a night out.
I disagree strongly with him, however, that writing a script requires the ability to write. At least judging from the absolute shit I’ve seen this summer (G.I. Joe was written by someone who knows how to write? You fucking kidding me?).
I really don’t understand why Josh is so bitter.
Perhaps it’s a lack of consistent success? History of Violence was a great movie and it’s nice to see a fellow Philly-boy get a screenwriting Oscar nod. Not many from our neck of the woods who can say that.
However, that WAS 4 years ago and Josh’s momentum has cooled considerably. Last I heard from him, he was doing panels on the CS Podcast and posting comments on Mazin’s site.
Perhaps THAT’S the source of his anger? Cause there really is no other excuse for such an embittered rant on an otherwise naive newbie.
Here’s a tip, Josh. Instead of doing Comic-Con Panels and getting Jeff Goldsmith to interview you everytime you wipe your ass sideways, how’s about LISTENING to all of the interviews posted on that podcast.
If you did, you’d realize that even the most successful, A-List screenwriters started out as hopeless amateurs, writing unreadably bad, poorly-formatted “scripts”, simply because they didn’t know any better, were painfully green, or were still honing their craft (or all of the above).
I know you think that your acclaim and success is retroactive, and that you’re a great screenwriter now because you’ve ALWAYS BEEN. But don’t forget that that there’s an Eric Roberts DTV floating around Netflix with YOUR NAME in the credits.
Just like Brian Helegland, who before “L.A. Confidential” and “Mystic River” wrote that cinematic gem “976-EVIL”.
One last note, and this is just pure common sense, even if the guy you’re so angrily making famous has no discernible writing talent or knack for the biz, that doesn’t mean he never will. Don’t forget that.
Perhaps you’re still riding your History of Violence wave and your phone’s still ringing, Josh. But that doesn’t mean it always will. One day, the calls will stop coming, and you’re gonna need someone to READ YOUR FUCKING SCRIPT.
Perhaps it will be him? The very guy you’re publicly dissing?
How’s that Karma gonna taste?
Hey Layne,
Re your Brian Helegland comment…
…I don’t think Brian would have obtained the gig writing Mystic River if he had said, “I’m not going to read Dennis Lehane’s fuckin’ novel.”
Dennis wrote the novels Mystic River, Gone Baby Gone, and Shutter Island. All three novels were “fuckin’” amazing.
Save your anger, your time and your energy. Josh Olson will not read your fucking comments.
Hey Josh,
Do you have time to read my fucking script? It’s about this jaded prick screenwriter/director whose career is on a steep decline and he stumbles across an absolute masterpiece story. After discovering the amazing writer he agrees to help shepherd the script through to production and the movie eventually wins a Golden Globe for Best Film. In the process he grows to understand the power of giving.
Real writers write novels.
Whether or not you liked or disliked HISTORY OF VIOLENCE there is one very simple truth to those that were involved with the film. Josh Olson wrote a mediocre script and David Cronenberg drastically re-wrote Josh’s script. The script that was shot is David Cronenberg’s.
One final comment having read all the personal attacks and defenses of this Josh guy including mine.
Who is bringing the popcorn to the (Blank Summit)?
Seriously.
First if you cannot spell, format, or write whatever it’s still a script. For those who pay to enter a contest, maybe next time they will spend their money on real coverage instead of a suckers dream that even Goober has a contest for you to enter.
Secondly if the audience pays 15 dollars for a ticket they don’t care if you used there instead of there. They don’t care if their were hand written notes, etc. The screenplay is a blueprint not a masterpiece carved by Goldman.
Third as for the agents, lawyers, contest readers etc, none of that matters if your “script” is never released as a movie or boycotted at any film festival. You just got paid an option fee which may never appear on Imdb.com
Fourth, let’s imagine that this friend that Josh just dished turns out to be the next Spielberg, Hanks or Will Smith. Will he?
A. Say fu to any newcomer?
B. Open up the latest film school?
C. Decide that being a billionaire is better than any little gold plated statute or embossed envelope with his name on it?
Long live Independent film that can be shown, read or otherwise observed by people who care about the writer/director.
Why do we care what Josh did?
Was it because he sold an article?
Said something most of Hollywood seems to agree with. We don’t want to read anything that doesn’t make us money?
Hollywood destroyed the writer, director and anything else about film a long time ago. It’s just about the money as evident by the conglomerates that own the studios and all of us leeches hoping to suck a few quarters from the beast.
If that was Josh’s intent, to get a clear suck, well as a leach, as we all are, he just sucked a little harder on a dead piece of ass that won’t make it to 3011 as a going concern.
Sure, Josh is like Picasso – SAM Picasso, that is!
(Addams Family, Season One, Episode 14 – written by Harry Winkler and Hannibal Coons)
http://www.tvrage.com/The_Addams_Family_1964/episodes/170814/01×14?epguides=1
Okay, if Olsen is such a dick for writing this, would everyone who believes that and has commented to that effect, please list their actual names and email addresses on their comments so the aspiring screenwriters on this string can send them their screenplays to read and evaluate. C’mon. Start reading. If you have time to read Nikki Finke and comment on other people’s writing, you certainly have time to read five or ten screenplays and then put in the time and brainpower to give notes. I’m sure these deeply-angry commenters with screenplays would be open to your criticism.
I’ve been a screenwriter for a long time, and every week my agent sends me a stack of books and articles to adapt (either from the agency or from producers who are hoping I’ll bite) and a raft of screenplays that need rewriting. It’s a high-class problem, I know, and I’m very fortunate, but it’s massively time-consuming. When your main job should be writing (and being a husband and parent), adding another piece of material to the pile is a bigger deal than it might seem. Also, it’s not just one script, this is a favor that is asked of me constantly. And you’re not just reading for fun, you’re working when you read someone else’s script. They’re almost all terrible, and the notes can be endless. And remember, notes don’t just happen, they require real work in order to be worthwhile and useful. That’s why people pay me to come in on rewrites. So, Olson is right when he says that the person asking me to read their screenplay as a favor is getting my professional services for free.
I try to read everyone who asks me (or asks my mother, father, sister, wife, friends to ask me) to read their screenplay. But I ALWAYS make them sign a release. I may be doing them the favor, but I have no doubt that somewhere down the line one of them will be back with some bullshit lawsuit saying I stole their brilliant concept of “Boy meets girl, boy loses girl, boy gets girl back” in my recent movie. I’m not losing my house to someone for doing them a favor five years ago.
NOTE: This is where all the commenters on this site will start to complain about all of their great ideas that were stolen by studios, producers, and asshole screenwriters.
Olson may have been too harsh in his screed, but everything he said rang true. It is work for free (ever say to your dentist or plumber “Hey, would you spend 3 hours working for me for no pay?) People don’t want honest notes. They do think you’re an asshole if you don’t read their script. You’re always in a tough position no matter what you do.
Let the angry responses begin.
I think this article says more about its author than about the writer he’s talking about. We’ve all been able to encounter and handle a situation like this. What do you do when someone asks you to read their synopsis? Offer some thoughts on making it better. Done. No additional responsibility necessary, really. Don’t even have to read the whole thing.
Much ado about nothing here Josh. PS. If you want me to read your script, I can offer some constructive criticism. Gladly.
Thomas
This article was pretty arrogant. I would guess because of the shitstorm it has created, Josh probably regrets having published it. Struggling screenwriters and professionals alike have to show their material to people… unless you’re a writer who lives in a Ted Kaczynski cabin who buries scripts once they are finished.
Josh: Maybe this was an article to write with a pseudonym.
I appreciate the problem but not the solution [as I type these words my every move is watched by a stack with two spec scripts, two self-published novels, two short films and three undistributed indie feature films -- all the work of friends of friends]. That stated, cynicism is a very dubious currency that can’t purchase anything except more cynicism. Even pros write crappy drafts and ask people to read them. It’s not the first draft that makes the pro, it’s the 20th.
I try to be kind but frank. I say that I’m happy to read their work but due to schedule constraints, I won’t be able to respond for 3 months. I ask them to contact me again with a reminder in 10 weeks. If they do and/or send a new draft, then I take the time to read it. Those that can’t wait are simply looking for validation. Those that wait and continue to rewrite in the interim learn valuable lessons about the process.
If Josh Olson didn’t have superior material to adapt, he’d still be scratching his ear and pondering the words “Fade In”. His “Original Screenplays” are horrible and sophomoric at best, and he seems to have only the slightest notion of how to construct a screenplay. At the Q & A session of “History Of Violence” at the WGA Theater years ago, he fumbled his way through question after question, and often appeared to be completely out of his depth. (Say what you will about Akiva Goldsman…the man’s a marvellous raconteur.)
Having said that, I totally understand and endorse Olson’s position above. It’s a pity he just has to be so pompous and Holier-Than-Thou about it…
Mr. Olson, I appreciate your point of view. You have every right to say, “Fuck off!” to aspiring writers.
I have the right, however, to not give a crap what you say and look at your article as an example of how NOT to behave to fledgling writers looking for constructive critique. I will find another writer who cares about cultivating aspiring writers and have them read my script.
The only part of the article that resonated with me was this:
“If someone can talk you out of being a writer, you’re not a writer.”
You haven’t talked me out of it, sorry. I hope you figure out the whole guilt-trip thing in the future — that seems to be a major stick in your craw. Yank it out and try to appreciate the fact that you’re in the small percentage of writers who parlayed their talent into a paycheck.
But, could you read my script? LOLZ
Jesus, 8movies, you can’t write worth a damn.
HEY, JOSH. YOUR COMIC BOOK ADAPTATION DOESN’T MAKE YOU A REAL WRITER, ANY MORE THAN SHITTING MAKES YOU REAL PERSON. I’VE NEVER SEEN ANYONE SELF-IMMOLATE BEFORE, BY IGNITING HIS OWN GAS.
I know why he won’t read your fucking script without reading a lick of this article. Because the man, whomever the MAN is in this circumstance, can’t make any fucking money on it, and that advice is given to anyone reading this article for no extra charge so never say that advice is never free.
Well, Nikki has almost 300 comments on this pathetic parable of an essay, so it seems the online PR/troll stunt has worked in Olson’s favor.
I think every commenter should re-comment:
“Nikki, I will not comment on future Josh Olson essays. Nor will I read them…”
Every comment is a vote of reader confidence, however negative.
This guy is just a douche. A two-page synopsis and he made such a gripe. Have the balls to say I’d rather not or give the guy some constructive criticism c’mon dude you’re not Spielberg or Peter Jackson. You are a nobody who was lucky that he worked with a great director on great source material.
I’m an aspiring screenwriter and I wouldn’t make the imposition but there’s still some accounting for humanity, right?
Just awesome! And so right on!
As a wannabe filmmaker/screenwriter, I would never ask anyone of any stature to read my script, for all the reasons Josh points in his piece. Seriously, go seek a professional reader (yes, there are some), pay him or her, and have your critique that way.
I once had a producing partner who wanted to have his horror script read by no one than Paul Schrader (Taxi Driver, Auto Focus), and he thought that because he had a casual acquaintance with Paul’s son, he would pass Paul’s son his script and have it ready by Mr. Schrader. Producing Partner sent his script and waited a couple of months to hear back, but no word. He then picks up the phone and calls Paul’s son and asks him if his father had read the script. And the response was: ‘Oh, yeah, he read it. He thought it was ok’
No other detail was offered as to what Mr Schrader thought about the specifics of the film. He just thought it was ‘ok’. On hearing this, I knew Schrader hadn’t read the thing… but my producing partner chose to delude himself that he had.
Consequently, he’s now my ex-producing-partner. And the script and film in question has never been produced.
To 8movies5plays:
You say “Hollywood destroyed the writer, director and anything else about film a long time ago.”
Just in the last few months, for me, UP, (500) DAYS OF SUMMER, and THE HURT LOCKER, among a few others, completely refute that statement. You’re bitter, angry, are so defensive that you feel it necessary to strut your bona fides in your posting name alone, and yeah, yeah, we get it, cinema died with THE LAST DETAIL.
You know what? If you really feel this way, then go find something else to do. And best of luck to you.
I receive 15 unsolicited submission per day. I was a judge for Scriptapalooza. The President asked me for my recommends. I had none. Not one was worthy. I now follow up with every unsolicited submission with one question: “Is this your masterpiece?” I have yet to get a yes and thus it cuts much of the crap material out quickly.
Thank you.
The morale of the story is “learn to direct” – start making you own short films and learn the craft. The best way to see your screenplay into being is to do more than just write it.
What a blowhard. Everyone gets bothered by randoms to read their scripts in this town. It’s the nature of the beast. If that’s his biggest problem in life he should take an enema and chill out. The one and only way to get a career in writing in this town is to get an agent or manager. The one and only way to get an agent or manager is to be referred in somehow. The one and only way to be referred in is to have someone READ your work. Preferably someone already in the business. Unless all you agents and managers (who are apparently besieged all hours of the day by roaming packs of writer wannabe zombies foaming at the mouth clutching their 300 page typo filled manifestos) have a different way of obtaining new clients. If the synopsis was terrible then give it a quick pass and tell him to keep working and wish him luck. What the writer does or does not do with that information is his deal. Quit acting like this dude owes you his first born because you read a TWO page synopsis. I guess Mr. Olson sprung from the womb with a Hollywood writing career already intact. Guess he never asked someone to read his work before his was this genius, almighty lord of a screenwriter. Epic fail.
Some of you actually read this? The whole thing?
I skimmed it. It seems to be the same verbal gag repeated 88 times in a row.
Comment by Jonathan — September 10, 2009 @ 5:56 pm Reply to this post
HAHAHA!
Get Orici & Kurtzman for the rewrite!
Are they available?
HAHAHAHA!
Josh,
You have written a true Bible for all applications:
Security-No, I will not let you in for free!
Front Desk-No, I will not give you a comp room!
Dentist-No, I will not look at your molars on the bus!
Doctors-No, I will not check the blisters on your penis in the Bagel Shop!
You get the point.
Eternal genious.
“Genious?” Yeah. billh might get Josh to proof his posts… maybe adapt them for the screen.
While I agree with everything Josh says, and I, too, try at all costs to not read people’s material, he is a total douche bag (I know him).
History of Violence is sooo overrated. Fact, I hated it.
And I remember talking to John once, and him telling me all the good things in the movie are his ideas that he insisted stay and which Cronenberg resisted.
LOL
OMG! Thanks. I that laugh.
From over here in the novel-writing section: Preach it, brother.
It seems there are a lot of god-awful movies for such seemingly casual candid manners.
This has to be reason no. 1, why I think Hollywood is nothing but a bunch of strokers.
Don’t read it, who the fuck cares. Don’t go on and on about it.
But I know this is wink to those in the know in the movie business.
But really who gives a shit.
Oh poor, poor you Josh Olson. My sympathies to you and your hardships.
Wow, people are seeing a lot more vitriol in this essay than there really is. If all you did was take out the word “fucking” and put a byline like Terry Rossio on these same words, you’d all be kissing his ass.
The secret to getting your script read? Act professionally among professionals. That’s it. One of the things that means is not asking people you don’t have a WORKING relationship with to read your script. Dead simple, but also takes far more effort than any of the whiners will ever put forth.
So… unknown writers who don’t have WORKING relationships with WORKING writers because they are not yet officially WORKING should just go fuck themselves, eh, Jim? Hell, many WORKING writers work alone and don’t have WORKING relationships with hacks. I guess they should fuck themselves as well?
Which means that in a generation, there won’t be any WORKING writers. But what the hell? Just because there are so many WORKING hacks calling themselves writers doesn’t keep Transformers 2 out of the multiplex.
But Jennifer’s Body proved it wasn’t Megan Fox that brought in the ‘tards. The general viewing public does prefer giant fucking robots to tits and ass. So, if you’re in it for the money, sending your shit to Olson is crazy. He’s too highbrow for today’s idiotic moviegoers. Send it to Orci and Kurtzman.
If you want to get laid tonight, don’t write poetry for the love of your life; peel off a couple Frankies for the local whore. She’ll suck your shallow schlong dry and you want have to actually…
…WRITE!
I hate replying to dumbness. I’m not bitter just better.
UP made money. It sucked more then just air.
The Last Detail was a great movie with Jack and crew. And Jack is still acting his ass off. Props to the late Gilda Radner.
I use the name 8movies 5 plays for a reason. First your best work may be your best or last work. Secondly if you write eight movies or five plays tis because one likes to write.
When my book comes out I might reveal who I really am.
Most likely not with all the haters, psychos and back stabbers in the woods.
If I’m bitter it’s because Hollywood has become so suck ass, so trite, demeaning etc etc that it’s original purpose is dead.
Hollywood doesn’t want your nickel they want your paycheck. Hollywood died a long time ago.
The glamor has been replaced by Stars showing up to sign autographs at roller rinks to promote a movie.
Directors and producers now run from state to state just to get a tax break. Dailies become news items with a toy doll and DVD to give a movie a boost in sales.
Read anything by Thomson to confirm that. Or read Bright Dreams, Bold Blvds.
http://www.amazon.com/David-Thomson/e/B000APTXPI/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_1
Hollywood is down to five majors owned by major conglomerates. Further as evidenced by the recent Marvel deal and DC realignment, they are desperate as hell.
No more comments for a few weeks. I have a book to edit. ouuuuuuuuuuuuuut
You’ve given me courage.
“I will not fix your fucking computer. I will not tweak your fucking internet connection. And no, I will not jazz up your fucking blog.”
And with that fucking attitude, missy, you won’t be going to fucking heaven.
LOL. It’s hilarious because it’s true. Don’t be rude enough to impose and make someone feel like they’re obligated to read it.
Also, make sure you know how to write properly before even considering going to a professional and DEMANDING that they read it and encourage you when you can’t even write. Shame on him and his girlfriend.
Hey, Josh, if you’re reading this?
At this point, if no one’s mentioned it and you’re still slogging through the comments your little essay has engendered (I read many, am amused, have given up)… may I suggest it’s actually okay to be a dick if that’s what you are? Or part of what you are? Part of what it takes to write what you write? It takes a lot to write good shit. Being the nicest fucking person on earth also takes a lot. I don’t think you have time to do both. I know I don’t.
So maybe don’t sweat it.
I’m a working screenwriter, I have a few credits, I get a lot of these requests. Not so many as our Oscar-nominated friend, Josh. But enough. I say no to most of them. Sometimes yes and it can be work.
But Jesus, have some humanity, Josh. This is the way this business works. It’s ridiculous to compare it to Dentists and Doctors and Pilots, etc… In those professions, you get your degree, go to work, on you go. No one’s ACTUALLY asking dentists for free exams. But in this profession, we ask for reads and give reads because we’re fellow writers and that’s how it goes and when the read is asked for from someone who’s not prepared, we politely tell them no, or if we want to engage a little more we tell them why we’re saying no at this stage.
I don’t believe that that people slathering the “I LOVED this! This TOTALLY HAPPENS TO ME!” really suffer as much as Josh does. After all, how many Oscar nominees are here? I think rather there’s a big flocking-over to line up with the mean kid with the not-quite-Oscar. Really?! Are you all so famous that this is totally your problem, too? Wow, are you as important as Josh, too? So lucky you all are.
Come on, try to stay human. Josh’s essay was mean and small and selfish. And it’s good that there’s 300+ comments here. Because it’s not about Josh’s thing any more, it’s about staying fresh and generous in our craft.
Josh, it will be interesting to watch the next months play out. I suspect nothing at all will happen. I think MAYBE you actually hurt your career today. I know I never want to work with you.
Okay, I will not ask you to read my f***ing script.in return do not ask me to pay to see your SHITTY movies. Fair enough?
“In return for you not asking me to read your fucking script, I will not ask you to wash my fucking car…”
You’re a class act, Josh.
Wow. This thread is chock full of angry, bitter, probably talentless clowns who are clearly having a hard time getting decent writers to read their script.
Get a life.
Olson won in writing. Suck it up.
Look, it’s one thing for a complete nube who happens to have a connection to push it before they’ve done their homework. It’s quite another for someone who’s written a few scripts, solicited paid feedback from analysts and/or free through writers’ groups, and worked to hone their craft, to approach someone of Josh’s caliber and ask not for a read, but if they have any advice on how to go about getting an agent or a manager, or what they think the next step might be.
Josh isn’t speaking to the relatively small number of real writers who are working their asses off to make it. He’s speaking to the amateur who doesn’t know character from caricature, who doesn’t appreciate the point Picasso was making with the napkin, who thinks they can simply shit on a page and glaze it like Dali and it’s fucking gold.
The Spanish have a great saying for people like the dolt who handed Josh those two pages of shit. Translated: To blow is not to be a glassmaker.
Chris Robinson of The Black Crowes refers to what he calls “success tax”. It means not worrying about the things that come with what you always wanted. You just pay the bill and move on.
Besides having major issues with his own success taxes, Olson displays an extraordinary lack of peace and compassion. I don’t know his story but it’s very easy to believe he hasn’t struggled much for the life he now perceives to be his personal right. My feeling is that we are all here out of love of an artform, and these notions of “professional” qualifications and “expertise” seem more terms of ego, rather than craft, experience and inspiration.
It’s very true that the average soliciting writer rarely creates much engaging material, but it is equally true that the average Oscar-nominated writer comes nowhere near the artistic heights scaled by many others before them. Paddy Chayefsky, Billy Wilder, Joseph Mankiewicz, Woody Allen and Preston Sturges are but a few that come to mind.
My point is that the energy put forth by those “professionals” in our “business” who lack empathy for those who are following their passions and talents, at whatever phase in that journey (and who happen to lack the personal risk and support the “professionals” have already been granted by other “professionals”) are merely suffocating the spirit of creative ambition and community that is so lacking in our culture.
Such a waste. And so angry. We’re not curing cancer, after all.
-Alexander Baack
Force Studios
A simple solution…tell the aspiring writer you will be happy to read his script after he reads “Marty” and gives you his thoughts on characterization, symbolism, subtext Etc. since there is so much everyone can learn from a master like Chayefsky. I mention that even as a professional I still read Chayefsky’s scripts to continue learning. This will deter most people and leave only people who are serious about craft.
The fact that he wrote this article makes Josh an asshole, not the fact that he didn’t want to read a newbie’s script. But he wants to be the asshole, he must crave it, or else he never would have published it. He got his wish…everyone now thinks he’s an asshole and if you don’t, you’re one too.
This is true of every profession.
Replace “I will not read your fucking script” with “I will not fix your fucking computer” for example, and it’s easy to see how everyone is suddenly a dick, according to the author.
he has a hundred great points, but the comparison of asking your painter friend to come and paint your house is a little different because this guy is asking josh to read his work. not write his work. the guy is a moron for not realizing the inconvenience that it places on a writer, but the rant does come off harsher than need be. but fuck it, he openly admits to being a dick so whatever.
i’m going to go beg my chef friend to cook for me.
So this uppity writer nerd gets his lady friend pissed off at him for bruising her boyfriend’s feelings thus crushing his chances of ever landing her after they break up feels the need to write this long blowhard half-assed analysis of his moral obligations.
did that work in high school? it sure ain’t playin’ here.
Nice insight, Mike. I think what Josh is really saying is, “if I can’t get fucking laid, why should I read your fucking script?”
Or maybe he just doesn’t have the social skills to politely beg off and has to spew his silly frustrations here.
Probably both.
So I’m guessing Josh is moving on from being a professional writer to being a professional dick.
Looks like he nailed it.
That was brilliant. I’m sorry Josh had to go through all of that for me to enjoy his retelling, but I did enjoy it very much. Thoughtful guy.
Didn’t Cronenberg actually rewrite most of the History of Violence screenplay?
I’m a novelist, and people I meet at conferences have no hesitation in asking if they can send me their 500 page manuscripts.
Now, at long last, I have my reply: “I will not read your fucking script.” The same rhythm as e.e. cummings’ “There is some shit I will not eat.”
I’ve spent 22 years working as a Film Editor in Hollywood. I have mentored many aspiring young Editors and have tried to help people achieve their goals. I do it because I am grateful to those who taught me my craft and want to pass that good will along. Assholes like Josh are only into helping themselves. Hollywood is full of them…and it’s a damn shame.
22 years in Hollywood and you still have a soul. You win.
The credits or writing success of the author of this article has nothing to do with his point which is well made. You aren’t owed someone’s attention and time, merely because you have access to them. Attorney’s charge for their time, and you can’t expect to have them give you free advice because you cornered them on an airplane for two hours. A fellow writer is NOT the way to get a job! Someone who has gotten paid for writing isn’t your hiring manager. Learn the business, learn the craft and be respectful. Anyone who thinks he’s a “dick” is because they have no respect for talent themselves and are bitter that the world has not coming rushing to their doorstep because they banged in a bunch of words into their computer.
The truth is, if you are lucky enough write for a living, a lot of people you know are going to be fascinated by the process. Some will be baffled. Others will think that if you can do it, so can they. They’ll have ideas. They’ll have outlines. They’ll have pages. They’ll have sons or daughters, colleagues or contacts. They might be your son or daughter, or your new wife’s brother, or your new business partner’s girlfriend. They’ll need favors. And if you write for a living, sometimes you might need a favor too.
So while it might be true that asking you to read their work puts you in an indelicate position, for you to explode with self-adoration, “I will not read your fucking script,” only shows me that you are a douche. Seriously, it takes a tremendous douche to write an article about how you won’t read my script when really what you’re saying is, “Holy shit! I made it!! You guys! LOOK!! I’m in the white hot center of the holy circle of maybe .05% of working writers who is successful enough to get asked to read shitty scripts all the time! And god it’s a bitch.”
And, while it’s true that bad writing is hard to read, we are talking about screenwriting, right? Not poetry or fiction, where the sentence and its rhythm and voice are king. This is screenwriting, where plot and idea are king. Nobody gives a shit if you unfold your third act with ephemeral metaphors that echo the way your character described her own life before stepping into the traffic of self-awareness you allow to be called the second act. If your script gets made, watch how happy the 2nd AD is to cross off each page and throw it away once it’s in the can. A script is a movie-delivery vehicle. That’s it. So get over it. Be a better human and read what you’re asked to. Maybe take a minute to suggest how to make it better. Then wish them good luck. That squishy feeling? It’s your heart thawing.
It takes longer to detail a car than it does to read a script.
As Aspiring Hollywood Screenwriter #40953, I expected that this would be another mean-spirited, elitist rant that read like a sophisticated “ha ha if you haven’t made it you SUCK!” To my surprise, this was a great read, and I couldn’t agree more with everything stated here.
With one sentence, I have proven to be a bad writer. Possibly.
The day writers start comparing themselves to Picasso is the day they stop being writers. Just because your fairly entertaining screenplays have been made and bought means you are both a decent writer and lucky, but by no means will we remember your name in hundreds of years…only if a used DVD store with one DVD left is preserved in the hardened lava of an active volcano will people ever speak your name again after your death.
The first sign of a screenwriter’s job insecurity is his arrogance…Being a long time Professional Scribe my own damn self… I understand his insatiable need to be taken seriously. Most young pups not long for the business think being an asshole gives folks the impression they are serious writers with straight out of Ivy League Street Creds Mommy Fuckas Talent!!!…Everyone wants to be the next Charlie Kaufman (whose film… “The Orchid Thief” is in my opinion an excellent muse on the “perils” of screenwriting.)
You crazy kids just leave Josh alone k!!!! Can’t you see he’s been given a day pass to the club and he’s furiously sucking up to get a sponsor! He aint got time for no bullshit yo! It could all be gone in a second!
Hell poor Josh sees the ghost of John Milius stark naked in front of his bed every night… ready to fuck his career in da ass.
So again PLEEEEEASE leave the poor dear alone for Gods Sake!!! He has a self imposed bit of talent and not a moment to spare!!!
Correction…Charlie Kaufman’s Movie about the anguish of screenwriting was titled “Adaptation” and is centered around the book “The Orchid Thief.”
So sorry… I’ve had a long day fixing and polishing up other “professional screenwriter’s” hack jobs…
Josh’s column did make me laugh. As a “new” writer, I’ve gotten a few “breaks” from HW insiders who DID read my scripts because they like how hard I work at improving my writing. AND I did take their brutally honest advice, even if it hurt.
Thanks to them, my skill level has gone way up and I’ve been told that.
I, in turn, have passed along things I’ve learned here in HW. Most of the writers that asked me to read their scripts have not appreciated the things I shared (and learned from).
That’s their choice, but I believe in creative competitiveness. We all help each other to be better…writers.
Thanks to all my mentors with 25 years or more in showbiz who have helped me be a better writer.
Beth
Well, he’s good writer… because this was very well written.
Splendid. And pretty funny, too.
Something tells me Josh Olson is reading the replies and laughing!
Life is a rollercoaster.
Have fun riding downward on the tracks of life, Josh.
Wow, what a self important douchebag. People have feelings, Josh. Maybe you once did. How hard is it to turn someone down politely? Go out and buy some manners if it’s too hard to acquire them yourself.
…and I will not spend $10.00 and 2 hours to see your fucking film.
The reason most people think it takes no talent to write screenplays is that most people watch most movies.
It seems that your probable skill in writing is moderated by your limited tact and diplomacy. But it was an entertaining rant that he gave you and excuse to write, so you could thank him for that. Maybe you could even write a whole screenplay about getting scripts from strangers.
You could have read a bit and said, “You are clearly passionate about this so I suggest that you keep at it. Or, if you are impatient, find an experienced writer to pair up with. I don’t think it’s ready yet for submission but these things sometimes take more time and work to get great. Good luck.”
Of course, being a dick is far more entertaining and diplomats are a drag to read. So maybe you should keep dicking it up. At least in print. In person, diplomacy is lovely.
The main reason people think anyone can be a screenwriter, break into the biz with a half page of confusing nonsense, and hit a massive jackpot by next Tuesday is that a great many movies and TV shows are incoherent crap. All his remarks about “structure” and “learning the craft” sound lofty, but it all falls to the ground when I pay ten smackers at the box office and sit down to another rambling string of idiotic clichés and clunking, childish concepts of powerful dialogue. Was “Transformers 2” a masterwork of decades of experience? Well, it certainly paid well, didn’t it? Do you think the writers of a Disney channel sitcom are masters of their craft? That’s the hack job most of those dreamy-eyed folks hope they can land: something stupid that’ll pay better than the pizza delivery gig (and they can say, “I’m in show-biz!” which is automatically synonymous with “success” in America). Seriously. It takes some whacked-out, selective perception to think that Tinseltown is a place that appreciates structure and craft.
i’m not sure which was more entertaining… the article or the comments that followed.
i can say this about that–the statement:
It rarely takes more than a page to recognize that you’re in the presence of someone who can write, but it only takes a sentence to know you’re dealing with someone who can’t. (god, i hope that code works! if not, perhaps mace can tell me where i went wrong. aha!)
as far feeling a film isn’t well written–how often does the director or producer or studio step in and change things? your vision as a writer and the aforementioned folk can be far different. you write, you hand it over, you hope for the best.
and hope can be a real bitch.
even if a director is using his own script, the other factions can step in and fuck things up.
well, my rant is done… and josh? could you return that script i handed you in the airport when we passed each other?
Didn’t Cronenberg actually rewrite the screenplay for A History of Violence?
I hope that Nikki opted to reprint this mean-spirited, ironic and ultimately fatuous masturbation because she read it as such rather than as her endorsement of his message (or his writing – a few paragraphs were much more than enough to pique my interest…in the comments).
Okay, I have to admit it. I’m more hung up about this dumb article than anyone should be and I should have, as much as I’m sure Josh has, just moved on.
I think when all the stuff about being nice to strangers et all has passed, I’m just amazed that Josh can, seemingly without blinking, wander down a path of reasoning that compares himself to Picasso. it just amazes me that he doesn’t follow the tried-and-true, totally standard, way of using such anecdotes. You use the anecdote, then you begin the next paragraph with a “Now I’m not claiming that what I do is as fine as Picasso…” or some such and then you’re golden.
But no. It just sits there. I wrote “Infested” and “Puppy Love.” I should be accredited the same level of awe as Picasso.
Okay. Josh, wherever you are, I hope you’re having a laugh at all the dweebs like myself who can’t quite get over this monster you’ve birthed. You’re right, at this point it’s really gone beyond you. So I will now let it go as well.
people don’t value what they don’t pay for, so, what about this response?
“you’ve come to the right guy because well i write and read scripts for a living — in fact i have 40 unread scripts sitting in my office right now. my hourly rate is $xxx per hour. get me your script and a check made out for the number of hours you’d like me to work and i’ll respond with a type-written list of notes. really, i’m so glad you asked — referrals like this are the life-blood of my business. i think we can really do some business here and i look forward to hearing from you.”
I think any aspiring writer should find a mentor. That is part of why higher education is important. You can learn a lot from a writing professor because their job is to do exactly what Josh should not be asked to do. A professor has the time to teach you how to write from the ground up.
I can sympathize with Josh Olson’s position — and much of what he says rings true from my own experience — but I feel his reaction is overly harsh and ultimately damaging to his own spirit if he indeed acts as inflexibly as he rants. People often ask me to read their new plays or screenplays and I treat each case individually. If I have the time and energy to read something when they ask, I do. If I’m backed up with deadlines and can’t get to their work in a timely manner, I tell them. If they don’t believe me or resent that and want to be angry with me, there’s nothing I can do about that and so I don’t worry about it. Olson’s issue seems to me to be that he wants to be seen as a good guy who is helpful to other writers, and feels betrayed when he tries to act that way and gets slammed for it. I agree, it’s unfair. But I don’t care about being seen as a good guy who makes an effort when possible to help other writers — I just want to be one.
The real question is: why would you give your script to another screenwriter? He’s not a studio exec so he can’t buy your script. He can steal your idea if it’s good. Screenwriters tend to be spiteful, so most likely he will tell you to go die and if your script sucks, which is probably does, he’ll tell you to go die of Cholera. I understand why Olson doesn’t want to read every amateur script, but his indignation only suggests that he feels guilty about his success. It’s okay, Josh.
In the time he took to write this extended piece he could have read two scripts and it certainly won’t stop people from asking them to read their scripts or even 10 pages.
What a dick. How long did it take you to write that essay? Longer than it would have taken you to read, oh, three friends scripts, 18 synopsiseseses and/or 25 “first ten pages” of new writers. Way to support the next generation. Asshole.
Nice point, Mark. I completely agree.
Mark, you’re a jealous, bitter, sad man. Who decides competency? You? Ha!
what an ass. writers help writers. he couldn’t be bothered with two pages? everyone starts somewhere. he can feel this way but then he feels it so intensely he needs to yell it from the top of the village voice proverbial rooftop? sounds like an asshole to me who’s deeply insecure.
get a life. you wrote HISTORY OF VIOLENCE – a hack job and totally derivative with a terrible third act.
i believe that someone who puts in a year and who’s really trying could be gently guided and not trashed and humiliated. if they suck, they’ll find out soon enough on their own.
Since this asshole played a key role on the committee that found Leno not guilty, can we have a redo? Or, just assume the committee blew it, and the dude is a scab?
Josh showed bad judgment in publishing this essay. It’s clear he craves being the bad guy. But he’s no writer. He’s an underweight professional wrestler, saying what he must to elicit a response.
History of Violence is not the worst script I’ve read, but it’s close.
The people complaining about the quality of Olson’s own scripts either are bitter failed writers themselves, or have never seen what passes for writing from untalented non-writers. The writing of the worst episode of the worst TV show is Shakespeare compared to what those non-writers produce. See The Eye of Argon for an example in a different genre.
I quote Robertson Davies (1913-1995) Canadian novelist, essayist, and playwright:
“If I had my way books would not be written in English, but in an exceedingly difficult secret language that only skilled professional readers and storytellers could interpret. Then people like you would have to go to public halls and pay good prices to hear the professionals decode and read the books aloud for you. This plan would have the advantage of scaring off all amateur authors, retired politicians, country doctors and I-Married-a-Midget writers who would not have the patience to learn the secret language.”
Agree with the content, disagree with the way it was said.
Josh makes valid points – if you met a lawyer at a party while ordering a drink, would you ask him to ‘do you a solid’ and write your contract for free? Probably not – that would be inappropriate. Same thing goes for writers – if you just met the person, asking him or her to read your script is just as bad.
But I get the whole catch-22, “to break in, you have to know someone, but how do you know someone unless you break in” thing. And yes, I know sometimes you have to fight your way through the door. And yes, young writers need free reads from experienced people to help them out. Everyone starts out that way. I don’t care if you’re Josh Olson or Jimmy Olsen. Sometimes, taking a chance is worth it. But those should be the exceptions, not the rule. One out of a thousand. Few and far between, not every time you meet a working writer. Would you ask for a free exam every time you met a doctor?
That being said, there are resources out there if you look – screenwriting groups, readers, seminars, contests, fellowships, etc. Even reputable people you can pay. If this is your profession, then invest in it – like a photographer invests in his gear or an actor invests in classes. Better yet, meet and make friends with others. Throw a rock and you’ll hit someone who works in the industry. Someone’s assistant, someone’s CE, a freelance reader, another writer who has more experience than you. Drinks, dinners, etc. I know a writer who just moved from Chicago less than 3 years ago – didn’t know anyone. He not only got himself into a fellowship program, but he’s met every exec at a studio and made friends with CEs at several, studio-based production companies. He can pick up the phone and call any one of us – and yes, we will read his script.
I’ve read scripts from young writers who’ve asked for notes through a social connection – usually from a friend or a friend of a friend or even a friend of the family. Usually, not a stranger who I met five minutes ago (again, see the doctor comment). If I take the script, I’ll be upfront and tell them I may get to this next week or next month. Gotta put work first. And generally speaking, they understand. I also ask, “You want me to go light or heavy on the critique?” And if they say “heavy”, then I’ll tell them I won’t hold back, but I’ll be honest.
99% of the time, everything’s fine. But there was an instance where a writer took a particular disliking to my notes – he started bad-mouthing me, personally. Real classy stuff. And it got back to me. But my friends know me – the people I do business with know me and the quality of my notes – and they know that I don’t give notes to be cruel or spiteful. So the whole thing just blew over. Didn’t lose any sleep or business. And I didn’t feel like a heel because I was trying to do this writer a favor, I put the time and effort into his notes and I was honest. Was I upset about the bad-mouthing or time lost when I could have been reading for work? Sure, it was irritating, but at the end of the day – who cares? Others helped me, so it’s worth that 1 jerk to help those trying to break in like I was trying, years ago. With so much to read, we can’t always say yes, or if we do, we can’t always get to the script by the following week or month, but we do what we can and accept what we have time for. By the way, one of those “charity cases” paid off – sold a spec to a studio and I’m proud of him.
Besides, if the script is really bad, notes are quick and easy – broad strokes, no specifics. Page notes are useless if it needs a structural or conceptual page one rewrite. Bad scripts generally have obvious and generic problems, so the notes usually sound like a screenwriting manual – make your character more active, get to the inciting incident quicker, give your villain a solid plan, etc. Once in awhile, I’ll get a script that’ll actually be decent – then the notes take longer, are more specific, but are fun to write…because I WANT it to get better.
And yes, I’ve read samples from Josh, but what I think of his writing or his movies is irrelevant. I care about the content of what he said and how he said it. I agree with the content, but the way in which it is said demeans others and shows little respect for ALL up-and-coming writers, a few of whom can write well. And the last thing I want to do is discourage or turn those writers away. God knows we ALL stand to benefit, as movie-makers and movie-goers, from a fresh crop of talented writers. So yeah, don’t ask a writer whom you just met to read your script. But DO keep writing and use all of LA’s resources to get that read. There are ways other than hitting up Josh at a local party.
this kind of thing comes with the territory (territory that tends to crumble beneath your feet now and then), so writing a piece like this comes across to me as whining from an injured ego. i am a professional writer with, frankly, more notable credits and when people ask me to read their stuff I look at it as an opportunity to help others like I was helped when I got started. that’s not to say i accept every time – if the person is rude I simply say “I’m sorry, I’m just too busy” which is never a lie. However, even though I am extremely busy, I do find time to read material from aspiring writers who come across as having the fire in their belly. Sometimes the approach is awkward, because there’s a lot at stake and they are nervous. Anyway, in regards to the subject of your memo, I think I would have said “sorry I’m just too busy right now” and wouldn’t have spent the time writing the memo. don’t you hate it when stars complain about photographers? be careful of what you ask for, I guess.
Something else here, that’s important, that’s been missed I think:
Josh’s entire rant has a cumulative and subtle inference to it: that Josh “made it” through his own efforts alone.
He cements this by comparing himself to doctors, lawyers… wherein personal determination alone at high levels of ability, can indeed get you a “degree.” Testing and hurdles are there all along the way for the individual to measure success. Not so, in professional screenwriting.
There are those in the industry, who once they “get in,” want to re-mythologize themselves, and proclaim in essence: I did it all, ALL BY MYSELF.
Not so: everyone “in” this industry was either born in – check your last name to see if it’s you – or helped “in” in some way, shape, or form.
Luck is a defining factor of EVERY success story. And the Josh’s of the world tend to list towards pride… at which point, they lash out at those who thirst after some luck, and remind them of their own.
Why would I want someone as lame as Josh Olson to read my screenplay?
What a nasty piece of talentless shit. I have gotten some amazing leads from spec scripts in my life as a talent exec. Of course some scripts are terrible. You are, however, a nasty excuse for a human being to write this because at the end of the day we are all reliant on writers and their work whether we credit them or not.
Josh is what’s wrong with the business. I work all the time as an actor-writer-producer. I have seen a hundred examples of someone gaining the smallest amount of success and/or notoriety and letting it go to their head. All of a sudden it’s “call my agent,” or “I can’t say that line,” or “I’m not fucking coming out of my trailer,” or “my words are too important for anyone to change,” or any number of bullshit, headcase, overblown reactions to the false perception of ones own importance. Josh old buddy suffers from same. It will end. He’ll wonder what happened. Josh…take a look in the mirror, man…it’s happening! Maybe you can still stop it.
I love reading scripts from up and coming writers. Some scripts are good, others suck. If the script is good, then I’ve discovered a new writer. If it’s bad, it’s like that show Mystery Science Theater 3000. But then again, I like watching bad movies. They’re entertaining in a strange way educational on what not to do. I tell writers straight up that if you want my opinion I will be brutally honest. I even make notes as I read them. And I don’t mince words because I don’t care what people think, nor am I responsible for how they may react. Most writers take my advance and thank me. Some I never hear from again. Good riddance. The bottom line is this, we as writers have all been in that place where we want someone to read our script. Some of us got lucky, others are still out there struggling. A good script doesn’t mean it will be a good movie. To that end, your script doesn’t have to be good to be made into a movie. It doesn’t even have to be mediocre. Look how many movies out there suck. As writers, producers, executives, directors, etc., it is incumbent upon all of us to find the writer. No matter how painful, it won’t kill you to read a script. Personally, I feel there are a lot of good writers out there who have yet to be discovered. We can’t afford to leave one stone unturned to find them. But to say you won’t read someone’s “fucking” script is just bad Karma. Plain and simple. Quite frankly, I thought “A History of Violence” was one of the dumbest movies I’ve ever seen. So there you go.
That this article is not only highly truthful and honest, but also has a mean attitude, shows that Josh Olson is actually a very talented writer as far as I can judge just from this article.
If it wasn’t for the bite of snarkiness and expletives, I wouldn’t have been caught early on and read through the whole thing.
Being truthful and honest alone isn’t marketable or even entertaining, it takes a style too. That seems like the main point of contention here, not whether Josh is wrong or right, but the attitude. I have to say, the attitude worked for me, but it’s a subjective thing.
Asking someone to read your work and give feedback is worse than asking a professional to do a professional job. This is asking a professional to look at your amateur work and tell you how to make it professional. That’s .. incredibly difficult, and if it’s taken them years to develop their talent, guess what, it’ll take you years too if you follow in their footsteps. They cannot help you in an hour or twelve hours.
If you really respect someone and the work they do, ask how they got so good, ask them what books informed their world view, if any of their instructors are still teaching, ask them about their method. Don’t ask them to look at your work. A writer is not a teacher, if you want a teacher go find a university or college that has a published author or script-writer as an instructor and pay for the privilege– just know that unless they’re also a good teacher, you’re not going to learn much.
I’m a famous, fabulously successful writer, myself. Name your favorite movie – well, I wrote that. Not to mention every other movie widely agreed upon as having genius writing in it. And while I am not breezily dictating (to my minxish secretary) my next surefire critical and commercial smash hit, I love reading scripts penned by aspirants. Why? Because I get to capriciously designate certain people as winners, getting them gigantic deals worth several lifetimes of fame and fortune, and other people losers, who will always work in the shadow of this great industry, always pining for the tiny scraps and slivers that us big folk carelessly toss away without a single thought. The exercise of such power, to make and ruin lives, completely devoid of logic – I must confess I find it somewhat erotic! By the way, when I said I “read” scripts I don’t really mean I actually read them… I am a busy man, after all.
Like the average Reader, I only got through the first third of much of the screed (look it up) that are claimed to be ‘responses’ to this article/op-ed before I scrolled to the bottom to comment again.
Most of those ‘writing’ their responses here, can’t. They are showing why many of them should stick to their day (or night) jobs, and stick to reading ‘graphic novels’ instead of (attempting) writing anything.
I gotta stop reading these comments. Waste of time.
God, this is a great article.
Funny rant, but it also seems incredibly immature. Mr. Olson ought to grow up.
Is it so hard to be gracious? Is it that taxing on your artisitic genious to be humble about your success?
Are you so lacking in an ability to come up with words that you couldn’t say something like, “Sorry, no, I don’t read scripts unless my agent sends them,” or something to that effect?
At some point, somebody read your fucking script, right?
Wow, one one level I can understand Josh, but like so many has already said – “how long can it take to read two pages”?
Next time just don’t pour more time into it than it deserves…and I hope there will be a next time because this was pretty dicky behaviour and he’s low on karma right now.
…and I don’t think it’s completely unfair to say that since Josh hasn’t worked on THAT much yet he’s not THAT big a writer and therefore he shouldn’t act like such a primadonna. I’d expect Spielberg to have enough on his plate if one asked him (…but somehow I’d also expect him to be much nicer about it).
No, even if that wannabe writer caught him on a bad day it’s still completely Josh’s own fault and there’s no one else to blame for this.
If anyone’s still readin this far down, I have a couple of observations and a comment. First, the observations:
The replies in this thread have been really interesting to read. It reminds me of what one person once posted online about Ask Culture versus Guess Culture.
“In some families, you grow up with the expectation that it’s OK to ask for anything at all, but you gotta realize you might get no for an answer. This is Ask Culture.
“In Guess Culture, you avoid putting a request into words unless you’re pretty sure the answer will be yes. Guess Culture depends on a tight net of shared expectations. A key skill is putting out delicate feelers. If you do this with enough subtlety, you won’t even have to make the request directly; you’ll get an offer. Even then, the offer may be genuine or pro forma; it takes yet more skill and delicacy to discern whether you should accept.”
“All kinds of problems spring up around the edges. If you’re a Guess Culture person (and Josh appears to be) then unwelcome requests from Ask Culture people seem presumptuous and out of line, and you’re likely to feel angry, uncomfortable, and manipulated.
“If you’re an Ask Culture person, Guess Culture behavior can seem incomprehensible, inconsistent, and rife with passive aggression.
“Thing is, Guess behaviors only work among a subset of other Guess people — ones who share a fairly specific set of expectations and signalling techniques. The farther you get from your own family and friends and subculture, the more you’ll have to embrace Ask behavior. Otherwise you’ll spend your life in a cloud of mild outrage at the Cluelessness of Everyone.”
As you read through the responses to this essay, you can easily see who the Guess and the Ask commenters are. It’s an interesting exercise.
I also find it interesting that people assume from the tone of the essay that “No, I will not read your fucking script” is precisely how Josh expressed his refusal in real life. If you actually read his essay, he makes it clear that’s not what he does. He’s just blowing off a little steam and frustration with this essay–he’s not going all Scott Rudin on aspiring writers all over town.
And my comment:
There’s an old saying: “You have to sort through a hell of a lot of gravel to get to that one diamond.” There are commenters who clearly believe that any diamond is worth finding no matter what, while other commentors love a quality diamond, but don’t want to be the ones to have to invest the blood/sweat/tears/hassle in finding one.
Seems to me that Josh belongs in the second category. That’s his choice, and while he expressed it rudely in the essay, he shouldn’t be pilloried for it. Lots of other people in his position make the same decision. Heck, I’d be willing to bet cash that several of the people commentors cited above as saying “yes, I will read your script” to them said “no, I won’t” to plenty of other writers.
Anyway, I enjoyed Josh’s essay and all of the comments. Gave me a lot to think about. Thanks, all!
Excellent article. It applies to every profession, and Human Nature in general. There’s a lot of Philosophy in what you write and you have given me some ammunition to deal with the dickheads who I waste too much time with.
Josh, you botched the job and now you’re angry at the ignorant pup to whom you bestowed your benevolent wisdom. It’s understandable. But, in truth, you’ve failed to accurately empathize. While you’ve spent hours rewriting notes for him, this was most likely more geared to benefiting your own ego. “Look at the detail I’m providing this guy! I’m incredibly helpful, and he’s lucky that I’m so generous!”
The best help you could have provided the person, your best use of time if this was your intent, would have been to better understand the individual in order to quickly determine the best communication for improving his work. If nothing else, he would have felt like he had a real connection and friendhsip with you and you with him.
He didn’t accept your input and he’s upset, and now you’re upset that he didn’t get it.
Next steps, rewrite those fucking notes in a way that he can hear your thoughts and you can both move forward. Sucks you’ve got to do more work, but you’ll be the better for it when you do. And, you will do it… Eventually.
Try not to be angry about it. We all had to start somewhere. You’ll get better with practice.
There is no charge for this information, though I could use a car wash…
Hubris!
A simple “I wish I could, but I don’t have time” would have sufficed.
Or even: “I can’t, for legal reasons, but good luck.”
Harlan Ellison’s Dramatic Reading of the Seussified “I Will Not Read Your Fucking Script”
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2009/09/harlan_ellisons.php
I love reading the responses to Josh’s piece because
most haven’t been proofed. Writers writing to
writers who don’t care. Boy does that not make
the point?
I have a friend who is probably one of the most
intelligent people I know. He’s an amazing
film editor and producer. The last few years
he has shifted his focus to screen writing. He is
taking classes, writing all the time, rewriting
all the time, entering writing contests. He is
walking the walk.
Whenever I think I have a GREAT idea and I
should start writing, I think of Kevin M.
and then I don’t because I know what it
takes and I am not ready or willing to do
it.
I feel your pain, Josh. May I offer a few helpful suggestions:
1) The statement “Sure, but just so you know, I charge $1000 to read people’s screenplays” is a faster, less abrasive conversation-ender than “I will not read your fucking screenplay.” On the off-chance some guy takes you up on the offer, not only will the taske feel less burdensome, but since he’s paying you, you’ll be obligated to shoot straight with him. The former statement is also a great way not to give people the mistaken impression that you’re a self-important cock.
2) In the photo above, it looks like you’re wearing a long tie with your tuxedo. Do not wear a long tie with your tuxedo. Actors do that because they are so pathologically attention-seeking that the thought of wearing a traditional tuxedo literally gives them cancer. James Bond would rather die than wear a long tie with a tuxedo, because James Bond is smarter than every actor. Wear a fucking bowtie.
Here’s my deal. I work in the film business. I’m a sound guy. I have a few decent credits. I’m often asked to lecture at colleges, high schools, help my fellow sound professionals find employent and quite often to critique other people’s work. Most of the time they want to hear how great it is and not the truth. Regardless, I try to take the time to help them. Not always, but I do from time to time. The reason is that along the way there have been people in my life who’ve extended a hand to me and shown me the way. At the risk of sounding like a lunatic liberal I feel that helping others is just the human thing do do. Yes, “helping” can cause grief and sometimes elicits anger from others but at the end of the day it beats being a hermit.
Welcome to the bigs, Chief. This happens to all pros, in all professions; writers, doctors, attorneys, plumbers, auto mechanics, et al.
And yes, we all feel the guilt…at first. Then the anger sets in (You’re there now).
Lastly, there’s the realization that saying “You don’t mind that I can’t do it, do you?” is the PROFESSIONAL thing to say. Spending all your time doing your job for free (with zero to show for it) is a great way to go broke and have a nervous breakdown.
You’re on the right track with the linear thought process. Here’s some unsolicited advice:
Quit crying about it and learn to say no in a professional way to people who are clearly swimming out of their own understanding of dangerous waters. Be an adult and quit being a pussy.
Hilarious rant. I think anyone who’s been writing for a good amount of time knows where Olson is coming from. You have to give him props for saying it out loud, considering there’s virtually no upside for him here – even if he didn’t get hit by trolls and haters, people born without a functioning sarcasm detector were bound to feel grudgy and get mean after they read it. It may not be in the best taste but honesty never goes over well with the taste crowd anyway. In the long run it may be beneficial to the artistic dialogue, after the emotions cool off.
The comments though – WOW. Best way to read them is to think of them as special index cards printed up for someone trying to tally the entire spectrum of bitchy human responses.
I started reading this and my brain glazed over.
Yeah…from time to time, I entertain the idea that I could write a great screenplay and book.
But, I’d have to move it past people like this guy.
Odds are pretty slim my screenplay would get any traction.
Oh well……..something else will come along…….
Number One unspoken Rule of Thumb: If it’s an “idea,” it’s not a script.
Number Two unspoken Rule of Thumb: If you don’t have at leat seven “finished” scripts, you’re still a wannabe scribe. Obviously, the Kid who gave Olson his “synopsis” thought great things would happen. With the obvious (oblivious?) problem with (apparetently) not following through on both Rules… But, hey! I’m a genius! Get Ready, Hollywood!
Not!
Oh, I had this problem when I was in college and all my friends thought I would move to Hollywood and become famous. No matter how much I insisted that was not what I wanted, they clung to that dream. One friend of mine had the audacity to tell me that a screenwriting class would be easy. I challenged him to write a script and sell it. He never took me up on it. Most people don’t have a clue how often crap like that happens, they think they’re the only ones asking. I’m not an asshole but I don’t have that much time!!!
My name is David Garrett. I am screenwriter. Unlike Josh Olson, I have not won an Academy Award®. I have not even been nominated. I have been nominated for several Razzie Awards®. I didn’t win, but Roger Ebert did put a film I co-wrote (“Deuce Bigalow: European Gigolo”) on his list of the most hated films of all time. A director named Ivan hired me to write a project for his company and had only one note: “There’s not one useable line in this script after ‘Fade In’”. One critic said there’s something he’d love to see me write—my own obituary.
Yes, it’s been a roller coaster ride for me in Hollywood. But always know this: I will read your fucking script. I will read that shit. I will read the fuck out of it. I will read the front, the back, and with apologies to Quentin Tarantino, the whole mutha-fuckin’ thang.
Why am I going to read your fucking script? Because somebody read my fucking script and sent it to someone they knew at the fucking production company who sent it to someone they knew at the fucking studio and they bought the fucking thing. If somebody hadn’t read my fucking script, I’d still be sitting in that fucking trailer park instead of making a fucking living as a fucking writer.
It was 1994. I had just moved to town. I working as an extra on a bad National Lampoon movie called “Last Resort”. I’m not even sure I was getting paid, but I just wanted to be on a movie set so bad, I didn’t give a shit. It was an all night shoot, and I was sitting next to an extremely tall dude named David Baxter. Because he was so tall, and I was short, the A.D. thought it would be a funny visual gag to sit us next to each other in the scene. Genius. Baxter and I struck up a conversation. Turns out Baxter was the director’s assistant. They couldn’t afford to pay any more extras, so he was filling in. Baxter asked me what I did in real life. I said, “I’m a writer”. He asked, “Have you written anything?” I said I had just finished a script with my friend Brian Sawyer called “Rubenesque” about a fat English lady who travels back in time to the year 1600 and becomes a supermodel. He said, “Sounds great. Can I read it?” Turns out Baxter was also interning at a production company that was looking for period comedies set in Europe. No joke. Baxter read the script that night and took it to his company the next day. They bought the script. It never got made, but I got paid and kept writing much to the audience’s chagrin. Thanks for reading my fucking script!
I spent that “Rubenesque” money real fast on a stripper girlfriend’s boob job and had to go back to work. This time as an attorney. Let me tell you this: I was a terrible fucking attorney. I was a worse lawyer than writer if you can fucking believe that. I mean, if you wanted to go jail real fast, all you had to do was hire me. If they gave Razzies® for being an incompetent public defender, I would have received multiple nominations. For the sake of my clients, I knew that I had to get somebody to read my next fucking script.
Then one day I was in an elevator in LA and saw a familiar face. It was the face of Dave Thomas. Not the guy from Wendy’s, but the guy from SCTV and “Strange Brew”. He was a childhood hero of mine. I was nervous, but I mustered up the courage to say that I was a big fan, and that I was a writer, too. He was gracious, gave me his card and said that if I had any ideas for game shows to send them over because ABC was looking for something. After lunch I sat down and came up with a 3-page treatment for a stupid game show and faxed it to him. He called a couple of hours later, saying that he loved the treatment and would send it to ABC. The next day ABC bought the show and greenlit a pilot. I quit my law job, and we went on to produce 100 episodes of the game show at another network. The show was so awful that the host Ray Combs killed himself rather than come back for a second season, but that got me into the WGA and got me an agent. I’m sorry that a man had to die for me to get a job, but on the other hand: thanks for reading my fucking script.
I rarely ask people to read my fucking scripts because I know what a pain in the ass it is, especially when they sometimes suck. But when I have asked people to read my fucking scripts, some people have said ‘yes’. This resulted in my getting jobs and making many good friends along the way. Of course, not everyone liked my fucking scripts or even offered to read them. In fact, most people who offered to read my fucking scripts didn’t even read them at all. I never faulted them for that. I just tried to appreciate that they were busy and would get to it eventually—even if that meant never.
Eventually I got a job as head writer on an animated kids’ show for Fox called “Da Mob” conceived by an eccentric Swedish artist named Magnus. They needed 26 half-hour scripts in 3 months. That’s a lot, especially when you’re doing everything through a translator and drunk off Swedish glug. A friend called me and said, “I met this kid named Gustin who’s new in town and he’s a writer, and long story short, can you read his fucking script?” My first inclination was to say “I’m up to balls in pickled herring and Hungarian animators, so there’s no way I will read his fucking script,” but then I remembered that the only reason I had a fucking job was that somebody read my fucking script somewhere along the way.
So I read his fucking script. And it was fucking good, so I had him write a bunch of the episodes for the animated show. He did a fantastic job and got his first credit. I was pleased to see that several years later Gustin Nash had written several great movies like “Charlie Bartlett” and “Youth in Revolt”. Wow, Gustin, I’m glad I read your fucking script. Your writing inspired me then and continues to inspire me. I hope that having someone read your fucking script along the way inspired you to keep at it. Maybe getting your good movie made kept me from getting a bad movie made so everyone’s a winner!
Yes, I know what you’re thinking: “Dude, we saw Corky Romano and kinda wish someone hadn’t read your fucking script.” Well, let me tell you this much: It’s a lot harder to write a fucking script than it is to watch a fucking movie. If you don’t believe me, give it a shot sugar-tits, and I’ll read your fucking script and let you know my thoughts. But realize that if you ask me to read your fucking script, you’ll be getting the opinion of the co-writer of the most hated movie of all time. How desperate are you? But I guess I’ll have to do, because we all know that Josh Olson is not going to read your fucking script. I can be found at davidgarrett.me.
Thanks for you post, Mr. Garrett. I can’t help but note a couple of things, though:
The incidents you tell us about mostly involve _someone else_ offering to read your fucking script, rather than you harrassing someone you barely know to read yours.
You also acknowledge, “I rarely ask people to read my fucking scripts because I know what a pain in the ass it is”.
The friend who introduced you to Gustin Nash–I have a feeling that because this friend knew how busy you were, he probably read Gustin’s script first to determine if it was worth being passed on to you. He acted as a filter, in other words, and as a result you got a pretty professional script delivered to you.
I think it’s great you make time to read others’ scripts. But given your post, I don’t think you were ever the kind of jackass writer that Josh Olsen is addressing his essay to.
I WILL read your fucking screenplay.
But, you’ll need to write me a check for $1,500 and make an appointment because this is what I’ve done for a living for the last 15 years, usually for paid, professional writers and production companies. Professional advice will cost you something, and you don’t want that price to be your best contact, or worse, a friendship.
The moral of Josh’s fairly valid rant is that you should hire me BEFORE you send your fucking screenplay to Josh. I mean, to Josh’s agent.
Find a remedy – let something good come out of this sea of black and white. We all need people to read our work, but we all get swamped by unfair demands. Find the solution, and quit ranting already. That said the best I can suggest is:
Erm….I’ve just deleted five attempts at a rational idea. Hmm…
“I will not read some douche bag’s blog”…
I would love to see the followup to this where he explains how he sold a screenplay if nobody was willing to read his fucking screenplay!
Thank you David Garrett.
Jill Soloway wrote the exact same essay, only funnier, in her book Tiny Ladies in Shiny Pants. Just sayin.
Also, Josh Olsen is way too grandiose about what people actually want from him. They don’t want your fucking notes, they want your fucking connections. So chill about all the precious insight you think you have to offer, and accept the fact that people just want you to give it to someone who could pay them for it or get it made.
And aspiring writer, the fact is, people only read and forward things out of self-interest, so if you want your work “discovered”, find someone who could benefit from it and get it in their hands. And that ain’t a fellow writer.
“What I was handed was, essentially, a barely coherent list of events, some connected, some not so much. Characters wander around aimlessly, do things for no reason, vanish, reappear, get arrested for unnamed crimes, and make wild, life-altering decisions for no reason.”
And I thought Robert Altman was dead.
I did not read your whole fucking article. You lost me at the fucking.
I couldn´t have said it bitter myself
Hey Josh,
Can you do me a favor? Ok… I have a screenplay for you to read… BWAHAHAHAHA!
Sorry, I had to do it. I understand your point, but sometimes I find people that are worth the time (not often, it is rare)…
You’re right, let’s not help anyone… because nobody ever helped you to get to where you are you fucking prick… BTW, how much time did you waste not reading work, or scripts from friends so you could publicly berate some guy that thought he was your friend?
Amen brother. Like hairstylists: when I used to work as one, in your off hours, everyone wanted a trim, or a perm, or a color, etc. on my time off.
This was a wonderfully written peace; I enjoyed reading his opinion and it made me smile. I’m not a writer my self so I didn’t feel Olson was speaking to me and there for could easily acknowledge that he was not the dick he was saying he came off as. He is very right in some ways, but in one way I can’t agree.
At the bottom of the peace he went on about the value of his professional work, added the interesting story about Picasso with his 30 second napkin sketch, and rattled on about how people don’t have enough respect for the artist to think about what they are asking for.
What he fails to understand is that the simple act of asking the professional for the service is a sign of respect all its own. The reason the would-be writer was asking Olson’s for his opinion in the first place is because he recognizes the talent that Olson has acquired and respects it. Just because the would-be writer untimely couldn’t handle the criticism once it was given doesn’t mean their was no respect involved.
As I said I am not a writer; I am an electrical engineer. Over the many years of my professional life I’ve learned the ins and outs of electronic devices and because of this fact I also get the occasional friend and acquaintance asking me for help with their electronic devices. More often than not I oblige and when they simply say “Thanks for your help” I am content. I don’t throw it in their face that they just got off with a cheep “thank you” when I could have levied a professionals stipend, and I don’t think they have disrespected me by not offering me more than that “thank you”. The respect came when they recognized that I know a whole lot more than they do on the subject and where willing to state they needed my help.
Always good to have a clear policy.
A good dose of reality for all those wannabies with delusions of adequacy. There’s a saying in Greece: If a violin was a penis, then everybody could play it!
Asking a professional writer to read your amateur script is a dead-end move.
How is anyone giving this guy props for writing this article? This guy is obviously a pompous asshole. He is what the astute would call a “try-hard dickhead”. He is a subpar screenwriter and has absolutely no class. This is the equivalent of actors demanding that the extras don’t look them in the eye when on set.
I will not watch your fucking movie.
Talk about self important. This guy needs a dose of reality, he is not a doctor, fireman, police officer, teacher. He is just a guy who got lucky. And being a good writer doesn’t make you an artist. Daniel Day Lewis is an artist. Johh Olsen is just some guy who takes himself too seriously. And most Hollywood mainstream scripts are absolute trash.
I don’t think there is a successful screenwriter in the business who isn’t there because someone with every reason not to… ponied up for the brownie points and read his/her script.
Josh’s best thing is an adaptation of someone else’s story… which makes me wonder not why Josh is posting such a silly rant, but why anyone would want Josh to read their work in the first place.
Writing is a fine and honorable profession which has been granted far less finery and honor than it warrants… especially in Hollywood. There are enough people shitting on writers without writers having to shit on each other. Yes, I know that part of Josh’s point is that most of the people asking for a read aren’t writers, but loons who pounded a keyboard for 120 pages worth of pretense… which sounds like everybody’s first screenplay.
I’m in Hollywood playing the game because the most successful screenwriter in the history of the medium read my work and recommended me to his manager. And, no, it wasn’t Josh fucking Olson.
Now that I am convinced what not to do, I have a question.
I am hearing how rare great writers are and I wouldn’t argue the point. I know one though, who produces stories and characters that live on long after I’ve finished reading. He writes volumes of pure gold and barely comes up for air.
His dream is to get published but forget self-promotion, he hasn’t got time between the stories he has to tell.
So, how does a prolific and rare talent like his advance his career without spending his free time networking and hoping for the big break?
I can’t stand people like this the same old Hollywood garbarge, who’s mother father, uncle, cousin , friend got you the break that got you into the industry Josh? And if you really got in on your own merits without knowing anyone well that is good for you. But the truth is that 90% of the people in Hollywood are there because they are a relative or a friend of someone who is already established and successful in the industry. Is that natural talent? Last time I checked it wasn’t. Look up your favorite actor you will find that they had a relative in the business that got them the audition. I see very few actors with any real grit or talent, and that is because the other untalented jerks are keeping it all for themselves by giving the same actors AND scriptwriters the same movies to do over and over again. I don’t think anyone in Hollywood has the right to criticize anyone when its so manufactured and fake these days. In fact I think 90% of what comes out of Hollywood today is pure garbage the scripts are the same old thing repeated a thousand times with the same old boring A-listers (half of which can’t even act, and if they could act at some point, they can’t anymore because they have become numb to the machine, they just keep replaying the same characters over and over again from they’re last 5 movies) playing the part. I see so many movies mis-casted that its incredible, and in the back of my mind I think to myself, if there were an actual person with that special talent that could make the movie incredible or come alive it won’t happen because Nicolas Cage keeps getting the leading role (and we all know how he became an actor) They don’t pick the person that can actually portray the character accurately with some depth, they pick the A-list so who is he to talk. In fact isn’t he doing someone else’s story? Who the hell is he? He needs to become humble again and realize he is not what he believes himself to be.
I mean can Ben Affleck or Jennifer Lopez really act I don’t know you tell me, why don’t watch some there movies and then get back to me on that.
I mean it isn’t even about artistic creation anymore its about money. How many F day after movies attacking LA and New York do we have to see? How many romantic stupid comedies with Kate Hudson (daughter of Goldie Hawn) do we need to see? How many F super hero movies do we need to see with the same old script they keep taking out of the drawer? I don’t see any original scriptwriting or REAL talent coming out of Hollywood at all. You see it on the Independent side of movie making.
I think Josh should be ashamed of that article and ashamed of what his business has become and take a long hard look in the mirror, and focus on making something original and well actually good. I mean really Wizard of OZ, Gotham night? Josh guess what these were some other TALENTED PERSONS IDEAS, and thank god they didn’t have to listen to you when they finished writing there stories!!
@Jennifer “who’s mother father, uncle, cousin , friend got you the break that got you into the industry Josh? And if you really got in on your own merits without knowing anyone well that is good for you.”
You can see how Olson got his “big break” by looking at his imdb entry.
22 years ago he was working in the art department on Masters of The Universe as what basically amounts to a paid pencil sharpener, while doing slightly more creative work on something called Ray’s Male Heterosexual Dance Hall and The Underachievers. 11 years later, he got a small writing gig on a tv show, doubtless because someone he had worked with in his various other shitty industry jobs needed a thing or liked a thing he did one time or just knew him and got him the shitty job because shitty jobs aren’t hard to give away to untested people.
For 4 years after that he wrote shitty movies. Not epics. Not opuses that he got lucky enough to write. Assignments. From people who almost certainly thought of him as “some guy I worked with, and he does the job and isn’t a pain in the ass.” He didn’t sell his dream screenplay, he took work because he wanted to work. He paid his dues and one day someone handed him a really good graphic novel for a treatment because he does the job and isn’t a pain in the ass, and that treatment turned out to be for Cronenberg who maybe just wanted someone to do the job who wasn’t a pain in the ass.
So, no. He’s no Gwyneth Paltrow. He’s where he is because he was willing and eager to WORK.
The secret, you see, is to want to work. Not to sell your screenplay. To work. To write the shit someone else asks you to. Tou want to make your special screenplay into a movie? Make the movie yourself. That’s what everybody else does. They work till they can finagle a way to make the movie, and then they make the movie. But until then they work.
Is it any surprise that someone who spent 22 years working for a chance at a decent living isn’t interested in having other people try to pester him into giving them for free what he spent those decades striving for? It’s obnoxious. It’s overly entitled, obnoxious nonsense, it’s a colossal waste of time, and anyone with the nerve to be so presumptious ought to be ashamed of himself.
I’m stunned by the people who say Olson’s not a real writer because he adapted A History of Violence, as if it takes no creativity to adapt a work to film.
You have to understand how to compress something from a different form into 1.5–2.0 hours, understand how to translate certain scenes that may be difficult or impossible to film into something that is possible to film, selectively choose the important parts of the plot and character development while throwing out the stuff that isn’t, know how much dialogue is too much dialogue for a scene, and etc. etc. That takes both creativity AND techincal skill, and everyone in Hollywood knows it.
For the sake of people coming late to this article, I’ll point out that Olsen is not alone in his opinion. Other writers (some in Hollywood, some not) feel the same way:
http://whatever.scalzi.com/2009/09/10/the-guys-saying-what-i-said-except-about-screenplays/
http://www.newsfromme.com/archives/2009_09_10.html#017696
Editor Teresa Nielsen Hayden offers a more courteous, funnier version of the same sentiment in below post:
http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/004641.html
No one is saying that adaptation is not a valuable talent. A woodchipper is a valuable tool. Cram an existing story through the Dramatica/woodchipper software or whatever and pull out a script. Wow. genius. Wonderful talent. I mean, hell, it isn’t like A HISTORY OF VIOLENCE wasn’t already a movie with dialogue and storyboards inherrent to the form. Adapting that to film is like adapting a box of Duncan Hines into a cake. What a feeling. It isn’t like it was goddamned WATCHMEN or something challenging.
What I am saying, rather clearly methinks, is that adapting another writer’s story to the medium is a LESSER talent than creating a new story. I am saying, rather clearly methinks, that if I want to improve as a creative screenwriter, I’m going to go to someone who has written specs successfully rather than a hack (yes I said it) who has turned around someone else’s story. That’s hackwork ladies and gentlemen. And yes, we should all be so lucky as to have the phone ring offering us such hackwork… but, unfortunately, Hollywood has to pigeonhole everything and everybody. If you write highbrow thoughtful stuff, the phone ain’t gonna ring when they need an adaptation of a comic book. “We need a script for TRANSFORMERS 3… someone get me John Irving or Alan Ball or Steve Kloves on the line.” Not gonna happen. Which is a pity because there are some wonderful comic books.
In Hollywood, the writer is a product and a product has to be put in a box and the product better be able to do what it says on the box and nothing else. Would you buy your kid the GI Joe with the Kung Fu grip that also pees, fucks Bratz with manbatter that can be cooked in an ezbake oven and then cites Shakespeare and multiplication flashcards? No one wants a writer that works across 4 genres. They want the product on the box. You don’t want to fit in a box? Then you don’t fit at all. Time to go back to Boise or whereever. Or write a novel.
But the real point here is that no working screenwriter has the time to read a ton of unsolicited scripts from strangers… and your lawyer will forbid it anyway… and yet, if no one broke that rule, there would be something like 20 writers in Hollywood.
Still, I do not want Josh Olson to read my fucking scripts. I don’t think he’d have anything positive to contribute because he isn’t a real writer. He’s a hack. No offense, hacking is hard work and I’d probably hack too for the money he makes. But who will be paying attention if he actually WRITES something? Not me; I don’t want to read HIS fucking scripts either. Truly, there are very few screenplays worth reading… rather like looking at a blueprint expecting to be entertained.
No one ever wrote a movie. Movies are shot. See the movie. Read the novel. And if you want someone to read your script… don’t send it to Josh Olson. Send it to a SCREENWRITER… you know… a guy/gal who MAKES UP STORIES. There’s like 20 of them in Hollywood. The rest are just regurgitating. Imagine getting paid the big bucks to vomit.
Whoa… is that Josh with his finger down his throat?
BRAVO! And might I add that the natural corollary to this are the acquaintances who offer to read your work for you, unbidden, and whose opinions you do not give two figs about.
I don’t know why I love this stuff but I do. Maybe its the drill instructor like quality of this type of advice. This is an in your face reminder that this is a tough business that requires both practice and talent.
I can identify with the unpracticed lad and even empathize with his instict to leap at the opportunity to have a successful writer look at his work. However, there was forshadowing all over this one that the young writer should have seen coming on page one.
I don’t understand why everyone thinks they can be a writer. Everyone thinks they can write a screenplay better than the one they just saw. But, if writing were a sport it seems that Hollywood would be the NFL. You don’t just get up off your couch or walk out of your job in sales and show up at training camp. It takes passion and years of practice, talent, perseverence and yes, some luck. Think of the minute percentage of highly talented college athletes who get picked up by the NFL, NBA and other major franchises. Its the same with writing for profit.
Are there those who are able to succeed by sheer luck or family connections? Are there some super talented folks who burst onto the scene from the Indy market? Yes, but those are such a small group that they are not worth mentioning. They are the lottery winners and I’m not talking about that tiny percentage. From everything I have seen, read and been told by insiders everyone else (the other 99.9% of us) has to practice and work and sweat to make it. Its a brutal business.
Who am I, after all, but a writer who has been in the minor leagues. I have written legislation, policy, training, press releases, business reports, communication plans, magazine articles, etc but have never taken a shot at the show until now. I’m in it to win and you can bet that I won’t be pulling any strings or using up any favors until my script has passed through the gauntlet.
…and I will not fix your fucking computer.
In “Adaptation,” Charlie Kaufman’s brother writes a script, gives it to Charlie, who gives to his agent, who sells it for high six figures.
It’s all Charlie’s fault. He made it look so easy.
Dear Josh Olson,
I will not read your fucking rant. That’s simple enough to understand, right? It’s nothing personal, I simply have no interest in reading your fucking rant. All day long I endure the rants of others, and yours is no different.
Your rant, like most people in your position, cannot contain anything of value. Your elevated sense of self-righteousness has caused you to feel burdened by the simple things that make us human.
At the end of the day, your rant has accomplished nothing. People will continue to ask you to read their scripts, and you will continue to be a dick. Others may read your rant and feel mildly tickled at your frankness. But me?
I will not read your fucking rant.
And yet, you did.
Of course I did.
History of violence was a boring movie.
Ya know, sometimes truth hurts and sometimes it is just easier to shy away from. Sounds like you’ve hit the truth of the matter with people who do not prepare for the long haul of getting properly trained in writing a screen play or script. Fuck em is what I say. If they did not take the time to hand you something that makes you want to go take a shit just for time alone to think about this magnificent bit of high ordered copy, then they are wasting time you will never get back and they are the robbers, not you.
So long story short, you did the right thing. BTW I have a script I want you to look at on the can…lol. Kidding.
some of us even don’t realize the importance of this information. What a pity.
Josh left out one dynamic to this story. The biggest reason he becomes the asshole. It’s because the “writer”, having imposed on this relationship unfairly, has probably already filled out a deposit slip for the million he most surely will be offered tomorrow.
While I agree with much of what Mr Olsen says (if he doesn’t want to read anyone’s script, he doesn’t have to), I cannot for the life of me fathom why he gets so uptight about all this, enough to write such a lengthy and venomous rant. Who cares what other people think of you. You say you barely know this guy. So who cares what he thinks of you. Are you so insecure that his opinion of you matters? Just shrug it off and get on with your life, man. Sometimes great things happen to you, other times bad things, other times awkward moments and so on. That’s life. Get over it and move on.
am i the only person who’s read this and realizes that this Olson guys clam to fame is “Adapting” a Graphic Novel to a screenplay?
go to your local books store, pick up a graphic novel take it home and read it. you’ll see it’s allot like translating more then actually writing. 99.999% of the work was done for him, he just reformatted it. a 12 year old with a basic understanding of english and a basic under of script formats could have done the very thing that inflated his ego.
honestly i’m not sure whats a bigger joke, that he was nominated for an award or that people would actually want him to read their script…
it’s like trusting Madoff with your money, after he gets out of jail or giving your car keys to known car theft…
i would think this would be the last guy on earth your want to read your script… assuming it was any good in the first place.
Hey, skot – go adapt, oh, Maus to film. Should be easy, right? Let us all know how many digits you reel in with that puppy, by the way.
These comments are funnier than Josh’s rant.
Half of you guys should write.
I’m glad I’m a novelist and don’t have to worry about stuff like this!